What happened to the ILoveArethaFranklin channel? She did this same video? But thanks for uploading this since that’s not there anymore.

Just wait on me , cause I’m coming and when I do …You’ll be pleased 💕

Is this a re-upload?

Yo my manz I just telling my Dawgs that 4 a while there is no more one mic enter's they all have to have distractions or something else going on too take away from the creative 💯

MARIAH CAREY AMY WINEHOUSE DEMI LOVATO WILLIE JONES AND FRANK SINATRA WERE EXAMPLES OF GREAT SINGERS

There are singers like this that do have those hours today. But half of them are not working all the way around training in many areas. Some are looking for the faster way In doing media covers and music competitions to get ahead or for faster recognition and then some are also changing their technique from what they were taught to be more common and new.

Exactly, it’s just that these record labels don’t what to push real singers because that’s not popular right now.

Please give me some names, I need some new artists to listen to 🙏🏿 EDIT: DAMN, ya'll are really coming thru with these recommendations, thank you!!!

smh. People making pointless excuses is why things keep declining. There's way more opportunities now than there was in the past.

@@yaggayaggaya9918 I like watching the Terrell show for that

I hear what you're saying, but once you had your voice chops,the freedom to explore quieter dynamics in your little studio must have been fun,no?

This.

So what are Sade and Prince? Neither have a big voice and are from old skool times

this was an very interesting and intelligent answer, thank you!

Facts live performance is the bread and butter of entertainment.

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You’re not wrong

It’s not about screaming and yelling anymore. It’s about tone

@@notknown6605 all the girls had tone back then. thing is, tone is not the only thing they had unlike most "talents" today

yup

i highly agree , in my opinion in mainstream you see the same thing but underrated people are overlooked. that’s why when you find a good artist nowadays you gotta dig

Yep, tons of them. Just have to look.

Like Chloe and Halle

Yeah. What a shame.

Right. I can appreciate the work that went into this video, but I think he made it far too complicated. It should’ve just been “aesthetic and marketability has trumped anything else.” And when people aren’t demanding for better with these pop stars, they won’t get it.

Great point! Rachelle Ferrell is the embodiment of this.

exactly!! whenever im singing with my friends and im about to belt, they make fun of the way my lips move (lmao) but it helps me get each sound out correctly without sounding restricted

very well said

@HEЯOINE what band is that

Strange..never heard Aretha Franklin Patti LaBelle, Whitney Houston or Barbara Streisand say anything about making faces being the reason that they can sing. More like the hours of rehearsal and training being talked about here.

Facts… ya girl at :39 is holding the mic like a rapper and sounds terrible/ like she has Down syndrome.

There are literally so many singers that can belt and fill up a room vocally. Folks just have a small ass view of their actual world.

a lot of singers can do that they just don't particularly enjoy that style. Britney Spears is a great example. Britney has a rich dynamic voice and can belt. People think she was forced into a softer style of singing to be more palatable which literally makes no sense since many of her contemporaries had huge voices, and she got famous for her ability to belt. Britney preferred dancing over over singing and uses singing as an accent to the performance. She chose to change her style as an artistic decision. People basically refuse to accept this and even her fans have all these ridiculous theories about how her real voice is being suppressed. LOL It's just part of the act she came up with. I think she finds standing around belting to be boring.

​@theewildrose 😂😂😂"Britney" and "belt" should not be in the same sentence...unless you're describing those things she puts on and mistakenly calls skirt nowadays.

​@@KaeMaidengo look up childhood videos of her singing and in singing competitions, younger than a teen and she was on par with Auguilera. It's surprising, i know? Can she do it nowadays though? That's a different question

@@KaeMaiden I'm not gonna argue with your ignorance

I totally agree with this. I'd love to see a male version of this video

Raheem Devaughn is being slept on right now

YESSS PLS! Who’s having that conversation?!

Right. People are quick to dump on female musical artists but the status of male artistry ain't no better, especially rap.

Also male groups.

That and they're looking for an entire package. Someone who can sing, dance and be beautiful all at the same time-- and not necessarily in that order. Instead of sing, write and compose.

That's the doing of the good ole label

Nowadays? It's been like that for at least 2 decades

@@blackpalacemusic yea but it’s more apparent now.

and image/looks

flo sound like kids still no hate but their music is not timeless , darlin you cant just put them against Aretha, Patti and all the greats.

FLO def has potential, love them

i love them they are the future of music

Will listen

Love FLO❤

This too👏🏾

I don’t agree. What school music problem did Micheal Jackson have?

@@monalisa9636 I don’t think you read to comprehend OP’s point. Read it again.

SAY IT LOUDER!!!!

Right on!!!!

I agree 100%.

Valid points, although ironic for Mariah to point out the importance of taking care of your voice when she didn’t do that with hers.

@@Rakim8 shes 53, this isnt the butterfly era anymore, she aged girl. she aint gonna sound the same now like she did 20 years ago and she cant control that. like?? some of yall are CHOOSING to be ignorant.

@@remalies8309 The only ignorant one here honey lips, is you. Being 53 means diddly squat, her voice has deteriorated consistently since the late 90’s, which by my calculations put her at around 30-yrs old….well before what should have been her vocal prime. So go on with that bullshit. Compare her to singers well into their 30s and beyond who invested in their voice by taking care of it into their vocal prime and you’ll see your attempts to defend her are fruitless and your argument doesn’t stack up. So scoot.

@@Rakim8 she was born with nodules so preserving her voice is harder than you may think. she's never had them removed

now they make actors of random people from Instagram, tiktok, or from the porn industry (euphoria) or nepobabies 😢

@@adah771 Sorry, the “Nepo Baby” thing ain’t new either, that’s been around since the very beginning of Hollywood as an institution. Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford were the King and Queen of Hollywood in the 20’s, and their son Douglas Fairbanks Jr, (who was briefly married to Joan Crawford), was also a big star. Lon Cheney’s son, Lon Cheney Jr, also inherited most of his father’s plum Horror roles in the 40’s, including The Wolfman, Frankenstein, and Dracula. This one stands as particularly egregious, because while Lon Cheney Sr was a great actor, Lon Cheney Jr is probably THE WORST major motion picture actor I’ve ever seen. As for the social media invasion of “stardom,” it’s important to remember that people felt the same way about the first generation of television stars. Their accessibility, the fact they appeared physically in your home, made them seem mundane and un-special compared to The Movie Star, who was elusive, whom you had to travel and pay a premium to experience. Again, I think the ultimate difference is the level of institutional support received by performers. There’s really nothing that distinguishes the pre-stardom experiences of people like Joan Crawford, (who made her living winning dance contests around Hollywood before breaking into movies), or even later Actresses/Sex Symbols like Raquel Welch or Sharon Tate, who broke in from the modelling world during the Magazine Era. Those later stars suffered because they did not have the institutional protections afforded to earlier generations of stars. No press apparatus to push studio-approved narrative fluff pieces, or keep bad stories out of print. No special projects designed to display particular skills or character traits. No sense of investment on part of the studio at all - when the Studio System collapsed at the end of the 60’s, performers were all made freelancers and basically became interchangeable cogs. That’s what led to the New Hollywood era of Directors as Stars, and led to the American auteur boom that gave us figures like Scorsese, Spielberg, De Palma, Malick, Bogdonavich, Lucas, and more. Anyway. If anyone is interested, I’d highly recommend Be Kind Rewind on KZfaq, and Karina Longworth’s podcast You Must Remember This, for more on the history of the entertainment industry, and especially the evolution of the way performers were treated.

There are not as many great singers at all. Even opera singers nowadays are terrible. Most academic singing has become so disconnected from it's tradition it has become unbesrble. Don't get me started in modern jazz singers, they are provably the worst, worse than modern pop singers for sure.

Facts! I have some students in their teens that can belt out like Jennifer Holliday but would be considered “fat & ugly” by todays singer standards (words of the students themselves but I tell them every day how beautiful they are!) Back in the day, you may have not been as popular by aesthetics but you’d still get a record deal. Those particular students did grow up in the church, too.

@@ktnixon81 exactly! I’ve been told my entire professional career “you’re a fantastic singer! You’re just not ‘marketable’ for todays industry”. So tired of that…

@@AdaVox Well I just listened to your Bohemian Rapsody cover and you sound wonderful! I love your look, too. You’ve got a new subscriber right here! ❤️

@@ktnixon81 thanks so much, Kimmy ✨✨✨ Feel free to look up my performances on “queen of the Universe” as well! ♥️♥️

They are in schools it’s just typically extracurricular

Let's put the concepts of focus, patience, diligence, respect and hard work back into our personal lives which translates into the homes, communities and cultures of everybody, young and old to create not only performers but an educated and supportive audience. It's a multi-leveled phenomenon in which everybody has responsibility... and you can't expect someone else to do it for you. We don't need a hand out. We have hands. We just need the spirit to use them.

@@rembeadgc My tax dollars pay for public education. As a tax payer, I have the right to expect that the public education provided is of the quality and nature that best serves the children in my community. If art and music education provides kids with valuable skills and opportunities then I want it included in the public education I am paying for. Therefore, I'll be advocating for daily instruction with my local school board. It's not a handout. It's something that is paid for with my property and income taxes.

@@jaredsmith4964 Perhaps at the middle school and high school levels, but it's rarely available at the elementary school level in my community. Some schools may have 30 minutes a week of music education for elementary school students or art instruction but not both and not daily.

@@Net-hf7pt Great. You're right. That's exactly how it should happen, but if it doesn't (and in many cases...it ain't)...I don't advocate waiting for someone else to do with my money what they "ought to do" and it doesn't start with that anyway. Waiting for the government (local or federal) to do something that we ought to be personally and culturally facilitating is literally "passing the buck". As I mentioned earlier, it's something that should take place long before government (local or federal) gets involved. That's exactly why it's been lost. If you don't have the values to invest that wealth in your own self, household and community...what does that tell the people you give your tax dollars to? If you don't fight for that culture in your own neighborhood...then the protest in city hall is just virtue signaling or conscience placating. I'd like to believe that you, personally, are not guilty of any of that and that your tax dollars are simply to supplement your own personal efforts to build yourself, your loved ones and your community.

Elvis too.

Don’t forget she was background for Aretha too.

Chaka Too

She also sang the background high notes on Aretha’s Ain’t No Way. Those high notes were an instrument in and of themselves.

The same with Beyoncé. Worked her ass off to get to the point where she can give two fucks how her music performs on the charts.

Church also taught stage presence.

All the great voices came out of church, Aretha, Jackie Wilson, Sam Cooke, etc. and even John Coltrane on tenor sax. Singing unamplified.

That part. A person who was vocally trained through Church are hands down the best singers.

Yessss. I grew up singing in the church (still do) and it’s so much talent up in there.

There’s no training in the world better than the black American church. That classical training can fine tune but the black church is anointed in voice…ppl can try to imitate that black American sound but the trained ear can tell authenticity

Sza can sing though…she may not be vocally as good as older singers but she’s still talented.

The style/sound of r&b isn’t new though.

😭😭😭

😭😂😂😭😂😂

What song, I want to hear it?

they do have mentors today... they're called drug dealers!

Yup

PREACH!!!

FACTS

PREACH! And these vets were also great songwriters and/or producers who had a vast array of topics to write songs about. Nowadays... everybody thinks sex is the only interesting thing to sing/record. Not even in creative ways. 😒

​@ChrisJones-ek2gmDo you see the irony in what you just said? 😂

this is a good observation, but honestly I do think it's a good thing that religion isn't forced down children's throats as much. let them grow and make that decision for themselves

@@RALAMA2992I think it’s part of the humor

@@RALAMA2992I don’t. What’s the irony?

This is absolutely true. Watch this video, people, instead of just ignoring it and posting random opinions 😊

Spoke facts!

Autotune or studio magic was around back then. There's still heart and soul in singers if they didn't go to church or stopped going as they got older.

Let's be honest, segregation & racism forced blk artists to be 10x better than everyone else in order to be noticed by the masses. Blk tax was truly at play back then. Not so much anymore. There are much more blk record execs that sign pretty much anyone if she has a cute face.

The lack of "soul" doesn't come from not going to church. The soul you hear when you listen to gospel singers comes from an insane level of skill, discipline and practise. So yes, learning to sing gospel style and going to church regularly created the best environment for developing your voice in that way, but it's not because the singers were more "godly". They were just surrounded and trained by world class talent.

Plus, people aren’t throwing anybody on the stage. You’ve GOTTA sing 🎤 very well to be considered so that was a standard. From there, you might have transitioned to secular music.

Star quality is something totally different than what this video is preaching which is countless hours if practice.

Diana Ross js a trained singer despite not being a big one

@@bgcrp2005 Diana Ross is not big?? Lmao. Do you even know her? She is very big, trust me. Have you ever heard of a little band called The Supremes? 😆😆

@@TheMediaDirectory I think they meant big in terms if vocal ability, not stardom or popularity. Dianna is not a big vocalist.

@@1sava oh...

I think it’s important, especially these days, to highlight the difference between a “singer” and a “vocalist”. The latter is unfortunately a dying breed

The musical content is also highly lacking. For example WAP WAP WAP.

how is a title "Why the new girls can't sing" not discrediting the new singers?

@@karolinadrabent2088its an eye-catching title thats meant to bring in attention, views. you being here right now means it worked. its the same thing they'll do with news articles

There's Also the question of If modern artists even need or are interested in this type of training, pretty sure the audience os fine with both styles

H.E.R is also really skilled ..but she’s been singing and training since she was a kid also

@@reflectivechrome I agree. I’m sure there are more artists out there who are well trained vocalists but they don’t get signed.

Beyoncé is vocally trained as well

@@reflectivechrome H.E.R doesn't have Jasmin singing ability. Or any other ability though. 🤣🤣🤣She's more of a songwriter.

H.E.R. is so lackluster to me, I don’t get the hype tbh.

FACTS! It makes all that complaining I did for band camp during hot summers, and chorus classes worth it. It was more so for the discipline and integrity needed for something like this. It's not just about talent, it's the workmanship behind it.

trust me in the choir you will grow very fast

At the end of the day what matters is the music, not the talent. Madonna in her prime made good music. Its not like this is exactly a new phenomenom. None of the Beatles were particularly talented at their instruments, and in fact most of them were multiintrusmentalists so they never really specialised in one. What set them apart was their extraordinary songwriting ability. I don't see a problem if the final product is still great, regardless of how skilled the performers may be.

Please. Madonna made good pop music back then. Charisma, marketability and song writing talent is more important nowadays. Most vocalists back then cant write or compose their own songs. That's why Mariah was super rare even to this date. It's rare for a really good vocalist to be able to write their own music.

You might have been tired when you typed this but you gave the best explanation.

I disagree. I think with how accessible music has become for regular people with regular incomes, or the middle class - both listening to and singing and producing your own - many teens have acquired interest in music (self expression) and music career. Not everyone is chasing fame and money you know. An example of this is tge rise of young kid producers and self producers that you see so much, even yt has some of it. But with that accessibility where more people put out their stuff not everyone has equal talents and strength. So sometimes you get mediocre producers/writers/singers. In any case, it still cost money to afford all that and all that musical education, especially for people of lower class. Even middle class not everyone has their own money to invest to continue proper trainibg to get enough exp or their families are not pooling money for their kids to be learning things so either they do it on their own or they don't. I mean vocal lessons are not cheap.

Ehh Diana Ross wasn’t the strongest vocalist either but she was a pop icon. Madonna may not be the best vocalist but she is a great artist and set the bar on what it is to be the perfect popstar. I’d say things started changing when industry puppets (Paula Abdul, Britney Spears, J-Lo) proved you could be a horrible singer but still be a success. It was all downstream from there sadly

All of this! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

and what about it? It's time to admit that the music biz is very dangeros and toxic. You should make your coin and move on after a few years.

@@ungoliver THIS!

@@mariahyohannes Not even considering nodes and throat cancers from lack of skill and technique and years of vocal injury due to LACK OF TECHNIQUE. Let’s stop excusing lack of technical skill and ability and lack of talent and using a toxic industry as the scapegoat. Two things can be true at once! The girls can be lacking AND the industry can be trash.

@@ungoliver Love how you missed the entire point of the video 😍

And more connective creativity in my opinion

They all sound the same

@@calenajackson8772 ur white.

Yes! You are 100% correct! Their voices sound creaky and flat. There’s no variation in tone, nor is there any projection or true emphasis.

I don't feel it has anything to do with practice, black women just "sang"...nothing to do with practice,... it's a cultural thing. Now black girls sing for the popular sound which makes money. Old schoolers are still out there but are not seen as popular by the industry.

Ariana has the vocals, but they're too busy having her sing commercial trash.

@@brandonmiles86 ariana does not have enough power to her voice.

TOTALLY AGREE and these ladies were putting on whole shows in concert. They weren’t just standing there. To see TinaT’s farewell, Simply The Best, tour and she’s all over that stage at 70 or Patti doing her best Patti impersonation, they put on a _W H O L E_ full-body, action packed performance their _E N T I R E_ career. Careers spanning 40, 50, 60 years. Agreed

Lol coco and Monica are better than anything now for sure

the best singer I know today is Tasha cobbs Who has vocals most good vocal singers are gosepel singers (which most people back in the day started out singing in church)

Jazmine and Tori have definitely put in the hours

@@LaAerial lol fr

Tink

@@LaAerial exactly she has her own lane but she does not fit the bill for vocalist

@@LaAerial the first name？

Even with music today, it isn’t good at all! The girls just love white mediocrity and it seems to be bleeding into other races that want to be pop stars. It’s sad. 😭

Peace. I have learned that today's industry has mastered the art of "fan for music" and not so much the artist only the rare few.

I think the story of Kate Bush is amazing, for example. She was discovered at 15 but they thought she should take time to perfect her art, and then she went through 5 years of not only musical education but also dance and theatre class.

The general public nowadays really be content with mumble rappers and whisper and avocado singers with no training. Why would a label put all this money in an artist nowadays if the people want mediocre singing and barely want to spend a cent because they can listen to their music for free on countless platforms? What annoys me the most is songs really be under a minute and a half nowadays, them microwave tunes be over before you can get into it 😭

@@lookhowshegobbledthat You made such a good point,also back in the day some of the greatest songs were just under 3 minutes, including intro, verse ,chorus, verse,bridge/ middle eight,chorus fade with great vocals,melody arrangements and musicianship.What happened... My opinion Technology!!!

yeah I don't actually understand why this video is only about women

That's because they don't exist. Aside from Bruno Mars, name a crooner That's under 40 right now.

@@vernonhampton5863 Daniel Ceaser, Frank Ocean, Justin Bieber, The Weeknd, Khalid, Raury, Pink Sweats Chris Brown, 6lack, Ty Dolla Sign, Bryson Tiller, Jacquees, Eric Bellinger. These are just people in my playlist. Im sure there are more that I don’t personally listen to, but there IS a need to speak up on a lot of male artists as well. Female artists have been dragged the past couple years left and right meanwhile rap music and r&b has plummeted amongst male artists as well. Some of them don’t even make original songs, a lot of male singers now a days lack the same power and originality and some only sing covers their entire singing career…

@@itsbrittbritt4183 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 exactly!!

Yep

and looks!!!

Yes because the industry has to pay for exceptional so why pay when they take non - singers with hardly any clothes on and create an illusion of talent and control the hole package .

well i wouldnt say “lower” i would just say the standards are DIFFERENT. The standard back then was a level of soul incorporated into the singing. And a LOT of singers today have that, however thats not what is favored by the masses. For example: If you took the song “Whats Going On” by Marvin Gaye and had him release this song today as if it had never been released prior. As if its a completely new song, sure maybe a few people would like it, but it would be nowhere near as popular as it was back then.

@@hansolomon6866 The direction of standards have changed ever since the late seventies into the eighties with MTV and the music became visual which is a distortion in what is real quality and not it's been a premeditated within the music industry to gain high profit and keep control it's really no longer about art.

My sentiments Exactly! Don't Lower their standards...Raise your ambitions!

“Just got out of bed” perfectly said!

Well said! Now I am off to go listen to some Shirley Bassey! Thank you!

I recently went to hear Gladys Knight!! At 77 she sounds exactly the same as she did 40 years ago!! So I cosign this comment!!

@@phyllispierce6146 I remember when she was on Masked Singer, she sounded phenomenal, I was so blown away that her voice still sounded so rich and expensive!lol

Got outta bed, snorted a line of coke, and smoked 6 packs of cigarettes before going on stage.😏

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They don't listen to me giving sage-like advice. It is usually, 'well, you are not open enough' or some bullcrap from the sheeple. Good grief!!! I prefer to keep to myself and share a few they might enjoy if possible.

​@@Helaw0lf call this a tall order, but when you need to compete with the 70-99 vocal squad, just sounding nice ain't gonna cut it. You need to be really extraordinary, so cut us some slack.

Here’s one: NICHOLE BUS- she’s amazing! I listened to her song “You” and it’s really good 😊 after that I played her album called “You” and it wasn’t bad imo, you guys can probably give it a listen. TBH she’s so underrated 😢

This! Sometimes I listen to artists like NAO and think her range would have been more appreciated 100 yrs ago.

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Power Control Stamina You literally develop muscle from singing I remember being able to control my lungs in sections like an instrument

It’s worse than this - singers are actively being taught that singing loud is BAD - that it is damaging to your voice. There’s a difference between screaming or “belting” and actually being able to naturally and effortlessly project any level of volume you like just like any other classical instrument. The irony is, by learning how to use your voice naturally and correctly this way, as all the great classic singers have, you actually end up ensuring your voice lasts well into your 70s and 80s. Why else do all these Gospel singers still have their voices? Why could older singers still sing well into old age? It’s more than just modern home recording equipment - it’s poor technique being taught by people who were taught by people who have no idea about the history of the voice.

​@@Harry_11have you seen Patti Labelle's NPR tiny desk. She was 78 when she recorded it and it was phenomenal.

There was time when younger people couldn't listen to their own music. They listened to whatever parents listened. Probably even sing together.

I'm soo over vibe

To me .. The vibe thing is just an excuse for not capable of singing normally.. u see we also get the “vibe”while listening to 90s music.

Exactly. Like you can be a good dancer naturally but you’d be 20x better if you were classically trained.

That's true.. but the point is... The vibe singers should be able to switch it up and sing like the classics if they wanted to. Like Aaliyah. She was the definition of a vibe .. but listen to her singing Ave Maria as a child... She could switch it up and still provide the necessary vocals for her time. She also didn't have to sing super loud and powerful like say Whitney Houston.. she was more of a technical singer.

Music industry is a joke now

They were actually talented back then, many of the people we have know are just talentless industry plants.

Berry Gordy almost didn’t sign the Jackson 5 until he saw Michaels talent. It took talent to be famous

Everyone is different. Some had it easier than others back then and now.

I think people had more time and incentive to focus on actually improve their skill at their craft, whereas now marketing is just as, if not more important to your success than how good your work actually is.

That is so true!

Belting mezzos, they call it screaming, screaming sopranos they call it great vocals, now everybody's gotta sound like a girl.

@@fernandodiniz6029 That is not true!

@@fernandodiniz6029 I disagree lol

@@randall4528 Right lol

Thank you!!

They are music no shade.

@baque they're not talking about race

Cher

Wow good point

Thats not it, music has just changed, nowdays its more abouy lyrics and production. Not nearly vocally focused as back then

I get it

@@mrclean2751 no that’s it, that’s why i said it, your point is something completely different but it’s still valid, my point was that VOCALLY it’s not the same and won’t be the same

Showtime at the Apollo in the 90s would have exposed these girls! We'd have them running home to cry in their pillows!

@@matthewprince9705 😂😂😂😂 facts

Agreed. If the standard is mid-20th century gospel-influenced then of course other generations are going to fall short by that standard. Styles change, culture changes, music changes. Sugarhill Gang changed music and I'm guessing they did not put in their "10,000 hours". LOL.

I love this comment and agree 100%. Not everyone wants the loud screaming vocals but still you can be powerful without but the singers tone, vocals are cheap thrills and not trained. As long as they are popular they don't want to challenge themselves.

100% agree! This sounds like a “Where’s the Powerhouses?” And kinda ignores the current singers skills because just because someone got popular for a certain style of singing doesn’t mean that’s the limitation of their abilities

Agreed. This video makes it seem like there were no "chipmunk" sounding singers back in the day. That every one was a powerhouse vocalist. And that simply was not the case. You definitely had your Rihanna's and your Normani's even back then.

NOTHING BUT FACTS HERE. THIS COMMENT SHOULD BE PINNED 🎯

I think the point rly is about access to learning environments, and the impact that funding in arts and education can have on a nation's culture and self-expression

right?! i’m always like where the hell is the climax??

@@turquoise8603 omg yes and why songs today are about 2 and half minutes long...and the worst part is that when I start to feel it in...it's OVER LOL. Like where is the 3rd verse tht leads to the bridge, where is the climax where it all comes together...climax I mean not a belting note, or notes...just a wholesome togetherness at the end where you finally sing out loud with the singer...in the car...perfect examples...MARIAH CAREY, WHITNEY HOUSTON, CELINE DION...THE VOCAL TRINITY...and many others of course I love...and even rb chick's from back in the day had vocals...SWV, ADINA HOWARD, XSCAPE, MONICA, ETC. And my personal fave...TONI BRAXTON...there's no comparison If these new girls were given the proper training and support to put out what they really wanted to showcase, they would be amazing...But as long the industry keeps them cookie cutter and basic...that's all they will put out until they are brave enough to step out of that and become their true authentic selves

That bullshit 🙄

spot on sir.

!!!! Nailed it

This made me think of Jon Batiste's best album grammy speech when he mentioned that he sits down and practices every day, and that i's a spiritual practice. That really says a lot about that 'it' factor - it's a gift that needs to be appreciated and cared for every day. PS Chaka is a QUEEN! awesome you got to see her.

Chaka and many other good singers, sing without effort AND sound like an instrument.❤️

yes me and my mom loveee chaka khan! ❤❤

@@higgarocthe It factor is social factors, not talent.

The internet is a big place so people can find current artists that can perform past songs just as good as the original artists. What I believe has happened is how promotion is done. The Beatles were impressed that Jimi Hendrix and his band could play a Beatles album two days after the release of the album. Now kids can have a pop song recorded minutes after the original song hits the internet. The songs are purposely dumbed down so that kids can cover songs on the internet and think that they are a star. These songs are then promoted through the algorithm because the algorithm sees hundreds of people singing the same song at the same time.

@@orlock20 wow. Ive never thought of it that way......but are you saying through this that music production itself loses its meaning?

@@naevitzy I believe pop in pop music no longer means popular. About 1% of the U.S. population listens to the songs on the Hot 100 according to the last numbers Billboard gave out which was years ago. I believe Billboard no longer gives out the numbers because it doesn't want people to know how irreverent current pop music is.

@@orlock20 so true, you ate them uppppp. Period, your opinion shouldn't be unpopular its fact.

Had me weak 😂😂😂😂😂

I thought I was the only one thinking this. I was almost on the floor rollin’, but his message was well received. Lolz

I was watching this while rowing at the gym and I had to stop from laughter 🤣🤣

Yeah that was rough 😬😂😂

😭

This!!!!

Very true!!! Luckily Jay Z got RiRi into intense vocal training which did help. Definitely still leaves a lot to be desired.

Exactly!

True. Rihanna remarked that she had to learn to breathe properly while working with Neyo on one of her songs! I was very surprised.

My absolute favorite live performance of Rihanna EVER. That show cases what an amazing vocalist she is, is her 2016 MTV VMAS performance of Stay / Diamond / Love on The Brain

Amber Riley

Church isn't the only path. There a lot of great singers, who mastered their vocal instrument through other means( performing school of arts)

@@SteadyNUnremitting but the greatest singers was from church like they said so church obviously trains your voice from a young age from being in the choir and ain’t nothing wrong with that

@ SteadyNUnremitting Nobody is saying church is the only path but you can't deny that the whole 'soul/blues' sound literally came from black American churches, that's music and culture facts no matter what you believe in.

How many young artists really come from the church anymore? Seriously, when they interview I don't hear them mention this as their foundation. Something is definitely missing.

AI is Scam

RIP Andrea Martin

Has nothing much to do with training. It's called talent babes

And they wore clothes!

Adele is famous because she's white. No talent.

The government didn't take anything, these industries became privatized by corporations that practice lobbying.

We need candidates wanting to revive what was lost during the 70s/80s period going forward. I would reenact that act to get the shit off the radio/internet for real that turns a lot of us off on so-called new music. Yes! I do explore outside the charts globally, so I do not need to be told to keep looking. I found it internationally and non-english speaking/sung. :)

Ronald Reagan is where america really stopped working for the average man, became a corporation again like in the slavery era, and really took a dark turn into every major bad policy we see occurring today that's led by conservative politicians. That man was a quiet virus that destroyed America for the average and less privileged person.

Exactly. All they care about is making a quick buck

🎯🎯🎯I don’t understand why they don’t want to invest in an artist with true talent if they’ll make more money in the long run. Isn’t that the point? 🤷🏽‍♂️

@@harlemw651 Some people are so greedy that they get short term gains that pale in comparison to what they'd get in the long term, they love money more than anything but they still can't find they best way to get it. Ironic isn't it?

@@liamjonas5336 Yes!! Very!

Talent doesn’t sale, so how they gone get money? Y’all barley make them money with “talent”. When will y’all realize we just don’t wanna see singers, hmm?

exactly. she doesn't even sing her own songs.

JLo was never a singer, she had her whole singing career carried because Mariah Carey’s ex wanted to fund competition against her. JLo had no passion for it, she goes out there and thinks she can sing because she has a huge ego lol, most people with her pipes would never.

I just don't think her talent is singing. She can put all the money and resources she wants in it, it's simply a God given gift. It doesn't matter how much I practice and train, I just don't have the voice as much as I would love to, lol

What about Madonna? Her voice is so flat but she sells herself out creating so much controversy to divert from the fact she never could sing

@@sarabennett6295 EXACTLY

Lucky Daye has a great voice and good R&B songs!

Anti-Black much? 80s-90s were filled with so much copycats it’s not funny. Stop romanticizing your terrible decade.

The Attraction of $$$$$$$$

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Terrible decade? Anti black? Lol Trolling is pathetic.

Jhene can definitely sing but she’s just not a vocalist

I cannot give this comment enough thumbs up!! You hit the nail on the damn head!!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

Beyonce started rap-singing too 😭

@@jvnemesisedenia5206 Beyonce didn't come on the scene rap-singing. She's rap-singing because unfortunately the industry has evolved, along with the style and substance of music. So she's hopping on that trend to gain Gen-Z fans. But for the rest of us 30 and over, we all know Beyonce is a skilled vocalist who's been singing for years, starting out with Destiny's Child. And she comes from an era (among her contemporaries Brandy, Monica, Alicia Keys....etc) where there was no auto tune or social media to help you get ahead. You had to be able to have an exceptional singing voice as well as being a performer and having star quality.

@@Corey617 yessss. I still jam out to Second Nature, Stay, If You Leave, Signs etc. 😌🎵🎶🎵

This right here!!! Hip hop has changed rnb so much that rnb singers don’t even need to sing anymore. I really miss the voices - imo Jazmine Sullivan is the only one giving what we used to get

And I bet she kept most of her body parts covered up too

It's Songs that make the singers too.

Let's address the elephant in the room. In those days, they picked singers based off of talent mostly. Now they pick people off of looks mostly. No record exec now a days would give Patti Labelle a second look no matter what was coming out of her mouth. Plus, us Black Americans don't buy most records, most people want to sing along with their favorite songs. People can't sing along with Whitney Houston or Ronald Isley. That's why they took the soul out of RNB songs.

@@lroyjetsonson5060 who doesn’t sing along with Whitney! I do. Might not sound good but I’m sanging!

Yeah? If I remember I'll come back to this in 5 years and see what I can do to disprove this.

Or push them to do much better. Elvis Presley's eighth grade music teacher told him he had no aptitude for singing. I can't imagine how much hard work he put in after that reality check.

@@lucasribeiro7534 Elvis didn’t put in any work. All he did was still from Black Entertainers. PLS!

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 I agree that, artistically, Elvis was a moocher. However, for a dirt poor teenager who could not sing at all to become that successful as a singer later in life, he definitely worked hard on his ear and technique.

@@lucasribeiro7534 Elvis never had that great technique though.

@@Ignasimp true dat. It worked for his genre, though.

Exactly

that's what their audience want

Women artists can only reach a certain level of success in pop if they play the role of a stripper

Having a gorgeous face, sexy body, sexy outfits and sexual dance routines are okay too, but take away those things and give them a piano and a microphone and they ain’t s**t. .

Y’all have turned this into misogyny