RCA TR-70C 2 inch quadruplex video tape recorder (Pt.1)

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RCAquadruplex

RCAquadruplex

15 жыл бұрын

This first installment is an overview of this RCA TR-70C. Since I recorded this video, I have learned that this machine originally came from the "Instructional Resources Center" at the University of Georgia in Athens, and was not part of the studio facility at WGTV. I couldn't find out an actual date when this machine was retired and moved into storage, but apparently it was a few years after the WGTV ones were stored in 1983. There it remained until April 7, 2009 when I purchased it along with the three others that had been used at WGTV.
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@TheCynedd
@TheCynedd 5 жыл бұрын
The TR-70 was the first VTR I ever operated. I was a high school student helping to build our new PBS Station. I actually helped put four of these monsters together. The station hired me after they went on the air. Colleagues and I used to have races as to how fast we could thread one of these beasts. When I see photographs of these VTRs I wax nostalgic because this machine never failed if you took care of it (but, I still have a warm spot for the TR-4).
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 5 жыл бұрын
I started with TRT-1Bs at a PBS station, then they moved to TR3s and TR4s, and Ampex VR1200s when they went color. I bought a used TR70A for my production company in 1974 and have been a huge fan of them ever since!
@wbutterman
@wbutterman 12 жыл бұрын
I will never forget NAB a few years ago. Hours of walking around in that show, dead tired, and all of a sudden, I hear the unmistakable sound of an Ampex Quad recorder (VPR2200?) I remember that sound from a PBS station on our campus from years before. The machine was restored by a dubbing house that specialized in 1" and quad tape dubs. This is fascinating!
@themiddleagedcyclist9609
@themiddleagedcyclist9609 3 жыл бұрын
I was a Master Control Engineer at TV stations that used these before automated on air switching was avialable. At one station, I was responsible for threading and cuing my tapes for each switch/brake. I used the RCA TR22 a lot, and got very fast at threading, aligning the heads, setting video/audio levels, cuing, putting in remote for every run of the machine. Loved It!!!
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes...the good ol' days, indeed! Great times....
@kc4100
@kc4100 13 жыл бұрын
Sure takes me back too! I worked at CKWS TV in Kingston Ontario Canada and we had 2 TR-60's. Then I moved to Global TV in Toronto and they had about 10 of these TR-70 machines. They were durable as hell as we used to load them on our 18 wheel mobile when it went out on shoots. Thanks for the memories.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 11 жыл бұрын
I salute you and everyone at RCA involved with the design and production of this machine. In my 50 year involvement in broadcast television, the TR-70 is at the top of my list of personal favorite pieces of machinery....a true work of art, to which I owe a great deal of credit for what success I have had in my career.
@DennisDegan
@DennisDegan 15 жыл бұрын
Excellent report! I started in TV at a station in 1974 that had 1 TR-70b, a TR-60, and a modified TR-4. I've worked on these machines as well as maintained TCR-100s, and a lot of Ampex VTRs too. It's great to see these 4 machines went to someone who cares about quad enough to get them running again. I look forward to seeing more! DDD
@Keithwelwyn
@Keithwelwyn 14 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for showing me round the TR-70 . I used to use them at the BBC until 1985. . Some memories: During a transmission the TR-70 Stop button got stuck in and I had to hold in the play button for the short TX. . TR-70s would occasionally rip apart tapes, especially the Chroma 90s. . Oh yes, during editing, the erase stack would randomly switch on wiping the playback master recording. . Otherwise they were ok . Thanks for the video
@IowaEye
@IowaEye 12 жыл бұрын
We were still mastering our ads on a pair of RCA Quads at KTVO in Kirksville, Mo. (Market #199) in 1991. Our chief engineer had a saying: "If it works, and somebody is still using it, it's not obsolete!"
@MC_AU
@MC_AU 4 жыл бұрын
The best thing I can say about the 70C, is that they ‘worked’, I hated almost every minute I had to use them. Impressive they could play tapes with tractor parts.
@VintageTelevision
@VintageTelevision 15 жыл бұрын
How wonderful it is that you are preserving quad VTRs!
@musicom67
@musicom67 9 жыл бұрын
Been a TV video editor for over 20 years...and couldn't even imagine working with these. Started with CMX online - and for the past 2 decades with Avid Symphony, I'd never look back - but oh so cool to still see them operate like they should. Awesome video (and machine). My head is spinning with your verbal user manual...Thank you for educating!
@stratocat9999
@stratocat9999 14 жыл бұрын
WOW! What a monster! I've used 1" machines (still do occasionally), and I have always heard about quads, and I have even seen a few non-operational husks, but I have never seen one in operation, or even powered up. I new they were pretty self contained, but the built in test gear, monitor, and all of the selectable variables...wow! These had to be a chore to learn and use. Thanks for this video!
@grlg2
@grlg2 12 жыл бұрын
Hi, very interesting video, I love the comment about "none of that sissy switching stuff" absolute gold!! Not sure how hard these were to service but the place a friend of mine worked at had a Marconi Telecine that was an absolute nightmare as it was mix of analog and custom digital stuff (ie 13 bit logic), also had a tube pickup. When none of the techs could fix it, they use to fly one of the engineers that built it from the US to Australia to get it going again.
@geoffroberts1126
@geoffroberts1126 4 жыл бұрын
Never seen a TR70, but used to drive TR60s here in Australia at GTS4, in Port Pirie, South Australia. Later they added a TCR100 2'" cart machine, that 'piggy backed' on some of the TR60 electronics. This was 1972 to 78.
@charleswolf5360
@charleswolf5360 3 ай бұрын
In the mid 70s I did news editing in a Dayton, Ohio TV station which had four TR-70 machines. I miss it.
@Audiovideopark
@Audiovideopark 15 жыл бұрын
Great video, Guy. I learned a lot about the RCA Quads. Now I'll have to do one on the 1200.
@Prestodigital
@Prestodigital 15 жыл бұрын
I cut my teeth on one of these between 1976 and 1980, almost countless hours of day run assemblies, thousands of line-cut commercials and programs. The way we edited in those days was by either counting down to an assemble edit from studio, or remoting a TR-60 to the director at the switcher. 3..2..1.. push the record button 21 frames before the edit point! NO time code... we didn't have the fancy Editec counter. What a trip down memory lane... jPo Edmonton
@1205juergen
@1205juergen 10 жыл бұрын
A very enjoyable tour ... thanks for sharing
@SteveMallison
@SteveMallison 11 жыл бұрын
Takes me back to the 1980s when I had to work with these machines. Nice to see that there are a few still around. Never liked the editing system much though. Ampex was better.
@DavidCarfolite
@DavidCarfolite 11 жыл бұрын
Got to work on this machine, the TR-600 and I did the photography for instructional materials for the TCR-100. Love to find some high-def footage of the TCR-100 working internally- it was a wonder to behold. Perhaps someone shot some film.....
@tvengineer8
@tvengineer8 8 жыл бұрын
The best machine ever made.. thank you for putting this up... my station had one of these and 2 tr61s and a tr60... the tr70 was the best of the bunch :-)
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 8 жыл бұрын
The TR-70 is certainly my favorite piece of broadcast equipment that I've used in my career. There's just something about them that has attracted me all these years. I'm glad you enjoyed the video...gotta keep the memory of "real" TV alive. :)
@rty1955
@rty1955 6 жыл бұрын
tvengineer8 may be best machine for RCA. Ice used them all beginning with Ampex VR-1000. I rhink Ampex made the best quads, after all they specialized in magnetic recording. Thats all they did. RCA was unable to develop thier own VTR, they had to partnership with AMPEX to prodice a viable Video Tape Recorder. AMPEX had copyrighted the name of Videotap.RCA called ot Television tape.
@fflynnful
@fflynnful 10 жыл бұрын
I maintained two of these back in the 80s at a PBS station in VT. They were editing with no time code, imagine that. There used to be a guy named Clint Free who did some mods on the RCA quads. He had a "high band" mod for the TR-4 and TR-5 (the "portable" quad). We had 2 TR-4s and a TR-5 used for on air playback through a digital TBC along with the TR-70s being used on air when not as editing machines for production. The TR-70c had nuvistors in the preamps unless they were modified, Clint Free had a mod to make them solid state but it was noisier than the nuvistor tubes, you could see the noise on the video monitor and on the scope when looking at RF. I had spent a lot of time with these machines. We used to say that RCA meant "requires constant attention", which they did. Thanks for the trip back in time. The 70s made very good pictures if you treated them right.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 10 жыл бұрын
Hi...great to hear from you! I knew Clint pretty well, as he did his high band conversion for me in 1973 on a TR-22 and a TR-5 that I started my production company with, before I got a couple of TR-50s, a factory TR-22HB and a TR-70A. I tried to contact him a few years ago when I was searching for a 70B, and sadly found out that he had passed away. I didn't know that he did the nuvistor replacement in the preamps. Two of the 70Cs that I have do have FETs installed in place of the nuvistors. I "assumed", perhaps incorrectly, that this was done per an RCA FEB due to nuvistors becoming rather scarce. The machine shown here has an unmodified preamp and now has a set of "brand new" NOS nuvistors in it that I had collected over the years.
@fflynnful
@fflynnful 10 жыл бұрын
RCAquadruplex Sorry to hear about Clint. Yes, he sold us some potted modules that were wired in place of the nuvistors. It was a sealed module so you couldn't tell what was in it, but probably some FETs and whatever "glue" parts associated with it. This was in 1983, if I recall correctly.
@fflynnful
@fflynnful 10 жыл бұрын
Francis Flynn The machines I worked on were at VT ETV in Burlington, VT and were in use until 1987 when they rebuilt the control room with Ampex 1" VPR-3s and VPR-80s.
@777jones
@777jones 14 жыл бұрын
You are a hero. Only watched 90 seconds of this and you're automatically a hero.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 15 жыл бұрын
Been there too! I did a lot of edits on a quad that way.....back when doing an edit was a "exciting" event. I didn't have time code or editor control on anything until I got my first Type C 1" machines in '81. I still have my original TR-70A that I bought in 1974 and started my production company with. Now, it has company....LOL.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 15 жыл бұрын
Actually, since I'm working on these machines out in my "triage" (shop) area , I get my high pressure air from a existing 5 hp shop compressor. Each machine was originally delivered with a separate small oilless Gast compressor for the high pressure supply. I have several of these, and use them on the machines in my transfer facility. I've seen Ampex machines retrofitted with a venturi vacuum system to eliminate the internal pump in the machine, but I don't remember seeing it done with an RCA.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 15 жыл бұрын
Correct....azimuth on those heads is not field adjustable, but I never found them to be noticeably off on test tapes. The manufacturers did a very good job of mechanical alignment..even on the replacement head stacks. I replaced a few back in the day, and never had an issue. Of course, being mono, with a tape speed of 15ips makes it somewhat less critical as well. Quad audio was usually fair to decent, but not really a match performance-wise to a good pro audio recorder of that era.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 12 жыл бұрын
That is so funny...and coincidental. I also have one of the very few Marconi B3410 telecines in North America, and totally agree about the analog/early digital servicing nightmare. But in true British tradition, when it works, it is a thing of beauty.
@TheFrogfather1
@TheFrogfather1 7 жыл бұрын
I used one of these at Scottish tv in Glasgow when I started there in 1987. That headwheel whine brings back memories!
@jjvidiot
@jjvidiot 8 жыл бұрын
I worked with this one at IRC and also the 4 that we had a WGTV. Beasts!! 10 second roll cues and a half second plus or minus leeway on the edits!
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 8 жыл бұрын
That's great! When did you work at WGTV? I have all four TR-70s from there. By the way, this one will often do 2 second pre-rolls now. :)
@jjvidiot
@jjvidiot 8 жыл бұрын
+RCAquadruplex In 1974 while I was a senior at UGA I was night audio, then 1976-80 as Senior TD, before I moved on to be one of the first TD/Directors at CNN.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 15 жыл бұрын
Thanks....glad you enjoyed it! Judging from the dates on some of the components and the S/N, I'd say this machine was built in late '72 to early '73. I'm not near the machine right now, and I don't recall the hour meter reading on this particular one. I'll check it in the morning. I don't remember it being particularly low or high though. The next machine I'm working on in the group, is the primo one...built in mid '74 and showing low hours and very minimal cosmetic wear and tear.
@davidjames666
@davidjames666 3 жыл бұрын
is the machine still functional now that it’s over a decade later?
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidjames666 Hi David...Yes, it is! Performing very well, and incredibly reliable, as I have found TR-70s to be over the years. Only a couple of minor issues appeared and were fixed since this video was done.
@EzeeLinux
@EzeeLinux 15 жыл бұрын
Tim, This is a tape recorder! I have actually played with machines like this. Just a little... I was scared to touch it so I mostly watched the operator. :) JC
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 15 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm surprised as well, although I haven't really looked for them. I suspect there are even more vintage camera collectors than vtr collectors! As an aside, I have two Marconi MkVII cameras in my collection. I started my production company with these two in 1973.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 14 жыл бұрын
Great.....I'm looking forward to it!
@MrTypetheword
@MrTypetheword 13 жыл бұрын
@Keithwelwyn Hello Keith. I was involved in the testing and acceptance of the BBC machines. The manufacturing plant was in Jersey Channel Islands. We supplied many European television stations with these vtrs. I also worked on the TR60s and 100s. The units came into Jersey built but untested. It took about 6 weeks to go through the complete testing. I was respnosible for the final testing were we took the machines through all the test to ensure they performed to the published specs.
@EzeeLinux
@EzeeLinux 15 жыл бұрын
Ok... So I was going to share this video with a friend and I accidentally typed the note I was going to leave for him in the comments field. Feel free to delete it. Great video! :) JC
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 15 жыл бұрын
The vacuum pump was standard on these, as the back side of the motor for it is the main cooling blower for the machine...so it had to be running. You may be thinking about the high pressure compressor for the headwheel air bearing. Most facilities with multiple machines had one large air compressor remotely located that fed all the machines high pressure air.
@jerryg50
@jerryg50 9 жыл бұрын
To service and maintain this type of video machine, it takes a lot of knowledge, experience, and access for the parts. There is the necessary infrastructure behind this type of machine to have it working. The heads use air bearings, and require regulated air pressure source to float the bearings. There is also the need for the electric power source to run it.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, the machine itself is just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. The air supply is somewhat critical, in that there cannot be any contaminants...especially oil from conventional compressors...present. These particular machines were originally supplied with their own individual oil-free carbon vane compressors, which often were not used because most videotape operations involved multiple machines, so a common air source for all of them was a bit more practical...not to mention, quieter.. I have several original ones, and that's what I use in my operation. They are small, but quite robust, especially considering they are at least 40 years old. I have the compressor in the next room, as they are quite noisy and run continuously when in operation. The AC power requirements are high, but not crazy high. The TR-70 was designed to be fed with three separate 30 amp 110v circuits. One of those circuits is used only to supply power to the flourescent light above the transport, and four utility outlets, which come in handy for external test equipment, or even powering the external air compressor. In normal operation, it draws about 4-5kw, and heats a room nicely. As for parts, I consider these machines now as somewhat like potato chips. You can't have just one! While most of the discrete electronic components are, more or less, standard items....there are a few electronic and quite a few mechanical parts that are "unobtainium" at this point in time. I had quite an inventory of original spare parts that I had purchased from RCA back in the '70s when I had my studio and was using these machines on a daily basis...which I still have. I've also gotten quite a few spare items included with some of the machines I have picked up in the last few years as well. I did have to "borrow" a pinch roller solenoid from one of my other machines for this one last year. I hate the thought of permanently relegating any of these machines to be parts machines, but that may be the only practical course. The video head assemblies are probably the biggest problem faced with working with these machines in 2015. Fortunately, I have collected quite a few over the years, and I take very good care of them, and fully expect my supply to outlast me. Back in the day, it was not uncommon to clear head clogs "on the air" with fingernails, or whatever happened to be handy....some operators would rewind tapes at full speed and have perhaps some masking tape pieces used to hold the tape end down to the tape pack, or the tape end was wrinkled badly or folded over... and that would fly through the video head and tear them up. All kinds of damage was possible and did occur rather frequently back then, when a video head rebuild would "only" cost anywhere from $1500-$2500, and you were lucky to get 500 hours of use out of it. Good grief...sorry....that was longer than I intended!
@johnpickett7831
@johnpickett7831 7 жыл бұрын
tv pattern generator
@xray111xxx
@xray111xxx 10 жыл бұрын
Wow this had to be allot of work. I thought Umatic was crazy! Love the Quads!
@fflynnful
@fflynnful 10 жыл бұрын
Hey Vincent! Howya doin?
@xray111xxx
@xray111xxx 10 жыл бұрын
Francis Flynn Hi Francis doing great. I love vintage a/v!
@jameslawrence4727
@jameslawrence4727 10 жыл бұрын
I WAS AT ABC IN 1979 AND WATCH A STARSKY AND HUTCH EPISODE AND I WAS WONDERING WHERE THE VIDEO NOISE WAS COMING FROM,,, ITS FROM THESE MACHINES THE RCA QUADRUPLEX WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@jaworskij
@jaworskij 12 жыл бұрын
It's HUGE!
@SO_DIGITAL
@SO_DIGITAL 14 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Awesome!
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 14 жыл бұрын
Ouch....those are some scary memories. I must say that I've never had any of those things happen to me. If they had, I'd probably have still be having nightmares.... in RCA blue! I remember that Chroma 90 tape was often problematic even when it was new....it's even more so now some 30+ years later. As for the tape breaking, I'm assuming you had the machines under editor control when that happened? I never had a 70 under editor control, but I can see them being a little rough on tape that way!
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 12 жыл бұрын
@IowaEye Wow....that's amazing! Keepin' the flame alive, big time, I'd say. Do you know what happened to those machines after they quit using them?
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 12 жыл бұрын
I'm not familiar with that clip, but would enjoy seeing it. I really have no personal experience at all with TR-600s, so it would be impossible for me to intelligently discuss particular issues and quirks with them.
@catholicpriest1
@catholicpriest1 11 жыл бұрын
God, thank you for the gift of live!
@RenaissancePeopleNYC
@RenaissancePeopleNYC 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised it needed anything at all!
@markbutler5730
@markbutler5730 3 жыл бұрын
I suppose they are in 4k quality now . The have to be razor sharp pictures .
@philkarn
@philkarn 15 жыл бұрын
Was the internal vacuum pump an option? The TR-70Bs I used at WMPB-TV in the mid 1970s had a big air pump and a venturi in the basement that produced vacuum for seven of these machines. Maybe you'd use an external pump when you had a lot of machines in one place, and internal pumps for single machines?
@justinellison4214
@justinellison4214 2 жыл бұрын
How many adjustments did these machines need before record or playback wow!
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much depended on how much time you had to make the adjustments and how good you wanted the recording or playback. :)
@Lion_McLionhead
@Lion_McLionhead 13 жыл бұрын
Modern cell phones may do HD in a lot less space, but they don't have warning lights.
@davidjames666
@davidjames666 3 жыл бұрын
or a vacuum pump system
@videosuperhighway7655
@videosuperhighway7655 2 жыл бұрын
Switching powersupplies are nasty, they generate so much broad spectrum RF hash.
@philkarn
@philkarn 15 жыл бұрын
Ah, so these machines required both high pressure air and vacuum? Where does your machine get its headwheel bearing air? I remember it needed vacuum for the guide that held the tape against the headwheel, but i'd forgotten about the headwheel bearing. I seem to recall the tape guide vacuum being generated from a venturi off a common compressor in the tunnel underneath the tape room. It started and stopped quite regularly.
@rty1955
@rty1955 4 жыл бұрын
The AMPEX machines only required compressed air for the air bearings on the headwheel. The vacuum was derived from a venturi located inside the machine itself. AMPEX machines were superior to RCA. RCA had to license their machine from AMPEX. The portable AMPEX VR-3000 used ball bearings and sometimes you would get headwheel errors from these balls rattling around. Heads didn't last to long in these machines
@adrianoolher1995
@adrianoolher1995 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Friend Is this video tape really 2 inch audio?
@rty1955
@rty1955 4 жыл бұрын
No. Never use audio tale on these machines. Audio tape has the wrong oxide layout on the tape. Video tape has the oxide layed out in a vertical format rather than a horizontal pattern
@kimkelly657
@kimkelly657 6 жыл бұрын
Why did it take so long to come up with something more modern than quad? I'm not putting quad down, just wondering. So much of TV history was recorded on machines like this.
@rty1955
@rty1955 4 жыл бұрын
Think about this..... Try designing a machine that can faithfully record/playback a signal from 20hz to 6mhz and put it on tape!! Ever since the first successful video tape machine was developed by Ampex, there was a "standard" that all machines developed after that point had to be compatible. Each of these machines were very expensive and a considerable investment for every television station was needed to be made. The quality of the pictures these machine made were outstanding! So why change? The next offering was helical scan recorders which enabled many benefits for post production facilities at a cheaper cost. BUT a new "standard" emerged the 1" C format that all television stations has to comply with. And now we have an ever changing digital format. These are massive investments that television stations have to make, so any change must conform to FCC standards and be much less expensive than the previous "standard" in order for television stations to adopt it
@FelixTheHouseFreak
@FelixTheHouseFreak 14 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt know what to do with all those knobs!
@djmk1988
@djmk1988 12 жыл бұрын
How much does this machine weights?
@rty1955
@rty1955 4 жыл бұрын
1800lbs
@nekomasteryoutube3232
@nekomasteryoutube3232 9 жыл бұрын
No wonder these machines cost so much back in the day, theres so much material and at the time it would have taken a ton of work to assemble these machines and the parts. To think that today, you could probably run your own tv station on 50,000 dollars if you went with all digital computer civilian stuff, though I know that tv stations and professionals use high grade stuff, rather then use everyday civilian grade electronics and computers.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 9 жыл бұрын
Well, "some" of the current video equipment used in professional environments actually is pretty high grade stuff, but....I would say there is a greater overall percentage of consumer-type junk in use now, than there was in the days of quad videotape.
@crustyhead
@crustyhead 14 жыл бұрын
Nice but wait until you see my TR 70B Documentary 111
@djmk1988
@djmk1988 12 жыл бұрын
Great, here in our country whe know only about kilos, i don't know what lbs means. Tnx anyway.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 12 жыл бұрын
if my math is right, I think that translates to about 818 kg.
@RCAquadruplex
@RCAquadruplex 12 жыл бұрын
1800 lbs.
@rty1955
@rty1955 4 жыл бұрын
What a boat anchor of a machine. RCA ripped off the desigb from AMPEX which was the leader of magnetic recording. The AMPEX machines were far better machines
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