Thank u for clearing this up, as alot of artist from backnin the day are being singled out just because they don't have the same rating as the newer artists. So again thanks for your educational videos, and keep producing this high quality content

This is a great educational video

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Mariah Carey has a fine voice, immensely popular with record sales. But truth is, she did not change the course of music nor establish a new genre or style, but was only one among many others. If she’d never had a music career, it would all be the same. She is not a “legend.” That word, like “genius” is tossed around inaccurately, quite a lot in contemporary culture. Only a very few musical performers truly influenced music to a deeper, incontrovertible degree, who actually changed the course; whose careers are long gone, and more deserving of the descriptive “legend.” In the 50’s: Chuck Berry-architect of guitar rock; Little Richard-progenitor of piano based rock; Elvis-blending R&B with country/rockabilly and introducing white folk to more rooted music, stand out from others. In the early 60’s, rock and roll was stagnating, but then came The Beatles-transforming songwriting-performing-producing, markedly affecting style and culture globally. Many think Bob Dylan qualifies-bringing electrified folk and a new genre of lyrically deep songs to the scene. And certainly Jimi Hendrix influenced rock with other-worldly psychedelic guitar effects, a unique stage presence. in the 80’s Michael Jackson (w/ Quincy Jones) re-vitalized dance-oriented, Motown Pop and soul more than any other. Many very talented people, equally great performers, but who didn’t actually change music or have the type of impact-are often cited, But if these performers had not existed-very little would be different, and in a historical perspective, wouldn’t be missed. These artists are outstanding, but are not truly “legends” like the short list above.

@@commanderthorkilj.amundsen3426 what do you mean? The collaboration between rappers and pop artists is common today because Mariah was the first woman to debut at #1 and she set the trend of doing these collaborations so that makes her a LEGEND

she is indeed

Period!

Watch Morissette Amon.. she's the best.. never enough and secret love..

@@hernandoling317 : How did she becomes BEST 🤔🤔🤔 Did she sales million copies of records all over the world just like those artist mentioned here in this clip 😎😎😎 🤣😃😂💪💪💪

Does ANYBODY disagree with that statement?

@@bigolebot Of course you would be the one to leave a snotty comment. Since according to you, you can’t be a legend if you made music after the 80s 🙄 Which is pretty laughable especially since that’s when Mariah started recording her first album…

@@bigolebot it was RECORDED in the 80s, released in 1990

@@bigolebot she had been writing and producing demos for other artists in the 80s, and came to Sony in 88 with the demos that would become her debut album in 88. Moreover, her debut album being released 1990 does nothing to negate her legendary status.

@@bigolebot trust me, we’re not using your ludicrous and (antiquated) standards as an indicator of legendary status. All I’m saying is that I thought you would be fond of the work on her first album at least…

@@bigolebot It was recorded in 1988-1989

Exactly. They hate the fact that she has talent, artistry, AND success

It simply goes….Aretha….Mariah. That is the order. 🙌🏾 Songwriters only!

@@yallgonlearntoday delusional

@@yallgonlearntoday Nah, Aretha is in a class by herself. But Mariah Carey is AMAZING! Best pop vocal-songwriting-producing diva ever imo.

@@bigolebot you are obsessed at this point how old are you ?!? You commented throughout the entire comment section talking about Mariah like dude you need professional help go get it cuz this is crazy

Michael Jackson was an absolute blessing to the Black community..

Lol, MJ was so obsessed with record sales that he constantly lied about how much Thriller had sold and wouldn't show up anywhere unless they made up an award to give him 😂

I don’t know why you replied to a year old reply trying to bash Mj for something that had nothing to do with the original reply. Whether or not Mj “lied” about his sales that doesn’t change the fact that he helped multiple black artists get rightfully certified.

@@randomviewer7133is replying to a month old comment better? The topic is sales and legacy. Michael pressured his label to inflate his figures to the point where the federal govt threatened Sony with hearings on the practice and mtv by threatening to withhold his videos if he weren’t titled King of Pop… which he did invent despite the bs liz Taylor story. He was also furious that Madonna was voted Artist of the Decade in 1990 and demanded an award be created at the very last minute…. A dumb thing called the Video Vanguard Artist of the Decade😂😂😂😂 He was obsessed with these things. Thriller did not sell 30 mil copies . It sold 17.5…. An amazing feat and likely still the best seller, as Michael was far from being the only one to lie about sales

@@gaylefranklin the topic of the video might be sales and legacy, but the comment you replied to was about Michael helping black artists out. Then you preceded to reply talking about him “inflating his sales” or “making up awards” which has nothing to do with the COMMENT you replied to.

That’s who came to my mind. The black artist because they were NOT doing this to white artist who stole from black artist.

Exactly

🙏🏿 🙏🏿 🙏🏿

Including by Motown.

@@TheSeeking2know Delusion.

Twitter wasnt around back then when Mariah Carey still dominate the world on the charts. Mariah is Artist of The Decade according to Billboard. She is still ruled got 19th #1 hits and still dominate 4 decades along with All I Want For Christmas is You from 2019-2022.

They are trash and should delete it from Twitter about Mariah Carey. They are animals. SHE IS A LEGEND OF THE 90s. She is a Icon She is wrote all her own songs. She is been doing this for 32 years and Tommy Mottola help launch her career but he almost sabotage her after she left him. She is did well on her own after she release her album Butterfly. It will be 25 years ago. She deserves credit after all her hard work she done in 32 years. She got inducted Songwriters Hall of Fame she got nominated for Rock n Roll Hall of Fame years ago. Maybe haters should go to school and learn about Mariah Carey so they can hush with their comments.

***CORRECTION*** @Adam El Sayed Mariah Carey has one more thing to prove, a 20th #1 hit to tie the Beatle. Hopefully before the last one dies so he can see his record matched by an American Female. Just like Mariah had to graciously watch her deserved record of 16 weeks at #1 get stolen by some goofy gay cowboy and a Mexican raegaeton one hit wonder. Everything else I agree 100%

She’s in the thumbnail and I for one clicked cause of her 😅

@@bigolebot Whitney houston had clive davis and so as each and every artists that makes music. Out of all those MEGA STARS in the 80s/90s MARIAH’s MUSIC is waaaaay more streamed and viewed in 2022 so how can y’all question her success? And y’all using tommy doesn’t even make sense like and so? Lmao

I don’t think that’s a good argument. You can say that about everything. People that drive cars don’t know the effort it took to get somewhere because people in the past had to walk everywhere. So what!? That’s how life goes. Everything changes and everything is becoming more convenient.

@@Marco_Fabian37 BFY respectively 👉

@@Marco_Fabian37 it's a great argument because it shows how stupid it is to compare the two. When you don't even have to get outta bed to buy an album, album sales say nothing.

@@CakeAhh-eg2qb I don’t know money still have significant meaning when you choose to spent it on an album.

@@Marco_Fabian37but almost nobody is spending money on albums they buy subscription services but not individual artists albums. When people would buy albums in the past yes that meant support but now they don't do that

yeah, dionne was MASSIVELY successful

Also in 60s, only Barbra Streisand and Dionne were big female sellers.

And to think Ms. Dionne was the first of her female co-artists to get the most lucrative record deal speak about how big she was during their time.

K..! Oh hey hi Dionne 👋😊how goes it

Super overrated the people in the 60s were worse

As they should🤫

LEGENDS!

We won’t find that out until Berry Gordy passes…

Westley.the supremes were giants and there true sales have never been given.if the true facts were in place the supremes sales would.be unbelievably huge.the greatest female group in history. The blueprint for everyone

@Z-List MLE you are deluded

Capitalism is parasitic indeed!

The best music is underground

@@bemusedobserver6476 lol

I was thinking the same thing. They always seemed to get confused when trying to Mariah Janet or Madonna as the top selling female. In the black music and country music world, it doesn’t matter as much lol. It’s your legacy. The numbers can always be changed!

@@truthhurts79 while true. Pop music doesn't need to be bad as there's are a lot of Good pop. This is like studio execs for kids movies thinking they can cop out on a plot in favor of fun.

They are animals are Twitter

Yes. Stan Twitter is extremely toxic and disgusting.

@@diamondstarr739 U said it.

glad i got off that app

@Day That's insane. I think a lot of people don't know how to talk about the value of things without talking about capitalist touch stones like plays, money, cars. But the fact is the music, and maybe the story attached to making it, is enough.

@@rbmaia5 It's in waves. In the beginning, you had more of that, now many people are hyperfocused on extreme celebrity or legends (hence the numbers obsession). If you notice most people making videos feel the pressure to make videos about extremely well-known people. There's even a series called "unsung" yet none of the people are "unsung". It wasn't always like that on KZfaq or the internet. This makes it difficult on the universe of other talent that would benefit from our natural desire to be entertained and observe talent. We need to make it about the talent.

@@rbmaia5 u cant compare Abdul to Madonna!! Madonna has written, produced & sang her own music & been working in the industry for over 40yrs, she is an artist who's blazed a trail for female artists whos legacy they like to borrow from perpetually. shes not the the best singer, but she is a powerhouse of a performer.

This KZfaq Channel is such a blessing. I love this channel so much. 😭

@Day It’s not teens. It’s mostly grown teen adults. Trust. The Twitter voice rooms expose it.

MJ was longevity

@@AC-mp7cx and contribution, MJ has both.

@@zyoteesunuwar4825 he has everything tbh

Me 2

If I am understanding him right it like they're getting cheated

Okay peep this out if those artist sells their product if you buy albums cd or lps $10 per album sold a million copies like 20 million worldwide

@@odumosuolusegun2781 Billboard is an American chart company…

Also take into consideration, the world population has doubled since the early 1970s. Back in the day to get a top-ten hit you literally had to sell millions.

👑

On top of being an innovator for most sounds, image and personality dating to today *

eggsactly

Very interesting... The best selling one is rolling in the deep? :) It's weird it's not certified diamond with 10 millions sales... I think lady gaga has 4 of these 10 millions selling singles followed by Adele and Katy Perry, Rihanna, Swift each having 1 to 3 of these.... But I'm not sure any of them have a diamond single certification at the end of the day...

@@flazeda8743 both Rihanna and adele had no certified diamond singles even though both of them has multiple singles selling over 10 million

@@takemyhand1988 Labels being lazy and not counting it all I guess... And cheap too since it cost them money to do so.

Did they sell 10 million domestically or internationally? I think would make all the difference. If in the US RIAA is responsible, outside other countries have their own music certification systems.

im saying!!

And again this old guy is here denying everything based on his own musical taste lol. Get a grip, man

@@bigolebot nah you're talking abt hate.

I was with you until you mentioned Brandy. Stop sniffing glue.

Brandy????

@@Justaskkjamesbrandy is a phenomenal singer

Drake never had a Billboard #1 single on the main Hot 100 chart UNTIL streaming became thee dominant way that folks consumed music. Ariana Grande is another one whose career soared to new heights, with the #1 singles stacking up once streaming era took a strong hold of the music industry And these examples just goes to show how certain artists only begin to thrive at superstar, global level once the system gets rigged.

people don't buy music anymore, paying to get playlisting on spotify is just normal rn and the algortim pushing the same "artists" every time, sadly there is nothing we can do

@@Garcelle1987 Yep because let’s be real had stuff like Spotify, Apple Music, and other streaming platforms didn’t exist not one single person would go to by there albums. 🤷🏽‍♀️

The video originally included some of Mariah’s work but he had to take it down bc of copyright.

@@bigolebot How old are you? U are stupid so have several seats. Tommy help launch her career and she wrote all her own songs and got inducted to Songwriters Hall of Fame, and she score #1 hits and dominate the charts. U are a pig should go hush your ugly comments somewhere .Mariah is still on top of the world.SO U SHOULD GET A JOB.

@@lilyofthevalley9853 Aww Dang OK

@@bigolebot So where are the bases of your information or just a blah-blah comment again? You'd spent lots of time on discrediting MC instead of doing good things. Such a hard-working hater ;) Go get a nice job, darling.

@@bigolebot so, u mean anyone who says "darling" is copying her? It's a common word, darling. Lol with this guy :))))))

Oh look! An MJ Stan being weird and wrong. Who'd have thought? 😱

MARIAH CAREY’s success and dominance is making J crash and some haters lose their minds. They’re desperate to make her look something they wanted her to be lmao

@@bigolebot haha You and your faves are dusts to Mariah's greatness.. 😆

@@bigolebot nah u just mad coz a woman is more successful than ur jobless ass

mj the goat

I lived in the 90’s that didn’t happen. Mariah also closely associated with payola

@@bigolebot you're a Mariah hater, your point is invalid... Get off

I'm pretty sure Michael sold 1 billion(if you include his work with the Jackson 5)

@@calebj8134 prolly around 700 million since they sold in between 50 -100 million. If you update MJ's certifcation he would have sold a maximum of 800 million (combine sps and recertification) same goes to Madonna who would prolly sold 400-500 million records if you update everything (based from the current sps of madonna in Spotify and KZfaq alone)

Thank you for this important information. I was not aware of this, as I'm sure, most aren't. This change of rules is extremely manipulative and deceptive! How on earth can anyone say "Baby" and "Super Bass" is 8-12x PLATINUM!?! And Bad Romance is a great song, but it is not THAT great...Wow...

Whitney Houston’s debut is eligible to be recertified 15x diamond.

PREACH!

Even if they think Dionne didn't directly influence a lot of people, just by influencing Whitney she influenced a lot of girls indirectly

@@takemyhand1988 Actually, Ms. Warwick influenced so many icons and legends, too. Aside from her cousin, the late Whitney. Luther Vandross, the Bee Gees, Philip Bailey of Earth, Wind and Fire, Barry Manilow, Russell Thompkins Jr. (the lead of Stylistics), Angela Bofill, Melissa Manchester, Olivia Newton-John and even her 60s fellow Dusty Springfield cited her as their idol and influence. And many more. To think, she was looked up by these greats only speaks about her legacy. And, I hate that only a few knew and acknowledge that!

@@oldsoul_anth243 i know. She's probably my favourite female artist from 60s beside Barbra. Dionne was the it girl. I seriously don't know how her name fall through the cracks now. She's not talked about enough.

And Dionne is one of the 10 richest singers in the world and one of the few of her generation who kept a fortune. Something that Aretha did not know how to maintain. Also, in current artists like Beyoncé or Rihanna I also see Dionne's influence. Dionne's repertoire is incredible and if you look closely she is one of the few artists to have a hit on Billboard in the 60's, 70's and 80's. I love his song Heartbreaker.

Yup!

Who cares what there impact is you can listen to the song now and hear whether it's good or not if you have an ear for music!

Yes, the racism and capitalism towards black artist is DISGUSTING! How did they corrupt DJs? Do you know how?

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 One said they were offered drugs, vacations, even "prostitutes" according to my friend who is a woman. But both receptionists at each station said they were given money regularly. I met VESTA at one on a promotional tour for her 4U album. I was near the station and I had my radio on. DJ said listeners can come get a signed picture of VESTA. I had her first cassette with ONCE BITTEN TWICE SHY on it in my car. I walk in the lobby to my friend who told me the stories of corruption. After speaking she asked why was I there (I was the first to get there after DJ said to stop by). With my VESTA cassette, I said I wanted to see if VESTA would sign my cassette. A man setting in the lobby was her manager. He stood and asked "Don't you have the new one?" I said no. He pulls out a giant wad, hands me a 20 and says "Go get her new one, bring it back, let her sign that." I rushed to the nearest record store across the street, they had JUST GOT IT IN, still in shipment box, not even programed in cash register yet. I purchased their first one. When I got back to radio station, VESTA was in back seat of limousine with a line of about 14 people getting signed pictures. As I walked up, her manager pointed at me. Then VESTA motioned with her finger to come here! The line of people made her have to keep turning to sign pictures. So she handed me her stack of pictures to hold in front like a tiny desk so she could sign them. I was the last one. She signed a picture, and my 2 cassettes for me, then they drove away. It was an absolute JOY meeting VESTA!!!! I was already a fan. When she passed, it just broke my heart. When I listen to her hit SWEET LOVE on 4U, it always reminds me of that day, sometimes with tears. I can attest how wonderful she was with everyone in line and me! Just as sweet as can be! But yes, her manager had a GIANT WAD, and I was just a fan. So I can imagine what he may have given to DJs.

Yep, it's called Payola. Still goes on today.

And how did she change r&b?

How did she change or even impact r&b?

Wait huh? As a lamb, how’d she change R&B? You mixing up her popularization of singers collabing w/ rappers

@@nvvvrthrre Exactly, but she didn’t popularize singers with rappers either. That was done way before her too.

@@The_Truth- they like lying😂

Agreed

Mariah couldn’t sing live, her name should never be put next to whitney.

@@Lucy-iy9niwhat, she can sing live

@@debutriah2854 She can sing live, just not on the level as Whitney.

Right

Its just music industry standard when a artist sold their records and the label put their budget on a revenue cost

The first tweet in the video calling Dionne a fossil was so out of pocket 😭😭😭

Actually emancipation sold 3,500,000 copies WW So it went 3x platinum and 1x gold But the fact you have to pay to update your record sales is wrong the fact that so many black artists have actually sold millions of records and their certifications wont be updated is wrong too. I knew something was wrong when I saw a little Richard interview where he said he would get paid 2mill dollars per hour to perform . 2mill back then would probably be equal to 20 mill

@@jhonram2496 Each country has their own system of gold/platinum designations based on the sales within those countries. A platinum album in Canada, for instance, marks 80K sold. Perhaps Emancipation did sell 3 million worldwide, but only a fraction of that total amount were sold in the U.S., as measured by the ‘Recording Industry Association of America.’

@@Sttephy30 She's an icon but she might never be a legend in music because she doesn't have any great talent like vocals, songwriting or at least being a great performer. She's mediocre as an artist. She just have hits. She has more influence in fashion and makeup than she ever has in the music industry. Her wealth is irrelevant.

And if you notice it’s mostly black artists.

And they weren’t even singing, but I’m still a fan 🤷🏾‍♂️

One thing is a shitty song and another is a playback. Milli Vanilli's song was good, the problem was that they weren't the ones singing. It has nothing to do with the pov of the video.

@@11rokerito not saying they were bad. I like their music. I was just saying they sold a lot of records but they aren’t considered legends for the reasons you stated. I also posted this before watching the video so that’s my bad. I thought the video was going to go in a different direction.

Lies

@@thabigcohuna - were not told

@@RegisRodriguez they had the blueprint years before Mariah came out

@@thabigcohuna how you going to tell the artists what blueprint they followed. All the artists mentioned have specifically said Mariah had the most influence on them. Boy stf up 💀

@@RegisRodriguez they all actually said that about Whitney as well

Yeah Twitter aint around when the legends are still dominate in the 60s thru the 2000's

It's not Mariah fans who use that. It's more Whitney fans

And the Madonna stans tend to shove her record sales in our faces

@@takemyhand1988 It’s definitely more Mariah stans who utilise that.

@@PatchesNjose i mean mariah fans rarely ever discredit Aretha or Patti or her predecessors. Whitney fans are the ones who always discredit her predecessors.

@@takemyhand1988 Don't do that! Whitney fans are SECURE fans. Unlike Mariah fans we don't have to FLAT OUT Lie and exaggerate to uplift our Fave whilst tearing down everyone else. Stop with the hypocrisy mate.

I have literally never seen an Beyhive bring up record sales- they usually talk about performance, vocals, and videos. Record sales are usually brought up with Adele fans

Beyoncé and "beyhive" never bring sales as an argument for the only good reason that Beyoncé has actual talent and you can see that when she is on a stage. She is one of if not the greatest female performer ever so yes she doesnt need sales to prove herself. And go on the RIAA site and see how "crazy in love" is still gold certified when its probably already Diamond in real because Beyoncé never update those sales

you are deluded. we talk about talent while you delusional rodents talk about number 1s and records sold meanwhile your fave cant sing or perform

@@bigolebot yes, she is...animal

@@bigolebot yes she is

I don’t know her.

That’s because Mariah is not perceived as “black” in the same way that a Whitney Houston or a Mary J is because she isn’t. She’s a white appearing biracial. These people would not go up for her if she looked like Lauryn Hill.

@@PatchesNjose perfect comment! 👏

Mariah is black?

@@calebj8134 she's of African and Irish descent.

@@PatchesNjose you're probably right.