Shout out to Lord Jamar for bringin these brothas together to spread truth, it's way too many Hip Hop "legends" out here that's lettin tha BS fester

Busta Rhymes' comments are what really got to me. He was speaking as if we had no concept of rhythm and cadence before Jamaicans came along. How does a people who created Blues, Jazz, Rock n Roll and RHYTHM and Blues not possess thise two qualities? Black American pastors suddenly developed their style of speaking after Herc arrived? There aren't videos decades prior to the 70s showing black Americans doing what are essentially breakdancing moves? Busta must've had some mind blowing pum pum with how much he was sucking up to Latinos

One of the best conversations regarding the history of Hip-Hip I’ve seen/heard.

People keep calling Hip Hop, rap. Rap is a part of Hip Hop, it is not Hip Hop itself.

I already saw the whole program, I just stopped by to give the video segment a Like. "Brand Nubian!!!!" Lord Jamar stepped up!

Raheim is in the top 4 of MC pioneers along with Mel, Moe Dee, and CAZ. Highly underated. Go study his work or you'll be wack.

I'm from Philly and I'm enjoying the conversation and documentation of the music that I love and hold dear because it is the soundtrack of of some of the best times in my life. When the 5% nation was removed as the standard of hip-hop it began to degrade literally overnight.

This is so important to document with the actual letter living legends that created and birthed the culture.

People are confusing Attendance & Contribution with “CREATION” We love all our people from the African diaspora but there’s no need to make false claims let’s keep the unity this is just another way to separate!

Hold all liars responsible. They should apologize publicly and get dismissed from hip-hop for pushing a lying narrative to discredit us in America. Our culture is under attac_k by our own whom has benefited greatly. Mad respect to the original brothers in this video setting the record straight.

Kool herc didn't start hip Hop, but he did play Music in the park, just like other cities DJ's played in the park in the early 1970's.

Rahiem calls Grandmaster Flowers a "disco Dj" (Flowers wasn't a disco dj), but The Furious 5, Kurtis Blow, The Sugar Hill Gang and the rest of hip hop groups who first starting making records, all made records rhyming over disco music or disco type music

this made me so happy, PEACE TO THE GODS!

Rahiem set the standard for TJ Swan and Nate Dogg. He could have even been apart of the Force MD's... The unfortunate truth is, the "Disco" DJ's don't get their props for influencing Hip-Hop because as teens weren't allowed in the clubs. GM Caz even admits that he was to young to go to Herc's parties. So, if Caz was too young, then he couldn't see Pete DJ Jones using 2 turntables, who GM Flash in his autobiography credits Jones with teaching him how to mix. Jone's later credits Flash with taking it to the next level with looling. That's how history is suppose to work where you give credit where credit is due. Early pioneers talked about Hip-Hop as if it was formed in a vacuum and now50 years later it has roots outside of what was going on before and simultaneously. Shout out to DJ Hollywood and the other prodgenies!

Yessss we need these things documented ASAP while our legends are still here to tell us before "they" REALLYYYYYY take our shit.. I can imagine the story of HIP Hop told 60,70,75 years from now 🤦🏿‍♂️

And Flash was a record boy dancing and studying DJ Smokey at his house parties on Grant Ave...

6:16 This solo by Rahiem is probably the Best RnB, Soul, Gospel, Funk, Pop, Hip-Hop, Rap Deliveries Ever!!!

EVERYONE TRY TO STEAL OUR SHIT!!! FAT JOE LIKE EM YOU ARE A GUEST IN HIP HOP!!! STOP THE DISRESPECT!!!

10:57 Quite frankly if old school hip hop pioneers have been hearing incorrect info for 40-50 years they should have set the record straight and stopped the disrespect a long time ago.

Peace to Lord Jamar for going to the root of how this culture was actually made. Hip-Hop is the fruit of Black life in North America no matter what era of time it is appropriated by others.

Rahiem is the father of Treach and Wesley Pipes

My favorite Rubie D line : Hey Rubie D is my name and I'm a puertorican, you might think I'm black by the way that I'm speakin. ALL THESE MEN ARE LEGENDS. Let the TRUTH be TOLD !! By the way, Prince Whipper Whip and Dotta Rock are the ORIGINAL SALT AND PEPPER MC'S !!

I want to thank the beloved Lord Jamar for setting the remixed record straight beloved. This is the definition of representing. Peace Gs.

Don’t forget about the black spades from Bronxdale. Those black American kids started the culture of Hip-Hop. A lot of them are still around. Hip-Hop didn’t start in 1971 exactly. It was being organically created in the late 60’ into the 70’s. You had DJ’s like King Mario doing breaks before Kool Herc.

Rahiem was the first MC to say long form rhymes that told stories. He was so dope that other MC's had to follow what he was doing or get left behind. He is not credited for changing the game. The crowd would roar after he said rhyme and them hit them with the punch line.

This debate gave you some really good content.

Yo, I am glad Rahiem talked about being the first MC to sing on the mic. I forgot all about the singing on Flash on the Beat Box and was thinking all these years it was G Man from the Crash Crew.

Love strong honest dialogue. Shout out to these Puerto Rican pioneers for being pioneers and and helping to translate the real fruits of our culture to their people. Unfortunately some have chosen to be intentionally dishonest but there are some PR riders out there like these gentlemen and hiphop scholars. Guys who paved the way and don't really get that much love from their own community for being pioneers unless there's a check involved. Now they gotta push the narrative while trying to leave these guys out continually which really debunks the narrative.

Fba's created hip hop but that's irrelevant cause the almighty smallHats controls it

I got my hands on the tapes from my people in NY all the way to Augusta GA. I was the plug 😂😂😂😂

DJ Mario was completed left out of his depiction of the start of hip hop. Before Bronx River, there was Bronxdale where Bam, Theodore, and Herc got their education on hip hop culture. Herc himself stated he learned FBA culture by going to parties in Murphy projects in the bronx before he even picked up a turntable.

Tell Rahiem, Disco is the bastard child of Funk and Hip Hop is the bastard child of Disco. Thats a fact.

Absolutely nothing from hip hop comes from Puerto Rican or Jamaican culture. We don't have to debate the music, comes straight from funk. Toasting comes from a Black American folkloric oral tradition called "toast-telling" and there are records of it going back to 1919. you can see this in the Journal of American Folklore 1919-jul-sep vol. 32 iss. 125 in an entry by Portia Smiley called Folk-Lore from Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. She asks a young boy about toasting and he replies that it's done "just fo pass de time". Toasts are also discussed in the 1964 book "Deep down in the Jungle: Black American Folklore from the Streets of Philadelphia by Roger D. Abrahams.

This conversation needs to be had on the Breakfast Club.

Dope 🔥 I rocked the mic with Kool Herc at the T Connection and Mean Gean at the Ecstacy Garage and Grandmaster Flowers in Brooklyn I'm so Hip Hop 👊🏾

needed that actual history. Thanks. Valuable content.

The FBA Rappers need to get together and create their own documentary. Ice Cube is a Director. I just don't understand how Puerto Ricans/Jamaicans can say they created hip-hop when the Black Southern Baptist Preachers have been rapping forever!! Rhyming their sermons and religious sayings, with the church in call-and-response mode with that soul-clap to GOSPEL music. PR are Catholic - rhyming, call-and-response and that soul-clap to Gospel music is not part of the Catholic church or their culture.

This panel is official tissue! Akademiks I hope your tuned in and learn to respect these living pioneers throwing GEMS at us!✊️✌️

Kool Herc had a dj name Jay Cee who was as good if not better than Grandmaster Flash back then.

I love this for y’all… Jamar, Whip, Silk, Raheem and Dee peace to y’all and all the true innovators creators of HipHop

In the 70s in New York Puerto Rican influence was everywhere especially in the South Bronx. Blacks and Ricans grew up together, Hip Hop was not made overnight Hip Hop is a evolution of everything that was happening in the Bronx.

Thanks for this upload... It's definitely needed these days to show and remind people of the truth in rap /hip hop music... ✌️ 🙏

Rap and Hip-Hop are both Black AmericanDOS creations, however they're two different things with different histories. Ninety nine percent of the time when people say Hip-Hop what they really mean is Rap, the "Hip-Hop" term needs to be fazed out when discussing music. Technically, Hip-Hop is a youth movement that was birthed in the Bronx and died there. The Hip-Hop term has been misused and thrown around loosely and inappropriately for decades, it's caused confusion and that's one of the reasons Rap doesn't have a proper standard history as a music genre. You don't associate the creation of Blues or Jazz with any type of separate youth or cultural movement so why would you do it with Rap?

Yo Sun, chocolo and Moreno are not bad words! Y'all twisted it to fit your narrative!! There were sprinkles of Puerto Ricans? C'mon man stop. Why y'all don't have power rules on the panel? It wasn't our thing? We were involved and part of it. I was there I saw it evolve!!! 💯🇵🇷 L.E.S.

I feel like all the pioneer's from the beginning should start writing there books & and contribution to hip-hop, cause each and every one has a different history of when and how they came into the hip-hop scene, and i find it very interesting to read and hear there story. It was all for the Love of the culture.

Grandmaster Theordore said he Learn how to scratch by himself and not Flash. Look up Grandmaster Theordore on how he invented scratching.

I so wish that they brought up the disrespect of one DJ AKADEMIKS, who has been on a tear disrespecting "old rappers" for "not managing their business", when he obviously does not know that the early days of the music (especially Hip Hop, which didn't even have a name yet) industry were shady, mafia connected, drug dealer financed and Jewish controlled. Bottom line. DJ Akademiks wouldn't have survived with that mouth of his in the early days of hot house parties in Bronx, Brooklyn, Harlem and Queens basements. DJ AKADEMIKS is a CLOWN 🤡

Much love to Lord Jamar and a Major thanks to Rahiem for explaining the contributions of Grandmaster Flash & Grand Wizzard Theodore in an elegant way. He didn’t detract from the greatness of anyone but clarified for us all. God bless & pray that Kid Creole gets free soon

If Hip Hop has a start date it would be 1968 with Pigmeat Markham song Here Comes the Judges. If it has a place it would be Bronxdale the people would be the Black Spades and FBA young men between the ages of 9 to 16 who wanted to break dance to break beats. Disco King Mario gave flash and bam their first chance to DJ. The music was based on Jazz Soul R& B and Funk. Herc played James Brown records with drummer Clyde Stubblefield drum breaks. Vocalist writers producers and musicians create music not DJs they only play music. herc or any immigrants had nothing to do with the creation of Hip Hop. Imagine someone taking Lord Jamar lyrics loop them then say they created music. Ricans were the first non Black fans they created nothing they pioneered nothing the contributed nothing. They were just fans in small numbers.

GW Theodore didn't appreciate Rahiem down playing his role in hiphop!

This is a real circle. I only wish these things could take place in person in a town hall setting with young rappers invited to both LISTEN and partake with questions later.

Is it possible for a brother to do an interview w\o rolling and smoking a blunt.

he didn't even mention disco king mario, Kool dj dee or Tyrone the Mixologist (who passed away last week) who were all making bboy music and had ppl snapping on the mic before kool herc and flash...nor did he mention the black spades who created breakdancing which comes from THE SPADE DANCE and a lot of the other aspects of hiphop like getting fly & getting money, or bronxdale projects.... so he fails.

Whip and the other Spanish man don't like this conversation 😂😂The look totally out of place and uncomfortable 🤣🤣

I didn’t know funky 4 + 1 more rhyme style proceeded the furious. I thought sha was biting creole. This is crazy. Y’all gotta battle again after this lol smh. Free creole mane rip cowboy

Some of you all putting the Disco DJs down but they Play the Breakbeats, extending the Breakbeats, played two copies of the same Breakbeats, Blending, Mixing, back spinning, scratching, cutting, needle drop, and DJing with Two turntables sometimes turntables. The so called Disco DJs were doing all these DJ skills before herc, flash, and baambaata.

I thought Eminem started hiphop lol just kidding thanks for these OG guests setting things straight

Raheim is speaking opinion not actual facts this is just speculation.

This is why lord jamar is needed the culture was under attack and everybody scared to speak up

I'm glad Raheem broke it down like that.

B-boys came later in the 1970's, when the parks were happening, it was just the DJ's. Break down early, Middle and late 1970's Rapping.

Moreno just means brown is not a derogatory term, cocolo is, but that is more so a term used by Dominicans not so much Puerto Ricans. The argument is not wether or not Puerto Ricans were the creators of hip-hop , but wether or not they were there at the beginning, and by default I think that they were.

RAHIEM, YOU said Grandmaster Theodore may Have seen flash do something may cause.

What a lot don't know is Rahiem is multi talented Musically Singing and creating music. Many of these brothers are.

All y'all need to put some respect on Pigmeat Markham's name. Word!

My thing is, why now?....for the last 40 yrs noone was disputing the claim of kool herc being the godfather, the one who created hip hop....nobody had a word to say, now all of a sudden there is confusion about the origin of the culture ?...smh

Grandmaster Theodore said flash did not teach him had to Scratch, or DJing Skills Period.

The culture came outta the black power movement of the 60s and 70s against segregation against social injustice, black is beautiful talented jive talking. All of was rapping since the 1930s thought 70s

peace and respect legends pioneers

Peace, that episode hit me like a plus degree! Power breakdown on the podcast.

Feel my arm, got the chills..... Hip Hop Just Don't Stop

are they talking about Hip-hop or Rap culture?

I THINK . Crazy legs & Rob swift first need to LOOK at this video THEN LISTEN & LEARN. Salute to the OWNERS, the CREATORS & MAKERS of EVERYTHING. Yet discredited & stolen . Lastly being of African descent but BORN in a country speaking a EUROPEAN language (SPANISH) how does that make you LATIN or HISPANIC. This is for the Rob Swift types . I GUESS you’re ONLY ‘BLACK’ when you’re born in an ENGLISH speaking country hmm 🤔

James E West who is a black American invented the microphone. his technology is in all of the digital devices used for speaking . Black Americans fathered all of them

I can’t see how New York can have a conversation about the origins of Hip Hop without including Philly

Rap/Boy has evolved into Hip Hop once it went nationally and mainstream. Grandmaster flash was different from the earlier 1970's.

Yo I'm 56 & I didn't know rahiem sang my favorite hip hop r&b blend

STEVIE D force MD did that too Rahim probably did it on wax first, But STEVIE was the GOAT at that facts,

8:17 😂😂😂😂😂a lot of old school moms wasn’t trying to hear that

"Rahiem in all the Ladies dreams..."

What about my Dad? He taught flash & Clyde how to DJ?

@9:37 super history from Rahiem begins

Kangol from UTFO was singing/rapping back in the early 80’s too!

AnD aLL The TiMe I ThoughT ThaT Was KiD CReoLe SinGin' ThoSe MJ PaRTS. 🤦🏾 SaLuTe RahieM. 💯

Salute to a legend. I'm a day one fan. You had got good parents for you to know who he is Salute to

Raheim and mobb deep’s prodigy (r.i.p.) look spitting image facial wise. And even outlived his younger predecessor

What elements did they bring here that was not already here? I'll wait..

i agree with that. my moms lived in the bronx during the 70s.. it was MOSTLY black, with SOME puerto ricans/maybe other latinos sprinked in there that were jamming to hip hop.. . MOST latinos were into salsa or disco. My uncles were disco heads, they tell me stories of getting into knife fights in clubs during the 70s in NYC. my AUNTS liked hip hop. THERE WERE SOME latinos there. why is that so hard to accept? and it IS mostly black ppl that started it. Hip hop is STREET music and guess what.. LATINOS ARE IN THE STREET.

Because you had a Puerto Rican friend don't mean they helped in creating hip-hop! so miss me with all that babbling.

I came back to this video to say, THE HIP-HOP DOCUMENTARY IS ALMOST HERE!! I hope all 5 of these brothers are in it! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 Big ups to Tariq Nasheed! Lord Jamar keep killing em! PEACE! 🙏🏾

We need to call all the A&R's out by name also that enabled record labels to control HIPHOP Music which eventually forced artists and music oroducers to compromise their talents.

16:15. Very important.

The fact that lord Jamar is the young man out the group he said he grew up listening to them is gold because lord Jamar is a elder so the fact that the people he brought he they young bo this knowledge needs to be appreciated.

The irony of all this is that those who pushing FBA don’t realize that the title says “Black” people. The people in the Caribbean are Black people! And it’s in the lessons right Lord Jamar? Columbus discovered the Indians here who were also original people, that is BLACK! People fail to realize Columbus never set foot on North American mainland, he was strictly hopping around the Caribbean islands! The lessons say he found North America and the Caribbean‘s are part of North America! And no doubt, the KNOWLEDGE (5th element of hip hop) is the KEY to what made the mainland black Americans special, but they got the KOS from a dude from the middle east! These FBA bots need to stop acting like they created everything! Because they didn’t. WHERE THE GODS AT??!

The so call Disco DJs had the DJ skills and DJ techniques before and herc, flash, and baambaata.

Realizing the ppl we grew up with the hoods of nyc dont really fuck with us puerto ricans, and they look at us as vultures is crazy to me and sad at same time... all these vids being put out to discredit puerto ricans in the culture is crazy smh.. sad days in hip hop.

fuckin Whipper whip??? Ruby Dee??? these emcees are Fucking LEGENDS!!!!! These dudes been around for easily 4 decades man holy shit!!!💯💯💯💯💯💯 To make it short go watch Wild Style, they're in the movie💯💯💯

22:30 Never knew. Legendary !!!!

I remember meeting Wild Style Whipper Whip on North Island, San Diego while in the Navy.

Had to rewatch this right here! Id rather listen to the ACTUAL people who were there!!!! Not a so called "Teacher of Hip Hop" who's been telling inaccurate information for YEARSSSSS!