I still remember when you used to say over the years when you used to talk about those things, among many other, I explicitly remember your defeated stance about the reality of the situation "No matter what I say, nobody is going to listen to it, because it's coming from me. I'll just have to wait for someone else to re-bottle what I said before something gets done about it" or something along these lines. It's funny, seeing it happen now, more and more.

SBMM can be solved just by having ranked queues with SBMM and unranked without it. Let people choose how they want to play. It's that simple

The most frustrating part of sbmm is that games used to have a new player queue, so if you were new and bad you could queue there until a certain level range. Now they just make everyone think they're good at games

To answer your question about why sbmm exists true, I would guarantee it has to do with new player retention. A new player getting steamrolled and becoming disinterested is one less potential cosmetic/rift customer. High skill players then have to deal with the constant stress and anxiety of high level play and that gets old.

More react content thanks Tru3... Look at the metrics my bro, You're big enough to start doing this now. You know your viewers are all here because of your objectivity, Love it

So a correction on COD SBMM, once you pass a certain skill bracket (not sure if it goes of K/D or what) the game stops trying to find you players of equal skill. Instead what it will do is if there is 1 really good player, it will match them with 5 average-below average players then against 6 above average players. It will then consider this match "fair" as it thinks the 2.5+kd average player will be able to carry sub 1 k/d players. Or very rarely you'll have 2 really good players (one on each team) then the rest of the team is mid. I say this from hundreds of hours of personal experience from the new modern warfare trilogy. I don't smurf yet I will consistently play in matches exactly like this since my K/D is always between 1.9-10 per match and the result is if I'm not dropping an AC-130 I simply cannot win that match because the SBMM expects me to be able to carry the 5 below average players. This is why people in that community complain that they have 1 good match and they get put against "the all stars". They don't, they just got pulled into one of these lobbies and got stuck on the below average collection of players against above average players.

Why would they change dbd? The game has ZERO competition and they know people will still play it no matter how bad it gets because it's the only game in it's genre. They're basically saying we can keep producing shit because people will eat our shit regardless. Honestly would you tru, otz, hens or any other big streamer/content creator ever leave dbd? If all of the big content creators, and loyal players stayed this long even when the game is in a terrible state why would they change it? They're still making money, they don't care because no one can knock them off their pedestal. It's like rockstar games and GTA online, they can be the most money hungry, blatantly greedy bastards because they have no threat of anyone toppling them. They stand on a mountain alone and no threat exists to them. They will and can do whatever they want until long standing competition appears and not a trend like Texas chainsaw that died after a month. No, but an actual rival that will stand the test of time.

Online games now are just another social media platform. The goal is to keep the most number of people hooked on it as long as possible. It is no longer about skill expression. Get the majority of players hook by dumbing the game down. Then drain their pockets with cosmetics and in game purchases. I won't be surprised if DBD goes down the route of pay to win. Heck, some would argue it already is. Since, most meta perks are from licensed chapters that must be bought.

they should make a ranked mode with rank rewards, dbd has enough players that ranked would work fine and people would play if they gave cosmetics or iri shards for rewards, reset every 1-3 months

what activision has said is that the goal of sbmm is to increase the amount of time casuals play the game by making their games easier overall, because the longer they play the more likely they are to make ingame purchases. It has worked very very well. So sbmm is here to stay, end of story. It will end up in every semi competitive game unless the devs are just completely against the idea of sbmm, like in the case of XDefiant

7:55 I can chime into this a bit: People who play casually will still win, the game can’t tell when someone is winning casually or winning by sweating, so even if you play casually you will still gain MMR and eventually be placed into those sweatier matches at high MMR. Here’s an example, me and my friend have a combined 18k hours between the two of us, we’re both good at survivor and have dabbled a bit into comp dbd (we don’t do tournaments or have teams but we do know how to play comp), but one week we were just chatting and playing dbd, our builds were shit like autodidact, any means, real off meta perks that usually could be hindrances more than game winning meta perks. What about our comms? We just talked about our personal lives, literally 0 in game callouts besides the “oh the killer is [killer name]”, and that’s it. We autopiloted the entire time, just sitting on gens, adhd’ing chases and just giving, nothing about how we played was sweaty, it was as causal as casual gets. Despite all that, we ended up going on an accidental 10 game win streak, without any sweaty play, then we called it a night. Purely through the eyes of SBMM, we were gods, now at the highest MMR possible, ir at least a lot higher than we were the day before, so without playing sweaty, just playing casually as coconuts suggested, we were out into sweatier and harder matches, forcing us to slowly start locking in, changing our perks to meta, talking less to each other about our days and speaking only in callouts, and that was the only way we could have fun without purposefully throwing matches to rank our rank. So while SBMM will put casuals against casuals, it will eventually put good casuals against sweaty people, even if the good casual players don’t want to sweat and just wanna vibe with other casual killers/survivors. We all never want to lose, and if you’re good, you gotta give up on fucking around because higher MMR and memes stop working as much

Basically, what I'm saying is, where's the fun for the former sweats who are now "high skill" casual adults who only have time to play for an hour or two on weeknights?

True and Coco collab when?

You should research "engagement-based matchmaking", it's the real issue here. No longer do most games run true SBMM; COD, Battlefield (if people still play the recent title lol), Siege, Apex, etc. Basically, they learn what kind of player you are and throw you into grinders where you have a very low chance of winning, then right when they think you're going to quit, they'll give u a better/winning match. They also often pad lobbies when you buy cosmetics.

The root of the problem is in the game design. The goals of the killer and survivors are at odds with one another. There is too much emphasis on the killer preventing survivors' progress/escape. Instead, they could make changes to create more synergies between the killer and survivors' objectives, focusing more on the desired experience/fun. If good survivors and a good killer could both do well in a match it would be a much more fun and healthier game.

14:00 Content has changed a bit actually In the past, with people like Monto and No0b3, they would almost exclusively do either gimmick builds or flashy non practical plays, but now, people like Ayrun and JRM still do that, and many smaller creators trying to follow in their footsteps, but even Ayrun frequently uploads more and more sweatier gameplay, given that he is a tournament player as well, and JRM is the same way. Stuff like hardcore survivor, survivor escape streaks, or ayrun monthly “DBDS HARDEST CHALLENGE” videos, it dwells into sweatier content than it used to be a few years ago. And that’s just using Ayrun and JRM as examples, we nowadays have significantly more big name DBD content creators and most are just people who main one killer and show off their high skill, like Alranican or crohmbs for wesker, Lynxie for twins, onepumpwilly for sadako, or that guy who wrote the 100 page clown guide. Even otzdarva is like that, his content is playing the game at a high level. Digressing a bit, the content is more abundant, and while there still is a good amount of meme content from the usual suspects, we can also see a larger and faster increase of sweatier content nowadays

I summarize dbd like this : You did bad in dbd .. you feel like shit and other team will let you know how crappy you are and will make sure you feel bad in the end You did bad in dbd .. you feel amazing and other team will let you know how crappy you are and will make sure you feel bad in the end You did well in dbd, .. you feel like shit and other team will let you know how crappy you are and will make sure you feel bad in the end You did well in dbd .. you feel amazing and other team will let you know how crappy you are and will make sure you feel bad in the end So there is only one thing certain .. other team will let you know how crappy you are and will make sure you feel bad in the end.

Ive always hated mmr. Games used to be random whatever you played. Thats what was fun about games before mmr. Now we are forced to play the same way every match on whatever game you play like its some damn tournament and MOST ppl play for fun. Mmr is just a bad idea. Atleast every game that has it should have seperate playlists barr minimum

16:45 WINNING. That’s where the catharsis is. If the system is well designed and if you are playing consistently, you will win about half the time. And if you actually improve, you’ll win even more.

SBMM as a topic is easily summed up to whether the game is designed for sweaty matches. CSGO, Overwatch, Valorant, LOL, all games designed and balanced (Overwatch less so than the others) with competitive in mind and noone ever complains about SBMM in those games because it feels fair. When you lose, you feel you lost to skill and people adore the challenge. COD and DBD are balanced with the lowest common denominator in mind, therefor having your matchmaking be designed around your game being balanced while it blatantly isn't creates an unfun frustrating experience and therefor people will complain about it.

Okay, that begs the question, do proper comp titles utilise such system? Or it only the issue of a semi-competitive games?

I feel like even if they went back to the old mm system or create a better one, the queue times accumulated over time after a long session will feel really really bad. And the reason for that is just our playerbase not being huge enough for something like that. Especially if for example they were to divide it into Normal MM and Ranked MM. It will be horrendous based on our playerbase. It feels to me that many people forget that we are not a lot of people playing this game.

I would truly like to see you try to go on a win streak. Pick your best killer. Give it like 5 attempts and see how far you get. I'm genuinely curious.

I play shooters casually anymore and I never feel like I'm actually improving in call of duty because they toss me a bone when I have a bad game and then put me up against what feels like team optic when I have a solid game. I never felt like I was moving in either direction. So I quit it. Most of my time is spent in fighting games and I'm use to seeing/feeling improvement

Love the new react style videos

H2 was the peak of multiplayer gaming. We need to follow its design principles

TrU3Ta1ent, I love your channel so much, I just had to subscribe!

It's fun seeing both Tru3 and Coconut reaching a lot of the same conclusions seperately. Great minds think like.

Loving the react content tru3

I’ve been playing Halo for 20 years. Halo has always had the best matchmaking hands down.

Would you say that pop and pain res actually encourage healthy killer game play because they reward you for hooking different survivors and leaving after you’ve hooked to go kick a gen?

Video summary: "Nooo I don't wanna lose it hurts my ego 😢😢"

I wish SBMM would do as it suggests. Most games I don't feel I'm put against equal skill levels. I think my Win/Loss ratio is 1/10, and even when I win it feels i was carried by the rest of the team. Same can be said when I play as killer. These survivors are well ahead of me; no mindgames or brute force can get me the win. I understand it's good to issue a challenge, but I feel like I ought to stand a chance. How can players improve if they can't even assess the things they've done wrong? The matchmaking has become so demotivating.

I play the game for a couple days after every update, and usually I only play killer, just because I enjoy it more. But usually as I play I get more 3 kills than I get 0-1 kills and due to that I'll randomly come back to the game and be playing again some super sweaty people on my first game back just because a couple weeks before I had gotten a 3-4 streak of 4k's

never understood people complaining about SBMM, you are playing against your skill level, it's been like this since brood war days. nothing ruins my day like running into someone 4 ranks higher than myself on r6 siege. id rather just face my rank.

There's always the concern of whether or not the developers have the same metrics for skill as the community. A lot of Devs also overvalues party queuing in matchmaking as well. Just because 3 Silver players are in a discord call doesnt mean they're sharing useful information and at high levels players use comms even if they're solo queued. Though DbD seems to have the rare opposite issue where they undervalue party queues. People aren't frustrated that they get unfair matches, they're frustrated that matchmaking is supposed to be giving them fair matches and it feels like it isnt.

Problem is have with memey builds vs win streaks as both are collectively smurfing. A “meme” build really only works on low ranked players and is considered bullying. Meanwhile the win streaks can realistically only be maintained via luck or consistent smurfing. Win streaks are healthier though as the build it shows should at least be helpful for the lower level players. Also meme builds can seem quite discouraging to some players as its in the name. Similar to “dumb” techs.

Absolutely! The sbmm had good intentions, but it ends up making so many stressful matches, and that burns players out. The last react was about content creators leaving, but we don't see how many casual players just leave quietly. Those players shouldn't feel like they need to sweat to play a fun game. It's totally true that the casual experience will require adept play to have fun (or to not get frustrated at the very least.) If they are aiming for casual to have more fun, away from the hardcore players, they are doing it wrong. Casuals eventually gain mmr, and will end up against sweaty players, and it all happens so fast. I haven't taken a kill as Billy since Overcharge was introduced (just drift around and go for long snipes), and I face the most baby survivors as him. I still let them all escape, but I make it exciting and challenging, to make up for the stress that low mmr faces.

tru3 should react to Wacek's trickstar gameplay might change his mind on his potential

I really liked old 1-20 rank system and I believe they should just adjust it to be little better, nowdays that rank means nothing

Modern Day SBMM does make the game bad for most. (In pub matches) Low skilled, assuming they are not implementing bots or have much wider search parameters will be in their own version of a sweaty lobby. Average and above get thrown in their versions of sweaty lobbies. Then anyone who plays with friends that are not at the same skill levels also suffers as it brings those lower skilled friends/family or whatever they play with into a bracket they can not compete in and the player with the higher MR gets an easier lobby. So it's better for the higher MR player, but usually, resorts in the lower MR ending the session from getting repeatably stomped.

This is all exactly why i pretty much only want to play coop multiplayer and no longer competitive multiplayer

14:18 regarding the memey dbd content. Just wondering, do you ever visit other dbd content creator streams? From what I’ve seen, getting the content can take a long time as what the content creator is trying to do is actually kinda hard because most games they are going against competent killers. It’ll be the one game that they can do the memey thing that gets uploaded to KZfaq.

Haven’t even watched it but my biggest problem with SBMM is when it’s in games with a ranked game mode. The ranked game mode is there for a reason. Back in my day you got thrown into a CoD lobby and you either sink or swim.

Problems with DBD... Due to Learning Curves: Simply put, it is easier to chase than be chased when you both don't know what you are doing. Low-Level DBD: Killers Dominate High-Level DBD: Survivors Dominate Problem: Balancing one skill level of play unbalances the other. Casuals make up the majority of players Sweats make up the majority of core loyal players This creates the main question of who to please, and at the end of the day, it will always come down to money as that is the primary goal of any videogame company.

17:22 It’s only demoralizing if you play at the same skill level as usual but are handed a string of losses due to a bad skill system.

the problem with sbmm in any game is you don't get the reward for getting better at the game (which would be winning games) since each time you upgrade your gameplay so do your enemies and therefore you don't get the feedback needed to feel good. There's no point in trying, if you try you will lose more.

I really wish there was a total free-for-all lobby for DBD. I want it all. A total mixed bag. Makes every game unexpected. Thing is.. if they did implement an 'unranked' mode, you just KNOW they'd make it not reward Bloodpoints or go towards challenges. So.. itd be useless.

The dev is talking about the SBMM of Halo 2 and 3. Back when you could just hop in an Unranked mode and have fun instead of trying to figure out what's been balanced, what's the new meta, and so on. Not that metas did not exist, which I see many claim when talking about older games, especially in the Call of Duty community when they, in fact, did have clear metas the difference being that in a varied lobby a meta weapon is not required to do well.

The thing about DBD is that it's not designed to be competitively balanced. The intention wasn't to have people become as good at the game as they have, it was meant to be more party game style which is evident when you look at the sheer amount of RNG that exists in the game. Can people be really good at the game anyway? Of course, but the game wasn't meant to become this optomized.

Okay if ranked mode was 5v5 that would go pretty hard

No one was complaining about gaming back then, everybody was happy with gaming. You say you don't want sbmm and guess what people will tell you? "It's a skill issue" also the issue with sbmm is you'll go against the same players at the top every damn day. It just needs to be balanced better and currently sbmm is not it for every game.

Games didn't used to have SBMM back in the day, and they never struggled as a result of that. TF2 had a long and healthy lifespan despite the game being around for _9 years_ before any form of matchmaking was introduced. You just opened the server browser, picked one you liked the look of, and hopped straight in. Who you were playing with/against was luck of the draw. Completely unfiltered. Sometimes you would get shit on by god-tier players with hundreds to thousands of hours under their belt. Sometimes you would be the one shitting on other players who would in turn see you as the 'god-tier player'. Being a completely new player in that environment was a rough start, sure, but seeing one guy topping the leaderboards and singlehandedly dominating the game was more inspiring than disheartening. You would think "damn, I can't wait to get as good as that guy is and start dominating matches myself". Likewise if you get destroyed by a Soldier doing fancy rocketjumps you end up thinking "Cool! I should really learn how to do that!". Games did not struggle without SBMM back then, so what changed? I'd argue it's the consumer base that changed. The newer generations of gamers are fickle and have very little patience with their games. If they can't pick it up and immediately start winning within their first day of playing they will write it off as bad and jump ship to the next game that takes their interest. They can't seem to grasp the concept that you have to take the time to get good at a game before you can expect to start winning at it. Games like Unreal Tournament and Quake wouldn't survive in today's climate, despite being incredibly popular during their time. This fickleness is why games released these days have to find ways to throw free wins at newer players (either through manipulating who they play against or even using fake lobbies full of bots) in order to maintain their interest. I'd even go as far as to say that this fickleness is the reason why the gaming scene as a whole is largely dominated by a small handful of games. Whenever something new or innovative comes along that steps outside of the formula people are accustomed to the players quickly lose interest in having to actually learn something new and quickly drop it to go back to 'ol reliable'. The incentive to get good back in the day was so that _you_ could be the 'power player' in your lobbies, singlehandedly impacting the match and carrying your team to victory. With SBMM that incentive no longer exists, because no matter how good you get the game is specifically engineered to maintain that 50% win ratio and prevent any single player from being a 'power player'. The incentive to get good these days is nothing more than a superficial badge/number next to your username that tells everyone else what 'rank' you are. It's simply not the same.

Im coming from a fighting game perspective so my opinion on SBMM is a bit different. Even then i don't care about winning so much to the point where if i lose I'll rage. I rarely get mad at losing and its usually for other reasons not so much SBMM it usually has to do with a specific mechanic I don't think is fair/good for the game. I personally don't really like pub stomping players under my level. I love the crazy scrambles, the combacks and the magic pixel wins that have me on the edge of my seat. The competition makes it fun for me. Stress is apart of thw competitive nature of any game with a goal/Objective/scoreboard. To me SBMM is fine as long as the way how the system works makes sense and the game itself has decent balance. SBMM doesn't matter if the game is broken.

I quit playing dbd well before MMR or SBMM was in the system long but even prior killer always felt stressful. Especially when I was maybe 200 hours in game and constantly went in with SWFs of 1000+ hour each. Even if those weren't every game even getting once in awhile was super unfun and demoralizing on top of how toxic the whole community to killers in general.

Matchmaking should be for comp ladders games only. In other games it kind of defeats the purpose of ever improving. Instead of having more fun you're never met with easier games or the ability to do anything with your new skills or knowledge, instead you are punished and forever stressed out.

People enjoy watching their content creator win, if you make a meme build we don't expect you to lose, we expect that, since you uploaded it, you'll win. Unfortunately, in order to win, you usually have to use good builds. Meme content in swf is not build dependant and going for the occasional bush tech might work which is why it's in the video.

Ranked and unranked doesn’t work. SWFs gravitate to Unranked matches so they can maintain rank, but also stomp someone wanting a casual game and avoid Blights every game. Killers sweat in both, slug tunnel etc etc. They have that in DBD mobile, where ranked is less sweaty. Also, after watching many videos I don’t understand what Tru3 would deem as balanced. To balance at the top level like he talks about (eg balancing around his idea that a 4 man Swfs at the highest level is stronger than killer, even though the vast majority of casual matches favour killers) you’d destroy the base game even more-maybe I’m wrong.

Keep these comin!

proof for imbalance is literally the "comp ruleset". high MMR games are anything but balanced

5:35 In dbds case, this wasn't true according to the community. Not sure if you remember, but at the time (before SBMM) people constantly complained about matchmaking sucking. It was always hit boxes and matchmaking excuses when a popular streamer lost. Noob3 comes to mind as a person that complained about this, but he wasn't the only one. You'd also see a lot of people in post game chat checking hours and then complaining about being matched with someone with thousands of hours when they were new. IT WAS A HUGE complaint in this community. So, the devs introduced SBMM and then all of a sudden, everyone changed their tune....even the streamers. This is not directed at you specifically, but I hardly think you can blame SBMM on Behavior. They listened to the community and implemented a solution.

Yea. Thats why i stopped watching and playing cod. Because i could feel the SBMM at all times. Like i even had it down to a point where i just would reverse boost in most games. Sorry not sorry. Id rather go into a couple games and die and throw and have one really fun game than constant stressful games. I dont play the game to sweat at all, but if i dont then i get stomped due to me being in a high MMR. So then its either i sweat and the sbmm probably just keeps me at high MMR or just like reverse boost a couple games to lower my MMR and chill and have a fun game. I dont even do it to win i do it PURELY to have ANY fun bc i have gotten to a point for me where sweating isnt fun at all for me im on games to destress and relax. Not to sweat my balls off.

@7:58 SBMM doesn't incentivize smurfing. It literally creates it and makes it possible. Smurfing is impossible without a SBMM system. Back in the day, when we used to be matched with other low-ping players, smurfing didn't exist.

For the Prioritization I think it's worded weirdly. I don't think de-prioritized is the right word as much as opened the initial pool. So you would still have mmr matches but instead of it looking for masters, then diamonds then platnium it just started pooling everything to silver and first come first serve.

the problem with sbmm is the metric. if they counted something else than kills/escapes it could be an actual reflection of skill. The idea that matchmaking is flawed from the get go is absolute bunk tho.

Im tired of hearing the excuse “for new players” when literally they themselves said that most players have 1000s of hours new people are most likely coming in watching dbd or because someone they know plays it and will learn very fast my bf started last week literally is already looping killer cause I’m teaching him I also told him enjoy killer while it lasts

what successful online game has NOT had some matchmaking going on? And in which of those (apart from 1v1 scenarios like chess or starcraft) has the matchmaking ever been considered "great"?

the devs seem to be older ppl who try so hard to protect people like them; let's face it, they aren't getting a young audience any time soon. The game is legit kinda unknown to teens. "Sweaty teens on monster"... all they want is that their old audience comes back from work, sits on the couch and plays the game casually and still feel like they are good at it. The vast majority of the players are probably 25+ if not 30+. The devs know that if these 30+ casuals leave, the game dies so they sell them lies about them being "rank 1" in their game. Pathetic (btw ik 30 isn't old but it's just on the older side in gaming)

3:03 i don't think so, cause if that's the case why nerf all these perks and make all these changes to killer for baby survivors to feel like they're better than they are

Remember when red rank 1 killers would literally have to wait 40 mins for a lobby? what a time to be alive

The program can't differ good players vs cheaters, that's why all good players constantly get matched vs cheaters. All these players who claim to "never met a cheater" are just shitty players and get matched to other shitty players.

i love everyone is covering this. it was originally about how halo infinite was dogshit then dbd found it and i was so happy to see it covered because it's relevant to so many games. also i love the "care" to the new players like "you dont want them to be dropped into a meat grinder riiiight??" it's like they still are! a hard match for them is like someone with maybe a day of play time. barely anything! everyone suffers now! including them. thank you so much for covering this tru. choy covered it and i still remember months ago the boys unknown covered it when it started over halo infinite vs halo 3. if all the dbd boys cover this it'll spit at the idea of sbmm in front of the devs.

I with the basic principle but with COD you have to remember there's variables to controller being a massive benefit and also benefits to kbam (movement) there should never be a competitive skill base matchmaking where there are so many unbalanced and unfair situations. Competitive play has no place in a game where there are benefits to either player to begin with. With DBD the game is based around strategy so it can pass but with cod it simply comes down to out aiming your opponent who sadly has an advantage in some way.

the hockey analogy is strange for a number of reasons, such as hockey being competitively symmetrical UNLIKE dead by daylight lol

I dont feel the buffer was added because of why you think. You yourself were among many of high influential content creators rallying for the end of sbmm because of stress levels and being stuck with hackers. Sbmm was a counter to deranking which the same people whining about sbmm are the same that complained about deranking in the emblem system.

You should probably know who Coconut is at this point Tru3. This video is everything you’ve been talking about.

I’ve been playing games since the 90s before mmr was a thing. The early days of cod or socom, matches were better because you would get variety. Sometimes I would get wrecked while other times I would wreck or have a close game. SBMM popped up when the culture of woke appeared. When that happened we started seeing safe spaces and to me SBMM is an online safe space. Now I mostly play single player and coop because I got tired of only going against sweaty people because my mmr always gets up there. When I get home from work I want variety, not a constant sweat fest because they want to keep low level people in safe spaces 🤦‍♂️.

casuals and high lvl players get tough matches with this system. Thats what they are talking about. You never get to feel really good.

They should add casual game mode and rank mode with leaderboard. In rank mode they should let survivor ban 4 perk, killer ban 4 every survivor bans 1 so many problem would be solved.

Yea, I dunno man. we thought we used to be toxic back in the day, like we were mean in the 2000s. But, the toxicity has gone way deeper than calling each other names, blowing off steam. I used to love multiplayer games because it was so cool to get people together across the world to have fun, cooperate or compete. Now, it's just taxing, people are intolerable, the biggest game studios using the worst practices.💩

good killers will know when they shouldn't have won a match and that's usually at the end when the survivors throw themselves at you turning a 3-man escape into a 3 - 4 man kill.

tru3 to start this, i promise i love your videos, and i generally agree with most of your points in this video, but i do disagree with some of your points. sbmm isn't the issue. its balancing. if the game were truly balanced as in more killers and perks were viable, then you'd see more variability in builds(as seen in league of legends). sbmm is necessary for game companies that want to make money. they probably have analytics that show retention rates of new players. there's a good chance that new players who try a game and get stomped by a player that's better than them, have a high chance to quit the game and never return(which means they spend less money on dlcs and cosmetics). and as we know in many pvp games, the majority of players are in low ranks(which is why dbd focuses balancing for them). to the smurf point you made, it does slightly incentivize smurfs, however sbmm lowers the chance of a new player running into a high rank player by a lot. additionally games have started to ban smurf accounts(they put it in their ToS). moreover, sbmm when used properly will allow the smurf account to have a few games vs lower rank players but will quickly match the player vs higher rank players once it calculates the person's elo. i slightly disagree with the notion that sbmm in general is only for casuals, in team based games i would absolutely hate if i had low rank players on my team and the enemy team had the best of the best. sbmm helps high rank players in those examples. i don't support the pure organic nature of potentially going against pure sweats. if you get a player who's new and put them against a high level player they aren't going to learn much about what's going on in the game but when you put them with people around their level they can slowly build up their skill.

I think there should be a MM with like 3 Brackets... one for "Beginners" one for some mor advanced Players... and one for Long-time Players. And that's it... if I start today with the Game... and I get into matches where I have to fight Players on Tru3's caliber... I would just quit the game. xD

That dev that says "skilled play leads to kills or escapes" in the same game that noed exists 😂😂

Coconut:)

I've told you this a million times and i will still say it: ADD RANKED

I don't get what Tru3's opinion is here. Is he for or against SBMM?

27:34 If you imagine the MMR System as a Number from - lets say - 0 to 1 (0 no MMR, 1 MMR) if you take the variable 0,5 its de-prioritized because 1 would be the full MMR search criteria. i'd imagine thats how it would work. Its like an "ON" or "OFF" switch but at 0,5 its somwhere in between ON & OFF 45:17 I still dont get why some ppl still cant see that SWF is a huge problem in this game. It is a fact that if you play vs SWF, your match becomes exponantial more difficult (talking top 3% ofc). They don't even have to be in Discord, just 4 good players equally to your own skill level and you are fucked. It is so obvious. Thats the reason "Comp" DBD is a joke even with all the Banned Perks. DBD will never be E-Sports.

SBMM together with battlepass systems made me stop playing modern games completely. They basically turn games into jobs. SBMM ruins it for me because it ensures that _every_ match is either incredibly sweaty or incredibly boring (depending on the game's implementation of the system, some will put a shitty team vs a literal E-sports team, like Halo MCC does). Battlepass because it forces me to play even when I don't want to if I want to have _any_ chance of unlocking something. As a completionist I want the ability to unlock stuff at my own pace and when I want to.

Party game? What party would you play dead by daylight at?

Are we all forgetting that even if they went back or even create a good matchmaking the queue times will never feeld good at all ranks. Why? Because DBD playerbase is not huge compared to other big games like CoD, Fortnite and so on.

Found the Dev that needs SBMM because he sucks at games 😂

Tru3. I’m I fan of reaction videos, but you REALLY need to give the video a chance of offering you information of something to react to. This is new for you. This was, “Nope. Pause. MY opinion.” immediately. Let the video play for a bit man.

I can't entirely blame SBMM for people playing sweaty, because people play sweaty in every game now, not just those with SBMM. Gamers and gaming have changed. It's no longer enough to simply play a game and have fun. Everything is broken down and optimized until it just isn't any fun anymore. Some people blame social media, others blame SBMM or other psychological tricks done to increase game metrics, but I don't think there is any one thing that changed everything but moreso a combination of all of these factors.

you're pushed away from being good at the fucking game, THATS what kills shit with sbmm. No payoff for improving your reaction time, awareness, and aim except for harder lobbies. that "mix" of you stomping, being even, and being stomped IS WHAT PUSHES YOU TO PLAY MORE AND IMPROVE. fuck this only "fair" bullshit, because what ends up happening is you have to choose between winning And losing instead of having fun. WHY IS THE THING YOU CHOOSE TO SPEND TIME ON TO DE-STRESS FROM REAL LIFE PROBLEMS MAKING YOU MAD???? "OoOoO dont take the game so seriously" so i should be happy to lose every game? YALL OBVIOUSLY DIDNT LIKE IT, SINCE ENOUGH PPL CRIED FOR SBMM TO BE PUT IN. so now skill means nothing but having to sweat every game. Yall remember WAY back in the day playing black ops 2 for the first hour and up until you hit like level 20, you only played ppl in that same position? called the bootcamp playlist i think. that is what theyve done with pvp games now, except now, instead of letting you loose into the wild to have fun past a certain point, they put fucking chains around your hands and only add more the better you become.

I dont think you realize what is going on with cod right now they are not doing sbmm its eomm look into it

the stupid part about the hockey comment on dbd is last time we checked hockey has 2 teams wheres the killers team? cos its 4v1 dont remember seeeing that in hockey where its one goalie vs the entire other team, and the reason why they took so long to find matches for sweaty swf at higher ranks cos the game is still unbalnced and favoured to them so of course less killers were up there cos survivors were getting deepthroated by bhvr to be up there

Remove MMR and bring back pip based ranking system ffs

MMR makes the game consistently more sweaty because the killer will be trying their hardest no matter how casual the survivors they are going against are. I do no think MMR helps casual player in the slightest

Dbd the game that still havent done anything with Devotion levels, and no reason to get over p6 on a survivor or killer.