I agree & I am a Beaver fan. I do wish you were wrong, but you're not.

Exactly right.

I third that

That's a bingo

Unfortunately there’s a better chance that both the Big 12 and the ACC will lose their power status by 2027!

Thx Terry! Hypo’s are fun.

sdsu, fsu,, unlv ,smu cal and stanford, other teams markets are too small

Memphis and Tulane are right on the Mississippi River, not that far East at all.

I agree. Especially with adding UTSA. What about SMU?

​@@robert5755not for long. Growing fast.

Clear #3? Lol lol Sir you spelled ACC wrong. ACC rakes in thr 3rd most media money. ACC also gets 17% CFP money, the B12 gets 14%. I'm not mathematician but 17 is greater than 14. But I digress

@@shallojalloh The ACC will be < B12 after they lose FSU & Clemson.

Unless the new PAC12 can get a media deal equal to the B12, none of those teams will leave. Not to mention CFP money as well.

@jeh58 | getting CFP money equal to tht B12 is rather easy. They get the lowest amount. If the pac teams + BYU were to reconstitute today, they will get that. The top b12 teams currently are the old pac teams. Utah, CU + Arizona.

@shallojalloh When FSU, Clemson and others leave, which will happen, the B12 will be the 3rd conference. You might want to start accepting this reality sooner rather than later. The PAC is a relevant cautionary tale for the ACC. You survive if you accept reality and act accordingly. Let FSU & Clemson go now, add OSU & WSU, & try to keep your current pay out and teams. This is your best possible outcome at this point. If you deny this reality, you will lose more teams, more money, and relevance as a whole. 😉.

Basically only pull from G5 or add FCS. That Could be interesting. Thx.

@@TheBigMountainPodcast can you talk about possibly scenario where ESPN walked away from the ACC contract. How does that affect expansion and realignment?

The Montana schools and North Dakota State and South Dakota State are the better FCS schools that are better than a lot of G5 schools and could compete against the power schools. Outside of those 4? Yeah, the FCS schools are hard no for right now unless they are the four I mentioned or the likes of JMU, Jacksonville State or Appalachian State.

UTAH won't unless the media & CFP money are there.

Yes. Good pick up.

Solid list. Thx for the comment.

This is reasonable and logical. Unlike this whole show, you should start a podcast.

This would be good but Stan and Cal are out. They will go independent rather than align themselves with schools they deem inferior which to them is everyone.

You basically rebuilt the ACC, not rebuilt the PAC. But good thoughts.

I can see Cal and Stanford returning if ACC implodes. Helping them return would be adding SMU and San Diego State, Fresno State. Then, in a Mountain division, SMU, CSU, AF, UTAH, UNLV, BOISE STATE ( not one BOISE fan, or alumni, or the AD would want to be left in the MWC ) If there were any thoughts to improve the basketball strength of this conference, they could also add, not a BYU who UTAH hates, but Utah State, and Gonzaga. Outside of SMU, the whole conference works with regional approximation and future rivalries! TCU used to be in the MWC. However, I believe Stanford and Cal were pulling for SMU and Tulane before the PAC implosion.

@@TheBigMountainPodcastbecause the ACC will have more valuable teams remaining and be able to maintain Autonomy status and ACC has media coverage the PAC does not. Also Boise State and Fresno State are inferior. What will happen if 6 or more schools leave the ACC, the ACC will add the three service academies for all sports, add WazzU, OzzU, San Diego State, and Wyoming out West and back East add Memphis, Texas State, Tulane, USF, CCU, App State, & JMU. Resulting in ACC East Division 1. BC 2. Syracuse 3. Pitt 4. Army 5. Navy 6. JMU 7. App State 8. Duke 9. Wake Forest 10. Coastal Carolina 11. Georgia Tech 12. USF ACC West Division 1. Louisville 2. Memphis 3. Tulane 4. Texas State 5. SMU 6. Air Force 7. Wyoming 8. San Diego State 9. Stanford 10. Cal 11. OzzU 12. WazzU Now could the ACC West Division break off and become the PAC years down the road? It is possible. If that happens, then certain schools in AAC and SBC and CUSA and MAC who would make more sense to add if not for the need to address the issue with Stanford and Cal and SMU would be added eventually for a more regional ACC. And could see four teams of the West Division move over to the East as part of the new ACC. The ACC West Division breaks off and becomes the recreation of the PAC, then it could focus on AAC, CUSA, and MWC schools that would meet the recreated academic standards and requirements that Stanford and Cal and five others would definitely need and require to be included in a conference with them. That means schools like Fresno State and Boise State will not be included. In fact the best way and only way the PAC gets rebuilt is this way realistically. So in this scenario I would think Louisville, Memphis, Tulane, and SMU would depart from ACC West division and join the East division to make up the new ACC. The remaining ACC West division schools coalesce to form the new PAC and include in the new PAC the following schools: PAC Mountain 1. Wyoming 2. Colorado State 3. Air Force 4. UNT 5. Texas State 6. UTEP 7. New Mexico 8. New Mexico State 9. Utah State PAC Pacific 1. WazzU 2. OzzU 3. Cal 4. Stanford 5. U.C. Davis 6. San Diego State 7. Hawaii 8. Nevada 9. UNLV From this chaos comes the new AAC which will literally be the best of the rest best of the Non Autonomy teams almost and will look like the following. AAC Atlantic/Central 1. Temple 2. Miami-Ohio 3. Buffalo 4. Toledo 5. Liberty 6. Marshall 7. ODU 8. Georgia Southern 9. Georgia State 10. East Carolina 11. FAU 12. FIU AAC Gulf/Pacific 1. Troy 2. South Alabama 3. Southern Miss 4. La Tech 5. Sam Houston State 6. UTSA 7. Rice 8. Tulsa 9. UAB 10. Boise State 11. San Jose State 12. Fresno State Heck while I am at it, here is the new MAC and notice the SBC, CUSA, and MWC no longer exist in this scenario as I lay this out. So the new MAC and will just number them and not create divisions as there are about three different ways one could create divisions. New MAC 1. UMASS 2. New Hampshire 3. Vermont 4. Delaware 5. Ohio 6. Akron 7. Kent 8. Ball State 9. SIU 10. NIU 11. EMU 12. WMU 13. CMU 14. WKU 15. MTSU 16. Missouri State 17. Ark State 18. Charlotte 19. Kennesaw State 20. Jax State 21. ULL 22. ULM 23. ACU 24. SFA

Thx. Appreciate the comment. Lots of SMU comments. Probably our biggest miss.

Great detail! And we largely agree with all of it. Thx Lonny!

@@TheBigMountainPodcast does Fox want Stanford in the Big Ten

There will be a new Pac. OSU and WSU have a chance to build the premier G5 (now G6) conference, with the inside track to the last CFP auto bid, and a better TV deal than the G5 conferences have now.

You realize this was just for fun, right?

@@TheBigMountainPodcast can you talk about the idea of the Big Ten Conference going into Texas.

No teams in Texas that academically qualify for Big 10 membership.

All the visiting team fans would go to the games though.

Solid take! Thx for the comment.

It’s possible. But they chose to go to a conference that could be the next PAC.

OSU and Wazzu can't take anything less than a full share of they join the ACC. They can't take what Cal, Stanford, or SMU took. Not worth it.

Joining a revamped ACC could be more lucrative and easier, but that missed the entire point of this episode. This wasn’t a “where will the Beavs and Cougs end up” discussion, it was a hypothetical on rebuilding a pac. Those are two totally different questions.

@@TheBigMountainPodcast what about SMU

Good choices. Here is what I would propose for a new 16-team Pac-X: Washington State, Oregon State (foundation) Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, UTSA, Tulane, New Mexico State, Memphis (recent football success) UNLV, San Diego State, Colorado State, San Jose State, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana (bigger TV markets) And if you want to get to 20 teams and go national: Liberty, James Madison, Appalachian State, and Coastal Carolina.

If Cal and Stanford do not come back then you should add SJSU. They are in a huge media market and were second only to Boise in the MW for TV viewers per game.

Thx for the comment. We tried to do this without a full ACC collapse. But that is certainly a scenario.

It’s unlikely. But never say never!

A new PAC wouldn’t make nearly as much as the current Big 12 does or likely any future media deals they can obtain. Without, USC and Oregon there’s no draw for a rebuild PAC.

*rebuilt

While this may be the case, it’s fun to think about hypotheticals.

Merging with the MWC is financial suicide. The MWC TV deal is 5M a year. A rebuilt Pac with the top G5 programs could earn 2 or 3 times as much, plus get more football playoff appearances and basketball tournament money.

No teams leaving the Big 12 for a renamed MWC.

Wanna bet? Money talks... Utah still isn't solid in the Big 12. It's not unrealistic, and it's disgruntled opinion of sharing space with byu. Ask Houston, Kansas state, Iowa State on their NIL annual dues....

Pulling any B12 team would be difficult or impossible. Your last sentence is unreadable to us. 😉

You primarily got 2 main sports channels, ESPN & Fox Sports. ESPN-Choose SEC & Fox took the Big 10. Big 12 should go all in with CBS & do a Thursday evening game with NFL, just like Fox is doing with Big 10 Friday coming later this year in 2024.

Yeah, the Big12 outmaneuvered the Pac, first by adding top G5 and independent programs with real fan bases in BYU, UCF, and Cincinnati, and a big TV market in Houston, and then by signing a TV deal first.

Thx for this well articulated list. Very strong!

Great thoughts. Thx!

@@TheBigMountainPodcast I don’t think that Big Ten will add Stanford and California to the conference. Remember that Fox determined which schools go to the conference. I don’t see any Fox execs getting on board with Stanford and California.

@@tylernelson3343 we will look to address this Q and a few others Wednesday on our Live Ep. We appreciate your questions and thoughts!

Cal and Stanford might come back to the PAC 12 if the ACC suffers from heavy depletion.

They would loose the PAC12 assets if they did that, and that is too much $$$ to give up.

Boise State and Fresno State are better than half the ACC right now. They used to regularly beat Pac12 teams.

SJSU is not near the bottom of the MW in football. They tied Boise and UNLV last year for the best conference record. They also have gone to 3 straight bowl games and won a MWC championship in the last 4 years

@tonymartin3818 Like I said, they have been capable of doing that as at least a occasional outlier. The question is can they sustain that beyond about 2,3,4,5 or less occasional outlier seasons, as historically, and in recent history(except very extremely recent history, as you pointed out), except for the occasional outlier, SJSU has semi at, near the bottom of the MWC conference in both football, basketball, and have not made waves, made a name for themselves in the conference, except their reputation for being one of the bottom of the conference teams. Now if SJSU can sustain the very recent outlier success, and have near bottom of conference finishes be the outlier, instead of the norm, THEN one can rightly say that SJSU is not a bottom of MWC program. But despite SJSU being a bottom of MWC program, until, unless they prove otherwise, SJSU still would be a semi good, ok, decent replacement for SDSU, Fresno State, because of SJSU's TV market, recruiting territory, and their potential to turn it around with SUSTAINED better coaching, better recruiting, etc.

AZ and AZST are interesting. We didn’t include them, as you heard, but they would be huge adds if attainable.

The Pac will definitely be rebuilt, the money will dictate it. I agree that no one will leave the ACC or Big12. But all the top G5 teams will be lining up to get in to a new mid-tier conference. It will have the inside track on the last CFP auto bid each year, and a better TV deal than the MWC or AAC right now.

Wow - east is WAY east! But we like your ideas! Thx for the comment.

Cal may have to if the ACC implodes. CAL can't afford to be snobby unless they drop football, they are too far in debt. Stanford has the money to go independent.

@@jeh58 Cal is going to survive on UCLAs bread crumbs. Gov Gruesome saw to that.