Some people say that other people say that rapiers cannot cut. But are people saying that? And can all rapiers cut? And cut what? Can they cut well? Let's discuss swords. Extra videos on Patreon: / scholagladiatoria
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@IPostSwords4 жыл бұрын
I am glad you clarified at the end that some rapiers indeed cannot cut. Lets not forget how popular square and hexagonal section blades were, especially on things like taza. We don't want to risk people doing a 180 on the "rapiers can't cut myth" and claiming "all rapiers can cut". As you say, "Context"
@NevetsTSmith4 жыл бұрын
It's too late. Rapiers are the new katana, I've seen a man chop a tank in half with a rapier.
@davidtuttle75564 жыл бұрын
@Max PaineWas it a rapier? Or was it a 1796 light cavalry sabre? God help us if it proves to be the spadroon.
@NevetsTSmith4 жыл бұрын
@Max Paine Undoubtedly thrusting whilst shouting his deafening battle cry "Have at you, good sir!"
@jordanwilliams69724 жыл бұрын
Aren't hexagonal sections decent at cutting?
@IPostSwords4 жыл бұрын
@@jordanwilliams6972 depends how broad the blade is. A flattened hexagonal section on a broad cutting blade? Works fine. A 10mm wide hexagonal blade with distal taper from 8mm to 4mm? Not a good cutter
@krillissue4 жыл бұрын
*rapier swordsman on the gallows* : I can't believe rapiers can't do everything! *katana swordsman* : First time?
@KenderGuy2 жыл бұрын
Is that not like comparing a musket and an S&W 6-shot revolver?
@grafsideonepolishguyharo1988 Жыл бұрын
lol
@Jacob-W-55704 жыл бұрын
I always love it when Matt pulls out random swords from outside the frame, usually swords I've never seen before. I'm always under the impression there are just dozens of swords around in Matts home.
@PXCharon4 жыл бұрын
I can't help but visualize a thigh high pile of edged weapons just out of frame, with a single path between the camera and the wall for him to pace back and forth.
@PXCharon4 жыл бұрын
Like a ball pit, but swordy.
@Moricant4 жыл бұрын
Having seen several prior incarnations of Matt’s home, you’re not wrong.
@ieyasumcbob4 жыл бұрын
Bag of holding off camera
@PXCharon4 жыл бұрын
Mimics disguised as spadroons
@KevDaly4 жыл бұрын
I'm gratified to know there was a weapon people could've have resorted to in the case of a terrifying silk handkerchief uprising
@edstringer11384 жыл бұрын
Exactly my opinion of the rapier. Throw on some armor and get inside the reach with your own weapon . . It is the sword version of the WWI bayonette.
@psychedashell4 жыл бұрын
I believe the people of the era referred to the weilders of the silk handkerchiefs as "Fops". That said, it wasn't an uprising, they were already in charge.
@PJDAltamirus04254 жыл бұрын
I just got a hilarous image in my head of a reknowned swordsman showing his cutting prowess by slicing silk napkins out of a large silk sheet hanging from a clothesline.
@joeplaice61774 жыл бұрын
A handkerchief cutter is like an Olympic rifle. Useless for combat, but perfect for flexing your skill on a target.
@johnladuke64754 жыл бұрын
@@psychedashell But if you wanted to show the fops who's boss, bifurcating their pocket square would likely cause them to collapse with a case of the vapors.
@mahimahi3394 жыл бұрын
talks about rapiers "and I think this is the point"
@duranpredur10984 жыл бұрын
Gotta start at the basis, we are not all experts on the matter... Geez, elitist community...
@Evan-rj9xy4 жыл бұрын
@@duranpredur1098 ...Where did that come from? Did you even read the comment you replied to?
@duranpredur10984 жыл бұрын
@@Evan-rj9xy Pretend that i did and make your way backward. I assure you, it may draw a smile from you.
@miguelpestana3144 жыл бұрын
This pun got me laughing out loud. You stranger rock
@MarkD56784 жыл бұрын
"I think that enemy got... the point!"
@wiskadjak4 жыл бұрын
In 17th century rapier manuals (Giganti, Alfieri, Capo Ferro, Fabris) the cuts are made to vulnerable extremities; hands, wrists, forearms, shins, head, face, neck, places which tend to be poorly covered. Furthermore they recommend choosing a sword "with a point and two edges".
@2008davidkang4 жыл бұрын
"You can make something razor sharp, and it still won't cut for crap, because the edge geometry is so *FAT* " Estoc: *breaks into miserable tears*
@heretyk_13374 жыл бұрын
Menwhile koncerz walks up to it: Don`t worry... they still love us
@Elluem4 жыл бұрын
Estoc bestoc Not really, though... that thing was annoying as all hell to play against :P
@christopherfassett99734 жыл бұрын
"phat"
@Tacticaviator74 жыл бұрын
@@Elluem Loyce, Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well.
@Elluem4 жыл бұрын
@@Tacticaviator7 Actually, my name isn't a reference to Dark Souls. I had this name long long before Demon Souls came out. Also, it's spelled Eleum Loyce which is SLIGHTLY different. However, I've been waiting for this to happen ever since that dlc dropped. You're the first person to call it out lol My name is actually a reference to Odd World. There were creatures called Elums. Which is Mule backwards. I used the name Elum when I was very young without realizing the joke lol. When I tried to use the name in WoW, it was taken. Probably for a mule account to store items. So I added the e. I do love that zone, though. It had my favorite weapon in the series (tied with zweihander)... BONEFISTS!!!!
@phatbassanchor4 жыл бұрын
The rapier is best at making precision cuts like severing major arteries. It won't hack your opponents limbs off or defeat heavy armor. Yet, it will make short work of the jugular, brachial, femoral and/or abdominal arteries. In medieval times a bleeding opponent was a dead opponent. Sans immediate trauma surgery the same applies today.
@zoltandangerfield45264 жыл бұрын
I notice many comments that seem to deride the rapier for its inability to sever limbs... Part of what makes it deadly is it's speed, if a slash to the face or body "disconcerting" followed by a thrust to the heart or other vital organs. Not messy, but very deadly
@ismata32744 жыл бұрын
agreed. and you cut a muscle, by that i mean to the bone so cut it in half from a point in its length, -as some people say they saw it did- and said muscle will still function...? how? the movement range must suffer. yes some muscles can do "some" of other muscles moves, but it doesnt matter, even if you do(?) the said move, power behind it and the effectiveness of it must change. well, if you re hulk, and your 50 to 10 percent power still bests your opponent, what are you doing playing with him, get a respectable sized stick and your opponent is a pudding. just because the man didnt feel the cut and went on whatever he was doing doesnt mean he was proficient with said limb, wheter hand, forearm -and i reeeally want to see a man- -properly grasp and properly use- -even a knife- -with a diagonal cut to the bone at the forearm- -especially at the palmar side- biceps or legs. again they need to be very strong to efficient(ish)ly using a sword with reduced range and power, not saying it can never be done, but it sounds highly unlikely for most of the time to me. and i saw two videos where a man was cutting tatami mats with a rapier. not hankerchiefs.
@RheaMainz4 жыл бұрын
Not its speed; simply its reach. It isn't any more difficult to set aside the rapier than any other sword through the slow hand's movement. It's in fact easier if one accounts for the rapier's less-dense mass distribution. That reach alone is what makes the rapier fearsome. One can easily parry the rapier's movements all they like, but compared to most other swords, the rapier will make futile more of those parries unless the distance is finally closed. Many of those comments imply an argument based upon stopping power. It can't be disagreed that, in most cases, a sword hand or neck chopped through holds much more stopping power than a thrust through the same hand or neck. Combat's always moreso about suppression than killing
@RheaMainz4 жыл бұрын
@Lord Admiral Spire Yhee!
@Schwarzvogel14 жыл бұрын
@@RheaMainz The word I would use is incapacitation--rendering your opponent incapable of continuing aggressive or threatening actions--rather than suppression. This holds true even into our age of firearms as well, which is partly why you see the police mag-dumping into suspects (the other part of this would be atrociously poor fireams training among American law enforcement, but that's a completely different issue). Diction aside, your argument is 100% sound.
@RheaMainz4 жыл бұрын
@@Schwarzvogel1 We could look at the biggest wars to demonstrate my point. The vast amount of shells, bullets and strikes miss, and are often not even directly aimed at people(perhaps analogous to say most melee weapons are targeted against other melee weapons in the form of parries most frequently). I think it more accurate to say Suppression rather than Incapacitation as the primary goal of most combat scenarios
@SwitchFeathers4 жыл бұрын
Rapiers can cut the same way that falchions can thrust: It's not what it's designed for, and there's better tools for the job, but it'll still work in a pinch.
@TheDamokles3 жыл бұрын
The falchion types Elmslie F1d, F2 and F3c through 5c would disagree with your statement.
@gregorstamejcic23554 жыл бұрын
People in renaissance duels had BEAR ARMS?!?
@silentdrew76364 жыл бұрын
Doubly useful if your opponent has a maul.
@MonkeyJedi994 жыл бұрын
@@silentdrew7636 Or a mall, where you can set a paint and rapier store.
@jwrine36314 жыл бұрын
Context, my friend... He was clearly talking about the right to use weapons... Now on a (not so) serious note, This made me laugh so hard, that I had to show it to everyone at the dinner table. Then I went and read their replies, and had to laugh some more!
@johnladuke64754 жыл бұрын
Let's not overlook the fact that he mentioned people having bear heads, as well.
@billmiller49724 жыл бұрын
Correct, always carried on their right. That's where the saying comes from: "The right, to bear arms". Punctuation is relevant.
@muninrob4 жыл бұрын
Mine can, fairly poorly on tatame mats (1 mat cleanly, only 1/4 through #2, compared to 3 & 1/2 with a katana) , but very excellent at slicing open my hand when I am incautious while polishing. Pretty sure it won't hack through mail, but it will push cut about 1/2 way through a beef brisket that's on the counter. (deep enough to really mess up a bicep, tricep, or quadracep - but not deep enough to sever the muscle)
@Schwarzvogel14 жыл бұрын
I don't think a katana or an arming sword would reliably hack through mail, either--provided that it is proper riveted mail, not the butted mail flogged as genuine armour to the ignorant.
@LutzDerLurch4 жыл бұрын
on the counter, i.e. static and unable to dispers energy by giving way, and likely not clad in a linnen shirt and a cloth doublet with glazed linnen linings in the sleeves?
@muninrob4 жыл бұрын
@@LutzDerLurch Yup, the only glazed lining involved was honey and lemon-pepper, the only scientific control was using the same motions once with a rapier, and 5 more times with a butcher knife as I finished turning the brisket into steaks for the smoker. I wasn't surprised the butcher knife did better, I was surprised just how deep the push & draw cuts from the rapier got.
@matthewwanzer31854 жыл бұрын
Hearing the Forged in Fire judge "It will cut."
@deniskozlowski93704 жыл бұрын
He also referenced cutting pig carcasses
@SamuraiAkechi4 жыл бұрын
And it will kiel
@sureokk4 жыл бұрын
You mean edged weapon specialist Doug Marcada.
@lukemcinerny82204 жыл бұрын
@@sureokk For such an expert he treats swords like baseball bats lol
@matthewwanzer31854 жыл бұрын
@@sureokk that's his name! I forgot.
@mallardtheduck4064 жыл бұрын
I love the Spanish cup hilt rapier... I always liked that one, but I Also love Viking swords and Side swords.... And Arming swords. I have a sword collecting problem.
@sureokk4 жыл бұрын
@Jim Nickles try being into guns as well. I'll never have all the fun stuff I want
@tylerrobbins83114 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call that a problem
@danielmorris65844 жыл бұрын
" I like swords" - "I like turtles"
@philipwebb9604 жыл бұрын
Freud would say that's not the type of problem you have.
@Isambardify4 жыл бұрын
If you hacksaw through anything at the Wallace collection they'll almost certainly ask you to leave.
@2bingtim4 жыл бұрын
They're So picky about that!!
@2bingtim4 жыл бұрын
"Hey Matt, I've hacksawed through all my swords to see their cross-sections & would like to know how you put them back together?"
@quint3ssent1a2 жыл бұрын
I heard about Spanish rapier style where cuts and trusts are used in 50/50 ratio, as opposed to Italian style, which uses primarily trusts, but I'm glad that now algorithm showed me this 2-year old video which elaborates on "rapier cutting" so much
@dlatrexswords4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant points! Now to watch the video.
@polyommata4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more videos on rapiers! It would also be awesome to see a video on different kinds of parrying daggers and their contexts. I've been suspicious lately about how common sail daggers actually were and my guess is that a wider variety of daggers with less protective guards were more common.
@CommanderJoir4 жыл бұрын
Can the myth come from or strengthen thanks to modern sport rapiers? I mean, they are "made" to not cut, but they hurt ass hell if someone slam it down on you, and can leave a small tear mark on the fencing jacket. With emphasizing on small. Fun fact, even tho those rapiers are blunt, they still can give tear marks on your skin, thru the gambeson and the fencing jacket when someone trust it on you. Which is understandable why some wear plastic torso protection underneath the jacket.
@zachwebb85274 жыл бұрын
Hello, just saying your channel is a great resource for combat and weapon types for medieval fiction writing. Keep going !
@jeanpaulgartier34044 жыл бұрын
Don't write rapiers into your medieval fiction
@zachwebb85274 жыл бұрын
@@jeanpaulgartier3404 I have been coming back to matt's channel for almost two years. I know rapiers don't fit into a typical medieval setting. But I'm writing about a fantasy world so if I want a character to have a rapier than I will give them one :p
@johnquach88214 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work with the explanation. Thank you.
@josephgora97914 жыл бұрын
A complicated and interesting topic. Just a few observations: first, as you know, real rapier blades were consistently thicker at the forte and often heavier overall than reproductions. Test cutting without accurately reproducing this feature is dubious. Second, despite this, an ideal edge geometry for a sword edge is still thicker than most people who use the 'rapier are too thick to cut well' argument fully account for. Between 22-30 degrees is considered fine for a sword edge. If you do the trigonometry this means that most reasonably thick rapiers can still have an appropriate edge angle by the upper section of the blade where distal taper makes it thinner, excepting on the very thin blades. It's not hard for example to make a thick, historically accurate rapier blade (circa 1600) with an edge geometry at the centre of percussion the same as a katana. Conversely and somewhat ironically, many thin flat blades (as seen in kitchen knives) require a secondary bevel or convex bevel to prevent the edge being too thin and weak. But I am not saying rapiers are going to cut as well as more dedicated cutters just because of this. There must be many other dynamics at play, such as the way the steel in a long narrow blade flexes (both in rotation and upon impact), the distribution of mass, the ease of sharpening a thinner blade with a secondary bevel for starters.
@chadherbert184 жыл бұрын
Great video! The previous two tournaments I attended were Sidesword and Rapier. Both super fun!
@Sylentmana4 жыл бұрын
Beware the swordsman who has bear arms. Those claws are vicious.
@M.M.83-U4 жыл бұрын
One video about variation and pattern of rapiers is, in my umble opinion, very needed.
@KirkWilliams3004 жыл бұрын
Estoc R2 intensifies
@alexlausch93844 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir, I have been watching your channel for quite a while now and I have to admit: it is really a great pleasure. All this knowledge and facts about medieval weaponry and armoury is indeed very impressive. Thank you very much! But, since I am especially interested in the migration Era and early middle ages, here is what I would wish for: how about some videos about weaponry and armoury of the germanic tribes, such as Seaxes, Franciscas, etc.? But this is only a suggestion, what do I know? Greetings from good all Germany! Sascha
@Psiberzerker4 жыл бұрын
One of the problems I had with cutting practice on Rapier is not the Edge Geometry (It tends to hit pretty percussively, and may bounce before it cuts) but Edge Alignment. The narrow blade also makes it difficult to feel the edge, especially compared to a curved sword with a trailing tip (As opposed to a Yataghan, Falx, or Kukri) Those tend to pull the edge in line, as you follow through a drawing cut. With rapier, you almost have to start closer in, and follow through more to the tip. One of the nice things about that length is you have more edge to work with, and the center of balance actually pulls the center of precussion (The sweet spot for cutting) farther back, but there's more effort in it, because you have to draw the arm back, with the weight of the hilt, during the follow-through, in a straight line. So yeah, you "Can cut" with a Rapier, but it's weird, awkward, and still likely to go wrong if you're off on your edge-alignment, the blade bounces, the target moves the wrong way (Tatami mats don't move as if they're trying to kill you whilst not being killed)...
@asa-punkatsouthvinland71454 жыл бұрын
It can also depend on how you define 'cut'. In French stick fighting the motion used to strike is called a coup. The French word for 'cut' is 'couper' which seems to derives from Old French coper, colper (“to cut off”). Which itself is derived from cop (“blow”), colp (modern spelling coup), with its meaning coming from the idea of cutting off with a blow. So in other words in olden days to strike a blow, either with a stick or sword, used the same word. So even a sword with no edge (smallsword or even an estoc) can "cut" as a motion to strike even if it can not cut as in to lacerate. Thus ant rapier can cut (strike) many could also cut (lacerate) to some degree. Regardless rapier manuals show cuts. Weather they strike or lacerate really isn't important as they are techniques are used to harass, make openings g get the point back online...and the point of a rapier is it's killing tool. At least that's a way to look at it. It's similar to how in England rapiers were rapiers, but in Spain & Italy where they originated they were just espada (sword).
@kyomademon4534 жыл бұрын
They originated in spain, they were taken to the italian territories
@asa-punkatsouthvinland71454 жыл бұрын
@@kyomademon453 thank you for the correction. I guess I should have better indicated that I was thinking of Spain & Italy being where they first became popular & technically developed.
@triela4204 жыл бұрын
The people that say rapiers can't cut don't know what a rapier is, they are thinking of an edgeless thrusting sword.
@scholagladiatoria4 жыл бұрын
Watch the video :-) There are some rapiers that realistically cannot cut.
@IPostSwords4 жыл бұрын
@Aint Jack no, but we definitely see square and narrow hex section rapiers with ~ 1x1cm blades at the ricasso
@IPostSwords4 жыл бұрын
@Aint Jack usually, due to the hilt design. They're just thrust optimised versions of rapiers, often with Taza (cup) hilts
@scholagladiatoria4 жыл бұрын
As well as some cup-hilted (particularly Spanish) rapiers which are pretty edgeless for the second half of the blade, there are also transitional rapiers (proto-smallswords) which have similarly edgeless blades. You might be able to get some kind of draw or push cut on bare skin with them, but they aren't going to be chopping through any clothing or flesh.
@holyknightthatpwns4 жыл бұрын
@Aint Jack oftentimes, yes. Daggers especially are often classified and named almost exclusively by their hilt design. Matt makes a similar point in the video.
@alexanderguesthistorical78422 жыл бұрын
My own thought on rapiers is that the term may derive from Latin "rapidus", via French "rapide". The term "rapier" would then translate to something like "the one that does things rapid(ly)". Similar to Boucher or pecheur (butcher or fisherman). If this derivation is correct, it would give a definition of a blade which is somewhat slim, delicate, but above all fast, due to it's slimness and delicacy. However, alternatively the name could be analogous with the Spanish term for just such a slim, delicate, elegant sword "ropera" (espada ropera). This word has it's origin in the word "ropero" which simply means wardrobe (as an adjective it means "for clothes", as a noun it means wardrobe or linen cupboard). This definition would be in accordance with the notion that such swords were specifically designed to be elegant, and fashionable, as elements of attire. In fact it could well be that the terms "rapier" and "ropera", strangely are not related at all, but describe similar styles of sword, due to their respective meanings (sic). Both terms would of course be completely appropriate to describe this style of weapon.
@inncubus6664 жыл бұрын
Something which occurred to me while watching this; and is maybe a little unpleasant to think of; some of the cutting would be after the blade has entered the body not just through the clothing. IE if you have thrust the sword into someone, the pushing/pulling action in and out will be severing internals (especially considering further movements) and would thereby do more damage to the opponent than if it were purely pointy. So even if we were to discount cutting through cloth/armour, and "incidental" cuts to exposed areas, the blade having sharp edges could be of advantage.
@johnladuke64754 жыл бұрын
This... is a tremendously gross but very valid point. Not just thrusting in-out, but any "sideways" motion or twisting motion while your blade is inside your opponent would vastly increase both the chance of lethality and the speed of incapacitation due to all that nasty internal damage.
@SuperOtter134 жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt for sharing this with us. Yes you will probably have to say all this again sometime. I would love to see a cut test on a pig carcass or something comparing cut and thrust damage from different sword types. Maybe a collaboration with other KZfaqrs . Matt could do the rapier/sidesword, stoccata could do broadsword, school of historical fencing the saber. Then metatron and shad could tear it all apart and give opinions. Anyone else agree this would be awesome? Although it would probably be de-monetised or something stupid. Cheers!
@LoremasterLiberaster4 жыл бұрын
... or can they? *Vsauce theme starts playing*
@vyderka4 жыл бұрын
Since now on I decided to press the thumb up button NOT before watching Matt's film, but the moment I hear the word "context" for the first time. Such a small new game :D
@dimesonhiseyes91344 жыл бұрын
And let's not forget that cutting does not necessarily mean just chopping or hacking but cutting also means slicing
@senatuspopulusqueromanus30114 жыл бұрын
NOTICE ME MATT SENPAI!!!
@scholagladiatoria4 жыл бұрын
Go in peace.
@AxiomIndustries4 жыл бұрын
lol
@lassim31114 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria epic
@robertpka72284 жыл бұрын
Hey, does this scabbard make my edge geometry look fat???
@billmain40904 жыл бұрын
My ancestors were pikers at Hastings and wielded iron nunchucks as well.
@thelonerider96934 жыл бұрын
I've love to see test cutting with a sharp rapier and am glad you talked about edge geometries. I suck at sharpening and have more than one sword with a wide cutting type blade that will send bottles flying with hardly a notch, but on which I could accidentally cut my finger... I imagine a lot of "bad edges" would actual perform well against humans tho they may not be good for bottles or tatami...
@quintoblanco87464 жыл бұрын
Like this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7Ocoryky528eX0.html Honestly, as much as it's fun to hear Matt Easton rambling, sometimes it would be better if he showed things rather than stating the obvious.
@craighinkle98364 жыл бұрын
Of course it can cut. It's a sharp piece of metal.
@thefreshestslice41054 жыл бұрын
That's the whole point behind rapier wit. Sharp, quick, and to the point.
@barkerm94 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is a topic begging for a demonstration video.
@johndemeritt34604 жыл бұрын
Some illustrations of the edge geometry of various edged weapons might be helpful in making the point, along with some explanation of the physics of how different swords cut. Otherwise, I thought this was a great intro to rapiers and the controversies associated with them. Thanks!
@ndalby1873 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love my reproduction 1845 pattern Wilkerson LC officer's sabre, specifically because it had nice authority in the cut and good thrusting capability.
@TheDmac664 жыл бұрын
Forged in fire on history channel has cut up animal carcasses with rapiers. It was brutal!
@lukemcinerny82204 жыл бұрын
The saber in background nearly put me into a trance lol
@JosephVice4 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, Have you seen "Alatriste" with Viggo? I think it was Bob Anderson's last movie he choreographed.
@HoJu19894 жыл бұрын
I approve of more rapier content
@dougsinthailand71764 жыл бұрын
A duel-ending cut? "Ho there varlet! Avast or I shall disconcert thee!"
@2bingtim4 жыл бұрын
"If you were verily disconcerted by the issues discussed in this video, please contact the support line on...."
@Cysubtor_8vb4 жыл бұрын
Think it was for when facing multiple attackers, but there's at least one source that pairs the rapier with a shield and recommend focusing on cuts, so there at least was a form of rapier that could cut in his era. Although, parrying daggers were more common (especially for civilians), the shield and rapier combo always looked like an interesting one. Then again, probably because it seem fundamentally similar to shield and spear yet with a longer cutting edge.
@Lucius19584 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see you clarify that nebulous area between rapiers & smallswords. I have a 17th c. blade, originally described as a "smallsword": it is certainly shorter than the average rapier, and has a fairly simple, smallsword-type hilt, without a knuckle bow. But the blade is pretty flat in profile, and could easily be sharpened to a cutting edge. Obviously, it would not be nearly as effective a cutter as other blades; but it could possibly hold its own in a knife fight...
@jonathanh44434 жыл бұрын
Spadroon, Shearing Swords, Pig Sticker...
@TivoDelNato4 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt! Can you make a video discussing the differences between cutting and chopping weapons? By that I mean weapons that were designed to cleave through material and opponents with perpendicular impact vs weapons that were designed to slash through material and opponents with draw/push cuts. Did certain cultures or time periods favor one over the other? Which performs better against what kinds of armor? Mechanically is there even a difference? Cheers!
@nevisysbryd74504 жыл бұрын
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@nevisysbryd74504 жыл бұрын
Swords with tiny hilts that sandwich your hand between the guard and pommel tend to promote more of a drawing motion (examples include a lot of Indian and Norse swords) . Cavalry swords tend to emphasize moderate chopping to slicing to very dedicated slicing (sabers, kilij, tulwars with a pronounced curvature, etc) Infantry/'standard' cutting specializations were frequently oriented around either the particular task/role or bypassing the expected armor. The harder and more solid armor gets, the less effective slicing becomes (you may chop through maille, not so much draw cut through it) , whereas draw cuts can be plenty effective against opponents in only textile armor, clothes or bare skin. Against plate armor, sword cuts become pretty negligible in their damage whatever their specialized type, though, hence their increasing tendency towards narrower, more thrust-specialized blades that cut with a thin, fine edge once plate really got going rather than a more hack-style of blade more suitable for chopping into maille or padded armor.
@user-zu4nl7bm9e4 жыл бұрын
cutting for the un protected target, striking for the protected target.
@edzejandehaan92654 жыл бұрын
Maybe I am a simpleton, but if a weapon or tool has a substantial cutting edge, I kinda conclude I can cut with it....
@trafledrakel71184 жыл бұрын
Once in Forged in Fire a rapier was able to cut a pig carcass in half in one attempt. The internal organs were taken out, but there were flesh and bones.
@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis4 жыл бұрын
Your methods for "seeking the truth" (you called it that way in this video) remind me a lot of what we learn in University in my Anthropology lessons.
@SiriusMined4 жыл бұрын
"I think this is the point" I see what you did there ;-)
@ShadowlessFist5 ай бұрын
It can open cuts in the face if the point whipped across skin, yes? causing shallow wounds that bleed a lot has utility I'd imagine.
@peterlewerin42134 жыл бұрын
3:53 Those "Always wear your protective gear" posters in Renaissance fencing schools were harsh.
@davideddy85574 жыл бұрын
In regards to his video from December about the 1821 saber hilt on the 1845 blade, I am wondering if any of you know of any books or resources comparing hilts/blades of different countries and years to each other? I.e. Scottish v French, or Belgian v Polish.
@edi98924 жыл бұрын
I've heard that early rapiers cut about as well as daggers. This would be quite impressive as the latter can cut off hands.
@edi98924 жыл бұрын
@Lord Admiral Spire I'm talking about the typical cruciform dagger which came after the sax and stayed up to the Renaissance. It's essentially a miniature sword. Besides the misericordia, I'm not aware of any daggers without a blade, except for some Sai.
@Schwarzvogel14 жыл бұрын
@@edi9892 If I'm not mistaken, some rondels and stilettos also did not have sharpened edges, as they didn't need them.
@edi98924 жыл бұрын
@@Schwarzvogel1 rondel were typically single edged. Stiletto is for me the modern Italian folding knife. I don't know what you mean instead.
what about foils or the other pencil thin swords? i had one with a flat square end and cut the square off and sharpened it it will go through just about anything i point it at now but i just wonder if the time came and i needed to defend myself and put it in someone or thing-dog bear would it stop or would it bend and follow bone or just go right through
@AStarkofWinterfell244 жыл бұрын
“There’s a lot of acceleration at the tip.” Matt Easton, 2020
@turbografx164 жыл бұрын
Matt, what is that very crooked saber that you compared the rapier to? It looks great, will it be for sale on your arms page?
@AnkanBob4 жыл бұрын
Does it cut a dead pig wearing mail out of paper and clothing made of wood?
@mangalores-x_x4 жыл бұрын
only on thursdays.
@Ake-TL4 жыл бұрын
AnkanBob is it reference ?
@AnkanBob4 жыл бұрын
@@Ake-TL 1:58
@slenpaiwashere35994 жыл бұрын
Not sure Matt but I know like me their great thrusters.
@johnladuke64754 жыл бұрын
Don't get too tied up with the thrust, if you don't get any penetration it won't matter. But then, you also don't want to over-penetrate.
@jimmyknox33424 жыл бұрын
Couple inches of tip should be sharpened to provide quick penetration. Zorro didn't cut that pretty Z without a sharp edge.
@jimmyknox33424 жыл бұрын
After all, how deep do you need to go?
@grafsideonepolishguyharo1988 Жыл бұрын
I cut at my targets with only 3" from the tip of my 1700s English cavalry half cup rapier, it works if your wrist can take it lol great stuff good sir.
@Thebonesoftrees4 жыл бұрын
Great again :) thank you.
@iiMEiii4 жыл бұрын
Bit of a off topic question? Could you do a demonstration video at some point Have you and some friends maybe 3-5 and every single one of them has a large Roman style shield and a sparing sword. Then team up and practice moving together like the history says covering eachother and not breaking rank then see how hard is for other people to even touch any of you with the fact you can just bash/push them with a shield. 5v5 with people acting like Gauls or stereotype crazy Gauls and the other as Romans in formation. TV and movies have Gauls just jump in break the ranks of the Romans and kill everything but he should just be stabbed or knocked over by someone in the formation pretty quick so I'm wondering how hard it actually is to break the line.
@whade620004 жыл бұрын
Next up, "Water is wet - OR IS IT?"
@fruitshuit4 жыл бұрын
Where does your rapier come from, can I ask? I really like the little discs on the bars, but I've never seen another like it!
@SebastianSzukalski4 жыл бұрын
It's a custom by Danelli
@HoJu19894 жыл бұрын
The original has some decoration on those disks and it's in the Wallace Collection. There are a couple of old videos where Matt goes into more detail.
@davidw66844 жыл бұрын
(Most) Rapiers can cut where it counts: fingers, hands, wrists, neck, and face. In most marital art systems, sword strikes to the hand(s) are desirable and in many fencing systems a cut to the hand/wrist/arm is a point. At the very least it keeps your opponent in check; at best it can disarm him. If you are hacking away w/ a rapier you are doing it wrong or you need a different sword.
@DH-xw6jp4 жыл бұрын
The saber ar 4:47, that wouldn't happen to be a cold steel 1917 hybrid would it? How you you like it?
@SuperFunkmachine4 жыл бұрын
Even what counts as a cut can have shifting goal posts.
@darthkek19532 жыл бұрын
A gash slash in a flash bash mash by a rash 'tash fash for stash cash.
@uncleouch97954 жыл бұрын
You would be surprised how well they can cut through bone with the correct blade style. Bone isn't that hard when it's live and moist. Try it on the next Hunting Season with a Buck or Doe.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland71453 жыл бұрын
Personally I think of rapiers as thrust & cut swords. This is to emphasize the thrust centric nature of it. Cut & thrust to me is a sword that is more cut centric but still uses a large degree of thrusts; like what we call side swords today.
@masonmorgan42 жыл бұрын
are there any rapiers with round blades like a long ice pick like an epee/foil that dosen't flex as much?
@taggartlawfirm4 жыл бұрын
Anyone ever considered the Schiavona?
@jeffreyroot73464 жыл бұрын
A backsword with a guard?
@taggartlawfirm4 жыл бұрын
Mine is double edged, and it’s almost a full coverage hand guard but less so the a “claymore,” slightly heavier then an early rapier.
@chabis4 жыл бұрын
I read "papers can cut". Well, yes, they can. But I still think I am a bit too tired right now.
@dwaneanderson80394 жыл бұрын
Okay, maybe I'm just OCD, but I can't stop watching that saber swinging on the wall. It's like a clock pendulum. It never stops. It. Never. Stops. Ahhhhhhhhhh!
@biohazard7244 жыл бұрын
Take a drink every time you hear a double entendre. I'll meet you at the emergency room.
@Roddyoneeye4 жыл бұрын
And now to compare the early 16tj century Spanish rapier vs Colichmarde (I don't care how its spelled) vs the SPADROON ! Don't roll your eyes at that word "Spadroon"
@kyomademon4534 жыл бұрын
If its a spaniard whose using the rapier we don't even need to bother
@MisterKisk4 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of times the average person confuses cleaving with cutting. Can you cleft someone's head in twain with a rapier? I don't know, I haven't experience with that; but it seems like it wouldn't be able to do so. And people then assume it can't cut because of that. Can you give someone a nasty gash on their head with a rapier? Certainly! Yet folks often don't think about that kind of injury/trauma when talking about "cutting with a sword". Apart from those people who make an effort to differentiate between the two.
@LurkerDaBerzerker4 жыл бұрын
*Relevant and Supportive Comment*
@LurkerDaBerzerker4 жыл бұрын
Still curious if you could join the Longman and the Toxic Brood on a EFAP stream. (Considering how you can cover a subject at length in quite the interesting context, I thought you would be a wonderful guest.)
@LurkerDaBerzerker4 жыл бұрын
To be more on topic, this is why Sideswords are bae. (They can be quite fabulous looking as well.)
@londiniumarmoury70374 жыл бұрын
I think people in sparring need to make agreements on which type of rapier they have before they spar as well. Because some people have seriously thin rapier blunts that are almost like sport fencing epee, and I don't think it's fair to allow them to score points by cutting with such weapons. I made a thrust only rapier with a swept hilt and I shoved a sport fencing blade onto it, but I tell my opponent "This is a thrust only rapier, so only my thrusts score points" before the match begins. I think if you want to score points with a cut you need to use a heavier sword, because flashing a whippy sport fencing type blade around and pretending you lopped an arm off is stupid. So in short we should only allow cuts from a rapier if it's a realistic cutting simulator blade.
@mattcoily62814 жыл бұрын
Control your reach . Moving backward... when stabbing forward.. balance moving .. but mostly how to actually clash your blades without damaging them. Just save that force for the pierce ..
@anthonycrayne28354 жыл бұрын
It's all about CONTEXT.
@nystagmushorizontalis4 жыл бұрын
I can cut myself with a sheet of paper so I should definitely be able to cut myself with sharpened metal rod.
@Mihalkoff4 жыл бұрын
By the way, it would be great to see video about "historical naming" - how different tipes of swords been named in different places and time periods, and what this or that name mean)))
@Kubold4 жыл бұрын
I believe people in medieval times always referred to swords properly. "Omg, he's got a oakeshott type X! Run!!!"
@jeanpaulgartier34044 жыл бұрын
Sword, sword, sword etc
@Mihalkoff4 жыл бұрын
@@jeanpaulgartier3404 Matt said in video, that "rapier" ment different kind of swords in different countries... So, I suppose its more complicated
@jeanpaulgartier34044 жыл бұрын
@@Mihalkoff rapier comes from the Spanish Espada ropera which means dress sword, I suppose there are exceptions when a sword would be called something or other, but generally? I doubt it
@Kinetic.4411 ай бұрын
Ghost spotted the saber wiggling behind you constantly
@Etzlo14 жыл бұрын
do you have a video explaining what exactly makes a good cutting sword etc? Before I started watching you I thought it was mostly just sharpness, but that clearly is not the case
@nevisysbryd74504 жыл бұрын
It is a combination of factors. Blade geometry, point of balance, sharpness, heft. Cutting is essentially force or pressure being applied to a proportionally small surface area. This produces a greater density of pressure compared to striking with a broader surface and results in a separating effect, tearing through mass away via teeth like a saw (basically all edges are jagged, the only variation is how small) and/or driving a wedge into it and pushing material away to the sides. Anything that spreads the energy out over a greater area reduces the cutting effect whereas additional energy pushing it in or further reducing the area affected increases it. There are different ways of increasing the potency of this manner of application of force. Some particulars (this is likely not a comprehensive or exhaustive list) -Further reducing the size of the point of contact (ie, making the edge narrower and thus sharper) . However, the sharper the edge, the more fragile it is and the greater its inertia, the more damage the object takes in striking. As inertia increases the energy and thus improves cutting capacity on its own, the larger and heavier the blade is, generally, they will often have an increasingly less fine of an edge for durability purposes and rely more on the inertia to drive the edge through the target. -Increasing the total energy in the motion of the blade, either by moving it faster, making the blade heavier or altering the shape of the blade so as to focus greater inertia into it (and especially towards the tip of the blade) -Altering the edge geometry. Cutting is driving a wedge into something; it is not only the width of the initial contact edge (the sharpness) that matters but the width and rate of increase of that width that matters how easily something will cut because the bigger it is, the more the greater the area that energy gets distributed across. Then there are also factors such as curvature which affect the application of cutting more than the actual cutting capacity of the sword itself. As example, swords that curve away from the cutting edge, as a result of the energy and drag distribution on account of the curve, naturally gravitate towards the curve pulling back and thus effectively helps correct edge alignment. The same is also somewhat true for wider blades. Blades with a very strong curvature, such as some types of sabers or 'scimitars', end up sliding a greater length of sharp edge along a target when swung properly and thus essentially cut with a greater length of the blade, making them very suitable for deep, drawing cuts. There are also different types of cut to consider-chopping, slashing, slicing, pick your terminology. The angle of the cut and how much close it is to perpendicular as compared to parallel are significantly different and some are very effective against certain materials while being very inefficient against others; additionally, how effective a given blade is at any of these types of cut varies significantly by factors such as its curvature, inertia, blade geometry, sharpness, handling and so on. Different sword types can cut in very different ways suited to very different circumstances and targets, so what constitutes as a 'good cutting sword' depends greatly on the complete context. Broadly speaking, though, wide blades, fine edges, a point of balance further towards the tip of the blade, significant curvature and heft are each traits that promote a better cutter in one manner or another.
@2bingtim4 жыл бұрын
I think it was Mythbusters that tested straight swords v curved swords( Medieval style arming sword & a sabre) to see which cut better & found they both did much the same. It had been thought the curved sword was better.
@steveno31414 жыл бұрын
Do people hear rapier and think foil? I know i used to as a kid.
@esgrimaxativa51754 жыл бұрын
Could it be possible that rapiers developed the way they did (little by little adding more bars and eventually a full cup hilt ) because of people whacking each other in the fingers and hand before looking for a decisive thrust? If I had to fight with a typical medieval arming sword against some other guy who also happens to be wearing his typical medieval arming sword around town cause that's the trend in some mediterranean country around the 15th century, (remember were out and about around town with no armor), I don't think I would be going all out full shoulder rotation cut. I would probably seek to whack him in the fingers or hand first with a rather easy wrist based snapping action and prevent him from doing this to me. To do this sort of tippy smack cut, possibly like a witik for FMA practitioners, I would probably adopt a different grip and put my index finger over the cross guard to get more control. Then I would get my swordsmith to put some bars around here and there to prevent me from getting whacked in the fingers seeing everybody at this time has copied this snappy action to hit each other in the fingers and or hand hand before sticking them with the point. Could this be how rapier evolved and why it was important to retain some sort of an edge for a long time?
@robcampion99174 жыл бұрын
All I can see in this video is the sword swinging in the background when Matt knocks it.
@biggrigg42814 жыл бұрын
Watching this guy has greatly increased my skills at argumentation.
@johnladuke64754 жыл бұрын
Nobody is ever right or wrong, as long as you get the proper context.
@biggrigg42814 жыл бұрын
@@johnladuke6475 that's just another way of saying that right and wrong are dependent upon the context.
@johnladuke64754 жыл бұрын
@@biggrigg4281 But it's also a quick summary of 90% of Matt's videos. "Can X object perform Y task?" will pretty much always be answered with "maybe or maybe not, it depends".
@krillissue4 жыл бұрын
Your argumentation ability will greatly increase if you realize that 90% of the time, there is no need for argumentation.
@biggrigg42814 жыл бұрын
@@krillissue I disagree. Improving your argumentation ability takes practice. Argue about everything as mush as you can.
@walterw24 жыл бұрын
was waiting at 6:26 for "or even a bloody katana"
@PonyusTheWolfdude4 жыл бұрын
How do you diifine a cut? Is it a hack, like an axe? Or is it a slice, like a saw? Or is it a push/draw cut, a combo of hack and slice, like you have discussed before?
@Blakut4 жыл бұрын
what's the thingie at the end of the rapier for? the thingie that sits on the pointy end?
@InSanic133 жыл бұрын
Looks like a rolled tip, designed to make it safer to thrust with in sparring.