Mary Fitzroy: Potential Queen of England?

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3 ай бұрын

Today we’re going to be looking at the life of Mary, duchess of Richmond…
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Linked videos and playlists:
Henry Fitzroy: • King Henry IX: What if...
John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford: • Henry Tudor's Right to...
Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
Portrait of Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset by Lucas Horenbout (1533-1534). Held by the Royal Collection Trust.
Portrait study of Mary, Duchess of Richmond and Somerset by Hans Holbein the Younger (c.1532-1533). Held by the Royal Collection Trust.
Screenshot from www.british-history.ac.uk/let...
Screenshot from www.british-history.ac.uk/let...
Screenshot from daily.jstor.org/the-devonshir...
Anne Boleyn in the Tower of London by Édouard Cibot (1835). Held by the Musée Rolin.
Portrait of Henry Howard Earl of Surrey at age 29, 1546, attributed to William Scrots (1546). Scanned from Hearn, Karen, ed. Dynasties: Painting in Tudor and Jacobean England 1530-1630. New York: Rizzoli, 1995. ISBN 0-8478-1940-X.
Portrait of Thomas Howard, Third Duke of Norfolk by Hans Holbein the Younger (c.1539). Held by the Royal Collection Trust.
Quoted texts:
Michael A. R. Graves, ODNB entry on Elizabeth Howard (née Stafford).
daily.jstor.org/the-devonshir...
Beverley A. Murphy, ODNB entry on Mary Fitzroy(née Howard)
Also consulted, were:
Other relevant entries from The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Online.
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@eleanorlavish1519 3 ай бұрын

She definitely dodged that Thomas Seymour bullet! Good call, Mary!

@RiseeRee 3 ай бұрын

I find the Howards in general to be fascinating! The fact that they are STILL the Dukes of Norfolk and Earls Marshal of England throughout everything over the centuries is crazy

@arcola44 3 ай бұрын

Absolutely! They seem to get along by going along, but only reluctantly. Topic for a future video!!!!!🏵🏵🏵

@Ruth-sx9lg 2 ай бұрын

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@cmcg9035 2 ай бұрын

I visited their home in Yorkshire. The domed block "temple" area was most impressive. The display of wealth through the centuries and how well they are doing presently was disconcerting for a non-Brit (not that robber barons in other countries aren't still doing well for over a hundred years). I think it was due to the coronation displays there (and all over the country), but the class system was very much visible, and rather than being impressed, I was despondent. At least those who can afford to see it now can enjoy the artworks that they funded through the years.

@maggiemaloney8599 2 ай бұрын

My son, an American living in London, by chance met and enjoyed a long conversation with Phillip Howard of Naworth Castle. He found him to be charming and very down to earth. My son had no idea who he was until as they were leaving Howard gave him his card.

@lorrainecrampton1632 27 күн бұрын

@@cmcg9035Why would you be despondent over so much wealth? It's no different from very rich families in other countries, except that they tend to be MUCH older here in the UK. Wait a few centuries and then 'new' wealth won't be new any longer 😊 The 'landed' or aristocratic families in the UK often tend to see themselves as custodians of our history and culture, and are often very humbled by it.

@Neddoest 3 ай бұрын

I was _literally_ just wondering, “were there any female Fitzroys?” And yeah- apparently there were, by marriage! What timing!

@Laramaria2 3 ай бұрын

* A new baby boy is born in the Howard family * - His name is Thomas. - But we already have a Tho.. - HIS NAME IS THOMAS!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 Honestly, I think it's impressive she survived that long, the Howard's were a dangerous faction in Tudor court and even more dangerous was to be a Howard in Tudor court 😂

@tessat338 2 ай бұрын

Different mother wanting to name her son after his father, irrespective of the fact that he already had an older son and heir named Thomas.

@Laramaria2 2 ай бұрын

@@tessat338 I know, I just think it's funny how many Howard men were named Thomas 😅😊

@jjudy5869 2 ай бұрын

In my father's family, you have to know who the mothers are to trace any family history. In my great-grandfather's generation, there are three James Burtons, all about the same age . When my youngest sister was born, Dad nixed mom's first choice, saying there were enough Lauras already.

@suzannegabriel3299 Ай бұрын

I've been doing some of my own family geneology - my family shares that lack of imagination My family tree - Mary married John and had children named Mary and John. These children Married people named John and Mary and everyone had children named Mary and John *head desk*

@patriciagodfrey6345 Ай бұрын

@@suzannegabriel3299 Checking my family line I have found: John, John, John, John, John, John, John, etc. Female side: Katherine, Katherine, Katherine, Katherine, etc etc etc. I made the effort to open the Bible and get something new. I guess that old school way of doing it makes monograms easier.

@katfoster845 3 ай бұрын

One thing I've been pondering is what happened to monks and nuns after the dissolution of the monasteries. Is it something you'd consider making a video on? I just think it's an under discussed aspect of Henry VIII's reign and the human consequences would make for an interesting video.

@2012Ursula Ай бұрын

Very good suggestion.

@amylin5062 Ай бұрын

Agreed! Also all the people the monasteries supported - orphans, etc. Henry VIII’s dissolving the religious houses destroyed a vital aspect of community support.

@wheezysqueezebox7651 3 ай бұрын

Mary Howard and Henry Fitzroy were married at 14, but considered too young, to consummate the marriage. Wiser heads prevailed ! If she attended at the birth of Elizabeth, which is possible, but not known, that might have put her off, the desire to consummate any union, forever! She fought bravely, for her due, and ended up, comparatively wealthy, in her own right! It's remarkable that she compiled a book of poetry, from many notable contemporaries, and medieval poets, including commentaries. What a treasure! She died so young, and still, apparently, a virgin. A very interesting, young Tudor lady! And one, about whom, I knew nothing! I don't know, if she would have been a good Queen, but she certainly had potential! 👰🌹🫅

@renshiwu305 2 ай бұрын

Also, the duke might've kept his daughter and Fitzroy separate, deliberately. Fitzroy was a bastard - a royal bastard, but a bastard nonetheless. Should Anne Boleyn fail to give Henry a son (which is exactly how matters panned out), and, with Princess Mary having been bastardized by her father, being the sole male out of the king's progeny would raise Fitzroy's - and Fitzroy's spouse's - standing, considerably.

@nightmoves12 Ай бұрын

I believe that as a virgin, she would not have been allowed to attend the birth of any children. At least, from my understanding. 😊

@FaunaturaleOG 2 ай бұрын

She stood strong when the odds were against her, she deserves her 🌹

@Myke_OBrien 3 ай бұрын

Brava! I didn’t realize that Henry Fitzroy was married. I always look forward to your videos! 🌹

@veronicaguyader9997 2 ай бұрын

I believe this is the line that makes it possible for direct descendants of Henry VIII to exist.

@renshiwu305 2 ай бұрын

@@veronicaguyader9997 Other bastards, more like - Dame Catherine Knollys (née Carey), Mary Boleyn's daughter, perhaps. Her daughter was Lettice Knollys, who was married to Robert Dudley, Elizabeth I's would-be paramour, the Earl of Leicester. Lettice was the mother of Elizabeth's _other_ would-be paramour, Robert Devereux, the Earl of Essex. Queen Elizabeth II was Mary Boleyn's descendent via her mother, Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. This is a more likely Henrician bloodline than anything to do with Fitzroy.

@user-yi7mg5ig6l 2 ай бұрын

I think Mary would have been a Fascinating Queen for Henry Fitzroy!

@Phoenix-zy1cx 3 ай бұрын

🌹👸 Another delightful counterfactual history! Thank you for taking us on an imaginary journey into history that never was! 😊

@kathleengarvey4634 3 ай бұрын

So excited , Dr. Kat' s content is a continuing education course. I love pre - Restoration English history.

@obcl8569 3 ай бұрын

Precisely right!!

@francesnash5872 3 ай бұрын

🥀👑 You’re never sure about their leadership until they assume the role. She was quite determined.

@Shane-Flanagan 2 ай бұрын

Loving the floral top 🖤🌺🖤🌺🖤🌺🖤

@heathersmith8549 3 ай бұрын

Speculative history is fascinating. It’s interesting thinking about how the scope of the world could be different from one change. Thank you for taking us on this journey Dr Kat.

@bonnieskilton3247 2 ай бұрын

🏰 My face smiles when I see a new video from Dr Kat.

@ellencook1658 2 ай бұрын

I love ❤️ way you put that: my face is smiling, too!

@karenkorab8269 2 ай бұрын

I LOVE your counter-factual histories and the possible options they offer!

@BlackCatMargie 3 ай бұрын

What a fascinating lady! I don't think she would have ever been Queen, as Henry Fitzroy's claim would have been too dubious, and Princess Mary would have pushed her claim with the backing of the Holy Roman Emperor, and the Pope. Mary Fitzroy might have been a powerful figure, with her husband and potential children, in a succession crisis, though, as she obviously had a lot of grit and determination. Great discussion! 💪 🦸‍♀️

@yousavedtheworldtoday6577 3 ай бұрын

Really interesting proposals, Dr. Kat! ❤💯🏰👑⚔

@okiejammer2736 3 ай бұрын

Love your sense of humor and subtle facial expressions. Ha! Very, VERY interesting video. Thank you.

@EriAug78 3 ай бұрын

Wow she’s someone I’ve never learned about ! I like her

@ingerfaber3411 2 ай бұрын

So many learned women in the Tudor period ! It is lovely to learn about them 🤓

@lynnekern3998 2 ай бұрын

Mary was wonderful. She had a mind and wasn't afraid to use it. I believe she would have made a fine queen.🌹

@lornaperryman489 3 ай бұрын

Another very interesting look at the past. I enjoy these lectures so much.

@Heothbremel 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate hearing about her, i feel like she gets lost. Good for her on not getting remarried to that creep!

@ashleydavis1937 2 ай бұрын

I love that you talk about people that are normally overlooked by everyone else!

@shahada95 3 ай бұрын

Omg! I can’t wait to watch this video. I love your account so much. It’s helped me so much with my homework haha

@maryarigho5868 2 ай бұрын

She was scholarly and didn't let her relatives push her around. Good for her.

@annemorton5236 2 ай бұрын

Speaking of the Howards, a video about the office of the Earl Marshal would be interesting. 🏵🏵

@leannboyea1822 3 ай бұрын

🌹another interesting video! Thanks Dr Kat

@SirrahSunday 2 ай бұрын

🕯I’m pleased to learn more about Mary Howard than is typically offered. I am particularly impressed by her resistance to both penury and remarriage. Considering the “baked apple” quote from her father regarding Mary Tudor, saying no to him must have been as dangerous and difficult as resisting Henry Tudor.🍎

@ebcram 3 ай бұрын

Fascinating as always❤

@TheMehamil85 Ай бұрын

How these people are so interconnected through the children of various monarchs is fascinating.

@robinbaum-hn2pc 2 ай бұрын

I have always marveled at the intellect and the shrewdness of this most centrally located family I the times of Henry the eighths times. How carefully they had to think and double think to survive let alone thrive. It’s easy to see how the family still is around even to this day. Amazing!🌟🍀🍒🍒🍒🍒

@MissNaude 2 ай бұрын

I'm obsessed with your what-ifs in history.

@tc74274 3 ай бұрын

Love your videos, Dr. Kat!!! Always fun to learn something new

@danielsantiagourtado3430 3 ай бұрын

Love your content! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤❤

@michaelthecarprof 2 ай бұрын

An excellent history of a lesser known figure

@snowwhite5842 2 ай бұрын

🌹 she seems like a very strong willed woman of the time. You are very lucky to have chosen this path in life, surrounding yourself in such an interesting subject. I envy you greatly.

@alexandraklint195 3 ай бұрын

As usual great topic ❤❤❤

@KatherineHugs 3 ай бұрын

Great video, as usual!

@LisaJensen-fg6jg 3 ай бұрын

So interesting!! 😊 Thank you 🩷

@beeheart6529 2 ай бұрын

Great info!

@Jo-pp7yj 2 ай бұрын

Fabulous. So much to ponder. 🏰 😎

@lisalking2476 2 ай бұрын

Love your videos Dr.Kat 🌹 Always fascinating 🎉 thank you 😊

@scottish48 2 ай бұрын

fascinating Dr Kat.

@kellyfrost1052 3 ай бұрын

Thank you, Dr. Kat. I love that you cite sources.

@Rosedawn321 2 ай бұрын

Love the Spring look today Dr. Kat! You look so soft and pretty with your hair down and the florals! ❣️🏵

@dianaanderson37 3 ай бұрын

So easy to learn from you !

@krawlb4walking802 2 ай бұрын

Thank you. ❤

@mburns75 2 ай бұрын

Loved this one! 👸🏻

@heyguysimstuck5196 2 ай бұрын

👍👍always a pleasure.. thanks, Dr. Kat🔥🔥😂

@user-ng8ol2lr3c 2 ай бұрын

Great story -- thanks Dr. Kat!🌹🗼

@Kristine709 2 ай бұрын

Another completely enjoyable video! 👑👑🍀🍀🍀

@ellenl5626 Ай бұрын

You deserve lots of support from KZfaq ❣❣❣❣❣❣

@ehojable 3 ай бұрын

Listening twice. ❤ quite fascinating!

@1234cheerful 3 ай бұрын

I will be too! Fascinating and unknown to me before!

@teresaholtom1630 2 ай бұрын

Love your content

@bobbid7817 2 ай бұрын

Dr. Kay, you are absolute amazing! Thank you for always bringing me wonderful history content!! I want to thank you for always being there for me when I need to escape reality for a bit!❤

@melissarybb 3 ай бұрын

Haven't watched this yet because my fav creators are doing lives but I can't wait. This is totally new info - I think lol 👸

@kellimihalic116 Ай бұрын

Beautiful lipstick looks great

@georginahoyle15 10 күн бұрын

🎉 Great blog

@milindamcdougall1862 2 ай бұрын

Fantastic video. I love this sort of speculation--there seem to be so many "what-ifs" that could change everything when it comes to this particular family!

@amandagrayson389 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video on Mary Fitzroy. She seems to be a person of learning and integrity. And she managed to survive through the tumultuous reigns of the Tudors. 🌹📗📘

@Muggle1983 2 ай бұрын

🌹 love this channel

@e.l2771 2 ай бұрын

Very interesting video 🏵️🌹👍

@tamarafarnsworth5049 2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🎎

@theresalaux5655 3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@tummymummy0867 2 ай бұрын

🏵️ lovely video thank you

@nichola607 3 ай бұрын

Great ❤❤

@joyvollenweider1126 3 ай бұрын

This is a fascinating possibility 🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺

@cmcg9035 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if Henry putting Katherine of Aragon aside made others, like Thomas Howard, bolder as to taking his mistress to court. As to Mary Fitzroy making a good queen, she certainly knew what she wanted and what she was willing to put up with. I wonder what kind of a monarch Henry Fitzroy would have been. 🏵

@2012Ursula Ай бұрын

Dr. Kat, if you haven't already produced a video about the Devonshire Manuscript, I think many of us would definitely like to view one.

@Doeeyez118 Ай бұрын

She was incredibly lucky to have even survived for as long as she did during the Henrician regime, especially after all of the falls from grace that the Howard family suffered. 🌹🏰

@lauracooke1262 2 ай бұрын

Great video. Have you done or will you ever do a video that talks about what life was like for high up people sent to tower of London. I can't imagine they was treated to badly? Or maybe they was. Would loce to watch something on this xx

@Tarnita28 3 ай бұрын

❤❤love it

@Sdragnasty 3 ай бұрын

Oh no, want more! 😂 🥀

@iansudlow-mckay1422 2 ай бұрын

🌹👑 she certainly seemed to be strong character and an interesting proposition IF she’d become queen

@kaloarepo288 2 ай бұрын

A suburb of Melbourne, Australia is called Fitzroy - and a famous football team!

@BeeKool__113 3 ай бұрын

Fantastic video, Dr.Kat as always!! Best way to spend my Friday and kickstarting my weekend. It was wonderful to learn more about Mary Howard Fitzroy, a historical figure I did not know a whole lot about. I am not sure why I never made the connection that she is the daughter of the scum bag, Thomas Howard the Duke of Norfolk. I am not a fan of his at all as you may very well gather. Something I find so remarkable about Tudor history, despite it being a profoundly patriarchal society, there are so many pivotal women who play such important roles. And, in many respects, were indeed women ahead of their times. I think it is really amazing that Mary planted her feet firm in refusal to wed again and seeking what was rightful her inheritance. And, honestly...Giiiiirrrrrlllll, she dodged a bullet with that potential second marriage to creepo Tommy Seymour. Good for her!! 🏰🕯💍📖👑📖💍🕯🏰

@debbralehrman5957 2 ай бұрын

Thanks👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🌹

@peterbarrett9237 2 ай бұрын

Always enjoyable and well researched. Your information is so well presented. Forgive me if I have missed this but my question is, when Henry V111 dissolved the monestaries , what happened to the monks and nuns? So many must have been very elderly. Thank you.

@Whimsey6 2 ай бұрын

The Howards are a fascinating family.

@lauramason5667 2 ай бұрын

She seem to be a fine woman with a strong intellect. I think she would’ve been a great queen more the question is what kind of king that Fitzroy would’ve been. We don’t seem to know much about him.❤

@chellebelle8902 3 ай бұрын

👑🌺💪🏽 I think she would have made an excellent queen.

@prettypic444 2 ай бұрын

I don’t know how well things would have worked out if Mary was Queen. Having her father in jail as a religious dissenter probably would have caused trouble for the monarchy. I could see the faction of Protestant courtiers not trusting her because of it (meanwhile the Catholics would HATE her because of her connection to Anne Boleyn) 👑🥀

@mejonesop 3 ай бұрын

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@Theturtleowl Ай бұрын

I think she was a very smart woman for keeping her independence. As dowager duchess she was far more her own person than as the wife of another noble.

@maureenstrang6130 3 ай бұрын

She seems to have been an intelligent and strong minded lady. Good qualities for a queen I think. If Henry had survived, it's possible that Edward would have named him his successor instead of Jane Grey

@nearlydied 2 ай бұрын

The idea of a strong, intelligent, educated queen to help balance out any traits of Henry's inherited by Fitzroy would be very appealing.

@renshiwu305 2 ай бұрын

Henry was (physically) strong, intelligent, and the most educated British monarch of all time to that point (and not surpassed by many subsequent British monarchs). Fitzroy looked very much like Henry. Whether the son inherited other traits of the father, I can't say. However, one thing we can say about Henry VIII: he had quite an impressive set of qualities (fecundity aside).

@Dragonfruit_Iceream224 2 ай бұрын

Can you do a video about the first Queen of Ireland Máel Muire ingen Amlaíb

@amylin5062 Ай бұрын

🌹 strong woman!

@julilla1 2 ай бұрын

It sounds like she would have been a shrewd and powerful queen!

@susan2441 2 ай бұрын

How is your little son growing? Do you tell him stories about real knights and worthy hero’s rather than the typical fairy tales? Will you be writing a book of those for us all? Thanks for you KZfaq channel and your great way of learning about our past!

@Abhrx4kr Ай бұрын

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@patriciahill6839 2 ай бұрын

She was definitely a strong woman , which was not desired, in a woman in this time. I ❤️ that she had the courage of her convictions and stood her ground re her jointure and her proposed marriage. A true Howard. Had Henry Fitzroy become king, Mary would have been a strong Queen but strong in her religious belief.

@notbill08 2 ай бұрын

Dear Dr. Kat: ❤ your channel! Your KZfaq award is hidden 😟! You earned that 100k award and it should be displayed proudly! The books and whimsical tchotchkes can go elsewhere. My 2¢ 😁