lol that actually is pretty bad if you're jobbing to the Brooklyn Brawler.

@@Machete87 I don't think Lanny Poffo would job to the Brooklyn Brawler !🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️🤸‍♂️

njmfff Absolutely. Could you imagine if he was booked in WCW and WWF like had been in ECW? It's a shame so many of his prime years were spent underutilized.

Title Match Wrestling yeah. I think it was due to those guys jumping from one company to another, so they got stuck in mid card. Regardless, fans love him, which is usually the most important thing. and let's not forget about his awesome theme at WCW, gotta be one of the best ever. :)

Yeah brother he's a good dude. I'm with you - Raven and Austin would be gold, they go way back too.

***** Not sure. They're talked about Raven on his show before. He'd be a fascinating guest.

***** You disrespectful piece of trash. It was Raven's and Heyman's ideas that were stolen by Michaels and McMahon to create the WWF Attitude.

***** Even if I wasn't a Raven mark, I would still make the same comment, 'cause it's true. The character of Raven was always more interesting than that of a boy toy or a Canadian Patriot or even the demonic at times Undertaker.

***** seemed pretty over in wcw

how high is your IQ?

His IQ is 143 and he’s a member of Mensa !

WWE throwing a ton of money at AWA, WCCW and Territory wrestlers to lure them away and cripple the company was totally different than what WCW did to WWE because... reasons. Just like the Monday Night wars crucified Medusa for throwing the woman's title in the trash can which "ruined her career" (not counting the years it went on after she did that) was nothing like ECW having someone throw the NWA title on the floor and disrespect it, and Flair showing up on WWE television with the WCW title were both totally different than what WCW has Medusa do because... reasons.

Ted Turner is just as as bad as Vince,

Ted Turner is a philanthropist. He's active in supporting world peace and preventing poverty. Vince McMahon just cares about money and his ego.

I have to agree Vince is slowly killing wrestling hence why WWE doesn't call them wrestlers anymore now it's "Superstars". WWE buried every WCW and ECW wrestler during the Invasion storyline the only one to survive it was Booker T.

Nathan G Umm RVD?

Yeah, you basically said it without saying it. Vince is pretty much a borderline psychopath and truly gets off on other people's misery and failures. The examples are legion with what you outlined above. Road Warrior Hawk said how he was "the most evil" person he ever knew. Rather than just terminate/fire someone, he would rather bury them in the worst of ways and make them look as horrible as possible. He loves to rub it in like that. There's no other explanation for it, because why bring so many of them over, only to barely use them and then make mockeries out of them? It's simply because of his fucked up Rockefeller "no competition" and robber baron mentality, except with a type of sadist slant to it. Remember The One Man Gang? Vince had the stupid ass idea to turn him into The Singing/Dancing Afrikaner (aka, Ahkeem). Phhhhhfff. Yeah, I get some people liked that gimmick, but a lot of them hated it too, me included. I wish I could hear Scott speak about Bryan Clark (Adam Bomb), who he actually managed for a bit as Johnny Polo. I absolutely loved that guy...menacing and intimidating look, 6 friggin 6, powerhouse physique and strength, and could move very quick for a guy that size. He pretty much had all the tools to be a top guy. And what does WWF do with him? Well, what else, barely anything except for doing jobs for the 123 Kid (Sean Waltman) and other jobs not even worth mentioning. He went on to have a good run at WCW as Wrath, after leaving the whole "Mortal Kombat" stable with Mortis (Kris Kanyon). He went on to go undefeated and it was rumored he was going to face Goldberg at Starcade 98, but of course, cry baby Nash fucked all of that up by beating Wrath (a totally pointless match all to prop up Nash for Goldberg) and he fizzled out shortly after. But even after that he tagged up with Bryan Adams in KroniK and had a decent run...until Vince got him back in the deal with WCW and both he and Adams were squashed by Kane/Undertaker (Brothers of Destruction). Vince basically fucked him over not once, but twice. Heh...pretty unbelievable stuff, but it's really sad, because to see so much talent misused or not even used at all, left so much more to be desired. Btw, concerning Barry Windham and this Stalker character you mentioned, I have no idea or any recollection of that and I am guessing it was very short-lived. However, you may find this very interesting. The thing is, Greg Valentine had said how he and Brutus got the tagteam belts off of Windham and Mike Rotunda and were supposed to have another match, but Windham took a plane home and just instantly quit after that (Greg said he had no idea why this happened). They had to replace Windham with Dan Spivey but Greg said how that flopped and didn't work, which led to their classic matches with the Bulldogs. Now, I would have to obviously assume that this Stalker character/gimmick was BEFORE all of that...or am I wrong and Windham came back again as that character (unbeknown to most people) and THEN was fired/buried (or quit again)?

Apparently the deal with that particular influx was Cornette suggesting bringing in some guys slightly above job status to be enhancement guys. Basically card fillers that would help make the top guys look good by beating them. Most of them were SMW/USWA guys. And of course Vince couldn’t resist giving them silly occupational gimmicks.

McMahon used that tactic many times before. He’d sign talent knowing he had no use for them but did so to bury them so badly that said talent would be useless to WCW. Terry Taylor is the best example of this

***** Buddy hurt himself a lot by not controlling his wait. First time he went to New York he had an awesome run with Backlund. Big Rip Oliver fan myself. Dutch Savage told me Rip was one of the best heels he ever saw, and Dutch was not a guy who handed out many compliments.

booradley126 Buddy didn't weigh as much in Portland as when we went to the WWF for that short time and then returned. For a short time, he even lost a good deal of his girth. Rip was indeed an awesome heel as was The Grappler in his first run in Portland. I created and managed Dutch's web site before he died. He was rough around the edges, but a very nice man. I also worked with Stan Stasiak's wife, Kim, at National Video in the mid- 80's. Stan would come in to pick her up from work. He was such a big guy and super soft-spoken. Very nice. Boy, I miss those days!

Dude! I use to fish with Dutch, and I worked with Stan when he was selling cars. Awesome guys.

Scotty the body, Brian Adams, the grappler, colonel debeers, beetle juice (rip) and billy jack were all portland stars they tore down the old arena and the flea market and put up the church we used to go to Portland wrestling every weekend.

+TheDalinkwent Not really. People are still coming into the WWE.

True, but I will say that Vince isn't doing anything that other promoters didn't try to do before him with the national expansion. It's just guys like Gagne and Crockett hadn't got the business sense to pull it off. Things were changing as the 80s came about that would surely make the territory system defunct one way or another, as that only arose because travel was too expensive to tour nationwide efficiently and cheaply.

not many people know who 1st said that. im sure raven does

+Hugo Lalumiere I like how you contradict yourself right after that first sentence.

+cmcunt get him on the writing team lol

+thepublic housebrandcom get that dude?

+cmcunt I like how you don't seem to grasp the meaning of words. Contradict myself? The first sentence is a fact i.e. I don't know for sure. Second sentence is an opinion. My view of things. It SEEMS he might be an asset but I could be wrong BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HIM OR THE BACKSTAGE ENVIRONMENT ENOUGH TO CLAIM THAT FOR CERTAIN. Happy, smart guy? Please, do keep your eye on the ball.

+Hugo Lalumiere keep your eye on my balls

Vince hated wcw and didn't want to push anyone from their at the time hence ever wwc except Goldberg, who came in 2000 to 2002 was a heel character no matter how much the crowd cheered they were heels.

Rasheed Edwards Yep. Fans were upset at Rock for "going Hollywood" so Goldberg speared him, only for Goldberg to be crushed by Evolution - most of all HHH - later in the year, especially leading into his WM 20 crap fest match against equally departing turncoat Brock Lesnar, who eventually returned with his tail between his legs after being forced out of UFC and using wrestling as a means to an end, rather than actually loving the business.

Rhyno had a decent run in 2001.

How the hell did the Dudley Boyz make it past the "stuttering" gimmick Bubba originally had? I just randomly remember that was a thing initially...

You have to keep in mind that Vince McMahon hates wrestling. He hates that he'll forever known as the guy who made his billions off "Wrasslin" and it's mark's.

Kevin Sullivan should be put in the chair. Fuckin' psychotic, and not in a cool way....

Jim Cornette

@@kyleshiflet9952 He should be among the brain trust in WWE creative yeah, I mean when are the WWE gonna realise that Wrestling fans tune in to watch Wrestling, with Wrestling storylines, I mean wtf

@@mettinkaytaz6106 exactly

6soulcontrol Always dug his character too he was bad ass

Miguel Morales Well the years of drugs didn't help him much.

+lastwolflord LOL

+Miguel Morales I know, right? When I did VERY bush league wrestling (not Backyard but not more than two steps above it), Raven was probably my main influence on my gimmick when I was active. The Raven Effect DDT was my primary finisher and since I was active in a time when everyone used the Spear because of Goldberg, it was a good and plausible finishing counter move. My alternate finisher was a Shining Wizard/Running Enzuigiri followed by a Clothesline From Hell combination (timed so my opponent would be on his knees and "dazed" as I slingshot off the ropes to deliver the lariat end of the move) as I was one of the smallest guys in my group, but in promos demonstrated that for short bursts I could deliver the power needed to unload a spinebuster on an opponent twice my size if needed (first time I did a spinebuster was a bit of an accident as my opponent in that match was my best friend and badly botched the chain wrestling sequence so to save the match I shot low, grabbed his legs, exploded with my legs with my shoulder planted in his hips and I did an Arn Anderson spinebuster on him. I'm glad he adapted to the impromptu move and took the bump clean which I used to set up my Shining Wizard/Clothesline From Hell combo which ended up as my ultimate finisher but not commonly successful due to the time it took to execute).

RaderizDorret yo man I want to make it in the wrestling world when I graduate to college any tips for me I also want to train now , I also live in a town that doesn't have any wrestling promotion or class so I think am leaving town and train in a local wrestling gym

Yeah, There You Go. The WWE/Vince McMahon Might Get Cussed Out.

That Would Draw Every Member Of The Internet Wrestling Community;IWC.

They’d Destroy McMahon.

Wow..well said..

lol

I believe Sting saw what happened with Raven and the others and that's why he held out so long.

@@cretinousjester3475 Raven and DDP were completely buried out of the gate. No question about it. Especially DDP. It felt like they initially TRIED to bury Booker. But his screen presence quickly caught on with the Stone Cold feud and then the Goldust stuff. But it did feel like he was one who they tried to line up with the others at first

@@cretinousjester3475 and it figures that the most undeserving guy, Goldberg......is the one who got the rocket strapped to his ass. And he still couldn't make it work in WWE

Crabby Old Gamer thing about that though is that many wrestlers had to leave with little to no notice out of self preservation. Wrestling was such a dirty business that if they found out you were jumping to Vince, they would probably take physical retribution against you and have someone shoot on you and hurt you. Jimmy hart said that when he left Memphis, he had to lie about his intentions to leave for the wwf, and take off like a thief in the night, because the Memphis guys would have seriously hurt him if they found out the truth.

It was terribly dirty. Verne Gagne was so pissed at Hogan for leaving the AWA, he called up Iron Sheik and said he'd pay him to break Hogan's leg during the title match when Hogan won. Sheik said it in his documentary. Sheik had high regard for guys like Bob Backlund. Wrestlers with greco/roman wrestling backgrounds. So he hated Hogan type guys. Gagne knew this. But Sheik stayed true to his word that nothing would happen to Hogan and he would let him win cleanly. Jim Ross stated in an interview that he was in a men's bathroom stall when he overheard two promoters talking about taking "the kid" (Vince) out when he was scooping up the best talent from other territories.

Verne Gagne was only willing to put his belt on Hogan after he wanted the latter’s Japan & merchandise money, which was total BS, as he never asked his previous champions such as Bockwinkel to do the same. Nobody should blame Hogan once Vince promised him to what ultimately amounted to an undefeated streak with the belt from 1983-1988, minus any battle royal, count out or DQ losses.

Yep. The WWE Is ran by insecure, bitter, selfish guys. Back when Vince bought WCW they had a great opportunity to become that much better by adding all kinds of huge names and legends that were on the WCW roster. That's when you saw that Vince was salty and never had any intentions of putting WCW guys over in his WWF. The fans lost because of it. What a great opportunity that was, but Vince just couldn't get past his own petty resentment, and because of it he basically flushed millions of dollars down the toilet. It could have and should have been awesome for wrestling fans. It could have been great.

+Brujo Hernandez He is treated well in NXT. He is the World Champion and a heel but a very strong and powerful heel who does not cheat.

Herzogian YOU MEAN NXTNA

Brujo Hernandez You mean next tea

Kim Martin Yeah, keep him around so he can injure some more guys.

stylechyld Well Corporate Kane is kinda very realistic since he's very corporate in real life

Stops them from being able to carry their momentum to rival companies

Ultimate warrior was an asshole if I’m not mistaken LOD were either the ones to come up with that or were down (I remember hearing on a podcast) Goldberg had no real wrestling talent hints him hurting Bret. Bret screwed Bret but I will agree the completely fucked over Kane.

that gimmick went down the drain.

Ba dum tss

MrMferg240 lol

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If it's VKM's idea, it's a good idea.

CaptinTrips Well, at least the rumors were wrong about them turning Adrian Neville into mighty mouse. Thank god that was just a fucking rumour. And people wonder why I don't read rumour sites.

timothy anderson Really, VKM wanted to do incest angles, yeah. So I hope you're being sarcastic

The Lovecraftian Grammar Commie He did. Ken's obsession with his "sister" (in story, not reality) was to expose Shamrock as having a thing for Ryan, but luckily, Shamrock turned it down, but look what it got him, it got him buried by Chris Jericho in matches where he constantly had internal bleeding. The Beaver Cleavage gimmick by Chaz (formerly Mosh of the rather unique Headbangers tag team with Thrasher) was basically a parody of the wholesome _Leave It To Beaver_ series but made uncomfortable because The Beav's "mother" in storyline was Chaz's real-life girlfriend Mariana and this was made obvious by Jerry Lawler constantly making sex jokes regarding their "relationship", which lead to Chaz dropping the gimmick to wrestle as himself before dropping Mariana entirely and eventually teaming with D'Lo Brown as Lo Down before ultimately getting released alongside the struggling D'Lo following the incident that paralyzed Darren Drozdov (Droz aka "Puke"). The "closeness" of Paul & Katie Leigh Burchill as siblings was to be exposed as incestuous inbreeding between the two, but luckily both of them asked for their release before the gimmick could close up. The original genesis of the illegitimate child plot was supposed to have Mr. Kennedy as Vince's son, but Randy Orton's moaning and bitching got Mr. Kennedy fired, so McMahon wound up using "Little Bastard" Hornswoggle as his illegitimate child. Before hastily retconning the leprechaun as Finlay's real son, the original idea was to have Stephanie, Vince's own daughter, be his baby mommy, but luckily, Stephanie and HHH had some sanity to turn down their elder's deranged and sick concept.

Isn't Vince McMahon the President of MENSA.

Vince McMahon President of Mensa!!!

+getyoasshome Those 3 names never seem to get the credit they deserve, classics

Title Match Wrestling man back in the day those matches were excellent every Friday night Portland wrestling was the place to be. Sandy Barr provided a lot of opportunities for young wrestlers and the venue was in the middle of the most impoverished Area in Portland. Scotty the body drove the girls wild, the grappler was a fan fav and billy jack was the guy who would wrestle then come to the housing development area and put all the kids in a full nelson the guys were always in the community.

+getyoasshome Billy Jack was great. Loved watching Portland stuff, loved him in his feud with Billy Graham in Florida as well.

Rip "The Crippler" Oliver.

Martin Kove, is your post really about wrestling?Or is it just a low key jab at capitalism (in favor of communism disguised as a wrestling comment). Clever disguise there, but still, it's clearly a straw man argument. In fact the more one peels away the layers, the easier it becomes to see that you are doing just exactly that. BTW, communist leaders make lots of that "evil" money.

It ain’t just capitalism where man exploits man. Communism does the exact opposite, where man ultimately is still exploited by another, as even in that structure, Napoleon from Animal Farm will still rise.

@@stephenmichaelstm8512 100%.

***** Yeah it was - would have been interesting to see where it went with it.

***** The Widowmaker was good, but The Stalker was surreal.

Stacey cross he has a genius level IQ

***** back in my day there was no internet. we had to go to the wal-mart and read all the wrestling magazines to know what was going on in the world of pro-wrestling. I am still not used to everything being online yet. back when I started with wrestling you actually had to be a fan to know inside stuff about wrestling and could not simply google something. My knowledge came from watching all the major promotions, the territories when they would get on a channel and I could finally watch what I was reading about. the internet has killed pro-wrestling. we all used to be a brotherhood, an underground cult of outcasts who came together because of the sport we loved. If gaming is now called a sport then WRESTLING is most assuredly a sport.

***** I love me too.

***** internet was not ubiquitous as it is now.now it is in every home but back in my day it was like in every 1 out of 10 people's home. we poor people had to go to a friends house to get online and then that took like 30 minutes to dial up.

King Possum 28.8 modem for life baby lol

***** lol, nowhere near the 60's. there was no internet in the 60's and 70's and if there were only the government had access to it.as later as the late 90's it took forever to dial it up. dsl cost way to much. ever had aol dial up? I would not be able to use that after having 50Mbps.

Pulsar Stargrave How about when they had the Road Warriors playing with a fucking doll I think the doll name was Rocko I think, Lex Lugar when they had him ride that crappy bus the Lex express and that God awful music they had him come out to I think the song was called I'll be your hero. And they wonder why he couldn't connect with the fans down there.

Lol let's not forget The Gobblygooker and The Red Rooster...or Papa Shango putting a curse on UW and making him writhe around in pain. The old NWA and AWA never did retarded shit like that. They had the right balance of humor and wrasslin (being passed off as "real"). Jim Cornett summed it all up as why everything eventually was doomed once Vince was shutting down territories, going national, and dumbing down the product way too much. Wrestling was NEVER supposed to ever become like that. It was a niche industry for a specific set of people, not the typical "brady bunch goody two shoes family". Once Vince turned it all supernational and involving big wigs at the mainstream networks and trying to mold it all so it could fit EVERY type of audience out there, it was basically all downhill from that point, even if there were some good years in between. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9yliK2am7K1gn0.html

And now Aj Styles...

David Bartlett 8

matthew wilson He was trying to remember others...any names come to mind?

Oh okay

doug marcus oh man and remember the red streak down the middle of his hair?

it was gimmicks like that is why i became an ecw fan. let the wrestlers look like wrestles, wwf had them looking like prototypes for action figures. the last good heel that company had was roddy piper. that coconut hit on snuka was awesome. that's how you rile up fans.

doug marcus Same here. I was so fed-up by the early 90s that I was looking for any other wrestling company to come around. Luckily we got ECW. What a compelling product that was too.

doug marcus Sure he does at the 4:44 mark or there abouts

They will do nxt like they did ecw just wait

+Kim Martin how about Tyler Black (Seth Rollins) Kevin Steen (Owens) CM Punk (ROH) AJ Styles (TNA) Sami Zayne (El generico) they all had a title reign besides Zayne so I rest my case

***** What about meeeee????

Title Match Wrestling not u nerd

***** Clearly you are not a Raven fan

+BaDMrFr0zty How can someone who knows who Bad Mr. Frosty is NOT know who Raven is, or that "What about meeee?" is a direct quote from Raven? SMH.

QuentinDude Harry Beaver Cleavage will always have a place in our hearts lol

Oh that is right i'm glad you mentioned the Sheepherders they are legendary for being so brutal.

Ironically Bushwacker sounds more dangerous than Sheepherder

According to Jim Cornette by becoming the Bushwhackers Luke and Butch extended their careers by a good 10 years by working safer cartoon type matches.

+Dafranchise1104 "Jumpin" Jim Brunzell, B Brian Blair, Al Perez, "Pretty Boy" Doug Somers , Sam Houston, Black Bart, Ron Bass, Boris Zhukov, Marty Janetty, "Hands Of Stone" Ron Garvin, Ricky Morton, Robert Gibson, Bobby Fulton, Tommy Rogers, AWA light heavyweight champ Steve Regal, Brad Rheingans, Angel of Death, and many other names I can't think of.

So Much Burial In The WWE Own Graveyard.

Undertaker was and is still a great gimmick. Texas Tornado was crap though, I'll give you that one.

+Billy Rouse thing is "Texas Tornado' wasn't really a gimmick so much as a nickname... if I recall they name checked him as "Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich" a handful of times, before simplifying it to Texas Tornado

+Kim Cornell No way Vince would put a one legged wrestler over.

+LordSathar I don't know, Zach Gowen had a decent run. Would a one legged wrestler win the World Title, probably not.

+LordSathar what do you mean one-legged? I thought he had two good legs in the wwf back then?

Not even sure that Raven can interview Raven lol

My favorite Raven "interview" was the one where somebody was supposed to "interview" Raven & Axl Rotten but it turned into Raven interviewing Axl Rotten. The original interviewer became obsolete. Was hilarious. Maybe it was on this channel. I don't remember.

packofhounds lol yeah that me. Got 1 or 2 questions in and then left the room. They were way more entertaining on their own anyway. Glad you enjoyed man - that's awesome!

Frederick Ortiz, the saying is very true, "A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument." Raven(the man with an experience) was in that WWE locker room for years. You(the man with an argument), have no such experience. So, for you to try and refute his points are clearly an attempt to grasp at straws. Also,talking about raiding territories just to use said territories top stars(in order to make one's mediocre talent look better), has nothing to do with it being "easy to point out gimmicks that bombed". Your use of the level of difficulty of the point-in-question has nothing to do with the actual points being made. Thus, this also is a straw man argument on your part.

+oldschoolfan420 The reason the WWF liked to re-gimmick wrestlers was because they would then own the name and image rights.

The Ritty It was so random when it happened too.

I never knew that was Rip Oliver, I always wondered what happen to him. He was a monster heel at one point.

KP LLC I'm from the Pacific Northwest. Over the years we had great champions: Bockwinkle, Vachon, Patterson, Volkoff, Tough Tony Borne, Moondog Main, Dutch Savage, Playboy Buddy Rose, Piper, et, et. Rip "The Crippler" Oliver held the title more times than anyone else and had the longest title run ever in the territory. He was absolutely one of the best heels of the 80's. I've never understood why Vince did not use him more appropriately.

booradley126 When I was a kid, my dad's buddy from that area came to visit. He told me Tough Tony Borne was his favorite. Said he seen a woman throw him flowers on his way to the ring. So he wiped his armpits with them and threw them back! Lol I didn't have he heart to tell him that his son was Doink the Clown.