What i have learned, when you face a plane that outrates and outturns you, you need to force a 3 circle reverse rate submission maneuver

Not pictured: Lvl 15 F-4S comes along and kills both of you before crashing into the ground

Awesome video! I wish you would make more of these, similar to what the Growling Sidewinder is doing, but for War Thunder :) Would love to see Mig-21 vs F-4; F-86 vs MiG-15; BF-109 vs Spitfire vs Mustang vs Yak-1 vs Zero and so on... So many possibilities!

The F16 needs to learn the "cow over moon" manoeuvre. While the MiG 29 should use the "rolling duck". Afterwards they can start a farm together. Great video dude.

This is cool and all but there's a very small issue... An R-27 is heading towards my direction completely undetected.

"He is draining my balls dry"

i swear if top tier allows long dogfights like those, i'd play top tier more. Just by watching the dogfights i can feel the adrenaline rush, hell they should make a 5v5 top tier match option. hate that top tier now is just clicking buttons

Feels like mig29's turning ability at high speed heavily relies on it's ability to pull some crazy Gs,you can even reach 14gs at low fuel and the turning circle is ridiculously small and it doesn't bleed that much of speed like it does at low speed.

It would be cool to see what things like the J-7E, F-14 or Mirage 2000C can do against a MiG-29. I feel like the F-14 with the wings out could actually compete with it quite well in these kinds of fights.

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Love the new video idea. It helps teach what to do and shows both sides, so you learn your opponents' strengths and weaknesses. It also i hop lightens the workload for you. Hope to see more from every br and vehicle 🙏

Defyn went full Growling Sidewinder mode for this video 💀

I’d really like to see more of this 1 on 1 comparison/ tactics content

I would love to see you make a series like this. This is by far my favorite video of yours. Like what some other comments have said a similar script as growling sidewinders videos but in WT.

With altitude the bigger wings of the fulcrum closes the performance gap with your F-16 in the rate somewhat- on the deck you really do best at more like 650 IAS, but for me 700 is preferred as it allows for headroom to cash in for extra AoA, vertical potential, etc. From there, I maintain my desired speed with throttle and G-control while maintaining proper lift vector placement (usually on the bandits high six) At high altitude I imagine you need to maintain that speed even more religiously- you're right in that you need to prioritize speed and energy management in the F-16 but 550 is a bit low for it. At 650-700, you keep the energy disparity at a better minimum with your bandit if they decide to extend like you mention doing in the Fulcrum

Holy moly I just got the Mig29 a couple days ago... Thank for video defyn very cool

been waiting for this kind of video for a bit, especially with these two planes :3

That would be awesome seeing you doing this with more high-top tier vehicles. I’d love to see the mirage 2000, the f14 and the gripen (when it comes out) fighting those 2 as well

Nice video, but at 6:10 the F-16 has 4 minutes of fuel while the MiG29 has 22, that's an enormous difference. Also at 15:52 the F-16 has only 2 minutes and 30 seconds while the MiG29 has over 14, again an enormous difference. At 16:55 instead the MiG29 has far less fuel, that's why it out climbs the F-16 so massively. I think it would have been better if both of you had 20 mins (or 20 for F16 and 30 for MiG29 since often the MiG29 drinks more fuel on full afterburner) without fuel consumption. That way you don't risk on creating too much fuel difference

You have to fight against f16a, not adf\mlu any other versions. F16a is on pair with mig29 since it doesn't have (or has severely decreased) AoA limiter on high speeds. This is stupendous, but that's what I learned flying both A and ADF. While ADF is just a platform for missiles, A rocks the shit out of it's opponents.

This is quickly becoming my favorite video on this entire channel.

Love the comparison video, let’s see some more of these

Great examples shown here. Little extra bit for the F-16's rate envelopes. As currently modeled, the F-16 Blk.15/20 will rate best at speeds between 800 and 850km/h IAS for sustained fighting. If the fight has already gone 2-circle and you aren't in imminent danger of being shot by your opponent, try and stay in this speed regime. You will rate around the circle at around 26 degrees per second when on the deck, though you're gonna need to manage your pilots G-Load. Not feasible if you don't have an expert crew. While you can match the rate speed at lower envelopes, you are also losing allot more speed and are more vulnerable to a 3rd party IMO. Should still be used only in certain cases since it requires some set up.

I very much enjoyed this video. I'd like to see more like it in the future.

Rate is natural Rate is healthy Rate is good Society needs more rate Cultivate rate

Finaly. Could not find a another vid thats like this, good jobb

Love these videos man keep going 😊

Great video! I like those more than Air RB commentary videos

Loved the video I just learn so many things just by watching it

All you need to know is that the Mig-29A wants to fight in the 1-circle (nose-to-nose) and the F-16 wants to fight in the 2-circle (nose-to-tail). The Mig-29A's strategy will be to trade altitude to cut the circle of the F-16 like we saw in the second dogfight to force the 1-circle fight. However, if the F-16 continues it's 2-circle gameplan eventually the Mig-29 will run out of altitude and it'll just be a matter of time before the F-16 gets guns on or the Mig-29 falls into the WEZ of an AIM-9. The Mig-29 can counter the F-16's 2-circle by either cutting into the 2-circle like I mentioned earlier, or by taking an offset 2-circle and using it's high AoA ability to do a one-time cash in of energy to get the F-16 into it's WEZ and fire off a missile or cannons. But this leaves the Mig-29 in a vulnerable position if it doesn't work, and will likely end the fight sooner in favor of the F-16. The F-16 can counter the 1-circle fight by adjusting its maneuvers to follow the flight path of the Mig-29. Eventually, it'll even out into a standard 2-circle. Things that the F-16 needs to keep in mind is to maintain a tight enough circle as not to allow the Mig-29 the offset 2-circle mentioned earlier, but not to tight as to drain it's energy too quickly and allow the Mig-29 to disengage. Also, considering the G-limiter that's in place for the F-16, creating a large radius for the opening fight and over-shooting the Mig-29 is a problem that pilots will need to adjust for by either engaging the airbrake during the inital parts of the fight or entering the fight at a speed of 400 knots.

For some reason this vid didnt show up in my feed, but i looove these kinds of 1v1 vids ❤

We need to see this content more often

Defyn at 3:40 I see the instructor circle there, did you just move the circle there w/ cursor so that the plane would be turning like that? Or is the circle just you using freelook? I assume youre also using keyboard to give rudder input/elev? Thanks for any insight

dang, i was looking for a video just like this

Would have liked to see a Block 10, from what I can tell its flight model is just straight up better than the MLU/ADF. The small elevator F-16s weigh 300kg less, which is not insignificant.

I love how this is right after the seeks dcs comments vid

I think it would be more helpful if we are talking about props, this type of style is AWSOME for new players who will mainly be playing props, and showing them popular matchups is a good way to educate them, the amount of people i see turnfighting a 109 in a p47 at low speeds is scary

neat video. One thing, it's probaably better to put the second video in the bottom left, since when you are looking at the guy, he is almost never there, whereas in the top right, the video blocks him quite often

Damn this was fun to watch!

The Viper, and Tomcat too, should out-rate the MiG-29 substantially. And F-14Bs and F-16Cs (when they inevitably arrive) should absolutely goof on a MiG-29 in a rate fight. The 29 is more on par with an F-15 in terms of its rate fighting ability and pulling the nose around. In BVR they are quite similar save for the F-14 and its AIM-54A and C variant (which should be better at hitting a small maneuvering target like a MiG-29 or MiG-21 for that matter). With mouse and keyboard controls its hard to realize this because anyone can just move their mouse to point the nose wherever.

Rate gain by flaps is works pretty simple. Rate of planes like mig29 is limited by AOA. Which equals 22 for mig29. Flaps just lower your AOA for a bit. So, you just can get a little extra turn rate before you will be limited with AOA by instructor.

How do you think the new F14 coming out will fair with it's strongeer engines and thrust ratio?

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SO my only gripe about the video was that you didn't use airbrake on certain oppurtunities that arose when you first swapped to f16 (when you went vertical and say it turns to a brick or in 6:00 that would be easy for an f16 to pull in with airbreak) ik you said that maintaining 500kmh is important and i agree as it prevents it from becoming a total brick below 400 kmh yet i still think you might have been able to get some shots in by using it. I just consider the airbrake to be your combat flaps. also did they change how flaps interact with the F16? I recall you saying in a previous video that it borks the performance causing it to turn less.

Defyn. Are you able to revisit the J35A again? As it’s been a year since you last played. I picked it up in the recent sale and have been having a blast in it, especially with the guns as you can hit some funky shots with it. The payload I carried was the 12 rockets (as my make shift flares) and 2 sidewinders.

Hi DEFYN, recently i gave another chance to the F100 super sabre and gaijin actually fixed It, now It does not break his wings at like 8 g's and now you can actually play with It, it's alzo a good grinder foe some reason, so i think you should bring a new video of It, it's still a really hard plane to fly, (doesn't turn and roll at around mach Speed if not above like 5500/6000 meters and It compresses alot) but i found It really interesting and fun to play. love your videos as always ❤️

I just got the kfir c7 and after watching this it has occurred to me that I could pull with those planes for about two turns then I’d just fall out of the sky like a rock, it’s a blast to fly tho

hey DEFYN, do you do any coaching kind of stuff? I'm trying to learn from these videos but it's a bit difficult for me.

when you face an enemy with better turn and rate than you you either have the balls to put a good fight or have the balls to put a good fight and still being called a moron for "dogfighting on a less maneuverable plane"

Having WarThunder Real-Time Information (WTRTI) installed would really help. We could see actual number on the turn.

related to this video, did you watch the 4v4 air to air tournament last weekend? what did you think about everyone picking the mig29? obviously it was for the ER/HMD combo, but there was that team with the two f16s.

warthunder 100% needs a 1v1 dogfight matchmaker

These slow speed fights in the Mig29 or F14 are where you need a split throttle.

Reminds me of the good old mig vs sabre days tbh, cool vid

Great video as always, but this one feels special

would be interestin to see what you think about the Mirage 2000 vs each of the two

This is so cool, always been looking for a custom air battle community, i'v got f14a and have at least played it 3 days total time in custom against random people, by any chance r there a discord community like that?

nice and good job making the fight into a 2 turn fight also btw you can radar lock him and have it be a harder time to lose the missile lock

Growling sidewinder's lessons from his videos are very applicable here

If you ditch out of a vertical fight early and you gain slight distance while turning in to the F-16, (You have to be very precise) you can allow and F-16 to drag onto your fight six trying to fight at you draining energy. Once that happens, you then Shoot out with higher speed into a semi tight corkscrew further draining out the F-16s energy. (Note: F-16 does poorly in corkscrews when at 500-600km/h the corkscrew just drains too much energy for that jet) You just flat out win. The only thing I see you doing is ditching out fully into Turn reversals. I used to struggle thinking thats the only way to win. However The Mig-29 loves to do un orthodox rate fights and if you position yourself with higher speed and the bandit coming over your high six wasting energy, you can easily energy trap an F-16 and win 90% of the time. This is coming from a Soviet Main, High end Dueler.

Guys i know this is unrelated but my time is dwindling, i suffer from a terminal illness called "skill issue." The doctor said my silver lions are plummeting every day and that im not getting enough rp. I guess it's time to say goodby because I won't be a free to play anymore.

Can you do a video on the Sea harrier?

What do you use to record your videos?

Nice format

More dogfight videos I love these

As per Russian planes go, the MIG-29 has always been my favorite. Nice video 😀

The F16 Block 10s will run rings around Mig 29s since they're lighter and can hit 11Gs

Best teaching channel for wt flying

The f16 is primarily a rate fighter it was built to be a rate fighter and it's better to go to the 2 circle if possible, but that doesn't mean it cant hangout on the 1 circle

i don't know if it works the same at the russian mig but when german mig 29 uses airbrake it actually turn significally more

Why the MLU and not the F-16’s with the smaller elevons?

great video

I mostly play the F-16 and the vast majority of my deaths to MiG-29's is the first turn. They just pull insane G's and turn twice as fast when merging at high speed. MiG 29 really is just better in almost every way, and way easier to dogfight with, the F-16 only wins if less fuel and played exactly correct.

Do you still remember soggycumrag, the guy in the J21R. The guy who tried going down after they lost the dogfight but they flew into the cumzone. We all have to thank them for comeing into the game as they will be remembered forever.

awesome footage. i learn a lot by your videos. and i´ve got 8000h in this game. Ty sir :)

Haven’t played war thunder since they added the F16 and MIG 29. Did they ever remove the fly by wire limiter of 9G’s?

Now I just need this sort of a video but for F-104 TAF and the in-tree equivalent because I *really* want to know what the actual fuck am i supposed to do in a 12.0 game

Why are you not using flaps? it helps so much

the problem is with type of game mode that wt have u cant have such long fights that what makes the mig29 much superior it fits the game much better when u can kill enemies faster

What should I do when I am the only one climbing at 4.3 in my team?

would be interesting to see you play the mig 29 in dcs

Believe it or not, the hardest turning F16 in the game is the last one in the USA tech tree. The regular Block 10 version. Pulls much harder than the ADF or MLU.

if this is what it's like currently I don't want to think about what will happen when later versions of the mig get added especially the ovt and other thrust vectoring versions

Have you ever tried SIM control . Maybe it would have given the F-16 too much of an advantage over SIM control. Pretty much , you can pull extremely hard if you use SIM control . Might wanna try it .

the flaps of the F16 actually decrease the turn rate of the F16 for no reason

This brings into focus the further dominance of the Russian air. The paper tiger Su-57, if/when it gets added, will be in advantage due to its nations doctrine. Despite being a less stealthy stealth fighter will be a dogfighting champ. To even the playing field, maps would need to be at minimum EC sized to accommodate western doctrine of better BVR and Stealth above dogfighting, else it will just begin and end in a furball.

I like to use as a trick the Aim7 without PD is slow fights beacsue he won't notch it and the missile continues tracking for a while after being chaffed

Would love to see P-51D30 vs 109G6 in this style

Very nice Video ! Why not the F16A from USA ? Is a bit stronger in a 1v1 from my Opinion 😃

more top tier plz :) and cant wait for that missile guide just entered the missile age and would be great.

how about f14? how to win it in a dogfight with other top jets?

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Do offset two circle tactics work against the f16 in war thunder? If you're confused about offset two circle watch Growling Sidewinder's video about it, I think it explains it well.

I really wish my neighbor would get his last 2 mig 29s repaired and flying, i think he only has 2 working models and i would have thought adversarial training with USAF would be hard to do with just 2 examples

as someone that's Unlocked the F4-J and constantly face F14's and F16's and every USSR top tier, i'd greatly like tips on how to play it against planes that are fully superior to me in every case ,stay low? go high? AIM-7F low targets? Pulse doppler wants lock? it loses lock, all this

Is there a video of your setup ??????????????????????????

good fights

Please please please do this more with other planes

Can you do F-16 vs Mirage 2k?

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