Ranking Every Legendary Shotgun in Destiny 2 for Endgame PvE

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This was highly requested by a lot of you so I thought I'd do some longer form (haha) content analyzing weapon options for endgame PvE. Enjoy!
Tier list: tiermaker.com/list/destiny-2/...
Scoring sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
DPS spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:22 Factors
05:00 Non-Factors
13:50 A Sudden Death
14:35 Astral Horizon
15:52 Basso Ostinato
16:38 Blasphemer
17:18 Bonechiller
17:48 Compass Rose
18:48 Dead Weight
20:47 Deadpan Delivery
21:49 Felwinter's Lie
22:56 First In, Last Out
24:14 Fortissimo-11
25:20 Found Verdict
26:26 Fractethyst
27:38 Gunnora's Axe
28:41 Hand in Hand
29:40 Heritage
31:48 IKELOS_SG_V1.0.3
33:15 Imperial Decree
34:31 Last Man Standing
35:40 Matador 64
36:26 Mindbender's Ambition
37:14 Nessa's Oblation
38:41 No Reprieve
39:54 One Small Step
41:02 Prophet of Doom
41:40 Ragnhild-D
42:44 Reckless Endangerment
43:20 Retold Tale
44:16 Retrofuturist
45:04 Riiswalker
46:11 Seventh Seraph CQC-12
47:30 Sojourner's Tale
48:45 Swordbreaker
50:31 The Comedian
51:45 The Deicide
52:42 The Inquisitor
53:44 Toil and Trouble
54:27 Until Its Return
55:35 Wishbringer
56:32 Wastelander M5
57:40 Without Remorse
58:43 Xenoclast IV
59:49 Final List
01:01:57 Outro

Пікірлер: 501

@watdakwan 9 ай бұрын

Who watches a 1-hour long video about guns? Boring

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

So true Water Duck One (he is joking guys)

@realjevans 9 ай бұрын

so real!

@ServusVelux 9 ай бұрын

Pin of shame lmao

@Nick-oo5bf 9 ай бұрын

Bro gtfo of here lmao

@RamiRatedR 9 ай бұрын

Pinned 😂

@itsRela 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for respecting your viewers time by opening with the best shotgun in the game: The Ammit AR2

@N.O.A_YT 9 ай бұрын

Maximizing speed, efficiency and POWERRRRR at best

@Telesto_Timelost 9 ай бұрын

Nah herison on top

@Zero-rj6re 6 ай бұрын

Low-key Stats for all and incandescent on Ammit is pretty good since incandescent procs stats for all. Though I know people run Envious and incandescent .

@fartmicrowave 9 ай бұрын

Aegis dropped a vid finally i can form my opinion on PVE shottys

@MrJonathan107 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely love the quality of content you put out, how concise you are about why an option is good, and the depth of your dps spreadsheet resource is unrivaled. Your work is greatly appreciated, and your love for the game is seen. Aegis, YOU are the GOAT.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words :)

@talialevi2723 9 ай бұрын

One thing is for sure: my favorite shotgun of this past weekend was Ammit AR2

@comiccraze927 9 ай бұрын

For real

@fartmicrowave 9 ай бұрын

Why haven't you blown up yet, you're consistently putting out incredibly valuable information and the community is missing out big time

@N.O.A_YT 9 ай бұрын

Cuz its rough out here if u didn't start posting a long time ago. Let's call it what it is, the bigger content creators all suppress the smaller creators by reposting their video subject matter and sucking up All the Algorithm. It's the sad truth but hey people who truly understand how this game works appreciate these kinds if videos.

@lgtokyo2665 9 ай бұрын

Because an hour long video, no one watches on guns mate. Thats why. KZfaq algorithm isnt suited for this.

@sloan621 9 ай бұрын

Most players arent that invested in the game to care about optimal dps and runs.

@N.O.A_YT 9 ай бұрын

@@lgtokyo2665 not all his videos are an hr long. His higher views are all from the glitched videos which the reason why it's so high is because of all the hype and the time on which he uploaded them.

@life-destiny1196 9 ай бұрын

@@lgtokyo2665 KZfaq algo is a little more complicated than that, plenty of channels out there put out like an hour long video once every few months and get like eight-digit views on them. I'd argue it has more to do with the D2 niche specifically, we don't actually want to be good at the game as a whole we just wanna be mad

@AsianSadge 9 ай бұрын

Aegis hates on slug shotguns for an hour

@jaydenp5255 9 ай бұрын

Love ur breakdowns, videos have such a great energy to them while also being so informative.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Appreciate it :)

@darkstarastel 9 ай бұрын

always love how informative your videos are, you've been a big help keep up the great work :)

@paul2725 9 ай бұрын

seeing the footage of double eager edge makes me already nostalgic about it, it was so much fun :D

@Ink_deep 9 ай бұрын

"I don't have subjective feelings about weapons" Aegis is a warmind, confirmed.

@EnKayNem 9 ай бұрын

beautifully constructed as usual, well done

@jareit 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for saying praise to Dead Weight, i’ve been trying to tell my buddies for months about how good the shotgun is, it’s my go to legendary shotty

@basedcringe9000 9 ай бұрын

I used Dead Weight so much when i was farming Kalli as the Anarchy dude. Glad to see it getting the recognition. ALH/Frenzy with 8 in the mag was awesome.

@qn9009 9 ай бұрын

bout to put this on repeat as i sleep, wake up and immediately be able to execute perfect shotgun dps rotations

@marentes310 9 ай бұрын

I’ve been experimenting with shotguns lately and man I got a deadweight with GraveR/lead4Gold+Trench/1&2Punch and man that is my go-to shotgun rn. I also got a Basso with the same rolls so I’m set for both subclasses. So I was curious as to how good they actually were but it’s rare to see PvE shotgun stuff. It’s dope that you made this video and the placement of the guns seemed pretty good overall. Great video.

@360spitz4 9 ай бұрын

amazing vid thx for all tge great info

@lemonodeski5154 9 ай бұрын

One full hour of Aegis, sometimes life is beautiful. 😌

@donkulator 9 ай бұрын

Very insightful! looking forward to a fusion rifle version of this, if you plan to make one :)

@Rylus_Green 9 ай бұрын

fun vid im ready to see the other weapon types

@josephpugh1331 9 ай бұрын

You just earned a sub :)

@zKinoshy 9 ай бұрын

Great video my man Aegis. Really appreciate the details in every choice of placement

@shacofromarcane 9 ай бұрын

Aegis is really the duct tape of the Destiny community. Great Work keep it up!

@0x1F600 9 ай бұрын

crazy how i could watch and enjoy this for a solid hour whilst i cant pay attention to my lectures for more than 5 minutes

@augustcross2305 9 ай бұрын

Had to come back and say thank you for sharing your PvE knowledge. As a mid level player, I'm not going to be using this knowledge in the same high-skill contexts that you do. But even if I were to never learn an optimal DPS strategy, this video got me to put away my Lightweights for a second and find a new love in Trench Barrel Imperial Decree. Simiarly, I'm excited to try out Overflow & Cascade Point on Until Its Return, when I previously wouldn't have touched Rapid Fires at all. (I thought the archetype was bad, lol!) Thank you for making such cool content. I'm happy that it seems to have brought you KZfaq attention.

@zacharymudd4897 8 ай бұрын

Absolutely been loving all the videos/content! Don't mind me, just posting to help engagement metrics n such Much love, battle strongly

@Wofulrumble4893 9 ай бұрын

When I was doing master caital farming with rockets I was the gjallahorn user so after some runs I settled on Until It's Return as being the best choice since we could 1 phase from time to time. I love that shotgun

@DefinitelyNotLars 9 ай бұрын

If this channel is this kind of content, the sub was worth it

@twilightgoose3773 9 ай бұрын

the fucking dedication that you have is insane man thank you for all your tier lists

@janjankovicjahoda 9 ай бұрын

What is the sniper he's using in the nightfall footage?

@GhostCakes23 9 ай бұрын

Cracked video man, you've been consistently putting out great stuff! I saw that you ranked snipes and fusions in the spreadsheet as well, do you plan on having a video for those to talk over your thoughts?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Yeah sniper is coming out today

@nmh2105 9 ай бұрын

Love these vids. Can you explain your change in preference from lightweights swapping to aggressive swapping? Think you had a video about using lightweights so just wanted to know what changed.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

123 swapping bypasses the slow fire rate, which was a limitation on aggressives before if you did 1212 swapping, I'm a lot happier with aggressives if you 123 swap instead, which was something I was less convinced of at the time

@RottinPotato 9 ай бұрын

I don't wanna live in a world where Heritage is A and Nessa is C

@zonecrimzon1222 9 ай бұрын

Heritage is factually better doe

@bonjouritsready 9 ай бұрын

@@zonecrimzon1222exactly, Heritage should be S and Nessas needs to be A

@blue4flame 9 ай бұрын

great video orher than one thing i think would elevate it to the next level and that is showing the perkpool for every shotgun you are talking about. so going to d2 foundry's page for the shotty and then going back to the tierlist to rate it. would make it easier to comprehend imo

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

I'll do that for the next one honestly I was going to but kinda decided against it

@smoxch5444 9 ай бұрын

Another great vid. Not sure if I missed it but could you clarify which archetypes are best for - Pellet swapping (aggressive?) 1-2 punch Trench barrel Thanks

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

123 aggressives > 1212 lightweights Rapids or lightweights Aggressives only

@paul2725 9 ай бұрын

an one hour aegis video christmas came early 🙌

@thegymteachersgrandma 9 ай бұрын

my man just dropped an hour long video about shotguns and im here for it

@jakestewart9428 9 ай бұрын

great vid! would it be possible to find the sheet you showed at the end of the video with the data for the shotguns?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Description

@xXDB4DXxGamer 9 ай бұрын

Your videos have helped me go from mid low tier damage to mid high tier and sometimes top if I could ever get the izzy swap right consistently😂 console plebs for the win! Fr tho, thank you for all the info and explanations, must watch every time

@GrandmaDestiny 9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@IsaacSurf735 9 ай бұрын

I don't suppose you could give best rolls of the S and A tiers of each special weapon type, I feel like that would be super interesting. and also useful knowledge. Great video all the same, very insightful and not overwhelming which is always nice, especially for a longer video. Thank You!!!

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

There's some roll info in my DPS sheet as well as the scoring sheet in the description

@Klipik12 9 ай бұрын

I know it'd be a ton more work but I'd like to see separate tierlists for swapping, solo DPS, and utility

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

I mean that information can kinda be extrapolated based on my explanations but I get what you mean

@d2cbro 9 ай бұрын

Crafted Heritage with Aggressive frame is pretty hot right now.

@odinsonjr0240 9 ай бұрын

This video came at a convenient time as I now need an arc 12p shotgun to pair with the Song of IrYut (previously was using basso and commemoration) It’ll go great with the banner of war build. I was worried because the best in slot shotgun was from gambit (I refuse to play it) but seeing xenoclast is also worth it is nice

@luizaugusto-gk5gi 6 ай бұрын

Hey man, what is the build you use at the beggining to shoot out so many projectiles with all your weapons? I'm kind of new to the game and got really interested by it. Also your guides helped me a lot on guiding my objectives going foward in the game, keep up the great work!

@TheAegisRelic 6 ай бұрын

This was during the Craftening bug haha

@kalidhos1752 9 ай бұрын

Great video!!! Wondering, what's your go-to pair of shottys for boss swap dps? Also, if you add in exotic shotguns like conditional finality with it's almost 100 handling and extra damage with shatter and ignite, would you consider using it for boss swaps too? second shot is solar so it can go along Apex I guess!

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Conditional has a 2 mag and no ALH but does decent damage, I'd prefer Ragnhild + Mindbender's/Comedian or Riiswalker + Without Remorse/CQC

@kalidhos1752 9 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic thx a lot!!!

@jupiterbupiter 9 ай бұрын

Babe wake up, Aegis posted another video that I was wondering about recently (I'm sorry that I'm late, king o7)

@Sellollo 9 ай бұрын

Maybe you already answered this question (if yes I'm sorry 😅) but for dps I'm most of the time the one who plays tractor and if you play tractor and wanna play slug swapping, isn't nessa the way to go? Because of its void affinity. Or is there a better one?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

There are basically zero bosses where you're using slug over pellet now but yeah Nessa is best slug for Tractor slug swapping

@Deeeeve 9 ай бұрын

When you take into consideration the Rasputin's Arsenal origin trait on the Ikelos it puts it way over the top. Refilling half the mag when braking a shield is great utility.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

I'm not really sure how that's great utility in 99% of content

@jsbael 9 ай бұрын

stubborn oak

@huddypow953 2 ай бұрын

underrated perk about one two punch wastelander is the smaller reticle/smaller pellet spread making it very easy to proc one two punch on all enemies

@gills10975 9 ай бұрын

Thank you

@ComradeAurelian 9 ай бұрын

Is the difference between lightweight and aggrasive THAT noticeable? also, what would be the best combination of an aggressive shotgun swap with gally on rain of fire?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

It's not huge but aggressives are really underrated, and I'd do Ragnhild/Mindbender's

@meiky0o_aim 9 ай бұрын

1 hour aegis vid wonderfull

@BurnCrang 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video, what would you recommend on until its return? for dps and flexibility

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Auto + Surrounded/Cascade

@BurnCrang 9 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic you reckon surrounded is better than trench barrel?

@imjlu 9 ай бұрын

I feel like i didnt see you mention the 10% fire rate bonus from full auto trigger system. Did you overlook that or intentionally ignore it?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Not really useful in any typical circumstances so yeah I didn't include it

@timcal2136 9 ай бұрын

Great video! Just one issue: the “Competition” section seems entirely redundant. You said that it’s scored based on “whether it’s the best at what it does”, but how do you gauge that at the beginning of your rankings when you (theoretically) shouldn’t have any sort of benchmark to compare against? The only way to counter that is by starting with weapons that you already know are top-class, but then you run into the issue of inputting personal bias

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Because if a weapon is best in class because Bungie has failed to fill up that niche with truly good weapons, then it deserves a score increase because there is no alternative. This is relatively rare, and the result is skewing to extremes, but I think it ended up balancing the list in a more accurate manner.

@choukrineggaz8037 6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much

@JoshRosario310 9 ай бұрын

I’ve always said, Destiny players use spreadsheets and that’s all one needs to know. Great video and explanations, very enjoyable thank you.

@squill3256 9 ай бұрын

a 1 hour long tier list about a bottom 3 weapon type in the game??? instant watch

@Deci_SB 9 ай бұрын

If you were to make another video like this I think it would be helpful to show a light gg, d2foundry, or another equivalent with all the perks visible when talking about a gun. I know you’re going over them audibly but a visual component would be nice

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Going to, heard the feedback, appreciate it

@YeahYerYer 9 ай бұрын

Whilst I understand your logic for saying it being Arc is a negative, I will say that for anyone who uses Arc Hunter for endgame activities such as solo dungeons, Dead Weight is perfect and it being arc is a plus! I love it, it's been my go to shotgun for so long. Nice to see it getting the respect it deserves. :) Great vid.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Yeah I only took away a small amount of points for affinity problems, there's a reason it's still S tier :)

@jakii3621 9 ай бұрын

Quick question - why is one two punch best on rapid fire frames? Aren’t you using your melee after every shot, so you’d want the highest damage per shot since your rate of fire is limited by the melee animation?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Highest number of shots in ammo-sensitive activities

@ballpython365 9 ай бұрын

Interesting! I usually stay pretty up to date on this stuff, but when did slugs get overtaken by spread shots? I just did a small amount of testing myself and rapid fires and lightweights seem to do a pretty substantial amount more than the rest

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

A while ago, but attention is being brought to it now

@ballpython365 9 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelicThat's good to hear, sorry for all the comments, I stuck around for the whole vid lol. It really makes no sense that using the slug provides no benefit anymore. Just hope they don't nerf spread shotguns and choose to buff slugs instead.

@Princeify 9 ай бұрын

Very informative! It would've been nice to see a visual layout of recommended perks for an easy way to refer back to this video but this has definitely made me much less apprehensive to the idea of using shotguns in PvE.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Going to do that for snipers nw

@SuperFunduck 9 ай бұрын

Is it better to do light weight or aggressive swapping on titan?do you think synthoceps buff will change anything?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

You could pull off either depending on your heavy weapon and ALH availability, and no, not really

@ItsmeJoid 9 ай бұрын

More AEGIS❤

@SniperWolfKing77 9 ай бұрын

Should I craft a PVE Imperial Decree or PVE Raginhild-D? Also, what roll should the one I craft have?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

One is for swapping and the other is for general Trench/Surrounded roam, up to you

@phazedash6081 9 ай бұрын

Aegis on top 💪

@fnoogie 9 ай бұрын

Any chance you can release the spreadsheet you based these ranks on? I know you show it at the end but I'd rather have the page open myself

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Description updated to include it

@kasma24 9 ай бұрын

So glad someone actually saying Dead Weight and Xenoclast are good, I've been trying to sell my friends on them since they came out and they just won't believe me.

@The_Stickle_Cell 9 ай бұрын

For Deadpan Delivery wouldn't Slickdraw be a better swapping perk than Surplus?

@wilson1320 9 ай бұрын

Dank thumbnail

@Seren_Moth 9 ай бұрын

i need more of these for other weapons so i can finally clear out my vault

@MichaelsChillin 9 ай бұрын

will you do more of these for other weapon archetypes? id like to see more :)

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Yeah in the works

@frankienoonan 9 ай бұрын

You commonly use the phrases "aggresive swapping" and "lightweight swapping". Is it not okay to mix shotgun archetypes when swapping? For example could I use an Imperial Decree with surrounded alongside a Xenoclast with surrounded if I dont have a surrounded roll on A Sudden Death?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Different RPM = wastes firing delay time and feels awful

@frankienoonan 9 ай бұрын

Gotcha. Thanks for the reply. Time to watch the Sniper video. Keep up the awesome work @@TheAegisRelic

@karjay0428 9 ай бұрын

Personally, I wouldn't use elemental affinity, as a really important factor to determine the value of the those shotguns, cuz even tho the affinity may provide a good advantage on dps rotation with surge mods, it's really dependent in external factors, that being the meta and the current roster of weapons, which could change really easily by a nerf or a new weapon. The only case I do understand, is kinetic shotguns, because of their intrinsic 15% extra damage. Still, great video

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

I'm planning on updating these every time a major patch/update comes out in a much shorter form

@fylbrom 9 ай бұрын

Wow this is so usefull

@snnacks 9 ай бұрын

We are, in fact, making it out the soup kitchen with this one

@okkia6537 9 ай бұрын

Look at my guy Aegis! Over here continuing my wonderful journey into DPS shotties 😂 Thank you for taking out a bunch of my playtime forcing my clanmates to hangout with me while I shoot things

@Fr0styFriend 9 ай бұрын

On your Spreadsheet singles tab. Sojourners is highest DPS legendary shotgun. I thought you said that rapid fires or aggressive were the best archetype? Or am I misunderstanding the spreadsheet?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

That's probably with Surrounded

@thatguythere1750 9 ай бұрын

I'm curious, it sounds like you recommend double aggressive over lightweight for tractor, but I haven't caught in any of your videos why that is preferred? Appreciate all your effort in these areas!

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

123 agg swaps = higher DPS than 1212 lw swaps

@thatguythere1750 9 ай бұрын

Nice, thank you! Time to scrounge up whatever energy vorpal aggressive I can find!

@ShadowmanZ92 9 ай бұрын

I would argue affinity is not worth judging a weapon on, I've been using any number of heavy weapons for boss DPS to great effect, sleeper, retrofit escapade, cold comfort, and any number of elemental swords.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

For certain weapon types it is essential

@Lokumun 9 ай бұрын

Would you be willing to do a weapon stat analysis for shotgun swapping at some point? Or a dedicated video guide/tutorial to swapping in lightfall? I’ve scrapped some concepts together between several of your and others’ videos but am still struggling a bit to find good guidance My big questions (all heavily intertwined) *Handling: what are our breakpoints/minimums for archetypes, how much do you need with or without dragonshadow/ophids? How much does frenzy enable a gun or is the handling aspect negligible *Range/stability: how much are these a factor or negligible? *Archetype: what is the dps % discrepancy between the archetypes, what considerations need to be made between each *Weapon mods: extended clip, boss spec, easy access sling?? (related to handling above) *Assault Mag: also related to handling breakpoints *Heavy selection: maybe more info on the recommended loadouts/rotations, sorry, I couldn’t find a tutorial in the dps spreadsheet, if it’s there I’m too dumb to figure it out. *Boss encounters/damage profiles: what bosses are appropriate/inappropriate to use them in, and when are frenzy/surrounded applicable Or if anyone knows a good source lmk

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Handling: as high as possible on every archetype, there's no standard threshold or anything Range/stability: negligible Archetype: agg 123 > lw 12 > slug 12 > agg 12 > rapids (15% perk), specific numbers available in DPS sheet Mods: spec always Heavy: usually Gjally/Tractor if you're shotgun swapping Bosses: any shotgun range boss usually, Surrounded is almost never an option A lot of your questions are answered by the DPS Decoded: Swapping video, but if you have any more questions let me know!

@Konnerading 9 ай бұрын

Any reason you dont rank frenzy over vorpal given the handling boost for swapping?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Vorpal more consistent in some encounters and some archetypes don't need the handling boost as much

@pentament9774 9 ай бұрын

I'm still a bit confused about the verdict on slugs. Was there a nerf to them recently, because I thought they'd still be very popular. Or is it that the context of speed running and low mans means that there's less time to line up those precision shots?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

No slugs are just genuinely not very good any more people just haven't realized it yet

@NobleVI_343 9 ай бұрын

it's a skill issue opinion list kappa

@pentament9774 9 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic what makes that the case now? Did the precision damage get nerfed?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

It got nerfed a while back but I think it's mostly just me looking at the data that has made me realize how overrated they are

@bleedrainbows9522 9 ай бұрын

Can someone give me a brief explanation on why certain frames are better with traits like one two punch, trench barrel, and vorpal? Im relatively new so i dont quite understand the philosophy behind it

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Rapids because ammo count, lightweights because of frame intrinsic

@Ysl489 9 ай бұрын

Very good list agree with all of it. I just think u undervalued reconstruction and slugs (and even tho u gave extra points to recom, i think that was still not enough) on that list.There are still several bosses with a higher crit multiplier where using slugs makes sense or the range doesn’t allow u to use regular shotguns/but u are able to use slugs due to their huge range advantage. aswell as reconstruction in scenarios where u don’t use them just for dps. The convinience of shooting 6-10 bullets on a miniboss is unmatched. For me personally heritage (just because of recombination) still deserves S-Tier and Nessas Oblation deserves to be atleast B-Tier Like whenever I do challenging content (not really into speedrunning, but I love to lowman) and I need a kinetic close range weapon, the answer is always heritage (even tho the damage profile from slugs and their swap damage ain’t the best, being outclassed by most other shotguns) The perkcombination is just too good.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

There are two bosses where the crit multi matters + slugs are used and they are in the oldest raid currently in the game, one of which isn't really even a normal boss (Shuro), so I didn't think that was enough of a benefit to push slugs into relevance

@Ysl489 9 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic wait is it only shuro chi, kalli and caiatl and Oryx with a higher crit Multiplier currently? What happened to the witch type model. I’m like so sure that these had a higher crit multiplier too. Aswell as cabals with their explosive backpack (like explicator) and Boss type cabals that look like caiatl. Ok if it’s only the case with 2 bosses, the sorry. I had some wrong information there. But what about my other mentioned points. I still think these 2 shotties deserve to move up a tier.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

@@Ysl489 The wizard boss model had its crit multiplier removed for some reason a while back, and Explicator doesn't have a special crit either

@JGburneraccount 9 ай бұрын

Swordbreaker is fantastic if you are an ARC hunter with liars handshake doing ad clear, besides that tho i dont think its anything to write home about, i still really enjoy it for mid - late game content.

@biancasawbridgeworth1386 16 күн бұрын

the Osmosis Demo Fortissimo may be powercrept, but it is my favorite slug

@samiezzi6143 9 ай бұрын

To be fair. Until its return gets really nasty with unraveling rounds. Put the fragment for unraveling rounds on my titan with the tangle damage gives melee fragment and synthos etc, shotgun had overflow and trench barrel. pretty nice in tier 3 altars. Allows you to carve a path to the tangles no problem.

@wstormborn3187 9 ай бұрын

Also, as Grapple melee counts as a powered melee, I use Until it Returns with trench barrel to get off three high damage shots immediately on melee

@Aman-vo8mk 9 ай бұрын

Oh boy I hope you finally confirm that blasphemer is underated for pve

@coleschmidt2800 2 ай бұрын

In a perfect world where I can get all the perks on dead weight with three in each column which perks should I prioritize? Besides one two punch because that’s an auto include for me

@TheAegisRelic 2 ай бұрын

Grave/Lead/Auto + One-Two Punch/Frenzy/Trench

@coleschmidt2800 2 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic sweet thank you!

@OMAR-sp7wj 9 ай бұрын

Been trying to get the xenoclast 4 for four seasons! Haha I love it when a weapon has 4 million perks tehehehe!

@blanked8243 9 ай бұрын

Cool list! I have to say I tend to rank things, especially for end game, in more of a how well they preform in their niche standpoint and completely honestly when ur comes to the role of rapid shotties in places I’m using shotguns at all they tend to be kinda rare. I mean, maybe I’d agree if I ran srs but for any lowman the only shottys ever used are slugs / lightweights and for day one outside of OTP (which I prefer on lightweights or smth like mindbenders for the origin trait) are MAYBE double lightweight / aggro / slug depending on factors.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

That's more a result of precedent and if history were ignored, trust me people would use rapids more

@blanked8243 9 ай бұрын

@@TheAegisRelic where do you find urself using rapids most?

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Everything but boss DPS, can even be used in boss DPS

@sylokthedefiled7650 9 ай бұрын

I think that one thing to think about with one small step is osmosis for surge stacking purposes. Very niche, but could be interesting.

@TheAegisRelic 9 ай бұрын

Osmosis doesn't persist post-swap and nade on the shotgun means no nade on the heavy and uptime isn't that high either

@sylokthedefiled7650 9 ай бұрын

@TheAegisRelic that's fair. I was thinking it might have potential as a tractor warlock with the final shape solar super and rain of fire. Something like Boop Swap to one small step Nade, pop super, Mag dump Swap to ikelos for cascade point Icarus dash and boop Swap to one small step and nade And so on. Probably not top tier and we have to wait for final shape to try it, but definitely an interesting and unique concept.