"We noticed that killers desperately need gen defense and often use gen defense perks, so we nerfed gen defense perks. Don't camp and tunnel!" - BHVR, probably

"Pain Resonance finds itself in almost 40% of all loadouts, and is one of the most effective perks in the game. We want to make this Perk less of a clear option for all builds" And what are the options that you guys are giving? wtf is this language? these devs are terrible at their jobs, they nerf things to force people to use less but don't give them options, go buff other things and people will consider using it jesus christ, there is a reasong why is in almost 40% of all loadouts a very obvious one and these guys don't know how and why data works for F sake.

"Not difficult to activate" gives off the same vibes from when they said "you simply have to hook the survivor" in a livestream like a year ago or sum 💀

At this point just add the killer bots already since clearly they don’t want killer players anymore. Can’t wait for this game to die when survivors realize how boring going against bots are, then wonder why they left in the first place. The devs suck at balancing this game for all sides bro….

BHVR: "Hey lets keep buffing gen progression perks and items every patch" Also BHVR/Survivors: "Why is everyone is using gen slowdown". It's almost impressive how little people understand cause/effect in the dev team and community. I also like how every patch note we see the devs saying hooking survivors is easy but the last time we saw a dev actually play the game they literally got 0 hooks and 2 hits the entire game.

I say this every patch: if you prefer Killer in DbD; just quit. That's what the devs want.

They keep nerfing Gen slowdown but not Gen rushing. Do they even realize why pop and pain res were popular in the first place?!

The BHVR cycle Step 1: Gens get done fast Step 2: See killers use gen slowdown perks Step 3: Nerf gen slowdown perks Step 4: Repeat steps 1-3

The balance portion of this update is genuinely terrible, the devs really are completely lost. I recently made a video about how a potential solution to a lot of these balance problems could be by implementing a currency system similar to the Pick 10 system from Call of Duty. The direction of this update specifically really reinforces a lot of what I said in that video. I also have a suspicion that the devs nerfed the best gen defense perks in the game only because they plan to add a new one in the upcoming DLC and they want to incentivize sells.

"We are nerfing these meta perks, except for survivor which will get a slap on the wrist along a side buff."

Your face on the scamper for Chucky was exactly my face reaction lol

People will keep cycling through which ever is the best gen defence combo, until bhvr nerfs them all into the ground to the point where you literally can't take gen defence perks.

I don't even play this game anymore and these patch notes piss me off

Let's just stop play this game, It's not worth our nerves.

Unpopular opinion: They try to get rid of old players, because old killers obviously leave eventually, old survivors either fill that spot (and will understand the frustration) or be bored by super long queues, so only new people will play the game. For how long though?

I've never really voiced my opinion much until now: BHVR wants to make all the killer players turn into AI. The rate at which killers are leaving this game, or switching to only playing survivor is astronomical. I don't get it, I love this game, it's so much fun and the content is fairly well made. What I don't like are the constant issues surrounding the way people are told to play the game rather than being given options. There are about 10-15 perks that get used in almost every single game. Why are people being encouraged to play the same perks every single match? B H V R. You're forced to run these perks or you have to worry about losing every single game. This community has these devs in the palm of their hands. Survivor only players are the reason this game is in turmoil. Stop nerfing things that don't need it, stop buffing things that aren't needed. Make DBD fun again, more balanced, that's all everyone in the community who cares about this game wants. Something needs to change at BHVR.

But now Chucky is really one of the worst killers in the game. 110 speed and what? What can he do good now?

Chucky is dead, pain res is dead, pop is dead, background players is probably stronger, buckle up is also probably just as good. Typical devs blatant survivor bias but no its only crybaby killers

So glad I stopped playing killer because its obvious the devs hate killer players, they always change things if survivors find it boring or frustrating but never for killers

What is more difficult than hooking a survivor as killer? Isnt that the overall goal of the killer? I understand nerfing Pop, but make the explanation make sense. "Conditions arent difficult" is absurd-level thinking.

These might be one of the worst devs in gaming history 😂😂

Notice how whenever they nerf survivor perks they also give it a buff to 'compensate' don't with killer perks though 🤣🤣

Its funny how blatant the survivor bias of the devs is. When a perk ends up being in every survivor builds they end up making it baseline (or nerf killers so that perk is basically not needed anymore). When a perk ends up being in every killer builds they just nerf it to the ground until it's unusable.

Before "emp" Now: "emp, invented by the romans in 15 BC,...."

Terrible... The most annoying change is the Chucky nerf, he already gets fcked because he is 110%. I will never understand why BHVR keeps nerfing the killers who are so much inferiour to the S tier killers like Nurse or Blight.

Devs must be trying to speedrun ruining their game 😂🤦‍♂️

This update has some dogshit changes. Thanks for not disappointing us, devs.

Im so glad i stopped playing this game almost a year ago now and didnt pump a lot of my money into it. This is just sad

Wtf just watching your Chucky gameplay on Midwich and doing everything right and still only getting 1K and they nerf Gen Regression perks and nerf him WTF

Leatherface and Deathslinger changes are fully ok. Deathslinger gets some quality of life updates, without any downsides, meanwhile Leatherface gets a stronger basekit, so you can use other Add-Ons potentially without missing out on too much power. And if you want your big power back, use the Add-Ons that are now weakened, which gives you + - 0 But oh lord the explanation for Pop is so insane, what did they think?

I've only 100hrs in this game, but seeing how they 'balance' things makes me want to just quit. Generators already pop like crazy. How the F*CK are you going to nerf Pop, Pain Res, AND Deadlock. What the F*cking f*ck is wrong with these people. I'm pissed. Killer is just pointless to play. I'll just keep playing survivor as I've been playing lately, it's just easier and more relaxed. No need to think

im reaching that point where im considering moving on from DBD

New pop at best gets you 17ish seconds of regression on a 99% done gen. After finishing a chase, picking up a survivor and taking them to a hook and walking to the gen takes longer than 16 seconds. While there are three other survivors who could be doing gens in that time. For comparison previously on a 995 gen it would save nearly 27 seconds. And this is best case scenario, like most the time you can't even find a gen that is over half done.

the minor, medium, major just is there to tell you if its just a number change (minor), changes the way its used (medium) or is a rework (major) regardless of how much those changes actually impact the game, id say the "minor" changes are always the most impactful ones they do being the number tweaks since they clearly just guess without testing the values

Nice. They finally adjusted Background Player so that killers now have to worry about it every down they get with no down time in between.

Im confused on the complaint about buckle up, they are removing the endurance which is a well needed and welcome change imo, but you also don't want them to add anything else? Are you implying that the only thing buckle up should do is give the aura reading?

Casually nerfing all the meta gen defense, again. I mean, sure whatever floats your boat devs... idk

Literally 0 reasons to play killer anymore. Im going full survivor with all these broken ass perks and rushing 3-4 minute games on loop

So worse gen regression? Time to tunnel, slug, tunnel, slug, tunnel, slug etc

As expected, they nerfed the absolute shit out of regression perks and barely touched the busted Survivor perks while providing a buff to the one that progresses gens. Chucky, Wesker and Blight ate a big nerf while Bubba and Deathslinger got minor buffs. Toolboxes will be even more obnoxious now, so slugging will be even more necessary against some teams. Deadlock is worse now, Background Player is slightly less good but can be used twice as often, Grim Embrace sucks even more now, Decisive Strike is the same, Pop is substantially worse (they think getting a hook is easy because they suck at the game lol), Buckle Up is somewhat less bullshit now but will still be used often, Pain Resonance is worse yet again, Invocation is substantially stronger.

with that chucky change it shows that they are in favor of the pre-dropping pallet meta rather than getting skills to stun a killer

BHVR really wants killer mains to stop playing the game, don't they?

The annoying thing about Chucky was that even if you baited the pallet drop and they respected, so you kept on running, he can still charge his Slice & Dice quick enough that he catches you before you make it around the other side of the loop. They should have made it so that the Slice charge time is slight longer at base, but reduce it significantly after scampering for like 1 second so that they can hit the survivor before making it around to the other side of the loop in the scenario where the survivor does drop the pallet. This would make it so he doesn't get a hit if he loses the mindgame (survivor keeps running), but does if they win the mindgame (survivor drops pallet and tries running around the other side of the loop)

Background Player is still going to be insane asf. It's going to activate more frequently and with how easy flashlight saves are, it's stupid.

I don't know why killer mains still play this game, can you guys tell me what's the enjoyment in being masochists? normally in S&M relations the S gives both abuse and care, but.... the devs only give abuse here, so why do you guys enjoy it?

I immediately laughed when I saw the Chucky changes. He is a useless 4.4m/s killer now with that change lol. There are way better stealth killers to choose from than a 4.4m/s killer that has zero counter at loops.

Bury this game at once devs 😂😂, remove pop and pain ress from the game and see 80% of remaining killers quitting for good

Stop playing killer. This is the message to dev

The best way to play killer now is to slug whole team and hook them after that . The gen rush is the most frustrating thing I’ve seen even without perks or toolbox…

Genuinely the worst devs in gaming history. I cannot for the life of me understand how this game hasn't died

These devs clearly prefer survivors. Idk how killer mains still play this.

"the conditions to activate it aren't difficult" BRO WHAT? Unironically, how many killer conditions can you have that are more difficult? "Pop activates after downing all survivors without any gens being done while it is snowing on a Friday but the day must fall on the 17th of a month and all survivors must be playing jake. If the killer accomplishes this, they may regress one gen 1%!" Were the conditions to activate dead hard (E) just right? What about DS (get downed)? This genuinely has to be the worst reasoning for nerfing a perk. Its also funny that the devs don't realize that gen defense perks will always be used and meta. It will just cycle to the strongest one after the previous one gets nerfed...

They killed my boy chucky. Devs are fucking incompetents

Dang Chucky's best ability was the Scamper. It was a good chase cutter, but Slice and Dice was so awkward to navigate that it became a hindrance. I'd avoid it and use Scamper or Hidey Ho to sneak up on Survivors instead. Mate I haven't played this game since a few weeks after playing Chucky, how is this difficult for developers to understand? 🤣 now he's gone from A tier to possibly C tier in just one nerf.

I would be okay with the scamper change if they would give him his 180 flicks back

The thing is, there are no new killer mains because of the game imbalance, but there are new survivor mains, so you have these seasoned killers going against these new survivors, causing them to cry about killer op but all they need to do is take the time to get good

Thank god I dont play this game anymore. The devs every time they realese an update frustrate me, among a bunch of other issues. I just like watching Tru3 play games

I used to play killer a lot, but I am slowly gravitating to survivor, because it's much less frustrating

It’s literally to the point where you can’t help but laugh, it’s like they’re doing it on purpose. Survivor is by a landslide the easier more enjoyable side of the game, the only hard part about it is you have to find 3 other competent players that don’t go down in 10 seconds by a god pallet, or jump in a locker the moment they hear the terror radius. It’s so bad and they completely bottle feed these players, it’s crazy how affective just holding forward after getting hit is, takes literally 0 skill but if the killer just goes for chases without strategy the gens will be done faster than you can down 4 survivors holding W 3 times each. 70% of my games I play I’m being chased forever and the 3 other survivors get 1 gen done when they could’ve easily had multiple. I can’t stand how terrible some players can be because how bad they’re is affecting game balance which shouldn’t EVER be the case.

I really want to see the win rate of the killers in high elo vs low elo. We know the devs have this info via the skill check percentage data they presented before. The constant nerfs to gen progression feels like they are trying to get an average win rate instead of addressing being bad vs good.

The funny thing is the invocation buff is just making a permanent brand new part on every single gen in the trial for at most 60 seconds of a survivors time that killers can not regress pass no matter how much gen defence you hit it with if the invocation goes off which is all but confirmed now for survivors all the while next week on top of it survivors are most likely getting another invocation to pop alongside this. Have fun killers going to be even more rough in general

Do people only just play with Survivor or Killer strictly why everyone saying they main one or the other 😂

If they wanted to solve the problem with the gene defence necessities in one fell swoop, they could simply make 6 gens as a necessity instead of 5 to open the gates. That wouldn't take much more time, but it would effectively be the counterpart to one or two gene defence perks, allowing the killer to take other perks without going down immediately. And it's a change that the Survivors can still make up for with teamplay.

Tru3, the devs have gone against good survivors before. Did you forget Mathieu Cote playing Hag in South Korea which led to the flashlights getting nerfed? Watch it, it's bloody hilarious 😂

I believe devs haven’t played killers in this game😂

Chuckles addon that revealed auras of survivors when scampering just became his worst one, I loved that addon

Keep nerfing killers while keeping survivors at nearly full power great balancing guys

I think this update is a 9/10 tbh, only thing I truly disagreed with was the pop nerf. otherwise I felt everything in it was solid changes

I think the main issue is the lack of buffing any killer perks to compensate, because general nerfs whilst needed for some of these undisputed best perks it does kill build variety.

Devs haven't got a fking clue, theyre so bias its cringe 😂

Well... I guess they are celebrating their 8th anniversary by pushing players away from the game lol Dark age of DBD incoming

Of course! Nerfing the killer power, addons, and the gens slow down perks. Harder to chase the survs (killer power and addons nerf) harder to defend the gens or camp the gens (gens def perks nerf), idk what i should do when playing the killer. Good job. I have a suggestion devs, instead of this subtle thing, why not decrease the gens to 3/4 from 5 instead, or add 1 more surv, so it's 1 vs 5 (that's good right, more friends can play the game together 😎), so that we all know the direction of the game clearly.

To make sure even you understand it, they buff weaker killers and tune down the meta perks to keep the stronger killers and the weaker ones closer together.

I main survivor but I also play killer. Seeing them nerf pain res and pop is super stupid. Sometimes I still get 1k-2k even while running those perks. That’s sucks for the killers mains

Devs never played this game it seems

I think the process for selecting changes in Behavior is they make a spinning wheel with changes and then cut a chicken’s head offf and wherever it lands it’s the change they make.

We're gonna live forever endurance, made for this, for the people and buckle up gonna go crazy

The bubba patch notes got me half chubbed

pretty cool update, looking forward to it. Specially if true thinks it's bad

I don't even know what to say with this patch, I ran out of words and all I was left with were insults towards this incompetence. They kill Chucky, they nerf slowdowns heavily, they don't buff anything on return in order to vary the meta. They don't even want to create gameplay that requires skill. Literally the scamper's counter is not to camp pallets, which apparently survs are not capable of doing. Then they say that tunneling is a problem in nerf Wesker, and instead of creating other perks that incentivize mixed hooks they nerf the ONLY 2 that slightly incentivize them. I wouldn't be surprised if Vecna had 1 or more very strong slowdowns and this was just a strategy to force people to shop the new chapter. The only thing these Devs are interested in is making sure that survs shop as many skins as possible.

I think the chucky changes is actually huge. He doesn't need to slice n dice to break pallet, just manually kick it like another killer and your power is 12 seconds now. 12 seconds is such a huge change because its also his terror radius hiding ability. I think hes more powerful now.

bro, these devs never disappoint. Yet you still find people that are going to defend them to their grave, fucking hell i am glad i left this game 3 years ago.

Most braindead takes, complained that they are adding something to buckle-up after they removed the endurance but if they didn't it literally would be the most junk f tier perk from the crumb of aura reading you get from it.

love how that take an already strong cheap killer and give him another buff instead of nerfing him

Chucky’s iri now is gonna be almost a must pick to break those pallets

made for this, buckle up and for the people could be the new meta. made for this gives you endurance while picking up a survivor and with buckle up the downed survivor can run straight to alaska with his 150% speed. And if the killer hits you you also gain 3%haste from made for this

Thing is the game has 0 chase perks. The best chase perk in the entire game for killer is a hex that blocks pallets around 32 m of a hit. yep, that's it, completely counterable by holding forward and doesn't last more than early game. Maybe if they ever added relevant chase perks people would stop using gen regression and switch builds to a more pressure like approach. I think they're just afraid of killing solo q but it's their fault for not adding vc already.

Ive never understood why gen defense keeps getting nerfed, like do survivors really feel like they "won" by holding M1 on a gen for like 5 minutes in a match and walking out the exit gate? No, looping and expressing your actual skill and escaping I imagine is more satisfying. Having games end in less than 5 minutes is boring devs. Please stop nering gen defense.

"we want to make this less effective while also keeping it rewarding" then they just nerf it and dont give anything to keep it rewarding?

I’m gonna be the dark horse here, I think all of these changes are amazing y’all are just wrong

I feel as if Chucky scamper being Nerf was a great touch. He was almost un loopable.

The Chucky change seems like theyre trying to make it so using the power at a pallet isnt a near guarentee for a hit like it is currently imo

You have immense passion for dbd, personally I don’t care for the meta changes or whatever I just love thinking about who the next killer could be and their potential. Interesting to see opinions and thoughts on the game.

Weaving spiders will be so meta. The gens will fly crazy

All chucky needed is to be able to use his power more often so he could use it in gen patrolling and chase and not waste a perk slot on stealth. Now he loses the strength in chase 😂😂😂😂

what was that 7 or 8 killer gen perks nerfed wile they buff a gen perk on survivor side is BS

So, we have found that survivors cannot possibly get someplace safe in the amount of time it takes to remove another survivor from a hook. This led to many situations where a survivor would get downed by the killer while trying to rescue a teammate. We have given survivors who are hit while unhooking a teammate a 4 minute and 13 second invincibility timer, and if they are downed while unhooking a teammate, they get a temporary special recover bar that fills at four times normal speed and once it is full, the survivor gets a one-time Unbreakable and Adrenaline trigger (per unhook event). Finally, for balance purposes, we are reinstating being able to be grabbed while unhooking a teammate. If grabbed while unhooking a teammate, all hooks on the map will be permanently disabled. -actually what fkn BHVR does

Patch notes like this explains why the studios other games suck so much, they have no idea how to make a game. I will never understand how DbD survives despite their best efforts to destroy it.

The worst fucking notes I've read in a while. I just came back to the game and already, not only did they nerf my previous gen regression perks (Brine, Overcharge, etc) but now they are re-fucking up Pop AND Pain Res... already I lose 2-3 gens first chase when playing a weaker killer... wtf are they doing to this game

Man imagine adding perks with the sole purpose of slowing or shortly halting the only objective that survivors need to work on by seconds then afterwards continuously nerf it until its useless cause it's a inconvenience for survivors quality of life. Like man the dev are thinking killers should only catch and hook survivors the gens are not important you know the one thing survivors need to finish to escape, the same gens that take 90 sec's for a single survivors without perks, tools, and no great SC to complete the devs are bias as hell in a game where the killers are supposed to be strong