Well I mean to play them on a hybrid phonograph (non Edison) such as my Vita-Nola. You have to use sapphire as the steel chews them up.

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Pathe' records were also unique in that they're run in groves were in the center of the disc where a normal record's outro grooves are. I have a 1917 Brunswick floor model player with a unique reproducer in that it can turn two ways and has 3 mounts for various needles so that it can play standard phonographs, diamond discs and pathe' records. It also has a sort of manually set automatic brake on the platter so when a normal record gets to its end it will stop the platter so you don't forget and let the spring unwind all the way down.

Edison Diamond Discs play with a diamond stylus, not a sapphire ball. There were styluses sold with diamonds mounted on them instead of a sapphire, which was meant to be used with machines like your Vitanola. The sapphire works but it isn't meant for Diamond Discs.

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Vertical disc recordings have been around since the 1900s. The most common are from Pathé; but other companies used the technology until about 1920, when the Victor/Columbia patents expired.

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Yep!

Edison was kind of an asshole. I wish I could put that more delicately, but there are lots of accounts of his general assholery. Tesla could testify, I'm sure.

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That's not entirely true: I have a number of pretty jazzy Diamond Discs in my collection.

I heard the same story about the style of music Edison preferred, which was Hawaiian music. However, I too have several Jazz Edison diamond discs in my collection, along with a few Hawaiian songs, sacred, vaudeville, one-steps, waltzes, fox trots, etc.

@@Lucius1958 It is entirely true. The reason you have jazz titles is because Edison became enamored with moving picture technology and gave control of the record and phonograph division to his son.

The "problem" you assert here is completely wrong and doesn't exist. Only a damaged stylus had any problems -- undamaged stylii have played flawlessly for well over a century now. Cylinders fell out of fashion because discs were easier to store; no other reason. Cylinders were vastly superior to disc records in terms of sound, right up until they were discontinued.

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You don't have any Victor sleeves that say 80rpm. The only companies that listed speeds on sleeves were Edison (80rpm), Columbia (80rpm), and Pathé ("90-100rpm"). NO Edison records pitch correctly except at exactly 80rpm. 78.26rpm as a speed standard didn't even EXIST for the first 40 years of the record industry.

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I think the 3 mil stylus of the ortofon would be too wide...

Then these are microgroove records? I’m of the understanding that microgroove records came out much later.

@@7JANEWAY The regular Diamond Discs were recorded at 150 grooves per inch; rather more than standard 78s of the time. However, in 1926, Edison introduced a series of "Long Playing" discs, recorded at about 450 grooves per inch - even finer than a vinyl LP. At 80 rpm, a 10 inch disc would play about 12 minutes per side; a 12 inch disc played about 20 minutes per side. These records, however, were a commercial failure: most of them were dubbed from standard discs, as recording a long piece in one take proved too difficult for the technology of the time. Also, since Edison was hostile to electric recording at the time, they were recorded acoustically: that required a very heavy reproducer, with a very tiny stylus, to play them back. This was too much for the record surface: most surviving Edison LPs are damaged, and prone to repeating and skipping; plus, the sound is rather thin and feeble, compared to other records. Edison did not adopt electric recording until 1927, but the damage was already done. Even the last-minute issue of the electric "Needle-Cut" 78s in 1929 could not forestall the company's fate.

@@7JANEWAYThey're aren't microgroove, which is a specific spec invented by Columbia in 1948, but they are much closer to a microgroove shape and size than they are to a standard 78 lateral groove. The Ortofon wouldn't work because I believe it's mono, which means no sounds would come from playing a vertical format record, and the 3mil stylus wouldn't navigate the Edison groove all that well.

Record stores might buy the 45's but they would likely throw the edisons out. Your best bet would be selling via ebay or locally on craigslist - they should command 5-20 each.

Audio Technica ATLP-120. Use a 3mil stylus. You don't need to change any wires, you can just invert the right audio channel in Audacity. After that, you can optionally clean them up digitally (to remove clicks, pops, noise, etc.), or just mix both channels to mono.

I just swapped the red and white wire back of the cart.

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@@RecordCollector96I get better results with an LP stylus.

Those do exist. They're called record lathes.

They actually used to make such things - one make was called 'Recordio'. I had one for a few years but some evil man thwarted my plans to restore it and keep it forever by offering me an obscene amount of money for it, lol. The records didn't need to 'harden', though. They were usually acetate discs and could be played immediately after they were cut. The problem for a lot of them was they would only survive a handful of plays. Those old styluses were brutal and the material fairly soft. The idea of a home recording shifted pretty much to magnetic wire and tape after the war, so the notion of a phonograph recorder became outmoded. I like your idea, though, of a material that would 'harden' after it was cut. Perhaps if it were brushed with some chemical solution?

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@@Recordology Thanks!

Incorrect. Thickness of the record has nothing to do with surface noise. It has to do with the materials that the record was made with. Edison Diamond Discs made during World War 1 were noisier than the records that were produced during pre-WW1 and post-WW1, and that is because the material that went into them to quiet the surface noise had to be substituted for material of lesser quality.

@@RecordCollector96 True he had to come up with a formula for the acid used in the manufacturing process , he had to do this because what he used was being used for the war effort

@@RecordCollector96 The pre-war "transfer" Diamond Discs can be quite good, if you can find them in good condition: they have very little surface noise. Unfortunately, these are the most vulnerable to moisture, causing surface splits which render them unplayable.

@@Lucius1958 I have seen those and thought how strange that they split like that wont mess with those

I heard the reason for the surface noise was the same as others have mentioned on here: materials used when making these diamond discs, especially during the first world war. I also read that China clay and wood flour core was used in the production of these diamond discs, which is why moisture is the enemy to a lot of these Edison records and causes the cracks. However, rim chips and flea bites are common to see. It won't necessarily affect the playability of these Edison records as long as they don't go into the grooves of the record. I usually just play these with care.

Really? Where are you based?

I'm in Upstate NY,I see these Eddiaons frequently.I think they were problematic around here because a person needed a special player.

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@@gunnarthefeisty Depends on the record.

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