That could be the case for some companies but what he's doing is consuming and digesting data to then lay out in a more attractive manner for the consumer Edit: His implementation of testing rigs is also a very welcome way of measuring and visualizing improvements

@@JCerris OK

@@JCerris It seems like you dont understand what you just wrote...

@@Ivlodded I'm boutta consume you 😘

i agree like all razer has to do is to put the graph at 3:10 on their product page

Also compare it to the only other mouse that has 4khz..m2k

Yeah me too, would also be cool to see them in action with a 360hz refresh rate monitor or that one with 390hz. Or maybe with the upcoming 500hz monitors

@@ktg_2castle960 m2k has 8khz, so latency is better on that mouse

@@alevicari367 8khz also makes everything laggy af

@@virologiclmp I have the razer viper wired and at 8khz my pc just can’t handle the polling rate

If there's scientific proof it's not an opinion anymore, though

Hmm it’s scientific appearance but I wouldn’t consider science. Thisbis just better marketing.

Probably soon. Microsoft is surely aware of some of the inefficiencies of IO that need to be rethought at 8k polling rates, especially on modern hardware.

@@laeiounMicrosoft shadow dropped an update over the past year to change the scheduling in how often it checks for mouse input to solve the issue of cpu usage with higher polling mice. Not sure if that’s the best way to word what they did but it solve the stuttering issue I was having.

@@stimmymcgotems408 You're correct.

The main difference would definitely be the input delay. Old mice had very low refresh rates of around 125hz or even lower. The original Razer Viper maxed out at 125hz in 2004.

I agree that the Razer mouse is now responsive and also the best sensor of the competition. I've been using Viper Ultimate for 2 years and never had any issues like lag or double clicks.

@@summelofficial2378 I’m about to get heavily into FPS games and All my life I’ve been hearing that Wired mouses have less latency and are more responsive then wireless mice… do you think this is still true, or because technology has gotten better there’s really no difference to wired or wireless with any type of delay between the two. I’m looking into getting either the Razor Viper Ultimate or just a Razor viper 8K… what do you think is better???

wireless or wired mouse the difference is only milliseconds. Razer Viper 8K Hz is good for FPS but Razer Viper Ultimate is also good. for Razer Viper 8K Hz you must have a high end pc spec. I recommend the Razer Viper Ultimate Mercury (V2 Switch Mouse) for you.

Honestly, if you enjoy the ergo shape that the DAv3 has, stick to it. I don't have it yet, but it looks like the ergo mouse to have for the next few years. 4000HZ 63G Wireless Ergo is just insane to me, and as a Pulsar Xlite V2 Wireless fan I am excited to try it.

and that would be a $50 price bump

Razer has exclusive rights with Pixart for about a year or so with the new sensor so it may be a while before we see something from Logitech with this new tech, looking forward to it tho, props to Razer for pushing innovation.

@@stevetriple8 Logitech makes their own sensors. Razer having exclusivity doesn't matter to them. However actual competition will hopefully drive them to make something new.

@@stevetriple8 That´s not entirely true tho. Pixart has motion-sync in their latest PAW3395 which is open for any company to use. Pulsar X2 Sym for example is already released and has motion-sync. They have even done it possible to enable/disable it in their software. Endgame gear XM2w which seems to take ages to be released uses PAW3395 and was prob the first product to spotlight this feature on their product page. Meanwhile it´s true that Razer has a partnership with Pixart, this tends more to get them their owned tweaked versions of "insert named" sensors. 3399 is basicly their unique touch on the 3395 and so on. Meanwhile Logitech also has had this partnership with Pixart for years and they actually had the 3366 for about a year locked to them before 3360 was released through other company´s products. But that´s not the case for the 3395 and it´s motion-sync feature. As Logitech did alot of the work and research to make the 3366(3360) and later on understood that Pixart would sell it to every company out there, they started to make their own sensors "HERO - High Efficiency Rating Optical". But in the case of Razer i would say they fall more or less in the same category as other brands like Steelseries "Truemove" or Roccat´s "Owl-Eye". Sure you would see some higher DPI and special features here and there, but in the long run the hardware comes from Pixart and is based on a sensor they sell. It´s more about custom firmware & software that seperates them.

​@@idkwhatname3133 So we shouldn't want improvements in the performance of our hardware because some people might not notice the improvement? That's a pretty weak opinion. The cumulative effect of multiple improvements like this can have an impact that is noticeable to a lot of people. Faster grey-to-grey response times and higher refresh rates won't help everyone, and perhaps lower latency and higher sensor resolution won't help everyone either, but I see no reason to suppress these improvements. If you want a cheap mouse that may hinder your performance, then you can buy one. When I upgrade my mouse every few years, I'd rather buy one that's objectively better than the last.

@@idkwhatname3133 ur brain got motion blur

@@idkwhatname3133 when I played competitively I played with a 30$ mouse and a dining room chair lmao. Having better peripherals isn’t a sin 😜

I'm running the same combo!

Was hoping to hear other people with that combo, currently waiting for my 60he

The he is too good man

Do u prefer it over the apex pro?

@@basedkat haven't tried it, but from reviews and comparisons i'd say the 60he is better only minor complaint i've seen is the spring weight but you can just get lighter springs if you want

It’s spelled “R Λ Z Ξ R”

Careful, I have this mouse and it suffers from the same problem many razer mice do which is problems with the scroll wheel/double clicking and I've only had it since March. Somehow Razer has not fixed this problem after years and years...

@@Chaosball-wc1kk never had these problems with Razer could just be a Quality Control Problem

@@Chaosball-wc1kk Double-clicking is an issue with the switches being used. Many mice use the OMRON D2FC-F-7N switch and it is known to cause double-clicking eventually.

@@shooternerd It's definitely not, look up anything to do with Razer mice, it happens to them all at some point whether it's 3 months or 3 years. How long have you had your mouse and which one?

honestly the fact that they were a cheap gimmicky brand was the main reason I stayed away from their mice until the release of their Viper V2 pro. It seemed like a step up from the rest of the mice out there, now also being 4k Hz compatable makes it even more impressive. Sadly the mouse isn't quite the fit for me, I have medium hands so large mice generally feel comfortable but small mice feel like they offer more control with a little less comfort depending on the shape and size. If they put out a Mini, It would probably have a good chance of becoming my new main.

I'm curious because my XM1r (3370) also has MotionSync that can be enabled

except that none of this has any real impact on your gaming performance

@@nothingness863 if my WiFi wasn't so sh*t maybe it would matter more lol

@@nothingness863 stop the cap

@@Minurz no, it wouldn't

This has nothing to do with wired mice lol

@@Dylbert read his comment again

@@DankMemes-xq2xm Yeah i mean the video has nothing to do with wireless mice if he did the same test it would be very similar so this comment is just not correct lol

I mean if he did same test with wired

@@Dylbert he literally said in the video that the jitter is something that affects wireless mice, which implies that it doesn't affect wired mice, and it also doesn't affect the new razer wireless mice because they fixed the issue. So Nostalgic is saying he noticed a difference between wireless mice and wired mice because the wireless mice he used doesn't have the fix that razer uses.

How to spot an idiot: "marketing" "says".

@@gdgd5194 And he isnt wrong. 502 are among the popular muce and the X is well recieved

Fingers crossed for a Viper V2 Pro Wireless Mini.

I mean there's the SE

What mouse do you have

@@agsechogd6406 g pro superlight

6:43 He's aware

Yea thats not gonna change anything lmao its still technically within spec with what was discussed.

I don't rly get what you mean

Its not that complicated. That just means the mouse you have shape and weight wise isnt for you. If you like the deathadder, you want to look for ergo mice like pulsar xlite or zowie ec2.

yes

no they wouldnt. a lot of best "aimers" in cs go still play on 500hz instead of 1k/4k/8k etc... razer "tech" wont even make them 1% better especially in the short term where they have to get used to the mouse shape/sensor placement. So yea... on paper its better but you should always go for shape over weight/high polling rate.

The problem of Razer's wireless product is the stability I bought a Razer Pro Type and it ruined my work. Always found it disconnect. And the wake up is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

80% of the pros in Valorant and CSGO still use the GPX superlight. It’s a good all rounded mouse with a shape that’s pretty universal for most. The other 20% would consist of Starlight, Vaxee, Zowie, Razor, Fnatic if you’re lucky to spot one. In Apex and COD it’s the same - of at least 5 pro’s I’ve seen it’s either the Starlight, GPX and now more recently Lamzu. This just tells you the majority are not interested in Razor and haven’t it does not necessarily make the player “a Pro” just because of polling rates or latency which is hardly picked up by the human eye. What does make the biggest difference is the shape, as muscle memory will work best with a mouse you are comfortable using in hand vs forcing your grip to a shape that doesn’t work for you. FYI that’s where Razor is. The shape is okay for those who haven’t really tested other brands in the market.

@@willstw wrobg

pure BS

@@riba2233 can you prove otherwise ? because what I said is undeniably true. Why do you think 1-4khz wireless is unstable in a lot of environments? Is it magic? Please, you have no background in tech if you say bs. Only an idiot would deny the facts.

xm1r motion sync is fake, check pzogel's explanation on mousereview

Why even use small mouse for large hands? Can't really compare ergo to ambidextrous