If there isn’t enough vegeta scenes in this video then just let me know in the comments, anyways there’s far more reasons than just this

Dragon Ball Super is doing the same mistake as MCU- dumbing down their characters just so they can be more "digestible" for younger audience

It irritates how in Super they made a fool out of Goku and Vegeta’s characters compared to them in Z. Goku and Vegeta were a million times more wiser and more of martial artist in Z and GT than in Super. All they did in Super was take stereotypes from Goku and Vegeta’s characters like Vegeta being too prideful to fuse or Goku being clueless occasionally and then just amplified those stereotypes to the max. It’s like in Super, Goku is progressing backwards like how in Super Hero he was telling Vegeta how meditating wasn’t training even though Goku has been meditating since he was a child.

1:30 can we quickly appreciate that gt goku doesn't have a single bit of hesitation of dying if it means protecting the planet and everyone he loves?

“Search your feelings” Vegeta found Bulma’s star wars collection lol.

Dragon Ball GT characters have matured and as a result have gotten stronger

GT Goku: Kills Baby, Super 17 and almost all the dragons with no fucks given because he realises that they are a threat to the universe DBS Goku: hmm Moro the one who was more than willing to kill kids and put a massive hole through my chest five minutes ago, is defeated... I must give him a second chance, I'm sure he learned his lesson by now

One thing that I really think GT did better than Super was their transformations. When I saw the original Super Saiyan God transformation in Battle of Gods, it was interesting in its own way (at least the God power-up wasn't represented by the standard Super Saiyan hairstyle). But when I saw the screenshots of Super Saiyan Blue, I was annoyed because, visually, it was just a recolored Super Saiyan look. I probably wouldn't have minded if those two forms were purely restricted to their movies, but then they're suddenly in the main Dragonball canon in Super. And then Super Saiyan Rose comes along (and is yet another bloody color palate swap). Meanwhile, with GT's Super Saiyan 4... well, it is difficult to know where to begin. Starting with, if you chart the looks of the forms of Super Saiyan 1, then 2, then 3 and finally 4, there's an actual sense of progression, and 4 feels like the absolute final stage - like Goku actually sees the final payoff for the Super Saiyan form. Secondly, the Super Saiyan 4 form itself isn't something as unimaginative as replacing regular Super Saiyan hair with another color and calling it a day. You can see it affect the Saiyan's whole body, mostly covered in red fur (complete with tail), with their normally golden hair back to black, and one change I particularly enjoyed was the Super Saiyan 4 eyes actually gaining uniquely-colored irises (whereas base-Saiyans eyes were always identical, being the same black color) - with Goku getting yellow irises and Vegeta getting cyan. Come to think of it, another thing I really like about GT as opposed to Super was what they did with the whole Dragonballs themselves. In GT, we did get the Black Star Dragonballs (which admittedly weren't great I don't think), but the one thing in their favor is that the cost to use them is too high and ultimately not worth it in the long run, so I can see why people wouldn't think to use those earlier in the series (especially around the Cell saga when Kami fuses with Piccolo and in so doing renders the normal Dragonballs inert). But what I really like was what the series introduced with the Dragonballs as a concept in itself: that every time a wish is made, negative energy builds up inside the Dragonballs themselves, and the balls are scattered so that the negative energy can seep out harmlessly over the next century. But now, with the Dragon Radar and the repeated use of the Dragonballs throughout original Dragon Ball and Z (essentially making at least 10 wishes over the course of what is likely half a century, meaning the original wish's negative energy would only have half-dissipated), the buildup has increased to the point where the Dragonballs crack and everything goes haywire, with galactic extinction being a very real possibility. As for why I really like it, I think TeamFourStar made the best analogy, with one character in DBZ Abridged referring to the Dragonballs as "the reset button", showing that the main characters had essentially taken the power of the Dragonballs for granted, and the whole negative energy/Shadow Dragons problem was a massive rude awakening for everyone. Meanwhile, Super just has planet-sized Dragonballs. Sure, they are supposedly the first set of Dragonballs ever created, and by a specific God no less. Aaand... what else? Granted I haven't actually watched Super (the unimaginative SSG transformations alone were too much of a turn-off), but so far, it just feels like the Super Dragonballs made the same mistake as the Black Star Dragonballs in that they tried to scale up the power of the Dragonballs with the new set, but not much else. Hell, with the Black Star Dragonballs, at least there's a definite penalty for using them (they're scattered across the galaxy, and the planet they're used on will explode a year on from making that wish unless the Balls are brought back to the exact spot the wish was made, which isn't a likely possibility normally), so it might be worth considering whether the increased power is worth the immediate high cost of use. But the Super Dragonballs are supremely powerful and grant any wish with no repercussions besides being scattered across different universes? That just screams 'poor writing' to me.

SSJ4 Goku always been a straight savage 🔥

Why are people saying the GT English dub is bad? Boi this is greatness I'm listening to and Gt Goku is a legend

GT Vegeta: Correctly analyzing an opponent GT Vegeta: Deciding and admitting they are stronger than him GT Vegeta: Suggesting a method to win anyway and protect the planet even though it means admitting indirectly he would have to be thousands of times stronger to win GT Vegeta: Acting like god damn royalty GT Vegeta: *KING* of all Saiyans.

GT was mature, Super is a kid show. It should have been Gohan Black: Student vs Master. GT had it's flaws but I enjoyed watching and rewatching it. I stopped reading Super after Vegeta's treatment during the Moro and Granolah arc.

I don't like the idea of DBS changing these characters completely but worse. Vegeta still being arrogant and selfish as he was in Cell saga and Goku being naive and dumb as shit as he was before. GT Goku is more badass and more mature while Vegeta is more of "brother" and way more badass than he is in DBS.

It is honestly frustrating to see goku get captured and grabbed and transform in the last minute when he can do this earlier. Or better yet not dropping his guard.

personally GT goku and vegeta are more matured and wiser

There’s a certain Magic that Dbz had that Super just doesnt. The Animation, the voice acting, And the music is what really made it special. Plus the characters felt cool and relatable

Yes! I've been telling my friends this for years but they just say GT isn't Canon so it doesn't matter. GT always had a sense of danger and unpredictability to it while Super is constantly being held down by Beerus/Whis being there. Whenever there is danger in Super, Beerus is a last resort for ice cream or the dragon balls have no limit whatsoever. Not to say I don't like Super, I just think it was sold out for children and lost its core value.

YES!!! GT deserves recognition!

Bro goku's voice in gt are so damnn cold

I think the problem for DBS is they made pure Saiyans want battle so much as if it's an addiction, in DBZ they did love fighting but they didn't like it at a level where they would risk the earth just for a fight.

I'm glad youtube recommended me this today finally some GT praise

Super is not Dragon Ball. We all could feel better if we just admit it. It's just a brand. Nothing different by a school bag or a t-shirt with an image of Goku printed on it. It has nothing new to show and it just tries to replicates historical scenes from Z, but in the it's just like the discount version of your favourite chocolate cereals.

This makes me furious. Why couldn’t they leave it alone after GT. Sometimes it’s better for things end sweetly rather than drag them out and become shit

I agree bro the Characterization of Goku and the rest of the cast in Super seems very hollow although Goku is always focused on getting stronger and fighting strong opponents Goku has also always hated cruelty and used his power to stand up for what’s right because he knew that was his burden that’s the whole reason he wished Buu could’ve been a good person because he wanted fight him but he knew as he was he needed to be put down and the reason why he eventually killed Frieza(at least he thought he did) and yelled at Gohan for not Killing Cell.

The more I watch Super, the more it infuriates me that Goku doesn’t act like himself. He’s a God now, why couldn’t he sense any energies from his enemies in the Universe Tournament? Even if he did have his guard down, he’d know somebody is there considering the first big enemy of DBZ, Radditz, was sensed from pretty far away. Also, the fact he’s not bothered by the Earth, family, and friends being threatened by death and destruction throughout the entire series, seeing it as some game, doesn’t help the case either. GT, despite its flaws, matured Goku and made him an even better character overall. Super’s been making him some clown with no respect for his loved ones, only caring about fighting and training exclusively.

man what if super had the seriousness and maturity of gt, crazy potential. imagine how it would be if gt goku saw black

Im my opinion,if with the Goku Black saga,he actually turned out to be Goten from the future,but had a better storyline,it would have easily been the best arc of DBS

Dbgt is an anime while dbs is a cartoon. Simple as that

GT Vegeta is so cool and mature and so is Goku.

Im just glad that im one of those luckiest human to watch the dbz before dbshit!!!

ssj4 is the pinnacle of saijan power as it literally is there ruthlessness and madness controlled and fired rather than wildly used

Whats even funnier is that in gt goku was playing with baby vegeta

fun fact base gt goku is stronger than true ultra instinct super goku

people are mad because it is true

I fucking love this🤣🤣🤣putting Super to shame lmao i always Loved DB, DBZ, DBGT these three will always be the REAL Dragon Ball franchise because they still respected the lore and all the characters progressed, Super is literally millions of steps backwards and a disgrace to the franchise so thanks a lot for making this video man i was laughing my ass off at the subtitles when DBS Goku/Vegeta was being dumbasses and the Yawning emoji 🤣

Goku is mature and db ends like 20 years ago. And ssj4 is the strongest transformation. That is it. Idc what anyone says. Akira making dbs is just cash grab. Simple. I’m done.

Super lost sense of danger and anything,when the enemy wins and really won when merged zamazu got over the universe ,zeno just came out and destroyed the universe with zamazu, it was the worst ending it could come out from an asspull plot.

I just realized what was the point Of the senzu bean if they fused, wouldn’t Vegito be at full power either way? In fusion reborn they fused while injured and came out as an unscathed Gogeta as well as when they first they fused into Vegito

This is why Goku ssb can't get legends limited because it's super Saiyan 4 is more physical power of him

well in GT we can definitely see the definitely final fight and a more mature vegeta and goky

When you realize Toriyama said in a interview that Goku wasn't an altogether good person and is driven by his instinctual need to fight strong beings which often leads to greater collateral damage and endangering the planet and innocent people. GT wasn't written by Toriyama which was probably the reason Goku appeared more mature in it. Another possible reason is that early English dubs of Z often portrayed Goku as more heroic than in canon and the GT dub followed suit.

I've never cared about Super ever since it aired, and since then I've only learned to appreciate GT that much more. Used to not care too much about GT either, with the exception of Shenron Saga, but it's a damn masterpiece compared Super imo. I feel like people mostly just like Super because of the modernized visuals, better choreography, and having a super saiyan form with blue hair. Although, I am slightly biased as Vegeta is my favorite character and they make him the butt of the joke at almost every chance they get. I don't even wanna talk about when Beerus first was introduced.

I thought that part of goku getting caught by that green guy in the tournament of power is stupid

Goku in Z and GT: I am a saiyan raised on earth who wants to become the strongest fighter and show justice to evil whenever it needs to be done. Goku in super: I just wanna fight 👶

DBS is super cheap and generic, GT is top tier

Gt Goku is pure unadulterated badass

I’m so glad more and more people are realizing how unwatchable goku and vegeta are in super. The goku and vegeta in super are not the same goku and vegeta in Z. But the gt goku and vegeta are the same goku and vegeta from Z. What’s done is done, all we can hope for is the continued Super can restore their honour. I haven’t lost faith in the writers just yet.

well to be fair GT takes place many years in the future so it sort of makes sense that goku learned from his mistakes

GT: - our sons fighting together to save the planet, it doesn't get any better than this. - kakarot are we going to use fusion or not!? - the saiyans? they're here, i am they, we are one, unfortunately for you omega. super: - SHUT IT KAKAROT - buuuut vegeeeeetaaaa, if we beat him now he won't come back stronger to give us proper fight! - I SAID SHUT IT KAKAROT!

GT Goku feels like a natural evolution of Z Goku and as a result is far more likable unlike a certain goku that is dumb irresponsible and battle hungry too much to the point where it becomes annoying after a while and lets not forget the fact that super Goku constantly puts his friends and family in danger for his own benefit Edit: also there’s the fact that GT Goku was willing to leave the people that he loves in order for them to have a better chance of living a peaceful life which is one of the reasons why I actually love GT more than Super

From the Future Trunks saga in DBS to GT that’s more than 10 years apart, it’s no wonder they act more mature in GT

True GT is better than Super

Those gt clips where fire.

Bro when I first saw dragon ball super, I thought it was a prequel to Z when I was little, that's how dumb super made goku 💀

Never thought of this until watching this video but yeah Goku and Vegeta are more in character in GT.

super with gt charcter writing z story telling and blood and gritness with the updated style of super would have been GREAT

There was Just 1 vegeta clip And that was enough for me to Say that GT vegeta Is the goat

Gt is the peak of all these characters even piccolo and the rest

Super undermined Vegeta's character growth

gt goku is goku that basically never hit his head

The old Vegeta would’ve snuck in a fatal attack against Goku Black while he was distracted fighting Goku, know why? Because he’s be pissed that he killed his future wife

I just hate it when they just forget that vegeta put away his pride against kid buu when he even suggests that goku needed to use spirit bomb and he will hold him off and he even ask help to the earth to give there energy and we know that vegeta got a lot of pride so much that he will refuse to someone to interfere the fight but he just put it away just to take out buu unlike now tho...... he still alot of pride and so selfish still and even ask for help

3:13 "Hey, wait a minute, that's Pan's bag. What have you done with her?" "Kakarot, what the hell are you talking about there's no bag."

Not gonna lie gt goku and vegeta was smatter and more cool but more people think gt is more trash then super and goku treated Jiren like an enemy and gt is not cannon so goku is not gonna act like that and goku i bet was waiting for the best time to take him out and love your content keep it up

Guys the problem is our society is weaker that why DBS feel like a more family friendly cartoon. Liberalism and globalism want to erase the concept of what moral and not. And Dragonball og was all about that. Toei must have just had to obey if they want to still be in the game thats it.

GT Goku still enjoys a fight but also knows when to cut out the bull crap and get it done

GT raised the stakes make us and the characters realize the consequences of their actions hood and bad and most importantly he meant business especially after super saiyan 4 💯

Just think of the possibility of that Graber guy could continued to keep grabbing blue goku for at least 5 seconds more goku and universe 7 would basically lose in the end. And why he didn't try to fight black goku seriously at first I know it's somewhat filler but he should at least go god form you could have him almost kill him but escapes at the end but no stupid super Goku forgetting the evil containment wave seal.

This is what character development looks like. Take notes DB Super fanboys.

Man just di gt clips got me through it lol

gt makes it seem like there's an actual danger , super seems like they're goofing off the whole time no matter the conflict

can we take a moment and mourn the loss of pre super vegeta who actually had good chracter devolpment and was compeltely removed in super for a inferior vegeta

I just hate it when they just forget that vegeta put away his pride against kid buu when he even suggests that goku needed to use spirit bomb and he will hold him off and he even ask help to the earth to give there energy and we know that vegeta got a lot of pride so much that he will refuse to someone to interfere the fight but he just put it away just to take out buu unlike now tho...... he still has a lot of pride to even ask for help to someone, and it seems that in a recent chapter, he got more prideful with his new form. Now for dbz goku will take dangerous enemy seriously will ask for help when he needed like how he use gohan to fight cell and it because he saw a powerful potential to him and he would not be able to attained that form in time and in the buu saga we know that goku said he could finish fat buu with his super saiyan 3 but he didn't because he know that trunk and goten needed a experience to fight a bad guy and experience to protect the earth and he know that because he will not be there forever so he needed to past the next protector but in dbz goku he will solo it even if it take the world in danger even if he knew the enemy is stronger and not only that he will use that fight to be stronger and master a form *cough* universe tournament arc *cough*

5:12 I laughed my ass off with the serious music

4:39 they try so hard to make threatening enemies that it makes the actual characters look like jokes

I'm not a big fan of Menza's score but this suspenseful theme at 1:02 is pretty good.

Incredible video and speaking nothing but facts I really don't like what the Super anime has done to vegeta goku and all of the other Z-fighters.

Ssj4 >>>> Ultra Instinct

that pink kai sounds like Ignignokt from ATHF lmao

The thing Super could have done was to give Vegeta some of the maturity of GT Vegeta. He would have still hated the idea of fusing but he could have been more, "I hate to admit it, but...you're right..." instead of that spoiled brat bit. Super dropped the ball. When there are multiple parts of GT that make Super look ridiculous when GT is the black sheep, you know you screwed up bad. I'm not bashing GT because I do prefer it over Super but GT has its hated parts for a reason by the fanbase.

"Super is such a childish show" GT meanwhile: **Para Para Brothers intensifies**

God that part in the tournament pissed me off when he waited to the last minute to transform…. He could’ve easily went normal super saiyan to get that guy off him. Can we start a petition to reboot dragonball super?

Is not only the characters personalities but also the transformations. SSJ4 is superior to SSJ Blue. Blue is just some ki, while SSJB is an entire body transformation where Goku becomes a 8-9 foot tall, his skin becomes so resistant that can endure the heat of the surface of the sun, as well he becomes more aggressive, serious and seems that his IQ increases as well.

Gt characters don't fall for dumb things like super characters. I believe GT is better than Super because of the art, animation, storyline,and seriousness.

Thank You! GT was better, in my opinion, because the characters acted like themselves. Super doesn't feel like Dragon Ball.

Can't help it but 4:11 hit me. People really gotta stop hating GT

I love both equally

Goku from dbs I'll admit has his MAJOR faults like going all the way back to being a kid from the first dragon ball series but Vegeta I feel like has probably seen the most of his development FROM Z carried onto super, he isn't as arrogant he isn't as self centered and he is shown to care or atleast is showing more that he cares about people, the Manga I feel handles a lot of things better and I it feels better then the anime ngl

Is Goku not allowed to use instant transmission in the Tournament? There seemed like there was thousands of different ways Goku could have gotten out of that.

Tbh idc about it, I like goku that he's badass and confident at the time. I love both ways.

This channel is Goated. So much respect bro 😂 can’t wait to see all the Super fanboys coping in the comments

The thing is Akira toriyama hated the way the west made Goku. He wanted the stupid battle hungry version. But the west voiced him to be a hero. I hate to say it but for once I liked it when they changed what the creator wanted. I like mature fights for freedom Goku then stupid I want only strong fighters Goku from Super. Hence why I love GT. Also Cannon don't mean jack seeing as Super anime and Manga have a few major differences as well. Therefore making the anime none-cannon for all the so called purest. GT will always hold a special place in my heart.

I never noticed they fucked up vegeta's eye color in that gt scene

5:49 maybe goku anticipated that he would try smth like that so he waited to be pbrought to the edge to get a really easy knock out and to conserve energy

BRO I ALWAYS SAID THAT GT IS THE BEST TYSM FOR MORE PROOF

They are not better then Manga G&V...Manga versions are FIRE right now

dragonball ended on GT.. super sucks

What if I were to say if goku transformed to UI and MUI he was more mature and smarter than he was when he is more serious while fighting jiren?

The reasoning behind them being different is because GT Goku and Vegeta or years older than super Goku and Vegeta add super they're in their mid-forties where in GT they are in their mid-to-late fifties

Gt is more logic and less power I prefer dragon ball z but I respect your opinion differences makes us special