Ranking the MANY Guns of the Imperium

Ranking the MANY Guns of the Imperium - Warhammer 40K

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On this week’s episode, Brad and Eric channel their inner Zach and Mike to do an episode all about the many boomsticks point and click interfaces of the Warhammer 40K universe. At least the ones for the Imperium. …At least those carried by infantry. Look. This might be a very long series if it goes over well, there’s a LOT of weapons to go through.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:50 Lasgun
00:03:32 Shotgun
00:06:04 Arc Pistol
00:11:24 Making the Editor’s life Harder
00:11:57 Inferno Pistol
00:15:55 Heavy Stubber
00:19:30 Heavy Flamer
00:21:51 Bolter
00:27:28 Plasma Gun
00:29:26 Grav-Cannon
00:32:13 Missile Launcher
00:34:53 Auto-Cannon
00:36:45 Frag Grenade
00:37:15 Krak Grenade
00:38:42 Neovolkite Pistol
00:40:50 Arc Rifle
00:41:58 Heavy Arc Rifle
00:42:58 Storm Bolter
00:44:16 Combi Weapons
00:45:56 Assault Cannon
00:47:00 Lascannon
00:49:20 Meltagun
00:49:56 Hand Flamer
00:51:20 Bolt Pistol
00:53:00 Plasma Pistol
00:56:04 Grav-Gun and Grav-Pistol
00:57:34 Multi-Melta
00:59:39 Hellgun
01:01:42 Laspistol
01:02:22 Long-Las
01:03:22 Heavy Bolter
01:04:35 Grenade Launcher
01:05:50 The Flamer
01:07:01 Transuranic Arquebus
01:08:16 Rad Carbine
01:09:21 Galvanic Rifle
01:10:14 Psilencer
01:11:30 Final Thoughts
01:13:52 New Outro
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@DominatorLegend Ай бұрын

Actually, that shotgun was based on the Sturmtiger.

@thepoorhammerpodcast Ай бұрын

Alright, this one wins. Forget the million Spas-12 correction comments, this one just made me clean my drink off my monitor.

@andrewfurey2999 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@nox5555 Ай бұрын

@@thepoorhammerpodcast having your drink on your monitor was not reason enough to clean it off?

@TheBoggeln Ай бұрын

Krieg Shotgun is revolver shotgun. It is dope.

@Lindwurm_Nx Ай бұрын

This is THE comment! 😂

@Bricky Ай бұрын

I can't believe I let these HACKS borrow the art I commissioned for the playmat and they didn't even shout it out OR THEIR OWN MERCH

@dickassley5171 Ай бұрын

hello bricky

@noahgassler746 Ай бұрын

SAM LAKE YOU HACK! ...sorry, force of habit. POORHAMMER, YOU HACKS!

@Jan_Iedema Ай бұрын

They truly do suck at shilling out

@calebkooy2241 Ай бұрын

Oh damn, is the gun wall in that back a playmat?

@matraser3201 Ай бұрын

They are bad at selling out

@leadpaintchips9461 Ай бұрын

Personally I think the lasgun should be S tier, because it shows the scale of 40K so well. It's a gun that is utterly *devastating* to anything on IRL scale and is a logistical dream. Despite that though, it's jokingly called a flashlight by the readers and gamers because of how weak it is in comparison to both the offense and defense that is brought to the table. It doesn't do jack to most armor and doesn't hold a candle to most other things being shot in the universe.

@Bluecho4 Ай бұрын

Agreed. It's the quintessential Sci Fi gun, that in any other setting would utterly dominate the battlefield. It's just held back because everything in 40K is so overpowered.

@Florkl Ай бұрын

Absurdly lethal to 99% of the galaxy. Sucks that you’re the one using it on that last 1%.

@kremlinkoa Ай бұрын

Sadly, in original Lore The Lasgun's performance profile was similar to the Autogun, and the Autogun has the performance profile of an IRL M-4 But it was cheaper and had more shots per battery replacement than an Autogan has before magazine swap.

@leadpaintchips9461 Ай бұрын

@@kremlinkoa So an M-4 that has no bullet drop or travel time, a larger mag, and is even better to mass produce? Even if it had similar effect on target as a M-4, it'd still be S tier because of it performing the same role as a fantastic baseline to compare everything else to. Didn't know it had a similar profile _way_ back. I know when I started playing (I think it was 3rd or 4th? Been a long time) it was already far beyond a autogun in the lore.

@kremlinkoa Ай бұрын

@@leadpaintchips9461 No bullet drop, true But atmospheric diffusion meant it had a similar effective range. But yeah, better ammo per weight. And cheaper to produce. And in the current game, it kills humans about as much as it did back then. Notably, novels seem to be inconsistent on how effective Lasguns are.

@TheGrayAdder Ай бұрын

Good topic for engagement farming imo, people who know too much about guns (like me, hi) are going to come in HOT with the “Well actually…” on this one.

@thepoorhammerpodcast Ай бұрын

Just our patrons last night already gave me enough lectures about shotguns to fill a lifetime... I expect this comments section will be painful to check up on in a few weeks.

@theshamurai32 Ай бұрын

@thepoorhammerpodcast For what it's worth, you earned back points with me for dunking on the 1911. We've had 100 years of pistol design, but you'll still get "tWo WuRl WaRs!" fanboys if you point out it's obsolete.

@boobyburgerboys Ай бұрын

Its honestly surprising a men with a 3d printer, in the us, with a hobby like 40k joking called the racist autistic teen boy ip, wouldn't know everything about guns already.

@95ttung Ай бұрын

Between the Plasma Gun and the 1911 takes, it juuuuuust barely makes up for the bolter take

@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Ай бұрын

@@theshamurai32 You can pry my 110 year old gun from my cold dead hands.

@TheServet13 Ай бұрын

I was floored when Horus said "This truly is the poorest of hammers"

@Caseyuptobat Ай бұрын

The Poorus Heresy

@sebbensebbenandsebben691 Ай бұрын

Peak fiction

@justinrockholt7055 Ай бұрын

But Horus used a mace… a BattleMace one might say… 40Million times he used it, inspiring his brother to make a war game.

@BaronElBardo Ай бұрын

Mr. Horus Hersey for you

@amovy031 Ай бұрын

@@Caseyuptobatthe Poorus Poverty

@markpledger3398 Ай бұрын

To be fair, the SPAS-12 is a pump action shotgun with a semi-automatic mode! ((Technically a SPAS-12 is a semi-auto with a pump mode for low-power shells, but shhh))

@falsehero2001 Ай бұрын

The 40k shotgun would instantly become cool if it was said to have slamfire.

@Artselen Ай бұрын

@@falsehero2001 it's the China lake all over again.

@ChickenSims Ай бұрын

Often depicted being fired without the use of its collapsible buttstock, no less!

@philipconners1150 Ай бұрын

Came for this comment haha they’re complaint about the pump/semi/auto then shouted out our real world equivalent haha

@falsehero2001 Ай бұрын

@@Artselen I didn't know you can slamfire a China Lake. Do you have a link to a source showcasing this? My Google-fu has failed me.

@stoneraptor4541 Ай бұрын

I think the best part about the plasma gun is that it isn’t actually just exploding. Apparently when it overheats it dumps all the superheated coolant out the back at the wielder so that the gun itself doesn’t get damaged. Just peak 40k, kill the bearer to preserve the gun

@dustinbragg1921 Ай бұрын

Did they ever consider venting the coolant in a different direction? Nevermind, this is the mechanicum we're talking about here.

@sawyermifsud852 Ай бұрын

how else is the machine spirit supposed to vent its fury on users who fail to follow the proper rites of use.@@dustinbragg1921

@scerpalman Ай бұрын

@@dustinbragg1921never question the methods of the Omnisiah

@kennymelton9310 Ай бұрын

“Couldn’t find an infantry unit that can take the plasma cannon”. Pictured. Devastators equipped with plasma cannons.

@StarkMaximum Ай бұрын

yeah that's that's the joke, champ they literally say "berilio probably found one and has a picture of it up right now"

@majorearl12 Ай бұрын

Also Deathwing Terminators 😉

@Notthat897 Ай бұрын

I’ve lost count how many books mention plasma cannon devastators. I think it’s clear these guys mostly go off the tabletop, I don’t think they consume a lot of lore.

@josphenciso7471 Ай бұрын

Grav cannon too

@treytison1444 Ай бұрын

Pretty sure Deathwing Terminators also have them. Edit: never mind someone already said that.

@JachymorDota Ай бұрын

The Heavy Stubber has it all: The looks, the funny name (Stubber), the imposing name (Heavy), the favor of the goddess of luck to land the finishing blow on everything from Space Marine Captains to Warlord Titans. If you could equip everyone with a Heavy Stubber, by Gork and Mork I would!

@Kingofdragons117 Ай бұрын

10th edition heavy stubbers slap too. 3 attacks with rapid fire 3 at 36” range is pretty mean. Sure it’s only S4 with 1 damage, but hey the knight ones have AP1 too. They are surprisingly effective.

@JachymorDota Ай бұрын

@@Kingofdragons117 That profile does sound fun actually. As long as you can drown the enemy in saves each turn, some are bound to fail eventually.

@Ninjat126 Ай бұрын

As an AdMech player in 10e, respect the heavy stubbers. They'll splatter T3 infantry (like humans), and even power armour saves will fail you eventually.

@LordCrate-du8zm Ай бұрын

You must love knights.

@SnakeHipsSimon Ай бұрын

I think the heavy stubber makes sense lore wise. Like it's going to be cheaper and easier to manufacture on a large scale than something like a heavy bolter or a lascannon. And in stuff like Ghaunts Ghosts and Caiphus Cain, they arent coming up against Space Marine tier enemies 99% of the time.

@williamgillquist3849 Ай бұрын

Mentioning MikeBurnfire is a crossover I did not expect but truly appreciate

@AsuraBoss Ай бұрын

My brain broke when I heard it because I was like “Wait, I clicked on Poorhammer, didn’t I…?”

@ceejay267 Ай бұрын

It genuinely caught me off guard in the best way

@mckmitte Ай бұрын

These two are like those two in a different font

@Matryoshkandroid Ай бұрын

i believe this is the second time theyve mentioned them, and knowing zach i think he'd say yes if asked to collab, mike would probably too

@charybdis1618033 Ай бұрын

The Lasgun holds the Guard Bayonet, which has racked up more kills than any other weapon in the Imperium. As such, it deserves a special commendation.

@HopeBlaszkowska Ай бұрын

It's actually discussed that one of the reasons the traitor legions had a massive initial advantage, they "adjusted" their bolters to be able to pierce power armour, whereas loyalist bolts were just bouncing off. In the one raven guard hh book.

@Bluecho4 Ай бұрын

Which makes sense. The traitors had time to plan their treason. Whereas only one guy in the Ultramarines even presented theoreticals for how Marine-on-Marine war would work prior to the Heresy. And that guy got reprimanded for it.

@timiturret148 Ай бұрын

They were using a different type of Boltgun and also newer Power Armour. This was possible because Horus was Warmaster and had control over supply lines. And also the Dark Mechanicus on Mars, who build all thid for Horus forces.

@EstradusTheDragon Ай бұрын

In 9th edition; the admech Radium Carbine could be upgraded to Thorium Rounds; so I think its firing irradiated bullets compared to just straight up firing radiation.

@MGPW Ай бұрын

In the 7Ed? codex, it states that it fires enriched uranium rounds. That's right, not depleted uranium, enriched.

@Bluecho4 Ай бұрын

@@MGPW Because AdMech look at the list of warcrimes, the way normal people look at The Art of War: as instructions.

@user-kt4to5xs9l Ай бұрын

@@Bluecho4hey I’m sure the Geneva convention got lost during the age of strife. And they never signed that thing. So go full balls to the wall

@EstradusTheDragon Ай бұрын

@@MGPWYeah; that checks out for admech

@dickkickem4238 Ай бұрын

I miss when admech had cool stuff like that. Now we just have fart gas that causes battleshock.

@Mrcookieonyt Ай бұрын

Funny enough, the sturmtiger also fired a rocket propelled round like a giant bolter. "So its based off the sturmtiger"

@dogf421 Ай бұрын

the lethality of lightning is bizarre. sometimes a person can be struck and survive but other times a single bolt can take out an entire flock of over a hundred sheep by running through the ground. its so unpredictable and that makes it terrifying to me

@duckiequackers9122 Ай бұрын

I feel like combi weapons arent inherently a bad idea, because like you can mount things such as shotguns and grenade launchers under modern rifle barrels. So the idea the imperium just manufactured them together isnt too far off. I think it comes down to the design of the weapons themselves

@leadpaintchips9461 Ай бұрын

This. There's a place for combi-weapons. Too bad that most of them just are inferior to running one of either of the weapons being combo'd.

@lonewolfM16 Ай бұрын

Yeah, it feels like for something like a melta it makes a good bit of sense to want to have a longer range faster firing option but have an underslung melta for when you want close range anti-armor, etc. The disadvantage of underslung weapons is that they are bulkier and heavier, making handling your gun more difficult, but these are space marines in 40k and thus give zero shit about how heavy or bulky anything is.

@Notthat897 Ай бұрын

The point of the video is not what makes sense in the universe or ours. It’s all rule of cool and what they can cherry pick.

@ianhusseyanimation 26 күн бұрын

middling combi-weapons (40k) versus the chad DC-17m (republic commando)

@BasicallyTabletop 21 күн бұрын

Yeah I was thinking this too. I honestly love the Bolt Rifle with underslung Plasma, Melta, or Grav as then it functions just like the Astartes equivalent of an underslung grenade launcher on a modern weapon but for heavier/armored targets that bolts can't handle alone. Which makes perfect sense for veterans to carry for elite shock troopers as they're going to want to be able to handle anything they run into.

@denharte8670 Ай бұрын

I love the Admech’s focus on “ancient” weaponry. Despite clearly being advanced energy-slinging space magic wands in many cases they still have names akin to real-world early firearms. Arquebus, Jezzail, Caliver, etc.

@burnin8able Ай бұрын

the way the 40K shotgun is depicted in darktide is spot on, imo. the pump is there to work the action when needed (loading in fresh ammo from empty, clearing a jam, etc.) but otherwise it's a semi-auto shotgun at all times.

@MrAllofyourbase Ай бұрын

Presumably also to cycle the action on lower-power rounds? One of the major reasons riot police often still use pump action shotguns is because rubber bullets and the like will have much smaller propellant loads to reduce lethality, and as a result semi-automatic shotguns can have difficulty cycling; this is one of the major reasons that the SPAS-12 can fire in both pump-action and semi-auto modes. And the Arbites, despite the meme reputation, use nonlethal tactics at times themselves, so it would benefit them to have the ability to have a weapon that can cheaply handle low-power rounds.

@Halford_Steel 10 күн бұрын

In dark tide it is used to load special ammo, widespread, slugs, and incendiary, ammo. Something that being able to add in on the fly is very useful

@burnin8able 9 күн бұрын

@@Halford_Steel yeah, which is actually exactly how the SPAS-12 is operated in real life.

@Fell-Handed_Bjorn Ай бұрын

Shout out to the "Heavy Stubber" which is usually just the M2 Browning. Also not surprised but sadge no Helfrost pistol exclusive to the Space Wolves Iron Priest

@spencermaisey7550 Ай бұрын

It looks exactly like a M3 50cal

@roberts4089 Ай бұрын

um actually, deathwing terminators can carry a plasma cannon. sorry you forced my hand had to call you out

@chapter_129 Ай бұрын

I always understood Melta as like a "long range" fast-acting cutting torch. Plasma is plasma, flamer is like a flamethrower, and then what makes the Melta good anti-armor is that it's cutting through it by melting it in a heated concentrated cone of fire. Which, like a cutting torch has a relatively short range for efficacy.

@epicwaba6424 Ай бұрын

I always thought it was just a heat ray, but not sci fi plasma. Just superheated air in a cone.

@moonamir9708 Ай бұрын

I thought its Fusion Shotgun.

@LordCrate-du8zm Ай бұрын

NGL I will always have a soft spot for the Heavy Bolter. It's so unapologetically in-your-face about its purpose, and I love how widespread it is across the Imperium. But if we're talking about EVERY gun the Imperium's ever used, I will always love the Volkite range. The idea of a microwave gun is so fucking awesome.

@ismael9914 Ай бұрын

I love that the Volkite isnt just a different flavour of " shoot superhot thing " anti tank Its anti tank as "doesnt matter how much armor it has, it's atoms will combust soon". And, even tho it was kinda messy, I love their 7ed rules, where if you managed to kill models with it you could score extra hits for the over irradiated exploding chunks piercing enemies. So freaking cool, and I love that League of Votaan Hearthguard (their termines) can get them as a ranged weapon for the whole unit to show how they actually understand tech

@Ninjat126 Ай бұрын

The rule was called "Deflagrate" and it is indeed, grate. Every wound inflicted causes an additional 'deflagrate" hit, just at the weapon's base profile. Hard targets might take a little extra damage, but "soft" targets go up like candles. It's almost the opposite of how volkite weapons work in 10e, since Devastating Wounds are more effective on targets with better saves.

@Vespuchian Ай бұрын

Both excellent picks. Can’t go wrong with a gun that shoots exploding rockets the size of soda cans, not to mention it’s one of the few proper bolters a lowly guardsman can actually expect to operate (and not be on the receiving end of).

@LordCrate-du8zm Ай бұрын

Thank you good sir. What are your choices?@@Vespuchian

@LordCrate-du8zm Ай бұрын

@@Ninjat126 “volkite weapons in 10e” if you can call it volkite…

@Triptides77 Ай бұрын

I think I'd argue that crew-served weapons are still *technically* infantry weapons.

@destyrian Ай бұрын

I always thought of Meltas as kind of microwave guns where they just send out a beam of intense heat.

@vxicepickxv Ай бұрын

Microwaves are just controlled Radio Frequency energy.

@chrismorel8613 Ай бұрын

Old lore - that was true in 2nd edition wargear manual. Dunno when they switched to the other explanation

@georgewhanford4421 Ай бұрын

That was true for years, but not now, maybe again in the future

@Schwalbe1728 Ай бұрын

5:02 - For a bunch of Americans I see someone never heard of Benelli M4 or ESPECIALLY SPAS-12...

@DuceyRips Ай бұрын

If you don’t look at the spas-12 and say “clever girl” out loud are you really even American?

@Schwalbe1728 Ай бұрын

@@DuceyRips To be fair to them - they do mention SPAS-12 minutes later. HOWEVER, my main gripe that got me to point this out is the fact that SPAS-12 in fact does have a functioning slide (english == 2nd language, pardon me); SPAStic 12 can run semi-auto with full power loads, the slide is for cycling the less powered loads (specialist ammo types, less-than-lethal shells, etc.)

@DuceyRips Ай бұрын

@@Schwalbe1728 you’re good I just wanted to make the Jurassic park joke

@Florkl Ай бұрын

@@Schwalbe1728 Bold of you to assume the Imperium would use less-lethal rounds.

@Schwalbe1728 Ай бұрын

@@Florkl Less than lethals were brought up as an example. I should be more precise and say, that iirc any shotgun shells with loads lower than MAGNUM don't cycle well in SPAS-12 and most semi-automatic shotguns. This doesn't need to mean less than lethal, this can mean birdshot... or really, anything that ISN'T a full powered slug.

@darnokx9277 Ай бұрын

"What do you need?" ... "Guns, lots of guns!" ... and now rank them!

@199monter Ай бұрын

Worth mentioning the 1911 is in the 1st editon core rule book in the conpendium weapon section

@thepoorhammerpodcast Ай бұрын

This is the extremely stupid stuff I love learning about early editions.

@199monter Ай бұрын

@@thepoorhammerpodcast best part about it cause i had to look it up the image showing it labels it as "emperor knows"

@Bluecho4 Ай бұрын

@@thepoorhammerpodcast It would be great if you just did an episode talking about stuff you learned reading the 1st ed core book. The Rogue Trader era was wild.

@vxicepickxv Ай бұрын

@Bluecho4 all the old editions had weird rules that are hilarious in hindsight. The old third edition guard codex had rules for a character that let you play top of the first round.

@Nudhul Ай бұрын

His Most Holy fabricator general Johannis Moses Fuscusius's designs transcend millenia

@christianschlogl6295 Ай бұрын

50:10 Hand flamers do/did exist, sort of, kinda. The germans issued them near the of ww2, they were called "Einstossflammenwerfer 46", "Single shot flamethrower"

@un7ucky Ай бұрын

a bottle of hair spray exists

@85blutch Ай бұрын

Just like the HEAT charge on a grenade, it sucked, but the germans tried it. Look for the Panzerwurfmine.

@stefanmeyer2651 Ай бұрын

5:27 funny you mentioned the spas-12....it has a pump action and also semi auto action. It can switch between the two

@gralcz3415 Ай бұрын

its still stupid since nobody in 40k uses less than lethal sells

@MortalWombat047 Ай бұрын

To further that point it was made to service the Italian police force. The semiautomatic fire mode is for regular shells. The pump action is meant for specialized bean bags for less than lethal but it has problems cycling them so you have the pump.

@leadpaintchips9461 Ай бұрын

I was so confused when they said that a pump action can't be semi. I'm a filthy casual when it comes to guns, so I was questioning if my memory slipped somewhere.

@thepoorhammerpodcast Ай бұрын

I expect this to be the most common comment on this video. Last night the patrons listening to the audio episode rushed onto the discord to post this comment several dozen times. There's a LOT more people in the KZfaq comments section so this should be an entertaining drinking game this week.

@gobs379 Ай бұрын

@@thepoorhammerpodcastpickled liver any% speedrun?

@user-dx1lx6vf4n Ай бұрын

In defense of the shotgun. A handful of shotguns nowadays have a pump despite being semi-auto because some shell types don’t output enough energy to cycle the shotgun on its own, requiring the pump. In Darktide the pump is also used to rack a round of specialty ammunition just loaded into the gun.

@jaredpatterson6215 Ай бұрын

It is hilarious that they immediately mentioned the SPAS12 specifically, and don't seem to know that this feature is what brought the gun into prominence.

@scelonferdi Ай бұрын

The way is understand meltas is that they basically fire an uncontained plasma beam/stream (as opposed to a magnetically self containing plasmid in plasma guns) which allows a serious amount of power, but reduces range significantly through dissipation.

@bobthegamingtaco6073 Ай бұрын

So less Plasma Beam, and more Solar Flare gun, gotcha. I still think I'd rather have a regular plasma gun, I don't want to be close enough to know what a melted Ork smells like

@scelonferdi Ай бұрын

@@bobthegamingtaco6073 I guess. It'll still be tighter spread than a typical solar flare though, as there needs to be focussing in the barrel (so that the gun doesn't melt itself).

@user-kt4to5xs9l Ай бұрын

I thought meltas fired microwaves in a condensed cone. Not sure why though

@bobthegamingtaco6073 Ай бұрын

@@user-kt4to5xs9l awh that'd be the worst, you feel your body evaporate except for a cold spot around like, your kidney, then the space marine has to stop firing, spin you 180, and fire again to make sure you microwave properly

@chrismorel8613 Ай бұрын

@@user-kt4to5xs9lnah your not mad, that's the way it was written in 2nd edition wargear manual, I think they kept it as microwave based for a few editions then made up the current bullshit reason they spoke about

@colter4922 Ай бұрын

My favorite description I've heard for boltor rounds is "A rocket propelled Red Bull can that explodes inside you."

@s.k4713 Ай бұрын

In fairness tho a devastator marine can carry a grav-cannon.

@vxicepickxv Ай бұрын

So that's what replaced the Plasma Cannon.

@s.k4713 Ай бұрын

@@vxicepickxv devastators just find any old tank weapon and just rip it off and hip fire it.

@josphenciso7471 Ай бұрын

I know the audacity to not mention the original and not cheating grav cannon wielders

@TheUndeadslayer221 Ай бұрын

"British people don't understand guns" *Johnathan Furgeson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK, would like to know your location*

@Retrosicotte Ай бұрын

The hilarity is he says that...while being utterly incorrect about guns.

@bsuns123123 Ай бұрын

39:52 One of the Tech Priests in 10e has a volkite blaster. I believe it was the Dominus. There were actually a lot of Admech infantry weapons that weren't talked about(mostly from tech priests) such as the Torsion cannon, Transonic cannon, Volkite Blaster, Eradication Ray, Phosphor Serpenta, and Radium Jezzail.

@user-kt4to5xs9l Ай бұрын

I actually expected phosphor weapons to be mentioned. Those things are insane

@TechnologicalShadow 19 күн бұрын

Not mentioning the phosphor blast pistol feels like an oversight to me, that's an alternative to the arc pistol (radium pistol as well, but thats just a radium rifle but small)

@valiepling2082 Ай бұрын

So for the plasma pistol being used as a grenade, there is one other time that comes to mind. In the battle sister VR game, you CAN rapid fire a plasma pistol for 5-10 shots, then you have about 3 seconds to throw it before it explodes.

@LollipopKnight2 Ай бұрын

Also, might just be a matter of being Just That Good. Alpharius might be a relatively physically unimpressive, sneaky git, but he's still a Primarch. Average Astartes, let alone average guardsmen, might just not have the awareness and reaction speed to pull off throwing the pistol at the right time.

@Or_is_it_spelled_Charlie Ай бұрын

Hello it is me! That guy who knows the one unit that can take a plasma cannon! The munitorum servitors can take the plasma cannon. They can also take multimeltas. For 35 points you can get 4 servitors, 2 of which get to be equipped with heavy weapons. You can choose between multi meltas, plasma cannons, and heavy bolters. Bs 6+ does hurt badly, though with the take aim order and heavy keyword you can get it to a more reasonable 4+. With thier special rule of being able to attach to regimental engineseers that are already in a squad you can use these guys to sneak some surprising anti tank into a unit of infantry. Or you can be funny and attach them, plus a command squad to a unit of 20 to drop a slab of 30 models in a unit somewhere on the table. Probably not very viable but it would be funny, just watch out for those blast weapons lol.

@Blu_Wolf64 Ай бұрын

Hey dont forget SM Devestators, they get grav, plasma and Las cannons, heavy bolters, missles, and multi meltas

@Rhangaun Ай бұрын

Deathwing Terminators can take plasma cannons too.

@im_flat Ай бұрын

Deathwing Terms, Scout/Armored Sentinels, Leman Russ Executioners, old box Dreadnoughts and Space Marine Devastator Squads can also take plasma cannons.

@Or_is_it_spelled_Charlie Ай бұрын

@@im_flat sentinels dreadnaughts and certainly leman russes are not infantry? Besides I was never intending to say servitors were the only infantry that could take plasma cannons. The reason I said that I know "The one unit that can take a plasma cannon" is because they said in the video I'm sure there will be a guy in the comments that knows the one infantry unit that can take plasma cannons. I just like goofing around with servitors and was in no way trying to say they were the only unit that could.

@LordEvizul Ай бұрын

Also tactical marines can take 1 per 10 man!

@diggman88 Ай бұрын

There are a couple factions who use heavy stubbers. The Arbites, Chaos Cultists, Genestealers. Typically the guys who don't have easy access to heavy bolters.

@klassensj2 Ай бұрын

And Admech.

@titansquirrel4408 Ай бұрын

In response to the arc pistol segment, I was once on a job (industrial electrician) where a maintenance guy shoved feeder wires (think almost 2" diameter of copper) into a live panel which we had left out of that panel for a very specific reason. What happened after was 480V unfused, passing through all of the metal in the factory safely into the dirt...at first. Fans started swapping rotations, speeding up and down. Lights fixtures started exploding. There was a loud throbbing hum "wum...wum...wum". Then an ear-shattering BOOM! BOOM-BOOM! Walking around the factory, we found three holes in the walls big enough to climb through, the metal charred in globby melted bits where it didn't vaporize, and holes in the dirt where energy had arced out into the ground. Everyone is ok now, but one tech did light on fire and jumped into a waste pool from basically a giant tumbler that turns crystalline silica into a kind of clay. So ya, don't get hit by an arc pistol.

@Sparkyinbozo-xe9fn Ай бұрын

As an AdMech player, I really appreciate the time you took to describe how cool arc weapons are. This edition has been really rough, but that helps.

@lordofhyphens Ай бұрын

Honestly I think arc weapons are an evolution/adaptation of Volkite from 30k that the Mechanicus kept to itself. At least according to lore, many legions used a lot of Volkite chargers as their standard infantry weapon until the Heresy, when the simpler and easier to make Terran bolter took over that slot

@darkroom0716 Ай бұрын

It really has been rough hasnt it

@andrewgurule8749 Ай бұрын

A Claymore isn’t a “shapecharge”. A shapecharge works by superheating a cone of copper with proper standoff from the target, the superheated molten copper creates a jet and punches through armor, a RPG round is a shape charge for example. A Claymore is just a big shotgun shell

@Jfk2Mr Ай бұрын

Big shotgun shell without the barrel

@rudolfvonstrohhalm6948 Ай бұрын

Afaik the copper isn't superheated, it's not molten either, it gets cold-formed by pressure alone

@Jfk2Mr Ай бұрын

@@rudolfvonstrohhalm6948 anyways, it's high pressure and temperature wonk

@joshdedrick6162 Ай бұрын

I want to defend combi-weapons a little based on some old warhammer logic. Back in the day they were once per game weapons that fired using the profile of whatever the combi was (melta, plasma, or flamer) and otherwise were master crafted bolt rifles. They also mostly were just underslung from the barrel of the bolter, and in that way they were the undermounted grenade launcher or undermounted shotgun of 40k. That application was pretty cool I thought, your veteran space marine has gotten good enough with thir bolter that they can use the secondary weapon if the need a little more kick, but it only has enough ammo to do that once. Of course none of that redeems the combi weapon from any of the problems the bolter has to begin with, and the modern implementation is no longer the one shot bonus weapin that I once found cool. Then there's the elephant in the room of GW making a lot of really stupid looking combi weapons, I can't really forgive them for those...

@Ninjat126 Ай бұрын

I guess part of the problem could also be readability on a model. Warhammer weapons are all massively oversized so they're big enough in-scale to have visible & paintable details. "True scale" weapons would be really hard to distinguish from a distance, and older models just wouldn't be able to hold that fine detail.

@lordofhyphens Ай бұрын

30k has two forms of combis. There's the big combi (plasma, melta) that is one-shot. There are minor combis (volkite, flamer, grenade) that can be shot over and over.

@billgrey385 Ай бұрын

I like the Krak grenade as a shaped-charge football. If you get a tight spiral on it, you can keep it facing the right way. Plus, it plays into the whole marine-as-jock aesthetic

@thomasboudreau4246 Ай бұрын

Best description of a melta gun was flesh and steel? Correct me if I'm wrong, from the warhammer crime series. Describes it as basically a super microwave gun that stimulates heat in everything in a beam in front of it. There's a great scene where someone just got vaporized by it in a small room and a main character thinks "if I breathe, I'll inhale superheated particles of John and destroy my lungs"

@Dovakhin94 Ай бұрын

You are absolutely right. That was such an intense description of a melta.

@federationprime Ай бұрын

That's how it works in Baneblade/Shadowsword as well, an infantryman uses it to heat up a drink in what one character remarks to be an incredibly dangerous move.

@TheblggestBill Ай бұрын

First Bricky playing with Heavenly and now Poorhammer refrencing RussianBadger, these crossovers are getting crazy for me

@AsuraBoss Ай бұрын

And MikeBurnFire with the gun rants.

@gobbothegreen1662 Ай бұрын

The comment on the heavy bolter filling a kind of niche of a between rocket rocket launcher and machine gun after shitting on what is the irl equivalent of that midpoint did get me, good job finally one of these that actually got me a little mad.

@Jason-fb1gc Ай бұрын

Boltor rounds also explode on contact, so that makes up for however "small" brad thinks they are.

@NemesisMinis Ай бұрын

They burrow into a target first as their "mass reactive"

@danielhart7540 Ай бұрын

14:42 to hear a physicist say " nookyelar"

@bobthegamingtaco6073 Ай бұрын

I don't normally get angry over nerd stuff, I find a lot of the star wars hate funny, but that pronunciation put every fiber of my being into assault mode lol

@karlmbeal Ай бұрын

i remember reading a quote about the lasgun I will paraprhase because I can't find it. "The standard lasgun is capable of killing 90% of creatures in the Galaxy in 1 shot. Unfortunately all of them have been killed and we are left with the other 10% now"

@TOOTHBRUSHDUCK Ай бұрын

I actually think the inferno pistol is fairly sensible, but it's not a battlefield weapon. It's for people like inquisitors who will be doing up close discussions with a wide range of targets, and really benefit from having a pistol that if they quickdraw and fire right, can take out a terminator in one go. Also, I honestly find it harder to believe that those bolter rounds would be the good option against xenos more than marines, or at least as much as marines. It only seems like it'd be good against normal humans, and kinda alright against Orks, except orks don't often care they have limbs blown off. Combi weapons are one I like the idea of far more than the practical form. They're like an underbarrel shotgun or grenade launcher, able to give a extra capability without changing weapon. Except almost all of them are designed horribly. Flamers I think the pistol is almost more sensible than the heavy, at least if you connect it to an actual backpack fuel reserve, like irl war flamerthrowers. Then you just have a lighter, easier to handle nozzle for the same effect. But the mid size flamer hits the best spot for having fuel to fire without requiring a backpack. I do think a lot of weapons in 40k suffer from having a standardised performance against all the races, logic be damned. Most often obvious with necrons, being weird super robots made of regenerating metal

@user-kt4to5xs9l Ай бұрын

For bolter rounds I know there are several varieties, but during the heresy era I don’t think many xenos races they fought had heavy armor. I know some human empires did and that led to heavy casualties for the astartes. But most aliens didn’t seem to have the armor needed to resist bolters. I could be wrong

@Ninjat126 Ай бұрын

As the joke goes: everything in 40k can survive bolter rounds, because anything a bolter could kill was driven extinct back in 30k.

@petararmbruster5039 Ай бұрын

While the Inferno pistol is a bit.... odd, as an unlucky inquisitor faced with a chaos terminator, or a lonely space marine looking at a Venom crawler id be THRILLED i grabbed an inferno pistol over a laspistol/boltpistol , as its basically a handcannon, the 40k Deagle

@Ninjat126 Ай бұрын

Inferno pistols have always struck me as more of an anti-Lictor thing than an anti-tank thing.

@leadpaintchips9461 Ай бұрын

Ya, the only people that I've seen even consider those options in the lore are people either using them to flex (because they're rare and expensive) or someone having it in case they're going to go against a walking tank (like an Inquisitor or named character) like your examples.

@Ninjat126 Ай бұрын

"I'm just here to interrogate the commissars about possible mutiny and now there's an Ork nob barreling towards me with a chainsaw-axe in each hand, I want this problem to go away Right Now."

@eXpriest Ай бұрын

It's not a "I need to delete that tank," weapon, it's a "I need to delete that guy," weapon.

@Rabarbarzynca Ай бұрын

Inferno Pistol is an equivalent of having pistol-sized Panzerfaust. Huh. It sounds pretty cool, actually. Orky-cool, that is.

@elroyscout Ай бұрын

The way Meltas are described, they sound more like what an anti-tank rocket does to tanks; There's basically a shaped charge usually covered with copper, so when it blows; it propels a thin jet of molten copper into the target and does... well what you expect molten metal does to squishy crewmembers. I would imagine a supercharged goober of napalm would do rather horrifying things to the crew if it penetrates... or is used on exposed infantry.

@fleshdog5931 Ай бұрын

Fun Fact: Krak grenades are basically real (even thought the 40k depiction isn't very good), in WW2 multiple nations had HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) grenades i.e. RPG-43.

@Coraxery Ай бұрын

I feel Berelio's pain, you're doing the work of the emperor dude

@devunit2369 Ай бұрын

Almost struck by lightning twice, and can confirm. It is near-shit-your-pants, life flashing before your eyes, terrifying.

@CityofLight11 Ай бұрын

The funny thing is that Star Wars blasters are all plasma weapons, not lasers.

@TheLostPrimarch2nd Ай бұрын

Boltguns: the literal most polivolent weapons in the Lore. You need to kill hordes? Metalstorm ammunition. You have robots to kill? Haywire ammo. You want to kill astartes? Get some Vengeance rounds! Need to kill Nids? Well, Hellfire ammo for YOU. You want anything dead? Take this Darkstar ammo to shoot black holes. Oh, you need to kill ACTUAL demons? WHERE DID I PUT THE BLESSED SILVER BOLT ROUNDS? Best gun, because as long as I got the ammon for it, I call kill anything.

@noahgassler746 Ай бұрын

Fun fact, on the Tartaros terminator kit, the heavy flamer is in fact side-by-side instead of over-under, and has two igniters, which makes SO much more sense imo.

@danielhart7540 Ай бұрын

Typical T Sons W

@UpToSpeedOnJaguar Ай бұрын

The remark on the "oh yeah i still have my stubber" hit so hard for me lol. I play knights, and its somehow never the heavy weapons on my armigers that make the final blow, its always that singular stubber mounted on their back.

@danielhuck6312 Ай бұрын

Ah, my hyperfixation, GUN

@Dovorans Ай бұрын

The closest thing to a Krak grenade that saw common use is probably the Soviet RKG-3 which was a hand held antitank grenade that pops out a merry little parachute when thrown so it falls on the armor in the correct orientation. It was rapidly superseded, because surprisingly troops don't appreciate when their grenades come with drag devices making them *harder* to throw a safe distance.

@BoneTrait Ай бұрын

I think a great interpretation of the boltgun is in Darktide: It’s completely impractical, it kicks like an elephant, either overkills the shit out of infantry or does nothing, and then runs out of ammo in like 3 seconds. C-tier in use, S-tier in concept lmao.

@indy_com Ай бұрын

I gotta say that Old Dante's Melta Pistol is the worst designed melta Pistol I've seen on a model. The Sisters of Battle one looks more like an actual Pistol at least. Also, as a Thousand Sons player hearing "Inferno" used to describe a 40k gun makes me think of our version of Bolt weapons and it always makes me double take. Also Re: Plasma Cannons Dark Angels Terminators can take them as of their recent codex launch, and they got a new model to go with it. So yes, there is a (non-devatstator) unit which can carry those.

@sammynichols5926 Ай бұрын

the British slander was wild in this episode

@thepoorhammerpodcast Ай бұрын

Thank you, it's what we do.

@mediocreswiss7609 Ай бұрын

Slander must necessarily be untrue, I would believe anything negative about brits to be true

@TheScotty1122 Ай бұрын

FANTASTIC episode. I would LOVE to see this done for Chaos and Xenos guys! You guys are killing it!

@vxicepickxv Ай бұрын

Xenos would be the most wild list. Near light speed shurikens, squigs, whatever the hell tyranids have. Plus you have GSC guard weapons and the demolition charge.

@krankarvolund7771 Ай бұрын

"The amount of energy that would be needed to power a normal lasgun would be enormous" Remember, you can recharge a lasgun battery by throwing it in your firecamp ^^

@Baldus-the_bald_guy Ай бұрын

"brother, get the flamer, the HEAVY flamer" *maniacal laughter ensues*.

@zombayz Ай бұрын

So, for some fun nerding (y'all absolutely called that us gun nerds would happen to this episode), the bolter is a basically 19mm rocket assisted high explosive round. With a rocket assisted projectile, the rocket isn't there to increase the velocity so much as sustain the velocity, meaning what would otherwise be a big fat projectile that loses velocity quickly can actually go way goddamned farther than it should. Accounting for warhammer space magic, you're basically looking at a 20x82mm shell from and MG FF autocannon effective at far longer ranges than it should be, being fired out of a handgun or rifle

@Cadigan1 Ай бұрын

Arc pistol being so high is criminal, thing looks like a child's toy.

@DragonsHoardOfPlastic Ай бұрын

10:00 I can vouch for the absurdity of lightning strikes. Had one hit across the street from me while I was at a stop light, and it felt like I'd been punched. The traffic lights went out for a few seconds too, and my car radio lost its signal. It was awesome 👌

@MeredithLikely Ай бұрын

38:04 I run a Dark Heresy game (warhammer ttrpg) and explained it this way because my players asked questions lmao. This happens often, it has become most of my job as a GM to fill in holes left by GW.

@dogf421 Ай бұрын

for the inferno pistol, maybe it is actually meant to mostly be used as a breacher, cause melta weapons kinda turn things into lava so it can be used as something between a bullet and an explosion for breaking weaker barriers if you have fireproof armor, which sounds like a good use for a sidearm if it is already intended for closer ranges where breaching without exploding yourself might be helpful. tldr i think the inferno pistol is a shotgun with extra steps

@lordofhyphens Ай бұрын

Sororitas Seraphim dual wield inferno pistols

@sHinobu2969 Ай бұрын

As a Salamanders player I get both the love for flamers and the People getting sick of you auto-hitting every shooting phase, "You're going to overwatch me again aren't you?" "Yes, Yes I am"

@rudinipl4012 Ай бұрын

For AdMecha weapons - see Mechanicus game, its a great depiction with beautifull sound effects

@complexemotions338 Ай бұрын

The pump on a full auto shotgun exists so you can still use rounds that aren't explosive enough to reset the bolt. You'll see this on guns like the SPAS-12 (it's semi auto, but has a pump). There are other reasons for the pump to exist, but it existing on a full auto gun isn't the worst from a realism standpoint. Oh my god, they just mentioned the SPAS-12 despite it being an example of what they were complaining about.

@Ruggedtoaster Ай бұрын

Yeah but it still sucks, just like the SPAS-12. And the space marine shotgun is somehow even uglier.

@Omega1907 Ай бұрын

Concerning Meltas: I think of it more a heretical crossbreed of a flamer (promethium as fuel/projectile) and a hollow charge (concentrating it into a beam). That could also somewhat explain the really short range - even compared to the plasma weapons.

@Bjorn_IronBall Ай бұрын

Rad combine being D tier is honestly so sad

@klassensj2 Ай бұрын

Technically there are 4 volkite weapons in 40k. For now. The Tech-Priest Dominus has a volkite blaster; The Questoris Knight Styrix has a volkite chierovile; The Knight Abominant has a volkite combustor; And the aforementioned Liuetenant has the neo volkite. In addition multiple legends' models has access to volkite weapons.

@mojolotz Ай бұрын

Just to be clear: If you WANT TO... you can make a semiautomatic pump action shotgun.

@MatchaBarnes Ай бұрын

Listened to this on my way to work.... then i realized i gotta watch the video to see all the jokes. Curse you editor for making me listen/watch twice!

@MemekingJag Ай бұрын

Excited for the melee weapon tierlist, where they can finally review all fourty thousand warhammers

@DetectiveLance Ай бұрын

Even in the far future, John Moses Browning's Ma Deuce 50 is still in an arms locker somewhere lol

@colinjustice420 Ай бұрын

Having played the Rouge Trader crpg I can confirm that heavy subbers can kill gods. Atleast until they nerfed rapid fire no idea after that.

@leadpaintchips9461 Ай бұрын

TBF both the heavy stubber and the heavy bolter can kill gods in the Sisters (or properly built Rogue Traders) hands. Also TBF any companion/main character can kill whole sectors with a casual building towards optimization in that game.

@SockimusPrime Ай бұрын

Agree on the inferno pistol take. I *love* meltaguns. My Kill Team experience with them has been pointing them at space marines and telling my opponent to take them off the table. But the inferno pistol is just kinda dumb. Not only are you downsizing a tank-buster weapon, but it’s so puny that by the time you’re in range, you might as well shank the bastard with a power sword.

@user-kt4to5xs9l Ай бұрын

It’s less a tank buster and more terminator killer

@IamtheWV17 12 күн бұрын

Tell that to my starstorm duelist.... he's going to sprint from cover slide through your legs and put a fusion beam through your gooch before you can even soil yourself 😂

@zoeith6 Ай бұрын

I found this channel like a week ago and have binge watched like half the videos. Love Eric and Brad!

@wonderiferoustea Ай бұрын

I love the way this episode goes. 1. Fake thing "Here's how this space magic works." 2. Real thing "Clearly, this could not work in real life."

@Ropsuguy Ай бұрын

Heavy weapon squads dont have heavy stubbers, but you did fail to mention their missile launcher when talking about missiles.

@richardpearce234 Ай бұрын

I think he was thinking of the Krieg/traitor guard heavy stubber teams ForgeWorld used to make. The Krieg one is two Heavy Stubbers mounted beside eachother on a wheeled carriage and the heretic one is straight up an mg42.

@InsertCoin007 Ай бұрын

Tau episode is needed so we can all talk about how all the railguns are the best weapons.

@dudeinthesuit2 Ай бұрын

The videos keep getting so much better guys! Was a Spotify listener but now have moved over here. Keep up the great work!

@SgtBeltfed Ай бұрын

The Krak grenade actually exists as described in real life, and in some form has been used since at least 1940, and is still in use today. It's basically a shaped charge on a stick, that you hopefully can throw at a tank before it runs you over, and if it does work, hopefully you've managed to get behind cover before you get ripped to shreds by fragments from your own grenade. If you remember the old "Death or Glory" rule from earlier 40K editions, that's basically what real life grenades like the RKG-3 were made for.

@shaunlavalley1131 Ай бұрын

Infantry unit with Plasma Canon? The first one that comes to mind is the Devastator Squad for the firstborn space marines, they were/are the unit that can bring all the big guns for space marines. We have yet to see a real equivalent in the primaris range.

@josphenciso7471 Ай бұрын

The same happened with the grav cannon it pissed me lol

@melonman9017 Ай бұрын

Hello, Volkite lover here You said that it was an anti-light vehicle and only the Neo-Volkite was around anymore. That is not entirely right, Volkite was mainly an anti infantry weapon and the admech has some Volkite for one of their HQ. Lastly it is not really too similar to plasma, due to it being a beam weapon that heats the target to the point it combusts into flame

@CollinBuckman Ай бұрын

Yeah the big main thing with Volkite is that it instantly vaporizes flesh, and can even cause an explosion when fired at an unarmored or lightly armored enemy from that reaction.

@TheStreetad Ай бұрын

It's a Martian heat-ray from War of the Worlds that you can use as a sidearm. What's not to like?

@Xander101 Ай бұрын

"I have no reason to have that many assault cannons". Join the Deathwatch my friend, run 3 of them per 5 models!

@crzapyb1937 Ай бұрын

Great episode. Probably my favorite ranking. Can't wait for ork guns.

@ashton7742 Ай бұрын

Mfw no Adrathic guns or the custodes revolver.

@LordCrate-du8zm Ай бұрын

Custodes _revolver?_ I didn't know they were packing the Big Irons on their hips.

@tuskedclover3308 Ай бұрын

@@LordCrate-du8zmThe swiftness of the Custodes were still talked about today

@gnoblin2528 Ай бұрын

I now will be sad every time there’s no age of sigmar episode. Will still watch all the episodes tho!

@verbugterherrderdunkelheit6086 Ай бұрын

That's a sad life if you expect each episode to do one of their side topics

@-fidget-1548 Ай бұрын

Iv never really been into podcasts and I tryed adepts ridicules and it wasn’t me, but you guys have something that just spoke to me. Thanks for being you guys

@caioprado9380 Ай бұрын

I love the lascannon for the idea of 2 regular dudes one shoting a space marine

@SonofRuss95 Ай бұрын

You kept mentioning the gyrojet concept. Some mad lad in the 1960s actually made a gyrojet gun. Literally called a Gyrojet Gun. Here is a link of one being used: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9Fon6horbGtn6c.htmlsi=CtKJ8YAEFRFqF4BL. You compared the Arquebus rifle to the Ottomans from Age of Empire. They actually stole the whole idea from the Ottoman's weapon system. It was called an Arquebus by the ottomans too. Also, monopods are still used today. Usually for muzzleloaders. They can be found at most outdoor/hunting stores. Don't fix what isn't broken I guess.

@LordCrate-du8zm Ай бұрын

TIL we basically invented the entire Mechanicus unknowingly.