Should Archons Always Be The Strongest of Their Elements?

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Ratheil

Ratheil

Жыл бұрын

With more and more characters to compete with should archons continue the trend of being the best characters of their elements (for at least some length of time)?
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@Ratheil
@Ratheil Жыл бұрын
The Hydro Archon has some very tough competition.
@shaine9968
@shaine9968 Жыл бұрын
hydro archon ultimate hp sucker
@Poohbear6
@Poohbear6 Жыл бұрын
Leaks She apparently has a lot of defense shred
@shaine9968
@shaine9968 Жыл бұрын
@@Poohbear6 i cant wait for her to shred my defence
@Poohbear6
@Poohbear6 Жыл бұрын
@@shaine9968 😨
@alexprus7953
@alexprus7953 Жыл бұрын
But also very straightforward competition. Xingqiu and Yelan have damage and off-field application with normal attacks, Kokomi and Barbara have healing. Anything else, especially some new mechanic (like with other archons) is fair game.
@darkdude1996ify
@darkdude1996ify Жыл бұрын
before watching: Archons should always do SOMETHING that they _are the best at._ Doesn't necessarily mean they should be the best at everything within that particular element
@crimsonECH1DNA
@crimsonECH1DNA Жыл бұрын
Agreed. It's kind of like Raiden vs Fischl. Raiden is overall the more versatile of the two, being able to be bother a sub dps and your on-field carry. But Fischl still has her A4 passive which provides even more off field damage whenever you cause an electro elemental reactions. So when it comes to teams like Aggravate & Electro Charge, you're likely going to pick Fischl as your second electro unit because of how much she excels in that role. If Raiden wereable to naturally do that passive in addition to the rest of her kit, that would be insane....which is exactly what they did with Nahida and Dendro. lol
@doomyloomy1081
@doomyloomy1081 Жыл бұрын
Like Venti
@vinhinh6810
@vinhinh6810 Жыл бұрын
Dehya and qq: the best at breaking player's hopes and dreams
@darkdude1996ify
@darkdude1996ify Жыл бұрын
Looking at the Hydro characters we have, it shouldn't be that difficult to find something the Archon could be the best at either. The best Hydro shielder is Xingqiu, who isn't even a shielder. The best Hydro crowd control is Mona's burst (or freeze, if you wanna count reactions). Almost all Hydro characters are damage, Hydro application, healing, or a combination of those, we don't have much variety
@vinhinh6810
@vinhinh6810 Жыл бұрын
@@darkdude1996ify Can't be best hydro application, the only way to beat my man Childe is having his skill with no cd
@b.r.52
@b.r.52 Жыл бұрын
Archon's should be the conceptually strongest representation. But they should logically have better utility or practical usability to help their own playability.
@chemioj2317
@chemioj2317 Жыл бұрын
that's a lot of rhymes mah dude
@b.r.52
@b.r.52 Жыл бұрын
@chemioj2317 Honestly, the rhyme sense wasn't even intentional. I just made this comment in between watching Gundam: Witch From Mercury, and I guess my brain auto shifted the terminology I typically use in chat to formal instead of meme shitposting.
@durroslake1294
@durroslake1294 Жыл бұрын
spitting bars
@kirbstomped361
@kirbstomped361 Жыл бұрын
straight BARS🥶
@reezwave
@reezwave Жыл бұрын
Bro casually spittin bars 🥶🥶
@brandongo9365
@brandongo9365 Жыл бұрын
I personally feel that Archons should be a step above other 5 stars and it seems Mihoyo does treat them differently from other characters they come around once a year and it's something to really look forward to. I also feel the same way about Harbingers but that may not be the case in Mihoyo's eyes.
@saintcitron
@saintcitron Жыл бұрын
Well, Wanderer was the character with the most people working on him so they do take care of them
@Zabuza6521
@Zabuza6521 Жыл бұрын
I agree, Archons should always be placed above 5 stars, i do think they should be the strongest of their elements as well, matter infact they should be in their own tiers as 6 stars, just my thoughts though
@CanIgetUwU
@CanIgetUwU Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. In HI3, the Herrschers are the most powerful being in lore but as playable they have the same rank from others. There are also some playable Herrschers who got powercreep.
@themustardman219
@themustardman219 Жыл бұрын
@@CanIgetUwUthey got power creeped? As in, they were extremely good at release, being meta characters? Yeah.
@ohwhatisthis
@ohwhatisthis 11 ай бұрын
@@themustardman219 take Herrscher of the Void for example
@YuriHenriques
@YuriHenriques 9 ай бұрын
The fact that Furina walks over water already makes her absolutely desirable.
@salceds
@salceds Жыл бұрын
Not the elements, but rather the elements' main mechanic. Anemo's crowd control and mobility, Geo's survivability, Electro's energy regeneration, Dendro's heavy reactivity, Hydro's versatility, Pyro's offense and Cryo's consistency.
@sQrLLZ
@sQrLLZ Жыл бұрын
Well said
@chilledout_5486
@chilledout_5486 Жыл бұрын
There's also the status effects that could be taken into account, cryo is the most annoying but noticeable one that I think increases stamina consumption and slows you down. Not sure what the rest do apart from making you or the enemies susceptible to reactions.
@tirramasu7948
@tirramasu7948 Жыл бұрын
Plus, the Archons may be the core values of their element but variations are created by vision holders. Like Kazuha sucks well and dmg increase
@azuredragon7415
@azuredragon7415 Жыл бұрын
@@chilledout_5486 Electro - energy drain Hydro - cool down Idk about the others
@arcticthehunter7099
@arcticthehunter7099 Жыл бұрын
Ok, but having the Pyro archon be the best damage dealer in the game would be a problem in a game where damage is the only meaningful metric
@EveNine-rv5pi
@EveNine-rv5pi Жыл бұрын
Venti is currently underrated. Originally he was so strong that they literally had to make enemies specifically to weaken him in Inzauma.
@crewgunnight8987
@crewgunnight8987 11 ай бұрын
Not to mention they actually buffed him again by making him able to suck enemies again. Now he can suck the samurai and the floating 1 eyed thingy too
@EveNine-rv5pi
@EveNine-rv5pi 11 ай бұрын
Right? Besides, we will see about Fontaine, but he is super useful in Sumeru.@@crewgunnight8987
@zoaero
@zoaero 11 ай бұрын
i still use him for my team
@Shiraion
@Shiraion 11 ай бұрын
Not really I think everyone know when the ennemi are not too heavy is the best anemo Not even close 😅
@zedo-vn
@zedo-vn 11 ай бұрын
@@crewgunnight8987 wait, where?
@racool911
@racool911 Жыл бұрын
The fact that some people said Raiden was underwhelming when she first released was insane
@mohammadalloush8636
@mohammadalloush8636 Жыл бұрын
People say this every time a new archon drops lol, except maybe Zhongli.
@Sacration
@Sacration Жыл бұрын
Always happen lol its the Genshin community
@ilyaszulkarnain
@ilyaszulkarnain Жыл бұрын
@@mohammadalloush8636 yeah, people said zhongli was useless not underwhelming when he first released
@Hadeshi.
@Hadeshi. Жыл бұрын
@@ilyaszulkarnain ZhongLi was actually really bad when he came out back in 1.1, i didnt use him until they buffed Geo 2 patches later.
@H2Ocup
@H2Ocup Жыл бұрын
​​​@@ilyaszulkarnainthats because he almost was.
@BlazeLibra
@BlazeLibra Жыл бұрын
Genuinely, considering the current roster of Pyro characters, and considering archons are best at something in their element, the pyro archon is going to be an absolute MENACE
@CzDelta92
@CzDelta92 11 ай бұрын
cant wait to have himeko in genshin too not gonna lie, saying this because her name is already released and is clear they are going for the multiverse theme
@BlazeLibra
@BlazeLibra 11 ай бұрын
@@CzDelta92 if himeko in every universe I wonder if
@dev32
@dev32 11 ай бұрын
I like to imagine his or her kit to be fireworks display with explosions and fire particles everywhere. Just to go with the main theme of Pyro, power.
@BlazeLibra
@BlazeLibra 11 ай бұрын
@@dev32 Imagine we get a kit even more backloaded than Eula. A really long rotation of nothing happening just to melt one single mega strike of pyro
@dev32
@dev32 11 ай бұрын
@@BlazeLibra oh that would be a pain
@bencegergohocz5988
@bencegergohocz5988 Жыл бұрын
They don't have to be the STRONGEST but they must be the peak of what their element is. Venti is the bigest suck in the game and also allows you to fly (tho that got powercrept by Scaramuche), Zhongli is the ultimate shield that far surpasses anything else, Raiden generates the most energy and her chackra desidorata intracts with the energy usage of other party members like nothing else, Nahida is the best at creating reactions and even has the unique ablility to boost the reaction damage of others. I have no idea how they are going to do this for the next 3 but they must stand out. The themes remaining are HP for hydro, Brute force big damage for pyro and Crit and/or freezing for cryo. I'm ganna be honest. I would much prefer character like Hu Tao falling out of the top tier rether than an incredibly plot relevant and hype character ending up strictly worse than someone from 1.x
@Jaz-tk5vx
@Jaz-tk5vx Жыл бұрын
Hu Tao is just a dps. More likely, Murata will powercreep Xiangling's AoE pyro application and/or Bennett's support capabilities. Or all three of them will be powercrept by her. Or, since 5.0 is over a year from now, she might be like Nilou and add a totally new reaction that is unique to her.
@res6148
@res6148 Жыл бұрын
@@Jaz-tk5vxif hydro isnt a dps then pyro probably will be one
@bencegergohocz5988
@bencegergohocz5988 Жыл бұрын
​@@Jaz-tk5vx Idk, i can't not picture vermilion knight: eclipse Himeko when i think of Murata so i kinda just asumed for years that she is going to be thr better Diluc
@jyll
@jyll Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say Venti's being able to let you fly got powercrept. Because Scara can only make himself fly, while Venti can make his team fly.
@nottyseel949
@nottyseel949 Жыл бұрын
There still is the untouched area in all elements of someone surpassing elemental gauge norms. The pyro archon could simply buff Hydro by applying enough pyro gauge (I think 4U is the highest atm) that reverse vaporize actually becomes a thing. It's actually what I wanted them to do with Dehya. Something like Nahida's mark that would trigger any time an elemental reaction was triggered on the marked opponent it would refresh the elemental pyro aura. Buffing the entire hydro roster and giving Yelan and Childe new team options where they are fully main dps. Could also do something like cause iron body or root (something like a "molten" state that would make it difficult to move enemies around) allowing for overload teams to work on regular mobs. You would just have to pull them together first cast the "molten" state and then go ham with overload reactions. Could also use the same mark to decrease shield strength or enhance the elemental gauge applied of all incoming elemental damage. There's plenty that they can do without powercreeping. They just need to be more creative than different colored or larger damage numbers.
@sen3680
@sen3680 Жыл бұрын
The difference between focalors/furina compared to the other archons is how no matter what, as long as she deals off field hydro dmg at a fast pace, she'll be good. "What's better than one xingqiu? TWO xingqius! You know what's better than two xingqius? THREE xingqius!!!!"
@satishg5538
@satishg5538 Жыл бұрын
Yelan, Xingqiu and Furina 😂 - I am already crying looking at my wallet
@gauravghosh870
@gauravghosh870 Жыл бұрын
I already got 2 xq....on my way to get another xq
@Soundwave1900
@Soundwave1900 Жыл бұрын
What's better than 4 xqs? 3 xqs and an aoe xq that buffs every other xq!
@gauravghosh870
@gauravghosh870 Жыл бұрын
@@Soundwave1900 waiting for that xq too
@manicpixiecassidy
@manicpixiecassidy Жыл бұрын
​@@gauravghosh870Focalors, Xingqiu, Yelan and Candace. The enemies will know Hydro Application.
@rebbudesu5088
@rebbudesu5088 Жыл бұрын
The Mona, Nilou and Kokomi erasure is insane. Morgana was the bomb. Nilou and Kokomi became part of the meta
@sei916
@sei916 Жыл бұрын
Really upsetting they didn’t mention Kokomi in this. She’s amazing in both her healing and her off field hydro application. She doesn’t apply hydro to your characters like barbara either, which was a real problem in Barbara’s playstyle, so she’s great for a ton of reactions.
@kamveng453
@kamveng453 Жыл бұрын
The problem with Nilou's cores is that she erases your team too. Unless you have Kokomi or Baizhu on your team you'd be playing Genshin Dark Souls.
@rebbudesu5088
@rebbudesu5088 Жыл бұрын
@@kamveng453 yaoyao literally exists and she eliminates those. As a main bloom driver, she is can be insane with xq/candace. Yaoyao has 50% dendro res and she heals your entire team on burst. That self dmg may have been a problem before but not anymore and we shouldnt ignore that. Thats literally the kuki situation.
@sei916
@sei916 Жыл бұрын
@@kamveng453 or kaveh
@jojomicheldu59
@jojomicheldu59 Жыл бұрын
I keep forgetting that Mona even exists. Back in the day she was in every vaporize team but now nobody even mentions her to the point where I completely forgot what her kit even is.
@dalekrek2213
@dalekrek2213 8 ай бұрын
Interesting to see how this has aged with Furina out. Id argue that Furina qualifies as the strongest of her element by lifting up other units both in her element and outside of it.
@Grey-sz7rz
@Grey-sz7rz Жыл бұрын
Something I think that could make the hydro archon unique in a way that other hydro units can't offer, is the ability to reduce cooldowns for everyone in the party. The hydro element already has a bit of a connection with cooldown (eg, the monstadt weapon domain) so it wouldn't be an too far fetched. She also would be able to provide a unique role that wouldn't pit her against someone like Yelan
@isdrakon9802
@isdrakon9802 Жыл бұрын
Considering we don't have anyone that triggers a powerful vape from hydro with the ease that most of pyro can, I'd love to see that
@dragonarchive7443
@dragonarchive7443 Жыл бұрын
I love cooldown reduction (thundering fury, sacrificial weapons, etc) so I'm really hoping for something like this
@reizero246
@reizero246 Жыл бұрын
That would limit the teams she can be, maybe that could be cool on some teams, but would make improper CD rotation on others, making her useless. Besides they would make characters in the future with limitations to don't get benefit from Focalors. For example, Yelan have in her talent a dmg buff limitation made for Raiden C6. They changed in beta how her talent works, at first, she was keeping the buff while her burst is active, so a Raiden C6 who can reduce CD from burst 5 seconds would let Yelan buff infinite, they changed the talent and reseted the buff when she recast her burst. That was anti Raiden C6 change. Imagine in the future making that in elemental skills.
@ishleyro5457
@ishleyro5457 Жыл бұрын
​@@isdrakon9802To my understanding, the whole reason that we don't have powerful vape carries on the hydro side has more to do with the way that amplifying reactions interact with the amount of aura element on the target enemy than it has to do with the source of the reaction Forward vaporize removes significantly more pyro aura from an enemy than reverse vaporize removes hydro aura from an enemy... so it's not so much that we don't have hydro characters who can deliver strong attacks to amplify via forward vape. It's that we don't have pyro supports whose off-field pyro application can keep up with the amount of pyro aura removed via repeated forward vaporize reactions So... if you want forward vape to become a viable team, pray for characters with consistent and high-unit off-field pyro application. Like... basically pray for pyro Xingqiu
@ghaithnouh424
@ghaithnouh424 Жыл бұрын
I think it is gonna be the cryo archon skill, since it is hoyo game, we are gonna get Bronya at some point, and my guess the cryo archon is another Bronya.
@Just_Becky_Dammit
@Just_Becky_Dammit Жыл бұрын
I might not be using Jean for her CC, but punting enemies off a cliff, or into deep water and watching them down never gets old for me. 😄
@everythingdoesntlastforver1533
@everythingdoesntlastforver1533 11 ай бұрын
Ong, I think I went on 2 months straight just pushing people 😂
@nara-yana
@nara-yana Жыл бұрын
[8:51] The *Hydro Archon* just needs to have most of her elemental application coming from *Skill* instead of *Burst* to be better than Yelan and Xingqiu, as that would make for a character that is easier to build (no ER required) and has higher damage floor/ceiling (more rolls available), even if her numbers turn out to not be that good. Same for the Pyro archon.
@nithinnitc
@nithinnitc Жыл бұрын
nilou has good elemental application from skill, yeah she won't do damage with that in non-nilou style teams, but if what you need is hydro application, she has it.
@salt1360
@salt1360 Жыл бұрын
barbara and kokomi can do that
@eventhoughimaloserandavirg3279
@eventhoughimaloserandavirg3279 Жыл бұрын
I think hydro archon needs to do two things- have a max HP increasing ascension passive (maybe 10-30% depending on how many stacks you have) and 2.5u hydro application on her burst. Easy fix
@jadecoolness101
@jadecoolness101 11 ай бұрын
@@salt1360 Barbara's and Kokomi's off field hydro is one pulse every.. what, 2 sec? Gauge theory gives them an issue. Xingqiu and Yelan work well because they do MULTIPLE hydro hits at once. Hydro archon needs that, or she will fall behind.
@salt1360
@salt1360 11 ай бұрын
@@jadecoolness101 no ,barbara can apply hydro from her ring whenever ur active character gets close to enemy , she heals every 3-4s but that isnt her hydro application.
@darkroast9907
@darkroast9907 6 ай бұрын
Furina is arguably way OP and also much more balanced. She's very risk/reward in how she works, and I think that's the smartest way they could've handled it.
@Wandermidget
@Wandermidget Жыл бұрын
Archon's need to have at least one aspect of their kit that makes them the strongest in their respective element. Like how Nahida will always have the best Dendro application out of all the Dendro characters. Someone like Alhaitham can have comparable levels of dendro application, but Nahida can accomplish that off field as well as on field, while Alhaitham can only do so from the latter.
@Felis0000
@Felis0000 Жыл бұрын
Despite Alhaitham applies dendro so fast on field, but yeah off field dendro application makes Nahida much better.
@lyg483
@lyg483 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Alhaitham and Nahida’s case is truly a good one. Alhaitham does more onfield dmg and is basically Dendro Tartaglia when it comes to elemental application. But Nahida has part of that an much MUCH more. So they overlap on some areas but no enough to make the other useless
@Farisss11
@Farisss11 Жыл бұрын
the problem of that guess, xingqiu is alrd had strongest hydro application off field, and childe alrd had strongest hydro application on field, how then?
@Mutalist
@Mutalist Жыл бұрын
@@Farisss11 xingqiu's application is single target , just give the archon an AoE application and she'll surpass him easily
@danieliyandani3078
@danieliyandani3078 Жыл бұрын
​@@Farisss11 AOE xingqiu for hydro archons
@honeybeeami2654
@honeybeeami2654 Жыл бұрын
For me, they need to be the core definition of their element. Crowd control, reactions, energy battery, and shields in each kit are the central focus. You'll likely have at least one Kazuha in every future element that has a unique spin on the kit and meta, but I think the archons are meant to showcase what the singular aspect of their element tends to focus on.
@Ashtarte3D
@Ashtarte3D 8 ай бұрын
I think Furina did a good job of showing how through unique utility, i.e. her dual Arkhe and water walking, you can keep the Archons feeling powerful without having to power creep all the other units of the element. Granted Furina is also very goddam strong with just how many things she can accomplish with having big buffing ability and super easy off-field dps.
@Kuddochan
@Kuddochan Жыл бұрын
I’d say they should be the primary representation of their element’s core design philosophy. As a consequence of that it is to be expected that they should be strong in order to excel in that role. That doesn’t necessarily have to mean they have to be the strongest character of their entire element though, as there can be other play styles covered by other characters within the same element that they aren’t in direct contention with
@Vis_BSG
@Vis_BSG Жыл бұрын
I just noticed the tanooki at the bottom of the screen that shows video progress, love it
@delta321..
@delta321.. Жыл бұрын
Perfection🎉🎉
@varryi2041
@varryi2041 11 ай бұрын
I really hope Furina gets the same treatment as Nahida not only in power lvl, but also in character lore and region interactions (like Nahida's mind reading ability for Sumeru NPC)
@julesgarcia7406
@julesgarcia7406 10 ай бұрын
Hi, speaking from the current time. Furina is the best hydro
@kredablegaming7153
@kredablegaming7153 9 ай бұрын
Well you know there's still neuvillette so im not sure about that
@Yukio62836
@Yukio62836 9 ай бұрын
​@@kredablegaming7153Well neuvillete is a sovereign so it's okay if he's stronger than her but furina should be strong among the fontaine character
@Azraelson
@Azraelson 9 ай бұрын
she can shift between Pneuma and Ousia and can walk on water I'd say that certainly fits the bill
@ginak5802
@ginak5802 9 ай бұрын
@@julesgarcia7406 Her kit does look really good for supporting. I just pulled C1 Wriothesley and I think there could be some good synergy between them. But i wouldn't necessarily say she is the best hydro. Very good, but idk if best yet
@jentlesites
@jentlesites 11 ай бұрын
Coming back to this after Neuvilette leaks, yeah Furina has very big shoes to step into. Even going the healer route with a HP not like Kokomi will be difficult (who also happens to have insane hydro application) 💀
@db1777
@db1777 Жыл бұрын
People definitely expect her to be strong purely based on lore. I don't know what Hoyo has planned up their sleeves because we already have so many busted hydro characters.
@asoret
@asoret Жыл бұрын
I mean they could just go healing route and easy powercreep barbara and kokomi, having a xingqiu/yelan that also heals
@db1777
@db1777 Жыл бұрын
@asoret18 DPS/ Healer, that could work. The trick is how to make a new character that doesn't make existing ones redundant.
@saad_5151
@saad_5151 Жыл бұрын
@@asoretwouldn't that bring the game off balance tho in how OP that would be?
@thezard7013
@thezard7013 Жыл бұрын
​@SaAd-oy8iw well raiden broke the balance alongside nahida. The thing is AT THE TIME of their release they didn't truly power creep anyone other then their respective traveler variants.
@Marz333
@Marz333 Жыл бұрын
@@saad_5151it’s not op if they balance her multipliers
@mate6043
@mate6043 Жыл бұрын
I'm a hydro main and I love how good all of them are in their own way. They all bring something unique to the table even candance and barbara with their lower usage. I don't expect the hydro archon to be the best hydro character because there will always be some place where another hydro will be better. I just hope the hydro archon continues that trend and furthers hydro's dominion as the best element imo
@AbyssArray
@AbyssArray Жыл бұрын
Barbara does have a team where she's generally the best for: a Nilou Bloom team. An on-demand heal on a team where you do take a ton of self-damage.. I believe Barbara also has a slightly longer burst animation so you can stay invulnerable for a little longer too as a side thing lol
@mate6043
@mate6043 Жыл бұрын
@@AbyssArray agreed. Her usage is lower than other hydros unfort
@hikar1_
@hikar1_ Жыл бұрын
Genshin seems to be using a similar methodology that honkai impact has used over the years with hershers and archons, in both games everytime a hersher or archon is realeased they have the best numbers but more importantly have the game change around them, meaning new mechanics, bosses and everything else. I think with the hydro archon they will introduce something that is synergistic with her kit while giving her very good numbers allowing for a new niche.
@azizulhaziq9766
@azizulhaziq9766 10 ай бұрын
you mean like introduction of new mechanism? 😮
@MrHav1k
@MrHav1k Жыл бұрын
They probably should be, but in the specific case of Focalors, they can tune her such that she's on par with the other options or slightly worse, but give her massive role consolidation. Like give her slightly less healing than Kokomi, slightly less damage than Xingqiu, etc, but be able to perform all those roles. Epic role consolidation could set her apart while not technically powercreeping everyone.
@jadecoolness101
@jadecoolness101 11 ай бұрын
I love a good ol' jack of all trades. Especially given hydro's theme of flexibility, having the hydro archon serve multiple roles in a team EFFECTIVELY, would be great. "The power of water is its ability to take any shape" after all.
@jyll
@jyll Жыл бұрын
My prediction for Focalors kit is either or a combination of these: 1. HP-scaling 2. Skill cooldown reduction 3. Bubbles I'm looking forward to be proven wrong. I'll be surprised if I'm right. 🤣
@arrrrrrrr6593
@arrrrrrrr6593 Жыл бұрын
My bet is on direct HP buffer. Meaning she just straight up increase team's max HP and buff their dominant stat (e.g Kazuha's EM, Yelan's HP, Albedo's DEF, Yoi's ATK, etc.). That way, she can be EXTREMELY versatile in any teams possible, combined with some CC features where Hydro is lacking would be nice too
@Abicated
@Abicated Жыл бұрын
Id like to see her buff hydro reactions. Especially transformative reactions. If she could bring freeze, shatter, and electrocharge comps into the mainstream for a while, I think that would create a unit that isnt broken or competing with XQ and Yelan while still being meta defining.
@zoaero
@zoaero 11 ай бұрын
now if they really make that its honesty will be really good, imagine if her ultimate will make rain or something and also buff the hydro reaction dmg its definitely worth it bro
@uatom
@uatom 11 ай бұрын
Isn’t freeze mainstream? It’s always the most used comp for people completing abyss
@Abicated
@Abicated 11 ай бұрын
@@uatom With how boss heavy the abyss has been for the past few cycles, freeze loses a large chunk of its appeal, as you're missing out on both croud control and crit rate woth them being unfrozen. Based on usage rates, I would assume dendro comps followed by childe national is the most common.
@uatom
@uatom 11 ай бұрын
@@Abicated dendro is just insanely op, any unit that can be used with dendro reactions instantly becomes useable. I’d prefer if they buffed other elements.
@Abicated
@Abicated 11 ай бұрын
@@uatom Hey, man. You won't hear me disagreeing. I really want them to buff the bottom half of reactions for more viability. That means buffing crystallize, physical, freeze, shatter, overload, burgeon, burning, and electrocharged. If I'm being honest here, I'd also like to see a unit that works around unique melt mechanics. Not just throwing xiangling and Bennett on a team, but something fresh.
@bomj-valera
@bomj-valera Жыл бұрын
I expect Hydro archon to be a combo of Xingqui and Kokomi with immense amount of Hydro Application and great Healing potential while still having considerable damage.
@jadecoolness101
@jadecoolness101 11 ай бұрын
I'd like her to be like... an upgraded Kuki. Reliable healing on skill that follows you, with good elemental application (hydro archon would probably want a little more application than Kuki) and then a dps focused burst. Whether that burst is actually her doing damage, or buffing the team, or a little of both... Just something to Do Damage.
@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur
@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur 11 ай бұрын
Leaks From the looks of it, she's off field hydro application while buffing the team for a lot.
@maurorodriguez9508
@maurorodriguez9508 Жыл бұрын
She could be the best off field hydro applicator that doesn't rely on basic atracks. That way she could be insanely powerful, fill that playstyle and not step over Yelan in terms of supporting capabilities. I Still want to make an only hydro team though 😂
@Elrog3
@Elrog3 9 ай бұрын
nice prediction
@maurorodriguez9508
@maurorodriguez9508 9 ай бұрын
@@Elrog3I'm dying to see her in action. I've been farming artifacts for her since the launch of Fontaine and I just need one good sands or circlet and I'm all set
@sanjeethmahendrakar
@sanjeethmahendrakar Жыл бұрын
An archon doesn't necessarily have to be the strongest but they have to be the one who represents their element well and for hints look at the resonance buffs. Venti with his crowd control fits the above criteria. Zhongli too. Geo represents shields so ofcourse he should have the best one. Raiden gets the best ER and consistent electro application. Nahida is the best EM and reaction buffer. So extrapolating that further for the future. Hydro archon should have something HP related but also maybe something to do with versatility and fluidity. She should work with any and all teams. The pyro archon should be the archon who is actually supposed to be a DPS. Make them the best at it. Also because all the previous archons were supports or support adjacent, a dedicated DPS archon would not break the game too much. The cryo archon is basically another option for a freeze team. So cryo application like raiden skill and maybe a nuke with a crit rate buff to the party after using it.
@mak1x3
@mak1x3 Жыл бұрын
About the pyro archon paragraph - Raiden Shogun is already an amazing DPS, so u cant say that there is not dedicated DPS
@arrrrrrrr6593
@arrrrrrrr6593 Жыл бұрын
​@@mak1x3I think they meant a DEDICATED DPS. Meaning there is no room for her to be off field to work, unlike Raiden Shogun who's a great support on top of being a great DPS. Kinda like Hu Tao
@darksyde0418
@darksyde0418 Жыл бұрын
To put it simply: They're Gods of their own elements, so yes.
@user_3460
@user_3460 Жыл бұрын
I do think Archons, at least in canon, should be the best at their element. I also like to think that they're just holding back their full power (like how Yae only uses 1/5 of her power when using her skill) since they can literally terraform Teyvat. Gameplay wise, I think not necessarily, and it doesn't ruin the immersion either.
@LISA.WANG.
@LISA.WANG. Жыл бұрын
Love the little details of your videos like listing music and having a cute progress tracker
@readerofalltrades
@readerofalltrades Жыл бұрын
The game's combat system has a solid foundation imo and Hoyo has deliberately kept off any sudden changes to it (some might argue it was too slow). With that foundation in place I think with the upcoming archons they can explore more gameplay styles. Hydro can do something with HP. Pyro can do something like a DOT (Make burning viable or something). Cryo can bring shatter to limelight. (While they are it do something with crystalize please....).
@arrrrrrrr6593
@arrrrrrrr6593 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a leak Dehya being a Burning reaction character
@nithinnitc
@nithinnitc Жыл бұрын
@@arrrrrrrr6593 We all know how that turned out, the 'burning kit' character to 'burnt out kit' character.
@Xgil2Play
@Xgil2Play 11 ай бұрын
After 1.1, Burning will never be the viable mechanic, unless it's like Raiden's Eye of Stormy Judgment.
@northstar67
@northstar67 Жыл бұрын
A lot of expectations for the hydro archon, hope mihoyo wont mess her up. Every hydro unit released has been very good, like seriously aside from barbara and candace every hydro unit right now are just top tier units.
@satishg5538
@satishg5538 Жыл бұрын
Barbara is still good in many teams and Candace is a good Unit for beginners
@jadecoolness101
@jadecoolness101 11 ай бұрын
Candace is good though? She buffs more than Yun Jin in crowd situations... Candace is just niche. niche doesn't equal bad.
@JezusNoScope
@JezusNoScope 5 ай бұрын
It's funny watching this after Furina ATE completely on her relase lmao. She may not be an Archon anymore, but she definetely slayed her element
@KazehareRaiden
@KazehareRaiden 11 ай бұрын
I was pulling for Lyney, but know I am waiting for Furina. If I win the 50/50 she will be my first archon and honestly I don't are how powerful she is. I just really like her design and knowing how popular Yelan is I will have many opportunities to pull for her
@barrywest-allen3261
@barrywest-allen3261 Жыл бұрын
I don't expect the Hydro archon to powercreep any of the existing hydro units. But if she was designed to, she would need to follow these conditions: - having very fast off-field application (no icd) that doesn't rely on normal attacks to trigger - have HP damage scalings similar to Kokomi but without her crit rate limitations - apply at least 3 units of hydro - revive teammates easily without a 15 minute cooldown - be an HP buffer in their base kit
@dott8348
@dott8348 Жыл бұрын
I think Archons should bring something the element is missing, or yes be the strongest
@efeozdemir-ry5pv
@efeozdemir-ry5pv Жыл бұрын
Yelan: Probably the best character in the game. Incredible damage and buffing as well as overworld exploration. Xingqiu: Probably the second best character. He makes up for his damage (which is still very good) with the best off-field application and utility. Childe: Although a bit hard to use he applies the most hydro and does it Aoe! He is not as flexible but international variant is “still” one of the best teams. Ayato: Although his ceiling is lower than Tartagles he is incredibly flexible and has so many synergies and potential with other supports. Kokomi: Aoe hydro application and healing makes her a staple in dendro teams. She even can be a good main dps and driver (Sukokomon, Light of KeqingMains). Mona: She lost her spot to Kokomi and her power to Dendro but she is still (in my opinion) the best hydro for freeze teams and still offers the most powerful debuff ever. Nilou: Her investment to power ratio is absolutely crazy and does not demand specific supports, just hydro dendro boom boom. At this point Focalors has to summon the whole ocean to the abyss if she wants to have a spot in our teams.
@bobjones4469
@bobjones4469 Жыл бұрын
Call Yelan the "best character" is a bit of a stretch, to say the least. She's also very niche, there's only a handful of characters that work well with her Burst. Also, Xingqiu sucks, those who are still using him are seriously nerfing themselves. I saw a dude trying to use Yelan and Xingqiu in a Hyperbloom team with Nahida and Kuki in Abyss and my god, it was painful to watch. Honestly, if you don't got Hu Tao or Yomiya, Yelan ain't even worth it.
@nicopz4270
@nicopz4270 Жыл бұрын
​@@bobjones4469 xinqui is probably the best character in the game, he is completely broken
@nithinnitc
@nithinnitc Жыл бұрын
@@bobjones4469 xingqiu is one of the best characters, gives you good offfield application and damage, damage reduction(It is very strong with or without shield) and some healing. I have a C4 yelan and still I sometimes consider xingqiu for his defensive utility. You are trolling or may be just new to game and its mechanics.
@lunasquib
@lunasquib Жыл бұрын
@@nicopz4270 my opinion the “best” character doesn’t even exist. XQ is probably the most versatile in combat Yelan in combat and open world where XQ lacks While I think Kazuha wins over Yelan with Combat and overworld But put Kazuha in any team where he doesn’t swirl an element and or group enemies and his usability drops immensely Kokomi is great for survivability and support in general even overworld so you don’t have to tp to the statue or eat your heart out to survive but her power is lacking and even in healer senses some healers are “better” than her depending on investment ofc also Soo long story short There is no best character in my opinion
@ImNeon_
@ImNeon_ Жыл бұрын
The thing is, not everybody likes Yelan or xingqui's playstyle so even if she is a support, people may want her more than Yelan strictly off of playstyle alone. The fact that her status is archon level is enough reason for players to get her already.
@nakashima8453
@nakashima8453 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the hydro archon could be a dps, a healer and/or an exploration character. Kokomi shows off that they could possibly make the new archon be amazing in water exploration. Just imagine if the skill allowed you to walk on water, has a long duration but a short cooldown like Raiden’s skill. If they wanted to implement healing factors for her, they could just make it like Barbara’s skill but the hydro application is in a bigger range and doesn’t affect the player when they’re healed. They could give her a hydro infusion for her attacks if they rather not have hydro application intervene with other reactions. The burst could be like a combination of Nilou’s and Barbara’s, that would definitely pack a punch with healing over time. It would make her unique and still manage to be overpowered if she scales with HP as that would most likely increase her numbers in both offence and healing. I can’t wait to see how they make her play style function as something powerful and special to her!
@loreyxillumina
@loreyxillumina 7 ай бұрын
Commenting after Furina's release, she's cranked and buffing 80% of the characters in the game.
@Kasraken
@Kasraken Жыл бұрын
I think a little power creep is ok, if they keep trying to prevent it we could end up with another Dehya situation, and I don't think anyone wants that to happen.
@thebluescaptain
@thebluescaptain Жыл бұрын
Kazuha literally powercrept Venti, Hu Tao powercrept Klee and Diluc, Dendro basically "soft" power creeping Anemo and Cryo. Powercreeping already exists since ever in Genshin, but miHoYo just won't do that too often as people will never pull for reruns in the future.
@axelvinicius3365
@axelvinicius3365 Жыл бұрын
@@thebluescaptain How did Dendro powercreep two elements that are used in dendro teams? Did you forget Nahida and Dehya are part of the best Ganyu Melt team or that Aggravate teams exists and use Anemo units? Kazuha doesn't have Venti's suction range, which is what Venti does best, so... yeah. Kokomi also powercrept Tartaglia in healing, lol. Hu Tao sucks in Monopyro, so how can she have powercrept Klee?
@thebluescaptain
@thebluescaptain Жыл бұрын
@@axelvinicius3365 Easy to debunk that comment. 1. Dendro doesn't need Anemo to work and people lately just use double hydro double dendro for hyperbloom and no anemo for spread. 2. Venti's suction is basically useless already and there's virtually no suckable enemies and how spiral abyss enemies are always put way far apart. Kazuha boosts swirl like crazy and how his bursts has a lot of functionality. 3. Nobody really uses Cryo for meta purposes. It's all just for waifu loyalty. And you bring Dehya? Lol. One jump/freeze/knock and it's over. 4. Kokomi and Childe have ultimately different roles. Also, mono element is impractical so that argument is irrelevant.
@banjoowo4001
@banjoowo4001 Жыл бұрын
@@thebluescaptain the dendro one is wrong, both are completely different playstyle and there are teams which uses dendro and anemo together in a team like keqing/yae aggreviate or that kokomi yae team etc
@banjoowo4001
@banjoowo4001 Жыл бұрын
@Kasraken getting a new character being bad rather seeing your well build character where you put hours into building get powercrept is much better
@jeffuxubu5227
@jeffuxubu5227 Жыл бұрын
Hmm I have an idea for Furina, the hydro archon’s kit, playing with the idea of duality (life steal & healing) 1. (Normal/charged attacks) just sword dances 2. (Skill- buff through life steal) Skill creates a 15s water “shield” on active character, shooting water projectiles that deal small hydro dmg whenever character performs NA/CA (kinda like beidou’s burst) During this period, slowly drains all party members’ HP over time (until 20%HP max drain) while buffing all characters dmg based on the HP lost (buff ends when shield expires) 3. (Burst- buff through healing) for 15s, creates a field that slowly draws enemies towards the centre , where water orb/cage/bubbles will emerge, homing in & trapping enemies. This cage deals periodic hydro dmg while enemy is trapped inside until it destroyed on its own (after 5s) or through popping. Characters who pop them (through any hydro reactions) will be healed & gain a dmg increase based on amount healed (lasts until burst duration ends) 3. (Passive) after active character pops burst bubble, increases their max HP & grants an EM bonus based on their max HP (lasts until burst ends) -essentially, if you unleash burst and skill together, characters can get all multiple buffs mentioned above + won’t die cuz of simultaneous healing and HPdrain mechanics
@God_of_wet
@God_of_wet Жыл бұрын
Ooh interesting, but it would be better if the em buff in the passive was changed into something else because thats nahida's thing
@Crystal323100
@Crystal323100 Жыл бұрын
The funny thing is I went out of my way to find Venti a spot on a team, and find he does great in Hyper Bloom/Aggravate/Spread teams due to all the electro ticks he can do while sucking in the Bloom Cores. Probably the one niche he has over Kazuha since the more ticks of electro/dendro the better for those reactions.
@cybergamer__
@cybergamer__ Жыл бұрын
You can also unironically make him swirl Hydro instead (hyperbloom situations), and this is even better than swirling electro imo. This let's you built more dmg on Venti by going for the crit build instead if the em since you might not even be creating enough blooms to need that much electro. It also helps in creating more seeds for the electro char to proc rather than him stealing procs. Another is that the Hydro characters usually like as much er as possible, so his energy refund passive helps them, while electro characters for hyperbloom don't really need their bursts.
@zethras5252
@zethras5252 Жыл бұрын
The idea of the hydro arrchon being a HP buffer might work : What if she adds a ton of HP to all party members, but she drains their HP with her burst to get a massive ATK buff, where a portion of the buff would be given to allies, kinda like the ER on Xiphos Moonlight. This would work considering the hydro resonance. And on top of all, it would'nt restrict her to a HP buffer.
@zachmurray9642
@zachmurray9642 11 ай бұрын
@oeshik4542 I'm not sure how reliable the leaks are but it seems that her burst reduces the health of your party (like Kuki) but you gain a lot of buffs...again not sure how reliable the leak is but definitely different from the massive hydro healers and applicators we have now
@legendkirito2715
@legendkirito2715 Жыл бұрын
Well Damn.. first time seeing you as a content creator and I'm pleasantly surprised. This was a really good video (both visually or if you just listening while getting some things done). I guess I found my new go to Genshin content creator ❤ Oh and you definitely got a sub from me 😁 keep up the great work 💪🏼
@pauljoseph3081
@pauljoseph3081 Жыл бұрын
Light & Abbyss would be the elemental powers of those who resides in Celestia, and since Celestia is the final arc, there will be another characters who uses Light & Abbyss elements such as Dain. These beings are beyond the Archons, just like the Traveller.
@Perrinoia_lP
@Perrinoia_lP Жыл бұрын
Crazy theory some people think that the hydro archon will have two forms. I think that would be a great way to make her super good. if one form was a good dps while the other was a really good short or healer. And this wouldn’t be like Childe it would be so that you Could switch at any time and stay as one form for as long as you want.
@jinminchoi838
@jinminchoi838 Жыл бұрын
I would say Venti still qualify to be the best anemo user for the main utility the element provides which is crowd control. Although they have an overlaps with their role, they are meant to work differently since Kazuha is more of a buffer.
@Menuki
@Menuki 11 ай бұрын
I feel like Mihoyo baked in their own plot element as an out for archon’s being not being OP. Losing their gnosis suggests that a significant portion of their power is lost.
@avenotrius4340
@avenotrius4340 11 ай бұрын
Well idk, not necessarily the case with Raiden
@Menuki
@Menuki 11 ай бұрын
@@avenotrius4340 Yae gave hers to Scaramouche in exchange to save the traveler. So she’s not operating with one like when she killed the snake
@playfulviranga
@playfulviranga Жыл бұрын
All the archons have brought quality of life (QoL) improvements to me: an old uncoordinated person playing with a touchscreen (iPad). Venti's whirlwind allowed me to be more imprecise in combat and also gave me occasional rest breaks. He also made world movement and catching crystalflies easier. I have to admit that Kazuha is even better for QoL. Zhongli is in nearly all of my teams. My inability to dodge resulted in me dying a lot before his arrival. Raiden allowed me to solo many more domains than I could before. Before Raiden I always needed friends to co-op with me to build my characters. Nahida allows me to spin in place instead of chasing enemies. Farming is also much nicer. The hydro archon doesn't have to be good in combat. I'm looking forward to seeing what QoL improvements she brings. The archons, I think, are designed for people who are unskilled at the game :)
@arthiexd
@arthiexd Жыл бұрын
They're the GODS OF THEIR ELEMENTS. Of course they should be the strongest or at least extremely overpowered.
@oliviaaargh
@oliviaaargh Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Zhongli isn't extremely overpowered + L + Ratio + Gorou better + You don't pick a shielder based on shield strength, just what they offer WITH shielding + RIPBOZO + only necessary for mid characters or bad players
@robertmarianomolina295
@robertmarianomolina295 11 ай бұрын
I mean it makes a lot of sense in a story telling perspective to be stronger. Gameplay wise, archons are quite hard to come by so it also makes sense that their kits are strong and has longevity in mind.
@SandB
@SandB Жыл бұрын
Thoughtful video 😮
@Maxdaperson
@Maxdaperson 11 ай бұрын
I think they will always be the best at what they mainly do venti with crowd control zhongli with shielding raiden with energy and nahida with application
@MrProdigy810
@MrProdigy810 11 ай бұрын
I think the thing that makes the archons strong is that they are practically always useful. They can all be slotted into most teams and do everything needed from their element. They might not be the best at everything but they CAN pheasably do everything their element demands of them and do 1 thing better than the rest. For the Hydro archon that would probably include healing, damage, hydro application and buffing, so I guess she’ll do all 4 and do 1 better than anyone else like the other archons (except the all-powerful Nahida).
@vilaskatigar4080
@vilaskatigar4080 9 ай бұрын
you prediction came true. she heals, does great damage, avg hydro application and god level buffer
@whyhellothere6855
@whyhellothere6855 Жыл бұрын
Wow, this was exactly what I was just thinking of too! I don’t think archons should be the best, but have a utility good and “niche” enough that they won’t be powercrept into obscurity. Although some might say Venti got outclassed by Kazuha, Venti is still the strongest in his niche: crowd control. He still makes movable mobs feel like a joke and despite the changes in current abyss, I doubt that utility of his to ever “fall off” in the future. I expect the same from the hydro archon - I don’t think any other hydro character can surpass Xingqiu or Yelan’s global utility right now, but that doesn’t mean focalors can’t be equally powerful in her own niche and unlock meta teams in the future, just like every archon has in the past.
@immortal8709
@immortal8709 10 ай бұрын
"You're just not good at child" 👍🏼
@giansabbadini1626
@giansabbadini1626 Жыл бұрын
They could make it so the hydro archon apart from dealing decent dmg and good hydro off field application, it can boost reactions in different ways, like freeze lasting 2s longer or electro charged jumping between enemies faster and more times, or have her own little niche like boosting party's elemental dmg based on her hp
@maroondream9111
@maroondream9111 Жыл бұрын
Like others have said I think the Archons should be the best in their specific domain and not try to cover every single thing the element can do. Venti is best CC, Zhongli is best shield, etc. Like you said, what keeps Raiden from being too OP is that she doesn't benefit from Dendro too much, therefore she doesn't dwarf the entire Electro element and allows for other units to be viable. I believe they could pull that off with Furina, making her strong in a very specific but still very useful area but say, doesn't have good hydro application or doesn't heal so she won't be in conflict with Yelan or Kokomi.
@Malam_NightYoru
@Malam_NightYoru Жыл бұрын
The best part of it is that Nahida actually does not break Traveler niche bc Traveler deals a considerable amount of damage and pairing them together in a Hyperbloom team may create too much damage for even you to handle (Traveler Dendro, Nahida, Kuki, Kokomi and yes, you WILL need the extra heal LMAO)
@kairos-049
@kairos-049 Жыл бұрын
I think with how stacked the Hydro roster is, Furina needs to be something different, like crowd control. But, the difficulty there lies in not encroaching on another element's niche
@ironspider_9522
@ironspider_9522 Жыл бұрын
I do remember someone pointing out that to not make power creep, the hydro archon should provide something xq and yelan dont have, or instead of competing, she could bring out a new niche playstyle which will push her away from the competition and make her kit her own separate thing, like how zhong dong provides petrification
@ninjaboy191
@ninjaboy191 Жыл бұрын
The hydro archon speculation/leaks suggest a healing and simultaneous buffing based on health consumption. A balancing act akin to the scales of justice. In that kinda role we don't really have much competition for her.
@the_knut
@the_knut Жыл бұрын
Yes. And I am not biased as someone saving for C6 Furina as a f2p. Nope not biased at all.
@x-gameslegendplayer
@x-gameslegendplayer 9 ай бұрын
I disagree with the fact that "Archons are the strongest characters" or "god tier characters" because that's something that we build, we create, for hype. Zhongli was not considered a good character during release, in fact he is the *only* character who recieve a buff (at 1.3). Raiden was also not considered a good character when she released. Basically, during beta, Raiden ult could synergy with Beidou ult, and it was a strong combo, but when she released this combo has been removed, and mihoyo claimed that "Raiden dmg is considered ult dmg, not normal attack dmg, as such it doesn't synergy". This was the first time we heard this explaination, and it felt like a random nerf. That's why I don't like this argument: no one said that Zhongli should be "god tier", nor beta was an official showcase. That's "hype", something that, for some reason, we like to blame ourselves even if it's not our fault. It is a great way to sell anything and an even better way to get us dissapointed because we fear being disappointed.
@fkun1156
@fkun1156 Жыл бұрын
I would really like a nice easy off-field hydro application. Even if the archon had a useless burst but had a nice skill that applied hydro with a really low cooldown and great uptime. That would allow so many hyperbloom teams with an electro or dendro dps
@rogerxd1653
@rogerxd1653 11 ай бұрын
I love the shark is running the same speed as video time indactor(like loading screen)
@kacchan9467
@kacchan9467 Жыл бұрын
I'm pulling for her regardless of her kit, her design and voice are absolutely gorgeous
@alasandrame2542
@alasandrame2542 Жыл бұрын
They could just make the hydro Archon do different Things than yelan or xq, like idk make her a buffer/healer anything or idk something new,so like that she might not be best hydro char but with xq's existence it just is hard to bassicly impossible
@PR1ME98
@PR1ME98 9 ай бұрын
Raiden is fucking awesome. Been using her at C3 since she came out. I LOVE how she’s just like: “okay everyone lets spam your burst to fuel my nuke type burst”
@spainwithoutthes4376
@spainwithoutthes4376 Жыл бұрын
Another thing I feel interesting to mention with all the hp scaling remarks is Barbara's recent nerf. The healing range of her burst was 200m, and has been nerfed to 30m, with the devs claiming it was a bug that has been in the game... since release. With how random the timing is, and how no one thought to fix this for 2 years, many people are suspecting the hydro archon is going to be a healer to one up Barbara being a five star and an archon.
@Tiramisukxy
@Tiramisukxy Жыл бұрын
Imo, I hope the hydro archon is not a HP buffer. Not because it's a niche or anything. But more on the game balance. Think about it, if focalors provide HP buff, characters like hutao, Nilou, Yelan, hydro resonance, Bennett, kokomi will also get an immense buff as well. A lot of the HP scalers are already considered one of the best out there and the gap of their power level vs other attack based characters who are already not so meta will be larger than ever. Which could even discourage players from pulling for them. It's sounds kinda unfair for players who have to wait years to get a dedicated support where you still need her C6 for xiao or eula. HP scaling characters are already strong and are dominating the "meta". There is not much reason to buff them even more, why not buff some characters who do need one like dehya. It would much prefer if Focalors provide some new playstyle rather than just being a Vape/bloom/freeze support for already existing strong characters.
@Malam_NightYoru
@Malam_NightYoru Жыл бұрын
Or just pull for what you want and play what you like. You don't need the "cheap paths for success", my man. cheers
@oliviaaargh
@oliviaaargh Жыл бұрын
​@@Malam_NightYoruHas it ever crossed your mind that some people enjoy meta, so if you don't know if they do this """"advice"""" is absolutely useless? lmao
@sage_669
@sage_669 Жыл бұрын
This is the exact kind of thought I have been having for some days, since the other 4 Archons are either the best of their respective elements or at the very least one of the best of their respective element, then the Hydro Archon should be busted AF since as we all know Hydro is literally the best element right now with OP characters such as Yelan, Xingqiu, Ayato, Childe, Nilou, Kokomi and others and keeping that in mind Furina should be the OP-est character we have seen so far. Personally I am hoping that at the very least Furina would one of the top contender alongside Yelan and Xingqiu.
@satishg5538
@satishg5538 Жыл бұрын
I am currently saving for her and planning to include her in the Abyss team. Hope she's a great character.
@ZD-rm3gh
@ZD-rm3gh 11 ай бұрын
What about low-damage, off-field AOE hydro application, combined with big HP buffs for team? Useful everywhere for the hydro app, but you only use her full kit if you have HP scalers
@dreamllusion8390
@dreamllusion8390 Жыл бұрын
What I could see, is that the hydro archon would boost physical attacker real hard more than any 4stars that we have (like atk speed, atk% crt rate AND crt dmg) and boost damage on reaction teams where an element is used alongside a phys atk (like razor). Or and make a nahida dome kind of burst. Of course it would help everyone but that could be a nice "torrent of renaissance" for phys attacker
@LCliffhanger
@LCliffhanger Жыл бұрын
They should be best at something or at least one of the top 3 characters in their element, I think the Hydro Archon should be one of the games best healers and have great Hydro aplication. I'm also hoping the Pyro Archon is gonna be the best DPS, or at least the best Pyro DPS.
@maroondream9111
@maroondream9111 Жыл бұрын
In that case that would render Xingqiu, Yelan, and Kokomi completely useless. Hoyoverse has been fairly decent in not letting powercreep get too out of hand but that would just explode everything
@Yanaro-pi8pt
@Yanaro-pi8pt Жыл бұрын
@@maroondream9111 Nah You can have many hydro characters in 2 teams for abyss. For example, both Hutao and Nahida can use double hydro for vape and hyperbloom, Nilou also wants one or two for her bloom. Many strong pyro team also wants one. It's pretty easy to make 2 teams that have 3 or 4 hydro characters, those slightly weaker than hydro archon should still be relevant, just somewhat less desirable.
@LCliffhanger
@LCliffhanger Жыл бұрын
@@maroondream9111 good healing and hydro application would at most, powercreep kokomi and barbara. Just as Kazuha could be said to powercreep Venti and Sucrose. Most Anemo Characters are good and they mostly do the same thing, even though Kazuha is king, Venti, Sucrose, Wanderer and so on, are all still worth using and are still great characters. Yelan and Xinqou are the best Hydro characters, that doesnt mean Tartaglia isnt still a great Hydro character that's entirely worth using. So making the Hydro Archon the queen of Healing and maybe Hydro Application isnt going to make Yelan, Kokomi or Xinqou, any less worthwhile. Just like Kazuha, doesnt make Venti, Wanderer or Sucrose any less viable.
@oliviaaargh
@oliviaaargh Жыл бұрын
​@@LCliffhangerKazuha didn't powercreep Venti and Sucrose Venti doesn't do the same thing = can be used in different situations = can't be powercrept by anyone who isn't as good at grouping as him Sucrose is literally equal in power level, arguably better if you consider that you don't have to spend 14k primos on average for her. Still amazing at buffing, only worse in freeze and mono teams, and can on-field for reactions unlike Kazuha. And mentioning Wanderer is straight up a joke, there's no way... HE'S A DPS, WHY ARE YOU COMPARING HIM TO KAZUHA 😂😂😂😂😂 (also he's quite probably the fifth worst 5 star DPS so RIPBOZO)
@LCliffhanger
@LCliffhanger Жыл бұрын
@@oliviaaargh my entire point was that they dont powercreep eachother even though Venti and Kazuha are the top Anemo characters Everything i said was that they dont powercreep eachother, so theres nothing wrong with the Hydro Archon coming out really strong because there will still be reasons to play the other Hydro Characters. My entire point was, you could say Kazuha powercrept other Anemo characters because he's generally the top Anemo character, but theres still plenty of reasons to use the other Anemo characters as Anemo is still one of, if not the best element. Just cause Kazuha and Venti are the kings of Anemo, doesnt mean you cant still use Wanderer or Sucrose to great effect. That was my entire point. I'm not saying they play the same by any means, i'm just saying it's fine to have more powerful characters, we shouldnt hold upcoming characters back just because they might be really powerful and might give us a reason to change some of our team comps. So even if the Hydro Archon is easily the top Hydro Character, Yelan and Xinqou are still gonna be just as Viable as they are now.
@acee.5517
@acee.5517 Жыл бұрын
i think what is missing from hydro roster is the strong CC, since most current hydro units either dish out dmg, tanky, healer, or a buffer and yes you could say that mona's q and yelan's e are cc but aren't effective as much, plus people observed that most archon's abilities can be seen through the slimes abilities (somehow) so that is what i am mostly looking forward for the hydro archon
@thatminer7174
@thatminer7174 Жыл бұрын
Archons usually represent the main job of their element. Hydro would be subdps/ healer probs
@banjoowo4001
@banjoowo4001 Жыл бұрын
@@thatminer7174 no heal anymore, the hydro resonance has been changed to buff hp, I bet she would do the opposite lol like take away hp
@tintedplot96
@tintedplot96 11 ай бұрын
Archons come once a year they are the pinnacle of hype. They should definitely be better
@gnocchinope
@gnocchinope Жыл бұрын
I mean if it were up to me to build the hydro archon’s kit I’d put an EM buff in there- idk just kinda makes sense and would make her a good support in dendro and hydro teams.
@islowclick
@islowclick Жыл бұрын
Yes they should be stronger. Canonically they are a higher form than vision holders and i celestia has to give them a much more op power in ALL aspects of their elemets
@Candytime9
@Candytime9 Жыл бұрын
yet one of the strongest dps in game is a funeral parlor director lol.
@jmd0605
@jmd0605 Жыл бұрын
Canon has nothing to do with kit
@shadibrahim1489
@shadibrahim1489 Жыл бұрын
Honestly can’t see her being better than c6 Xingqiu, he’s literally perfect
@oliviaaargh
@oliviaaargh Жыл бұрын
Quite literally the best character in the game lmao
@Polypoly06
@Polypoly06 Жыл бұрын
Almost...He has one flaw. He's a femboy QQ. There was a lot of videos where people show characters to people who don't play genshin. They always mistake XQ for a girl lol...
@EngelAguilar
@EngelAguilar Жыл бұрын
Lack of AOE, the only thing she could be better
@user-iq1hj2ds4q
@user-iq1hj2ds4q Жыл бұрын
He lacks AoE
@oliviaaargh
@oliviaaargh Жыл бұрын
@@Polypoly06 THAT'S A FLAW FOR YOU?????????????
@A_Clavicle
@A_Clavicle 11 ай бұрын
I have a feeling they’d be best at specific things that the element is good at, maybe even relating to the elemental team resonance, as well as application being super good. Venti with crowd control as well as a neat mobility tool, Zhongli with his best shield in the game, Raiden with the energy recharge, nahida with the elemental mastery, I can imagine the main appeal of the hydro archon is maybe healing?? maybe boosting health and probably a lot of hydro application, Pyro archon idk maybe just a real good dps or atk booster, cryo, who knows
@khanhquocvong
@khanhquocvong Жыл бұрын
She could slow enemies in a radius around you, both attack and movement speed, and apply hydro to all enemies in the field It would allow her to be niche while enabling reactions yet at the same time doesn’t directly do much to buff hydro since they’re pretty strong already
@astyutechick7980
@astyutechick7980 Жыл бұрын
Here's my BEST idea that I could think of so far. (Full kit idea below, I think it's a pretty exciting idea!) An On-Field FORWARD vape carry. Consider this: Childe and Ayato already fulfill the roll of on field carrys. And they do it quite well. BUT they are ENABLERS. Xingqiu and Yelan are S tier supports, who are ALSO enablers by nature. So instead of stepping on either of their toes, we consider what's missing - good hydro shielders, hydro resistance shred (I guess Xingqiu does that a bit), Strong AoE hydro application, which falls off in single target (like Beidou but Hydro)... But I think a dps where YOU can decide when you wanna apply the element is really engaging. Her Kit: Normals: Polearm user. Don't do much damage but are REALLY important. Have low or mediocre scaling. Skill: Strikes with her weapon in front of her, dealing damage in a VERY wide cone. Enemies on the outer/further area of that cone area are dealt WAY more damage than enemies close to her (in other words: the outer edge of her skill is the "sweet-spot"). Has a VERY low cooldown (I'm talking 2 to 4 seconds ish). Importantly, NO ICD! Burst: Does a single instance of damage (medium scaling - but could be low or high depending on balance) in a MASSIVE AoE (I'm talking Kazuha or Ganyu burst sizes) and creates a "water vortex" for x seconds. While water vortex is active: 1) she will KEEP PULLING IN any enemies that are in that aoe range towards her. 2) Her NORMAL attacks will PUSH the enemies away from her (so that they are in the skill sweet-spot range). 3) Her skill will gain bonus damage. Now - notice that she's ONLY applying hydro with her Skill and just once with her burst at the start. But her skill aoe is huge. The idea that she will suck all the enemies towards her but will have to push them away to get the sweet spot damage is really satisfying and engaging as an on-field carry. Her normals can be infused with other elements, opening variety of comps but especially vape WITH Bennett (and you can stand on Bennett's circle while she sucks everyone in - while her autos apply pyro with C6 Bennett). But you can just as easily rely on off-field pyro application like Xiangling or Kazuha infusion... Idk. She may be great in freeze comps too due to her burst. Point is, you're constantly engaged and her normals, skill and burst work together fluidly! Edit: another thing I want to add: Her normals, while burst is active, push enemies away to the sweet spot range. But if enemies are heavy, she pushes herself back to that distance. And if the enemies are in-between light and heavy, you both get pushed half-half to maintain the sweetspot range. Also, it does NOT stagger the enemies!
@dragunityx12
@dragunityx12 Жыл бұрын
Too long, will not read.
@-1081
@-1081 Жыл бұрын
Well, it wouldn't really make sense if they would sell Focalors as a DPS built on atk rather than a support built on HP since the elemental resonance have so far "complimented" the Archons with the exception of maybe Venti, and knowing that the hydro resonance is tied to HP (and once was healing), then it wouldn't be farfetched for Focalors to scale on HP rather than atk (and it follows the pattern of newer 5* hydro units with Kokomi, Ayato(somewhat), Yelan, and Nilou And according to leaks (don't scroll down if you don't want to look at it): Focalors may manipulate the HP of the team to provide corresponding buffs. Plus, I have a hunch that Focalors would buff other hydro units the most rather than buffing other non-hydros (due to HP manipulation of the whole team and possibly converting HP to damage) since there is a suspicious pattern of rerunning almost every 5* hydro unit before Focalors (Nilou in 3.6, in Kokomi in the last patch before 4.0, according to leaks, Childe and Yelan would also rerun in 4.0, and Ayato or Nilou may also rerun in 4.1 alongside another leaked 5* hydro character)
@eli-chan4159
@eli-chan4159 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I really couldn't care less. I'm still pulling for her because of her design and element alone. If she ends up being amazing, then that's a win/win situation for me :) And I'm actually planning to get some cons. (I'm f2p but I'm saving up primos for her)
@varusagar1443
@varusagar1443 10 ай бұрын
Here's the thing , furina's leaks says that she has some new mechanics in game that is related to gravity , and I don't think any other hydro character has that ability so yes she's gonna make her own new league for competition if there's any character release in future with same mechanism
@danielferrieri7434
@danielferrieri7434 Жыл бұрын
Venti: Drunk Musician Zhongli: BROKE Raiden Shogun: Booba Blade Nahida: Mind Reader Focalors: Ace Attorney Murata: Kratos, but a Girl The Tsaritsa: Evil Elsa
@kennethyabut8582
@kennethyabut8582 Жыл бұрын
nahida stalker. shogun deez nuts
@utkua4820
@utkua4820 Жыл бұрын
Hydro doesnt have any cc character rn yes we can use hydro in freeze teams with cryo but especially for nilou teams there is nothing can we use or vapo teams so I believe she is gonna have a stun or slow mechanic just like zhongli petrifies mobs with ult and I think instead of vapo she is gonna shine more with dendro but will see 😅
@JustASunflowerSeeD
@JustASunflowerSeeD Жыл бұрын
omg imagine she makes some sort of a whirlpool that sucks enemies and stuns them and applies hydro. she could have the benefit of not needing to auto attack to apply hydro which is something Xingqiu and Yelan don't have 👀
@proles8
@proles8 Жыл бұрын
ngl dude, with the amount of AoE nilou bloom has and esp with nahida's range, I don't think that Nilou bloom needs AoE maybe just a lil positioning
@utkua4820
@utkua4820 Жыл бұрын
@@JustASunflowerSeeD yeah would be cool
@utkua4820
@utkua4820 Жыл бұрын
@@proles8 not only nilou teams with dendro people dont have enough slots to use anemo for cc so hydro archon might fill that role(ofcourse you can use anemo in dendro teams but then you cant use one of the resonance)
@itsdomd0misticn00b7
@itsdomd0misticn00b7 Жыл бұрын
Focalors having AOE Hydro cc would break the game, she'll make Anemo completely irrelevant in a lot of teams.
@Aaronmizuno
@Aaronmizuno Жыл бұрын
Hydro Archon? Given that she's all about dunking on people in the courtroom, I'm guessing we're going to see some fun punish mechanics. A shield that reflects. A supernasty leech effect. A confuse/defense shred? Maybe a Max-HP percent dot that stacks. Something that doesn't completely nullify the strengths of other units, but adds a new angle to approach the keep-green-bar-high/make-red-bar-vanish equation.
@digdigdigo
@digdigdigo Жыл бұрын
the hydro archon might fill a specific support niche like healing + buffs + dmg, instead of just one of those things
@JustASunflowerSeeD
@JustASunflowerSeeD Жыл бұрын
the only way Focalors could become a meta character is if she wouldn't try to compete with hydro appliers. her application shouldn't matter or at least shouldn't be her selling point. instead genshin should either give hydro a new direction for personal damage or give her a kit that buffs vaporise reactions in some way. she should get something that seems niche but is so strong that it makes everyone use this niche, kinda like how Nilou is with blooms. I'm thinking something with HP manipulation, maybe play into the way so many hp characters heal and make her a reverse healer, make everyone lose HP to gain massive buffs for atk and def or maybe elemental damage. or maybe you lose HP but gain it back for dealing damage to enemies. we already have like 2 characters who gain buffs from losing HP, but that niche is barely explored so it will be cool to see it expanded upon. Focalors Raiden Nahida Zhongli is better become a meta team or Imma cry.
@usmanya5110
@usmanya5110 Жыл бұрын
that's already a meta team there.😂😂😂. hyperbloom archon team if Furina's kit has some good application.
@oliviaaargh
@oliviaaargh Жыл бұрын
Focalors Raiden Nahida Venti* Zhongli doesn't do anything there lmao, bro's standing around, in fact he's just getting in the way of reactions
@JustASunflowerSeeD
@JustASunflowerSeeD Жыл бұрын
@@oliviaaargh bruh Venti isn't gonna help in floor 12 of the spiral abyss with all the bosses. Zhongli on the other hand can help you against the dumb consecrated beasts that keeps throwing you around like a ping pong ball.
@oliviaaargh
@oliviaaargh Жыл бұрын
@@JustASunflowerSeeD And? The Abyss is resetting in 4 days. And it's a LOT MORE Venti-friendly this time around. Just wait and see I guess?
@Kaminari2211
@Kaminari2211 Жыл бұрын
@@oliviaaargh Doesn't do anything? 1. Zhongli shred all element res including dendro. So the whole team dmg (including transformative reaction like hyperbloom's dmg) can be higher. 2. Having a shield means you no longer need to waste time dashing or anything so another dmg increase. 3. Zhongli also has CC from his burst which can help dealing some flexible monster and keep them in place. and not running around like those Consecrated Beasts or Dragonheir.
@lesterherrera9581
@lesterherrera9581 8 ай бұрын
yes end of conversation
@lesterherrera9581
@lesterherrera9581 8 ай бұрын
agreed
@justarandompersonontheinte5119
@justarandompersonontheinte5119 8 ай бұрын
​@@lesterherrera9581bro replied to his own comment, but yeah
@lesterherrera9581
@lesterherrera9581 8 ай бұрын
@@justarandompersonontheinte5119 real recognize real
@vinayKumar-jy1tn
@vinayKumar-jy1tn Жыл бұрын
The hydro archon will probably be a buffer since most of the archons so far tend to lean more into the support side
@mulraf
@mulraf Жыл бұрын
- Idk why we have to assume she is support or off-field dps. Hydro is, in my opinion, particularly known for healing as well. of course then we have kokomi to compete with instead of xingqiu and yelan and kokomi is probably the strongest healer currently and also applies a ton of off-field hydro. - What some other people always bring up is that we don't have any other element but anemo that does cc but it would make sense for hydro too. like waves, bubbles or whirlpools. - Something i didn't hear yet but i would find really really cool is introducing a new mechanic we havn't seen yet. Other games often have the summoner archetype. Now we have some characters like xiangling or fischl that can summon static helpers but we have no character yet that can summon creatures that run around. Now looking at some of the boss mobs which are often embodiements of their element we have for example the oceanid. The oceanid summons water creatures that run around, attack you and apply hydro. If the hydro archon say could summon such creatures too or maybe hydro eidolons that run around for a bit and attack and apply with hydro i think that would be a sick idea that might be very strong but not extremely overpowered and it could give you a more wide coverage of hydro application or help against scattered groups of enemies.
@VeraExora
@VeraExora 8 ай бұрын
Not only is Furina the best Hydro Unit in Genshin, but the strongest character period. RIP past Raleil.
@fideoschafasconcovid-1948
@fideoschafasconcovid-1948 8 ай бұрын
Nah, I think she has some limitations that stop people from using her in absolutely every comp, she is one of the best units in the game yes, but wouldnt say the strongest.
@franzon4879
@franzon4879 7 ай бұрын
She isn’t even the strongest in her element. It’s hard to tell with how hydro is
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