Unlike other logos using native Americans, the blackhawks logo isn’t used in a cartoonish way and is actually based on an actual person. They pay tribute to the local natives in Illinois every game and have actually been praised by native Americans

Hot take: I feel like the ranking videos would be easier to rank if you all each gave them a score between like 1-15 and then added up the points to give them a more accurate ranking. The scores would also help you know which teams would classify as a high A, for example, versus a lower A. Then the ranking scores could be: The Best (51-60) A (41-50) B (31-40) C (21-30) D (11-20) Delete This (4-10)

The Blackhawks are named after a singular person. The logo is his likeness. Here in Chicago we are all taught about him and his bravery and defiance of the invading settlers and his refusal to be pushed off his land. Unlike the Indians or Redskins, this team name an logo actually does honor someone. I see nothing wrong with it. None of the Natives I’ve talked to including those not from the Chicago area have a problem with it. In fact, the Sac and Fox Nation are partners with the Blackhawks. They’re literally the people that he was the Chief of.

Just so everyone understands. The Blackhawks logo isn’t made to be racist in any way shape or form. It gets its name from the military group the original owner was in, who were called the Blackhawks named after the tribes leader who lived around Chicago named the Sauk Tribe. The logo itself was approved by many indigenous groups, and is an example of a logo that can represent an indigenous theme without showing them in an overly racist manner. The tribe is well known for wearing feathers as depicted, and the logo does not depict them in a crude manner like the redskins logo that both used a racist name and a racist logo. It’s raised a lot of awareness to the group over the years, and has even donated to their cause a few times. There is no reason for it to be controversial, or for it to have to be taken out of the league. Once you get past the very small minority who have a problem with it (99% people who aren’t from any background that it could possibly offend) people like it. In fact, a lot of people respect it. Most NHL teams choose names that represent their city in some way, and for one of the biggest franchises in the league to not only choose, but keep a name attributing to indigenous people is massive. And to get rid of it is far more counterproductive then keeping it toward indigenous equality. Seriously, what do people find so racist about it? It doesn’t depict the logo doing any racist stereotypical actions. It doesn’t portray its character (Chief Blackhawk) in an overly racist way, it’s just drawn in a cartoon style. So what’s the problem with it? If the Islanders can have the stereotype of a white fisherman in New York on their jersey which is indeed a stereotype, then why can’t Chicago have a popular indigenous figure? They aren’t making fun of him, or disrespecting his legacy. So why? It’s time we all wise up and understand portraying indigenous themes isn’t racist. It’s not. The sooner we start treating everyone as equals, and don’t get all sensitive when a stereotype, especially a harmless stereotype is portrayed in brand or media, the sooner we can have equality between genders, races, religions, etc. It is because of the very people who are so offended by such a thing as the Blackhawks logo we still have culture clashes like this. Enough is enough, let them keep their logo. And let’s move on to pushing indigenous themes across the world to help them spread their message and get the rights they deserve. Edit: thank you to the people who corrected me, it is indeed the Sauk tribe not the Blackhawks which I fixed. Also, I would like to clarify I’m not saying the fisherman logo is racist. It’s not, and that’s my point. If a cartoonish but decently accurate depiction of one of their great leaders is racist, then so is the fisherman logo. It’s not fair to call one racist and not the other simply because one is a white stereotype. As for the argument against my claim that it doesn’t offend the majority of people, it doesn’t matter that it offends such a small minority. This minority it offends are mostly people who think it offends indigenous people and aren’t any part of the community it apparently offends, which it largely doesn’t. Cancelling things because you assume it offends someone else is common practice these days, and an extremely stupid one and it’s gotta stop. As I said before, keeping it, and using it in a way to spread awareness rather then deleting it because you think it’s racist is the far better way to go. Why waste such a great chance to spread an important message?

I can’t disagree more with the Blackhawks jersey. It’s a respectful representation of an actual person that existed in history. Such an iconic logo, that shouldn’t be changed. The Indians logo on the other hand was with no doubt offensive, a caricature of an Indian / Native American with an idiotic grin.

Imagine doing a list of NHL jerseys and then arguing to change the Blackhawks logo. What a joke lmao.

As someone who grew up a Predators fan, the Blackhawks were a team that was always a thorn in my side and I still hate them for that. HOWEVER, I have so much respect for their logo and it’s origins. Not only do they have permission to use it from the Native tribes in the area, but the Blackhawks do so much good work for that community and they hold that tradition and that history to high levels of respect. While that logo might give me PTSD, I can’t help but respect it.

The Blackhawks logo honors Chief Black hawk and shouldn’t be compared to the redskins logo or Indians logo. The Blackhawks logo honors a former Native American military leader

The hate on the Blackhawks is unwarranted. The hawks have one of the best logos in history. The logos origins pay much respect to the natives of that area and are incredibly historic and deserve lots of respect.

When has anyone been offended by the Blackhawks logo? It's generally considered one of the best logos in the league. The only kind of hate I can imagine towards that logo is racism towards Native Americans which BarDown should not be supporting in any way!

Okay, the hate on the Blackhawk logo by people needs to stop. The history behind why they are named that is respectful. The team has been okayed by the league and the people it "offends" to use it. And the people that it actually offends are not even Native Americans.

My issue with the Chicago stuff is they got permission, and still had a blessing to use the name and logo for a while (idk id they still do or not), and the people who the jersey upsets have no association to native american culture they just might have some native blood in them.

the only people who are offended by the Hawks logo are people who are worried about others being offended by the Hawks logo

You cant change the hawks they have gotten permission to use it and it is the definition of a classic. One of the best jerseys

You already know its a bad list if Chicago isn't near the top.

They always say the Blackhawks is offending people if you go to hawks game if you go to hawks events they always honor who the team is actually named after, tribe leader Chief Black hawk, so it isn’t discriminating a certain group it is honoring a certain leader.

Blackhawks are a big miss, one of the best unis in all of sports. No where near the comparison to "Redskins" as a controversial team.

Omfg! The Blackhawks one does not demean anyone or anything at all. It pays honour and respects. And to say that people don’t want to be a teams mascot. News flash! They aren’t!!! Their mascot is a bleeping bird!

Totally disagree with the hawks

You guys need to each create your "Top 5 Jerseys" lists and debate them to find a combined Top 5

The Blackhawks' uniform was voted one of the 25 best in professional sports by Paul Lukas of GQ in November 2004. In 2008 the Hockey News voted the team's jersey as the best in the NHL and voted the team's main logo to be the best in the NHL. Greg Wyshynski of Yahoo! Sports listed the Blackhawks home jerseys as the second best NHL jersey in the history of the NHL in 2017. The Blackhawks were voted to have the best uniform in the history of the NHL in a fan-vote conducted by the NHL in 2017.

“We can’t put most of the teams in A” Proceed to put most of the teams in A 😂

I mean I know people that are honored to have a great and historical team named after a greatly historical Sauk chief. i think people should take a step back from the whole race situation and take a good look at what it actually represents, which is a strong Sauk leader that played a massive role in the history of Illinois and is being celebrated for who he was in life. It's nothing even close to being a race thing like the Edmonton elks old name or the Washington commanders old name or the Cleveland guardians.

As a French man, I don't understand what happens in America with the logo of Indians for a sport team. People get offended by everything by this time, but it won't changed the past, so stop to be weak. Its better to be a remarkable logo of a winning sport team than to be erase of the history.

The Blackhawks jersey is classic and pays homage to the tribes and respects them.

I would be offended if if the Chicago Blackhawks changed their emblem.

Mad respect to Z for loving the Sabres set. I’m very biased but if you remove the buffaslug, I really think they would have a top 3 jersey history of all time. In terms of the best I think the Blues have to be it. So many unique and interesting jerseys and Calgary is great too, could see a lot of good picks for the best.

L take on the Chicago Blackhawks. I hate the team but that logo is top 5, the name and the logo honors a Native American cheif. Thought it was gonna be a contestant for the best, but then y’all put ur tails between ur legs ang just said it might be offensive w/o saying anything about the actual look of the jersey.

Corwin: The jet’s jerseys suck because they have been the same for so long (12 years) Also Corwin with 1/2 of the original teams: they are classic and very nice

I love these guys but so tired of them blowing by everything Hawks related because they’re afraid to offend somebody. Just because someone can be offended doesn’t mean they are right. But I do respect everyone’s opinion.

Love these sit down videos. You guys definitely NEED your own actual podcast.

Boy did you get it wrong with the hawks, they contribute substantially to the native american community

If you are ok with your teams logo changing because people are offended by it (for literally no reason good enough to change my mind) you’re not a true fan of that team

Im native and I never once thought the Blackhawks logo is racist In any way. It’s in my opinion the best logo in the NHL and even in all of pro sports

Changing the hawks logo would be disrespectful to indigenous people and the history behind the logo they’ve had more than one fan vote on if they should change it and it has always been overwhelmingly against the change

Blackhawks are the best, but for some reason, Bardown is convinced that the jersey has racist connotations.. and it doesn't..

Montreal are B for being classic but Detroit and Toronto are A’s?🤣🤣🤣

Corwin hating the Nordiques jersey only confirms that he easily has the worst taste in the panel

I am from the UK and I don't know the history of the blackhawks and all that but the jersey to me is beautiful

90% of the people who are offended by the hawks are natives to twitter

Ok as a Ducks fan I have to say, the orange is part of the team being in Orange County and them embracing Anaheim as their home (as opposed to the Angels). I will totally admit the jade & eggplant colors are amazing and I absolutely miss them and love it every time they make an appearance, but I also like the orange/gold/black combination and it really works for the team and their hometown. I also don’t mind the D jerseys and enjoy the shoulder patches and the overall design. But obviously I prefer the cross sticks logo, as does almost everyone, which is why the reverse retro’s really hit hard for a lot of fans (as well as the all orange jerseys). I do think the retros should add shoulder patches though, using the old secondary logo patches from the past and updating them with the current colors.

What is Corwin talking about? Are these guys the only ones offended by the logo? Cause they've been granted permission to use it. Don't change the Blackhawks jersey just because a group of people not associated to the tribe are offended

I really like and respects all these guys and the content they create is quality everytime, but the hate towards the Blackhawks is starting to get a bit annoying. It's one of the iconic logos where changing it isn't just a small thing. And I'm not even a Blackhawks fan.

Love how Jesse absolutely hates the 70's Rangers jersey, when it's *literally* the same as the Winnipeg Jets' original one he defends so much. The Jets started wearing them because a guy from the Rangers who liked them so much brought them with him when he joined the Jets organization in the WHA

Bro the stars’ black alternate gets too much hate. Those things are🔥

For some reason with the Capitals, I think going back to the screaming eagle would be cool. Maybe have the reverse retro from 2021 as their home, a white version of that as the away and then the current reverse retro as a third. I'd like that a lot.

No one is offended by the hawks logo

As a Blackhawks fan I wish you guys would do your research before speaking on a subject you guys disregard just because a few people said it was offensive, The team has done numerous surveys to determine it’s not to the majority of Native tribes they’ve asked, they made sure to give back and do things for the Native community, even recently the Goaltenders mask were done by Native artists from the Potawatomi and Ojibwe tribe, instead of erasing history and erasing the people behind that history we need to stop taking the easy way out and instead have real conversations and commemorate the people behind the Blackhawk(Suak) and other native tribes which the organization has been doing continuously since day one

can we stop going PC princess over the hawks??? It is a CLASSIC and when you add in the fact they donate money, it brings awareness to the various native american groups like we all need to stfu. I understood like hey the term "redskins" is pretty like derogatory/ rude but like theres none of that with the blackhawks. Stop the madness. also bruins should be S tier cause the penguins copied their colors just saying. Bruins have very very clean jerseys.

Fun fact: The Blackhawks actually aren’t named after Chief Black Hawk….. Kind of… They’re named after the Army division of the Black Hawks’ founder, which was nicknamed the “Black Hawk Division.” The division itself WAS named after Chief Black Hawk and the team is indirectly named after him. That’s why the Blackhawks were originally named the ‘Black Hawks.’ They later dropped the space and became the ‘Blackhawks.’ This is also why some people who want the logo changed have suggested a more military approach. Me personally? I think because the Blackhawks are showing respect for a Native Chief and bring awareness for them, AND the name isn’t derogatory in any way (unlike the former Cleveland/ Washington sports teams), AND they banned the use of Native head dresses at home games, there is no real reason for a brand change. Especially when other cultures are used for sports teams (Minnesota Vikings, Kansas City Chiefs, Boston Celtics, Arizona Coyotes kachina designs, Dallas Cowboys [named after an organized crime gang], Florida State Seminoles, etc.) and no one really complains about them

Amazing videos, keep it up guys. Been watching you guys for years

Hey boys loved the videos been watching bar down quizzes forever! We need to see a surprise D3 quiz

Disclaimer: I'm a Flyers fan. I agree with Jesse, but there is more to it. Ultimately a jersey is about branding as well. And if you showed non hockey fans the jersey's and said tell me about this team's brand of hockey, no jersey set does it as well as the Flyers. No fuss, no flash, just blue collar go out every night with your lunch pail and hammer and beat the other guy. The jersey and it's branding matches the team perfectly.

Meaning of Blackhawks logo "The Chicago Blackhawks' name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public." its disgusting people who aren't even native are the ones complaining and want to change it

Don't want to be treated like your teams mascot? The blackhawks mascot is a BIRD! The people who complain about the logo don't even watch hockey nor do they know the history of this logo. I will never apologize for liking Chief Blackhawk's portrait on my favorite team's sweater.

Who's offended by the Hawks logo? Seriously asking. Never seen a single person.

Was waiting through the Tampa one and ended up devastated. The Edge era Tampa unis are one of my faves of all time.

Blackhawks Jersey is in honor of Chief Blackhawk. Literally the opposite of offensive. Come on guys

nah you guys had me until the Blackhawks bs

I hate how low Blackhawks were they’re definitely mid A they have great jerseys and an awesome looking logo idc how offensive it is it looks incredible

I love how we get a VGK jersey in the shot. Love these videos!! We can have high and low grades! Thanks for not letting Jesse trash us like usual haha

The people who should be offended by the blackhawks logo, actually praise them for how respectful it is.

Fans are not just going to move on from 96 years of history and they honor First Nations all the time there is nothing wrong with it best jersey set in all of the league

Tons of native Canadians are not only fans of the Chicago Blackhawks but proudly wear the logo, you have the right not to be offended on other people’s behalf

hey guys, love the ranking lists. potential idea here, how would you feel about splitting the A tier into A and S tier? separation, because there are so many teams in the A tier that it doesn’t have enough meaning to separate them.

The red Blackhawks jersey with current logo is one of the greatest ever. The logo is not representing native Americans as their mascot ffs there’s a deep respect that comes with wearing a jersey like that

i wanna see the top 5 jerseys of all time from each of you

goal horn tier list🏒

As a long time Bardown fan and a lifetime Blackhawks fan, this one stings, boys 💔

Strongly disagree with changing the blackhawks logo It’s a classic logo that represents a culture and the organization is taking steps to show more of the culture. Your not gonna please everyone and honestly It’s your choice to be offended so if your sad go pound sand

Jesse about Philly: its classic, it’s so good Jesse about rangers: enough with the “it’s classic” bros such a joke

Huge agree with Jesse on the Ducks, I’d even drop them to D. Two incredible jerseys in the 90s don’t make up for two decades of consistently having some of the ugliest jerseys in the league.

This list is already a mess 😂 Keep up the great work boys!

Do not change the blackhawks logo. We need to stop being offended about everything.

Did they ever take a second to research how much the blackhawks do for the native community? Also having the blessing and actually the want from said community for them to use the logo?

They really need to a LOT more jerseys in Chel. Seriously, the last time they added any retro jerseys was in NHL *12*. Meanwhile they still have every single “new” jersey they had since NHL 08.

I'm offended by your takes. You should just change them. See how dumb that logic is?

Wack take with the hawks. Not even a Chicago fan.

Blackhawks still have one or the best logos period. Should grade it by logo, not how people feel.

If the Blackhawks change the logo, I'll refuse to watch the games

thank you jesse for defending us. Also the 90s orange jerseys were sick

We don't change logos in the NHL, I live in Manitoba with many Metis people and that is the sole reason they cheer for the Blackhawks.

These Bardown videos have made me a die hard NHL fan this season

Honestly pisses me off how people still not know the Blackhawks history

Love the videos but I think the blackhawks should keep the logo. The people offended are often not even native or First Nations in many cases so I’d like to hear less of that politics and more hockey. Great jerseys, like many I agreed with on the list

Sending out a big middle finger from Chicago. Bet you anything these guys would’ve said they loved the Hawks jerseys 5 years ago. Best jersey in all of sports

Nashville jerseys won’t please everyone,But deleting it is a little harsh.

Honestly, now we need each of y’all to submit a top 5 jerseys of all time I’m saying that knowing damn well jesse’s is about to be 40

The BarDown take on the Blackhawks jersey being offensive shows the lack of knowledge they have on the history of the logo. Very ignorant of them and shows they follow whatever trend the 'woke' mob is rallying for.

The Blackhawks disrespect is nuts.

I'm offended by the Blackhawks B ranking. That red jersey is one of the best jerseys in all of sports and I'm not even a Blackhawks fan

So worried about offending people you put the best logo in B 🙄 nice list plus the penguins logo is a low A at best

EA needs to add more older jerseys I’ve been wanting the OG flames pedestal jerseys for years

Always a good day when the bardown crew does one of these podcasts ‼️

The Blackhawks jersey should NEVER be changed.

You guys should do an all time goalie pads set up rating

I hate how the game dilutes the colours of the jerseys. They should be much brighter than that

Can't say I agree with the comments about the Blackhawks jerseys. The removal of the logo happened to UND. It was a huge deal at the time, and it still sucks that it happened. Still here chants of Sioux forever.

I remember the 2k games had *deep* jersey selections

Would love a tier list based on current uniforms (home, away, alternate) taking into account helmet, gloves, pants etc.