Not everyone receives 3 meals a day. If WHO recommendations could be meet for 7 billion people next week I'd welcome the 100g meet included even while I can afford to afford/plan alternatives.

thanks for not indoctrinating the children. yes vegan diet is not for kids.

Ex Shenanigan a well-planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life; this includes children.

@@annaselbdritt7916 Nope. My family member has a severe bowel issue and vegan would kill them - it nearly did.

@@annaselbdritt7916 stop repeating a paper 4 vegan members of ADA wrote. ADA also has position papers suggesting diary and animal products to kids. Also on that paper it CLEARLY tells you that you need proper supplementation in order to sustain your diet which means that vegan diet IS NOT A COMPLETE diet. If it was a healthy diet we wouldn't see vegan babies dying from malnourishment, Belgium and Italy wouldn't sentence families to prison time who decided to feed their kids vegan diet. That ADA paper is only a position paper and who ever tries to pass it as a scientific proof, never ever worked on any type of academic research.

I agree. I have a family member who can only eat meat due to severe health conditions. I'm finding it disgusting that vegans would start to turn this into a war and eat separately or not buy groceries for them.

Lol right? It’s blatantly silly. Almost nobody in the world has that option. There is only 1 completely vegan restaurant in my town of 60,000 people. And there are none in the nearby towns. There are zero vegan grocery stores where I live either. And nobody but me is a vegan in my family (my sister is a vegetarian so of course she eats eggs and dairy). Where tf would I eat? 😂

Everything that came out of his mouth is privileged.

I was born and raised in Columbus, Ohio, and lived there until I was 34. I've lived in Austin, TX the past five years. Both places are extremely vegan friendly. However, I'm just not someone that goes out to eat often and I never have been. I love cooking and it's much cheaper and most of the time I prefer my cooking to restaurants. I guess the real privilege, to me, is eating out in general. If someone is coming to my house, they should be able to consume the vegan meal I cooked and if they feel otherwise, that's up for debate.

It's not privileged its a DXE thing. If you wouldn't eat with people feasting on kittens why would you join a table of people tearing into a turkey. Y'all are the crazy ones.

Mae totally agree 🙌🏼

Agreed. I have a diet restriction due to allergies, and my lifelong best friend and her entire family have different degrees of gluten intolerance, with her mom having Celiac. I don't force them to eat gluten containing products, and am actually very proud to cook a meal they're able to eat, even though it's not a "normal" thing for my own family. Meanwhile, they specifically treat the food they prepare me with the same courtesy. We choose our family over the food that's in the cupboard.

Same here. I always make a point of going out with friends only if there are vegan options available at the place we're eating at, but if they want to order something non-vegan they can. I've had far better discussions result from ordering my usual vegan food and people being curious about why I do so, rather than excluding them from the get-go. It's also really amazing when people start catching on and purposely seek out veggie locations for my benefit knowing this - it shows me that they care.

Agree. I am close to my family, despite the fact that they are no where near even close to vegetarian. We've had numerous conversations about it over the years, and I don't expect them to ever give up meat. I grew up deeply religious and having large family dinners on the sabbath and holidays was really important. If I were to stop eating at tables where meat eaters were... I'd have to give up those family events. I enjoy cooking vegan dishes to share, and bringing them to the table is an opportunity for omnivores to try something new. My family has gotten more and more willing to try things over the years, which is only possible because I didn't exclude myself from meals.

Yes! I know that I have influenced friends ro eat less meat because they see that I still eat delicious stuff as a vegan. I also think refusing to eat witha meat eater will just reinforce the snobby vegan stereotype.

"living up to his name" SCREAMINGGGGG! 🤣

I live near the arctic circle and I’ve been to Iceland and it’s really not any different. Really small remote villages sure, but that goes for anywhere. Iceland is very developed and Reykjavik has basically the same foods as everywhere else.

Cierra totally agree, that’s why I like unnatural vegan’s approach, she gives options for moving step-by-step in the direction of vegan 🌱

I agree with you. He rubs me the wrong way. I don’t call myself anything. I just eat plant based. Many years back, when I started learning about eating this way, I learned about a group. So I went. At first I liked it. Then I started to notice the attitude they had. It completely turned me off. I stopped going. Now I’m taking it a step at a time.

I always notice it's the vegans who preach the most about how anyone in the world can be vegan, are the ones who consume the most vegan luxury items like the beyond meat burgers and vego chocolate bars, and they want to act like living purely off a limited number of fruits, vegetables and a couple legumes is possible, let alone convenient, healthy and sustainable for the vast majority of people. Well come on then Richard, practice what you preach and lets see how long you fare eating the restrictive diet you seem to think is all some other people deserve, otherwise they're "immoral".

Jules does vegan gains eat luxury vegan food?

@@doofy3111 I have no idea. I know his name is Richard but I wasn't referring to him.

I actually came on here with a similar example, spurred by the "nephew" hypothetical from @unnaturalvegan - my grandma died last month at 96. She was in home hospice for prior, and I volunteered to be her personal chef (while making a second dinner for myself). I stuffed every dish with cream and cheese, made her favorite crab cakes, and even joined her request for "one last pizza together". Her last meal was a pumpkin milkshake with about a pint of ice cream. I'm proud to have served it to her. Cooking for the elderly (like this touching anecdote - enjoy your time with your grandma!) or infirm or eating disorders are just a few of the numerous grey areas, here. Life isn't black and white and this type of aggressive veganism does nothing to promote a cause. It only promotes a stereotype. Sorry for the rant, the nephew example reminded at least two of us of grandmas!

@@abraadduci239 RIP your grandma. You sound like an amazing granddaughter.

Claudia: You sound like an amazing granddaughter!

You just said the keyword! "personal moral standard" wish more people could understand this

Preach girl! I'm sick and tired of the asshole vegan stereotype.

I live in a rural area and i don't have a car. Where there's a will there's a way.

@@limitlesslenn7612 awesome that you can make it work! But would it still be so achievable if you had a disability? Or suffered from chronic pain? Then walking or biking longer distances might be insurmountable tasks and not something that just takes a little willpower. Just be mindful that there are people who live very different lives than you do.

It is crazy isn't it? I'm not poor, I've always lived in walking distance to a grocery store, I've usually owned a car, but I've also taken public transit and I can easily imagine how much of a pain in the ass it would be if you had to take a bus or worse, more than one, just to reach a grocery store. Then carry the groceries home. Now add two young kids and Jesus god save me. That corner store with the shitty food products is looking better and better.

It's bad enough that he doesn't understand food deserts (in the urban/suburban context). It's even worse that he has so little knowledge of the world that he thinks that getting fresh fruits and vegetables to the Arctic Circle is somehow easy. Some of those communities get deliveries twice a month - and less often when the weather is bad. What's more, if his veganism is rooted in environmentalism, he should know that flying vegetables to remote communities is WAY worse for the environment than killing a moose or whale and feeding the whole community with it.

@@SarahWelstead Exactly! I'm transitioning to plant-based for environmental reasons. I don't have an ethical problem with a beast hunting. But I have an issue with living off-balance, unsustainably and unrespectfully towards nature. I don't want to eat factory-farmed or endangered animals, that means my options in a grocery store when it comes to animal products are very limited. But when I was in Greenland, no stores on the island, I ate seal, like everyone else. (Most of them are not endangered btw) And I had a problem with Greenlanders throwing seal skins and fatt into the sea. I thought it was wastefull.

She was calm, didn't talk down to him at all. Absolute legend.

Hugenia Cooney I kept getting distracted wondering who let him out of the house with that fucking shirt. Like....Honeychild, it’s ok. We would’ve figured it out by ourselves, trust this.

@@dimestorewinemom2519 Haha, that's so true, he didn't need that shirt at all.

@@UnnaturalVegan By pushing misinformation, she'd stereotyped a country (Iceland) by proclaiming it to have few to no meat-free alternatives (blatantly false) even though it has an abundance of root vegetables/fruits grown and imported

jhnsnow421 I think she was talking from her own personal experience, sounds like where she stayed was a very small remote village very far up north, and not one of the more major cities where obviously this would not be the case. Especially if she stayed there during the long winters.

Of course you can! ♥️

I actually felt bad for her, people found her social media and shat on her...

Aron Gana I honestly thought she was the fake vegan. But tbh I think the situation brought out the annoying side of her. I doubt she’s that way in real life.

Aron Gana I don't feel bad for her at all. If she's going to act that way she should expect backlash

@@meikavorotsky1778 I feel the same. She didn't deserve the harassment, no one does. But when you say something like that/ express your opinion is a hostile way expect people to return that harsh attitude. If she was just nicer there would be no backlash

T McK well yeah like the girl in this video I think her name is Elizabeth? She was clear in her opinions but respectful of others. Nobody deserves harassment but Erin is the kind of person do judge you and get all aggressive and then get mad when someone does the same to her and I just have a major problem with that kind of attitude

Sarah WHabAJAk me too no one in my family is vegan, I always go to popular non-vegan restaurants but get the vegan option. I think it’s a good think as it creates demand for vegan food in non-vegan restaurants which means it’s more accessible and a meat eater might choose the vegan option so I think as long as your vegan it doesn’t matter where you eat 💗💗💗

Saaaame. I went vegan my senior year of high school in suburbia, so I lived through lots of family dinners that consisted of me ordering a random combination of side dishes. It was worth it to me to spend time with the people I love, especially since there aren’t any vegan restaurants in my hometown. I think as long as your family is exposed to your point of view it’s okay to eat with them, even if you know you’ll never change them.

Sarah WHabAJAk I went vegan when I was 15 and I cooked my own meals every day. At first we started trying out some of our local vegan restaurants. eventually both of my younger sisters went vegan a year after that. I didn’t expect anything from my family but they really supported me. And now we’re all still vegan 5 years later :D

Sarah WHabAJAk Hi I’m 17, I’ve tried to go vegan, I was vegetarian for a while but I wasn’t able to have a balanced diet or good diet because of my family. I’m gonna move out soon and go vegan. But my family is extremely against it and sometimes would force me to eat some non vegan stuff. Do you have any advice on it coming from another teenager?

Ava Noelle try cooking as many of your own meals as possible, and maybe even make some food for them to eat too, try showing them a documentary or telling them about veganism in a non- aggressive manner. My family was similar to yours at first because they just thought all vegans did was eat grass and yell all the time, but the more I informed them about the lifestyle and it’s benefits the more they were cool with it. It is way harder to go vegan as a minor in a non vegan household, impossible for some people. make sure you aren’t risking your health to go vegan rn you can always wait till you move out if need be.

So you would also eat human flesh if you had to? (that example with the Antarctica?

Tsu' Tey To the example of Antartica, there are so many other things to eat besides fruits/Veg & humans for that matter. And if I had to, I can’t answer that because I’m not in that position. In a state of survival and near death- no one can say for sure what they would do. The human body can go appropriately 30 days without food, but you can’t say you can go the full 30 days never having experienced extreme hunger. Then Humans consuming human flesh can lead to a number of health problems if done long term. But to answer your stupid question: I’d sooner eat the foods native to the Arctic than start immediately on eating a human.

I just nearly made an identical comment! He is so off putting that I think he does his cause more harm than good.

You’re still making a difference, even if you aren’t full there yet. You’re doing your best and that’s all that matters 💜💜💜

Yep, I was going to say the same thing. I'm a vegetarian who tends to be more plant-based than not (but I do eat cheese and eggs) and I can't stand that kind of attitude.

Dude, he just tells you that you have to stop exploiting animals for no reason. Do you even know what Veganism is? It is not a diet but a lifestyle. You see other animals as equal not objects. That's why he said that he would not eat meat even if he went to Antarctica. The same way you would not eat human flesh if Antarctica also provided it and told you that there were no other "options"

Tsu' Tey you say “for no reason,” then bring in Antarctica and basic survival. They were discussing the arctic circle (other pole) for one, but that doesn’t matter. Survival is a reason, so this extreme example doesn’t track. I mean, historically, when it comes to survival in life or death conditions, people do eat human flesh. Donner Party, anyone? But that’s ok. I’ll give you the moral high ground on this. Vegan award goes to you. I’m glad that it’s so simple for you to maintain this lifestyle and your inflexibility in regards to other people’s lives.

David Zapata word. i went vegan for environmental reasons and as a consequentialist who’s a big believer in harm reduction i look at the richards of veganism and i’m like... whew... talk about an uphill battle

😂 this is my new life motto

@@josephinechamron321 I could even say: "The only thing I have common with the vegans..." lol

@@davidzapata8930 ahh so true. i told my friends id changed it to my bio, but they didnt quite get the joke...

It doesn’t make sense to me. So you don’t shop at Walmart? Because they sell animal products? Where are these all vegan grocery stores? 😹

From other videos it sounds like the smell of meat is unpleasant to her, and chipotle can smell quite meaty sometimes :/

To me it just seemed like he really cares about animals

@@charlesswedenburg9449 yeah, more than people.

@@noelleirina5628 what about not killing animals makes you love them more than people

@@charlesswedenburg9449 he said that eating in front of him is the SAME as eating a baby

@@ChakadowGabe *eating animals

Exactly! There are NO vegan restaurants within two hours of my town so that is not realistic.

N C I was surprised to hear her say that. She lives in Portland but must only eat out with her husband. I live in Seattle and only my mom will go to a vegan resturaunt. It’s super unrealistic to expect. But I do respect people who are that strict

@@SuperFosterMom Portland is an ideal place to be vegan where there are many vegan restaurants. I think one would be quite fortunate to have non vegan friends and family who would be willing to eat vegan when out together.

Richard said he doesn't associate with people that aren't vegan so someone like that prob would just cut those people out there lives

Chillaxes i never heard him say that. What I did hear was swayze say that she only eats at vegan restuaraunts

Trust me you don't want your husband to be vegan he would probably start losing muscle, trust me when I say there are good reasons the Military won't let you be a vegan/vegetarian. Because the food they give them needs to have high caloric density, for a woman who doesn't have a job that is incredibly physically demanding vegan meals can be a great way to keep your calories down. This is especially true if you have a job where you're sitting all day. Marriage is all about compromise and even if later in life when he's retired with a military pension he decides to be mostly vegan/vegetarian. You should realize he's almost certainly going to still eat animal products at least occasionally.

@@ArchaicStigma lol did you really just come here to troll? Do you understand how the body Works?

@@ArchaicStigma That's not true. 🙄 The military does not say you cannot be vegetarian or vegan. My husband retired Army and I was in the Air Force. That's not a thing.

Chris Pie All Chris Pie All lol what?? I just stated that my house is not fully vegan 🥴 and who said I don’t have a job??? I have a job and a masters degree?? And the only reason my husband can’t be vegetarian or vegan is because of his MOS. He’s deployed a lot and has no other options. And he’s not extremely muscular regardless since they are actually deprived of food quite often while in the field or over seas to make the MREs last. He gets one MRE a day. I’m speaking from what I have observed from my husband being in the marines I’m not sure about other branches. Your sexism is reeking in this comment for you to make these assumptions about me.

@@samanthabelina6330 Yeah they have Vegetarian MREs

lmao why?

Yeah, I’ve noticed that people with his mindset don’t usually make it very long. I’m guessing he’ll be an ex-vegan in less than 3 years. It’s likely that he’ll turn around and become one of those people talking about how veganism is a cult when he quits too. It’s a bummer, tbh.

Tim Shieff!!

You mean like unnatural vegan? She's not vegan, she thinks it fine eating cheese once in a while

jhnsnow421 when did she say that?

Daria Albee FACTS AF.

Exactly what I'm trying to do.

awesome!

Exactly! Trying to do the same

Haven't watched it yet, but I will soon!

@@UnnaturalVegan Cool. I always like hearing your thoughts on films/videos/articles. You have a way of cutting through the bs! 😊 (Edit, if it's worth making a video about of course. I know the WTH review was demonetized which really sucks)

Yes! Please review Game Changers! My roommate loves (read: “is obsessed with”) it. But he’s a conspiracy nut, so I don’t know what to think.

I watched the game changers yesterday and I thought it was excellent, better than I anticipated

Yes, very good!

Same, I have 3 cats and buy them meat all the time. I do feel bad but then I... also don't? I am strongly critical of myself all the time so I just cut myself some slack with this one. I love cats and they need meat to live. Waiting for affordable lab meat for them.

Kocia Mama Yes, I think lab grown meat will be the answer for our carnivorous furry and scaly friends. It’s definitely not a utilitarian decision, but I’m not feeding my cat vegan kibble.

@@mustyfan1584 you can't feed a cat vegan anything. You'd kill them.

Don't feel bad about feeding your cats meat! They have to eat meat to live, you actually have no other choice or they will be sick or die.

Same

Ooo thank you for this!

Rebecca Marchand-Smith ironic that it's saying invisible vegan when they're talking about black people xD

Technorë I’m guessing they’re referencing the book Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison (not to be confused with the sci-fi book).

Yes I love that documentary, it’s also on amazon prime

My thoughts exactly 🙌🏽

İ woudl agree with you on leather if you would say the same thing about human leather. Would you wear a human leather after finding out what that is or throw it away bacuse it is disgusting to wear someone's skin?

hahahah love this! I still get that feeling every day and I've been vegan for a couple years now 🤗 I hope whatever situation you're in, you're able to eat vegan more often and enjoy that feeling over and over! ♡♡

@Meshari Why do you care?

@Meshari Hmm, this could open up an entirely different conversation.

@Meshari feelings=soul

This is a wholesome comment aw

But the herbivores make most pointless pets..

As a new watcher of this channel; here are some complicated questions I would have asked various Vegans (and others): “Is food (and training toys) for pets an exception to your dietary beliefs?” “Do wild life (such as pests that carry diseases and kill crops/pets) and insects deserve protection, over our needs? And at what level do humans and tame animals come first? How would you handle all the homeless (and now unfit to survive) livestock if the world became increasingly Vegan?”

Totally. He gives me NickacadoAvocado vibes.

Richard is hopefully offline in five years.

He’ll be a full on carnivore lol. It’s always the whackos.

No..he seems like he actually cares about animals

@Abdullah Habib wth

@Sammy lol ok yeah i'm sure if you were forced to eat a chicken or a human child the choice would be obvious

It is the same thing. Eating someone meat that did not want to die. See that why I am saying this channel is full of bs. She does not educate you guys well on matters. Although I do not agree with Richard on not sitting with someone because they consume meat. I know why I don't agree. But you. Nope. You don't see a baby cows flesh the same as human baby flesh. At the end they both were living beings that wanted to live. As a vegan it is productive to seat with meat eaters this way you could educate them on how bad meat is for their health. That's what I do not agree with him.

@@luka9911 A human is much more valuable than an animal. If you would take a gun to a child before a chicken, youre a psychopath please stop trying to justify your craziness

@@jessakazem1373 darling. A human IS an animal. And if the chicken was my chicken that I have known for years and someone told me I had to shoot either my chicken or a baby of a stranger OF COURSE I would shoot the baby. Because I have an emotional connection towards that chicken than the human child. And if you would answer that the life of the human is more valuable JUST because they are human then you are speciest, and that means that you are not a vegan either.

@@luka9911 "Speciest" That's a new one. All animals value their own species over others. That's nature. The fact you would kill a child over a chicken is horrifying

I am in the same boat, but I think of it as him also eating less animal products now, without me having to persuade him in any way. If I make dinner, it's a vegan one. :) I can't change his moral beliefs (this I've learned over years hehe) but if he was alone or with someone who ate meat, he himself would also eat less plant based. Every little thing counts. :)

when vegan indoctrination breaks marriages. stop thinking your husband has a problem just because the doesn't buy vegan propaganda. it's not only your husband, men usually don't buy ideologies sourced from empathy and ethics. it's precisely structured to be sold to women.

Ex Shenanigan but when they do, they can be some of the most unwavering. Similar to other beliefs.

This is definitely a thought that I had during this video. I’ve been vegan for a little over two years, and none of my family nor friends (including my partner) is vegan. I still have meals with them (where they eat non-vegan food), and when my partner visits me, he buys eggs and chicken and keeps them in my fridge. I allow him to use my cooking utensils and equipment to prepare them (he is respectful of my diet overall though). While I can completely understand why people would find these practices disrespectful, I’ve tried to remember that everyone is on their own journey and has their own relationship with the environment, animals, food, their bodies, etc. And so many factors dictate that relationship (health, ability levels, gender, socioeconomic status, etc). While I can express my opinions, I don’t feel it’s my place to criticize (at least outwardly 😂) what they eat (especially since I hate when they criticize my diet 🙄). I’m not in their position, and I can’t speak to where they’re at. I can only control myself. I also realize that I live in a very non-vegan world and I don’t want to ostracize myself from people I love and care about and who I know ultimately care about me. I also recognize that I wasn’t always vegan and that my journey wasn’t perfect, so I should try to reserve judgement.

Let him go hunting atleast once it's much more rewarding and he will appreciate the meat he eats much more but if he is not capable of that then shouldn't be eating meat if can not personally take the life of another living creature for food

Just fyi, your English is great!

Honestly, I find it hard to believe English isn't your first language! Your grammar and punctuation are better than what I usually see in comments!

Those eggs are what a lot of people would consider vegan eggs. Chickens and ducks make great pets, but you cant keep a flock of all drakes, or more than one rooster. Or even less than three birds, they don't do well socially without a flock.

@DaRK sOUL ​& Aviendha , thank you for your points of view!

@@lucysutton2730 thank you!

Chris Kelsoe I totally relate. If you haven’t watched Emily Ewing or the Viet Vegan, they are amazingly laid back and intuitive around food and such good role models. Good luck and congrats on committing to recovery!

I'm so sorry you've had to deal with that. I went through something similar with Freelee so your words resonate very strongly. She's not nutritionally informed and has always given inaccurate, dangerous advice. She has a very toxic, cultlike presence, and I sometimes still hear her words in my head when I'm thinking of food. I wish I had never gotten sucked into that and just followed the advice of registered dietitians and the latest nutritional information from the very beginning, instead of wasting so many years striving for an unhealthy goal. It's funny you said that, because I always say that Freelee kind of ruined my life. I didn't find veganism through her, but found her videos early on in my journey. It's taken me the better part of a decade to find a healthy relationship with food and heal from a very destructive mindset. I wish you the best of luck in your recovery!

Our local butcher sells eggs, sandwiches and vegan (shortening with herbs) alternative to lard products... When I was little they had fairytales playing if you sat still while waiting for the adult paying... that's like hanging out.

I meant The Butcher Shop. It's a restaurant in Memphis. :)

That’s not too far from the truth. I used to looove my beef jerky and such. I still stare at that aisle wistfully sometimes. Not all of us stopped missing savory meats. I still enjoy knowing that my current choices are more morally responsible.

My mom has terrible allergies and I buy local honey for it since it introduces a small amount of pollen into her system and helps sort of inoculate her against the pollen. I don’t think anything of it. I buy it for her because she won’t buy it herself. It’s not that serious to me, but I get why some vegans wouldn’t want to.

I do understand your point of view but i have to disagree. I think there are situations that you can’t avoid to buy non vegan options for someone else. If i weren’t vegan, i still wouldn’t expect a muslim to bring pork to a barbecue or a jew something non koscher. I enjoy people that take the time to find options for me but i don’t expect them to do just like they shouldn’t expect for me to get something non vegan.

My husband has asked me to get milk or cheese at the grocery store for him, and I tell him no, and try to explain why. I don’t think he really gets it, that it’s an ethical choice for me as well as dietary, but everyone can deal with that situation in a way that is right for them. If someone wants to bring something vegan for me I think that’s very sweet and considerate but I don’t expect it at all.

But you are judging them and it's more how well can you hide it, I think she misunderstood the question as well. It's not like someone's standing with you and they're like hey grab me a hotdog. It's more like you say "hey I'm going to grab a veggie dog anyone want anything?" Then your SO says yea I'd like a hot dog. If your response is get it yourself unless you get veg dog, you just come off as being an asshole.

Agreed. I mean, of course there are some things where I would agree that it's disrespectful. Say if they wanted you to grab a literal sheep head from the butcher (which is a thing, just in case you live in a culture where that's unheard of), I understand why as a vegan you'd say "Yeah, um, how about no". I as a meat-eater would more likely than not refuse, because that's just plain gross. But if you refused to grab me something like a chocolate bar, because it's not vegan, I'd go so far as to argue that you are being rude, not me. In a situation where sometimes I run your errands without complaining (say in the case of a significant other you cohabitate with), I'd expect the same from you. And if you refused to do me the favour and buy stuff for me, I'd probably reciprocate. Not that I'd see a relationship like that work out long-term anyway, but I think it's entitled and honestly borderline-abusive if you expect from me to do shit for you without being willing to return the favour.

Same here

i do too!! i live in a super cold, wintery climate and i haven't found non-leather winter boots to compare to some of the leather ones. i get them secondhand from poshmark

Agreed. I’ll never buy new leather but I use second hand. I don’t care what Richard has to say about it either 😂

No your not vegan

jhnsnow421 thanks, Richard

I fucking died during editing.

@@UnnaturalVegan You must get exhausted after all of that research and explaining. We really do appreciate it!

Kocia Mama yes!

Unfortunately anyone taking prescription drugs can't be 100% vegan due to medicine being required to be tested on animals in most countries.

@@davidthescottishvegan I think you haven't watched UV's video on how 100% vegan is an unattainable bullshit.

it’s for your health tho. i think that exception is aights? I think it’s so awesome that you still put in effort for everything else! Take care! I hope you feel alright :)

I take 30 prescribed tablets a day. Still vegan. Prescribed medications do not "count". The definition of veganism is "as far as practicable". If we have no other choice, then it's not practicable to forego medication, thus you are still a vegan.

this. if any of my friend did this i would tell them they won’t have to see my exploitative face any longer.

Obesetobeast did a video about it and specifically talked about abbey. Abbey comes from knowing how to manage anorexia and hyper restrictive eating. If i ate "intuitively" the way i want. I'd eat sugary cereal, pasta, and girl scout cookies all day every day. If weight loss is my goal i have to track what i eat to see how the calories are adding up and i dont think abbey gets that.

I agree with you. It’s also interesting that people say it can be a cure for eating disorders, because I’m sure it may be helpful for people with anorexia, but no one mentions how damaging it can be for people with eating disorders like food addiction. Intuitive eating may not be all bad or all good, but I don’t like how so many people just treat it like some miracle cure for anything. You can’t treat morbid obesity and food addiction with intuitive eating, imo as someone who has been very overweight throughout parts of my life.

@@catdragonrose2155 I love abbey, but I have allot of problems with how she approaches issues around obesity. As someone who was overweight until I was about 25, and never learned about nutrition or good eating habits, I kind of resent her hand wavy approach to it. It just feels mocking. It took me over two years to lose weight on weight watchers and change my relationship with food. I didnt need to "ditch diet culture and eat intuitively" I needed to get my effing life together. My life and health have vastly improved being 25kg (50 pounds ish) lighter. She has said several times that she views IE as something more complex than how she often refers to it, and I am genuinely looking forward to her series to see what she has to say. But I still think it's irresponsible to just say, eat intuitively read the book, and then say no diets work. Fine, she had an eating disorder and I'm sure that was awful, but being very overweight or obese is also a serious problem which will have long term effects (even if you cant tell what they will be now) and that should be taken just as seriously.

@@MartianBlues11 I completely agree, I mention the same thing in my other reply above (your comment came though while I was writing that and just saw this after commenting. It really winds me up when people who've had restrictive eating disorders lump it all together. In a recent video abbey made fun of this thing that lets you "lock away cookies" by mocking the idea that a person wouldn't be able to refrain from eating sweets in the house. The item itself was kind of lame, but not being able to refrain from eating things at home is LITERALLY a problem for lots of people whonover eat. I am much better now than I was a few years ago because I've spent time PRACTICING not eating chocolate in the fridge, not finishing dessert once I'm full etc. It's super hard when you've never learnt how to have a healthy relationship with food. And she clearly doesn't get it, and I wish she would just think before she speaks sometimes. Considering she's a dietitian, I expect a bit more from her than your average youtuber.

@@MartianBlues11 another youtuber who talks a lot about IE is What Mia Did Next. She runs an anorexia recovery channel. It's very good and very interesting. But it's also very interesting that IE keeps popping up with people who have needed to learn how to allow themselves to eat because their eating disorders were about restriction. I can definitely see how it must be freeing to sllow yourself to eat when hungry and not hate yourself. But the support you need as a person who needs a healthier diet is different.

That's the one good thing that came out of the "gluten is the devil" hysteria. But generally speaking I do not appreciate spreading misinformation like many anti-gluten people tend to do.

@@HerrMisterTheo my friend with a gluten sensitivity said it's actually not good for people who can process gluten to not not have it (if that makes sense?) But she's no doctor so I'm not sure the exact reliability of this statement But I agree with you That is one positive thing about the ~I'm gluten free~ trend

I'm a diabetic and I am really hoping the "low carb" trend will lead towards a lw carb section in the grocery store much like the "anti gluten" (not those with celiac, but those who are anti gluten) trend did for a gluten free sections. Most people assume that diabetes is about not eating sugar but it is more involved with that- and not every diabetic can eat the same. For example, I avoid all fruit because even "low glycemic" fruits raise my blood sugar so sky high.

He gives me former drug addict vibes & going vegan was how he got over it. Or past eating disorder & uses veganism for that structure. Either way it’s not good

@@breonawarren1507 to me it's the other way around. Had an eating disorder and now I can't follow any diet that feels restrictive because it makes me fall back to past patterns... vegetarianism works, but veganism is just a little too much for me.

Oh murdering billions of animals isnt extreme but not wanting to eat and use animal products is extreme

@@breonawarren1507 look I had an eating disorder and used veganism for restricting. I didn't care for animals and the environment I just cared about myself. Now I'm 3 years recovered and have just gone back to vegan a year ago because of the animals and the environment. There is a difference between a plant based DIET and a vegan lifestyle based on ethical and moral beliefs. Some people just are fed up with the hypocrisy and dumb shit people tell themselves to stay ignorant about the truth and care more about animals than their own tastebuds. Animal exploitation is violent and very frustrating. I understand Richard and the nice vegan girl because I used think like the nice vegan girl when I wasnt brutally informed about the way shit is going on and now I'm heading in a Richard kinda way because being nice girl vegan isn't going to do shit for animals and the enviroment. But I don't understand why people like u have to try project shit on to people like us. Like why is it so hard to believe that people just wanna change shit and not wanna harm animals?

@@ebthclr1624 are you having a breakdown?

If you buy that leather belt a carnivore might have to go buy a new one and then increase demand.

If (and only if) you can find that item second hand. I have really small feet. Nowhere has second hand shoes in my size unless it's kids stuff. I am not a child, I don't buy kids stuff. Nowhere makes high quality non plastic, smart vegan shoes in my size. I emphasise smart because I need shoes for work. Trainers are a no go, and I live in Yorkshire so I need something warm, so espadrilles aren't an option either. Leather does the job best.

Tom Jones I disagree. There is no way to tell a leather belt from a faux leather belt just by looking. So in that case, even wearing faux leather “could” lead someone to buy real leather. But still, I don’t think that’s the case. Buying second hand doesn’t inspire other people to buy new, expensive, leather things. The non-vegan person was probably going to buy the leather already.

@@MartianBlues11 Yes you can tell leather from faux leather very easily. It smells and feels different and the grain looks different when you look on the side. If unsure you can check your opinion with the burn test. I worked in a vintage store. Full grain vintage leather belts typically went for $25 for a thin plain one up to $120 for a more special one. Comparable synthetics belts used to go for $2 - $5 in the specials bin. You may be thinking of cheap bonded "leather" (thinly glued leather onto a non leather, synthetic base) but they not real leather. The thin layer on the surface is just for show and those belts have a shorter life than a 100% synthetic belt.

Thank you, this also confused me!

All the vegetarians would just talk about how much they love cheese

you should put this comment on some jubilee videos

chelsie buckley i don’t really think that’s fair, being vegetarian is better than nothing and is a stepping stone for lots. I’m 14 and my parents just let me go vegetarian last week, if I would’ve asked to go vegan they wouldn’t have even considered it. they both grew up on dairy farms and I buy almond milk and nutritional yeast for my own meals but it’s not realistic to ask that much of them right away

I looked and now I can't unsee it💀💀💀

Jay by see the world more you mean be ok with murder? Just wondering.

@@themyrtlewoodshomestead9371 Would you starve or drink a glass of milk, I'm wondering. 🤔 World is not black and white, if you haven't experienced that, you should get out more.

Exactly! Not everyone lives in LA!!

Jay answer my question is eating animal products murder? If grow most my own food because it’s too expensive not too. So I understand my limitations and work within those parameters. And no I don’t live in LA lol. I most certainly couldn’t afford it then lol

I was going to ask the same thing. Her video was excellent and she spoke about the realities of poverty and health in such a great way.

are you referring to her video about not everyone being able to be vegan or her health struggles? if the latter,honestly her video depressed me. So many "anti-vegans" jumped at the opportunity to blame veganism and tell her what to eat when in reality,Crohn's disease can become so incredibly hard to manage and it would be out of control whatever the diet would be. So sad to see someone suffering like that.

@@anonchick4789 I was just hoping to get her take on thefairlylocalvegan in general, but if i had to prioritize i would say "why everyone can't be vegan"

Thanks, I didn't know about their Mormon connections. Their "soul winning" sessions on the streets reminded me of evangelicals. The liberation pledge looks very much like the purity movement.

​@@narilias6621 The "speak out" culture they've cultivated definitely looks like street preaching, totally. They don't have strong Mormon connections, to be fair, just one ex-Mormon. But IMO the problem is that no one in their leadership said, "hey guys, maybe copying Mormonism isn't what we want to do." I think you're spot on that there's something pseudo-religious about them, though-they've (inadvertently, perhaps) formed a cult. There's a lot going on to analyze with their hero worship of their main leaders. They act like they are saints for the animal rights movement. Wayne in particular has awarded himself a semi-celebrity status, claiming he has some grand career as a law professor he's given up to do this (which is really a stretch). And now there's a sense they've fostered that he and his chosen inner circle are sacrificing their own freedom, picking up countless felonies, all for the sake of the animals (when really, it's because he gets off on feeling badass, seeming self-sacrificial, and being worshipped on Facebook). And if you don't think what they're doing is effective or positive, you get told "you must had thee animals." So they guilt-trip their members into supporting these tactics, and demonize any other vegan groups in the Bay Area. Frankly, DxE meets most, if not all, of the criteria for being a cult-it's a closed community, they foster an us vs. them mentality, they use undemocratic decision making, they repress dissent, run denunciation sessions for members who defy Wayne, reject of ANY reason someone could give to leave the "community" as being valid (they usually claim the ex-member had mental health problems), push for homogenization of their members (those identical blue shirts), they have institutionalized alienation from friends & family (the Liberation Pledge), pressure to engage in actions that sit in legal grey zones, authoritarian leadership without accountability (their organizational structure is appalling), constant sacrifices required for the leadership on the part of members, no financial disclosures for the TONS of money they claim to need, absolute vindication of the leader from ANYTHING he has done wrong (and the same is done for the rotten men he protects), etc. They also have some pretty terrible power dynamics running unchecked, older men dating much younger women, that sort of thing. And now they put a woman in the supposed leader's position- and I feel damn sorry for her, because she's being used as a scapegoat for all of this unchecked foul behavior. They demonize, marginalize and, retaliate against anyone who disagrees with them, and they convince all of their indoctrinated members to do the same. So I strongly urge anyone involved with them to think critically about their culture, and try to back out SLOWLY. They've been accused of a lot of pretty foul things, ranging from not paying sanctuaries money they promised to pay, to tokenizing Black & Latino/a members, to protecting men who have committed sexual crimes (I personally witnessed this), to accusing a Jew member of infiltration and stealing money and (I also witnessed this). They recently posted a video of an activist of theirs nearly being strangled to death and sustaining nerve injuries because of their stunts. It's NOT a group to mess around with. There are some really great people there, and like many others, I found friendships and meaningful experiences at their events before I realized just how toxic they were beneath the surface. They're a terrible representation of what animal rights activism should look like.

@@singlesidedampersand Waw, scary ! We have DxE here in France too and their leader (William Burkhard) has a bad reputation among animalists because he's into porn photography (he usually pictures himself as the "strong man" in these photos). On another topic, he recently made a video in a pig farm in which he appeared in a suit and tie. People laughed at it but now I understand that his outfit was modelled after Wayne's...

@@narilias6621 Ooh, he sounds like exactly the sort of guy they would would work with... vain, macho, sexist. 🤦‍♀️I hope you have some other vegan groups in the area, not just them!

Completely agree. She said it's disrespectful for someone to invite her to a non-vegan restaurant, so all family meals out wou;d have to cater to her. That's very self-centred

Some people HAVE to eat meat for health reasons. You're basically condeming someone like this to death by this stance.

Tom Jones what did you miss in my comment? I was speaking of a conversation between me and my boyfriend...he has NO REASON to eat meat.

@@tomjones2157 I think you're looking too much into her comment...its her boyfriend, I'm sure she would know if he had health issues causing him to be unable to go vegan.

Tom Jones I don’t think her boyfriend is someone who needs it though. That seemed like the point of her comment.

@@tomjones2157 Lol, first, if anyone does legitimately *have* to eat meat, it's certainly rare, and is thus unlikely to apply to her boyfriend. Secondly, even if it does, can he not cook for himself? 'I won't cook meat' is not the same as 'I will prevent you from eating meat, in all circumstances, until you die'...

If you disagree with people beating their dogs, and you have a friend who occasionally beats their dog, would you want to be around that? Probably not.

Sarah Morrison he’s not an extremist he is a vegan. Eating animals is either murder or it’s not plain and simply. You either support murder or you oppose it at all costs. How can it be any other way like honestly? I guess the question for you really is how bad is murder like really?

Because it's never a good feeling to hear someone telling you that you can do better, as oppose to someone that pats your back and gives you a medal for trying.

@@buddhanguyen1883 it's because he's a prick and so are you

@@ChakadowGabe it's funny how insecure and weak willed people are constantly seeking the opinion and approval of other vegans. Why are these people vegan in the first place? Aggressive vegans make you not want to be vegan? Do aggressive black rights activists make you not want black people to have equal rights? How moronic. If you need the approval of others to do the right thing, think about how much of a shit you give about the cause in the first place.

@@buddhanguyen1883 I love eating animals. That's the right thing to do in my opinion. Imagine being so moronic you think otherwise

@@ChakadowGabe you love eating animals, which is why you go on a vegan channel and trying to tell vegans about how much you love meat. Like i said, weak and insecure. You're trying to seek validation and attention.

Yup! I’ve experienced that too! I’ve also had someone basically try to harass me into eating a chicken wing 🙄 literally this woman at a family party that was just someone’s friend (not even family, never even heard of her before) followed me around for pretty much the entire time trying to “convince” me to try her chicken wings 🙄🙄🙄🙄