Red Bead Experiment with Dr. W. Edwards Deming

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The Deming Institute

The Deming Institute

10 жыл бұрын

Excerpts from the Deming Library: Red Bead Experiment video. See more on our blog post:
blog.deming.org/2014/02/deming...

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@kombinatsiya6000
@kombinatsiya6000 5 жыл бұрын
I love Deming's sense of humor.
@christinefumi-fiamawle6634
@christinefumi-fiamawle6634 6 жыл бұрын
This is an example of what I experienced as a operations supervisor for a new product that had a lot of variation in the manufacturing process. No matter how well my team produced within the constraints, management made the decision to move the operation to another plant. I learned that we couldn’t compete with the other plants operational efficiencies .
@shanthiayyadurai7835
@shanthiayyadurai7835 6 жыл бұрын
This video demonstrates that even the most efficient worker cannot greatly affect quality if the management doesn't step in and execute the proper processes to ensure quality. Management's most common mistake is when they act more forcibly than is justified (e.g. shutting down the business when revenue is low, instead of evaluating what they can fix to drive revenue). Deming advocates reiterate that it is ultimately the management's responsibility to maintain quality.
@christopherarmstrong2710
@christopherarmstrong2710 4 жыл бұрын
Shanthi Ayyadurai - well said!
@TehNoobiness
@TehNoobiness Жыл бұрын
More than that, it is management's responsibility to recognize _when quality is or isn't controllable._ Half the point of the process used here is that it's a process that _inherently_ produces a bunch of waste--comparable to, say, production of computer processors. Barring a major technological breakthrough (and a new process stemming from it!), the _only_ thing management can do is pay for a QC department--the workers don't actually have a hand in how much usable product there is under the current process. To this day, unfortunately, managers continue to believe that all quality failures are failures of the worker, and not the process or the management--which is doubly frustrating in fields where management often fails at their own end of things, such as in game development, where upper management and publishers regularly over-promise, fail to account for unknown factors or potential issues when building a schedule, and then use crunch time to try and make up for their own planning failures.
@OliverFLehmann
@OliverFLehmann 10 жыл бұрын
How often are people getting graded for pure luck? In industry: How often are managers, workers, external partners etc. praised, possibly promoted, when luck played into their hands and results came out as a good job? How often are they criticized, possibly fired, for bad luck? In teaching, how often give instructors unclear tasks to their students and then grade them for the degree of luck that they have in guessing and delivering what the instructor wants? Thank your for publishing this video. A great learning experience given by a great thinker and teacher. Oliver
@JKDstocks
@JKDstocks Жыл бұрын
Imagine if this man was reborn in today's world in america again with no power... man would be furious at you all... tried to explain in such a dumbed down way he thought it would be possible for anybody to follow..... but man tried everyone laughs like its a comedy show.... and if reborn today would be shamed nobody uses his simply solutions to complex problems.......
@johnconstantine2328
@johnconstantine2328 3 ай бұрын
And what is luck? Nothing but variation, after all. And that's what this is all about.
@annaekelman8335
@annaekelman8335 6 жыл бұрын
A great example of how management can over react to the numbers, without having sufficient knowledge of the entire picture.
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Performance Management and Performance Related Pay are an attribute of the de-skilling of Managers. There’s a myth that Management is generic regardless of whether it of a brick works, a bank, a burger franchise, a public service or an aircraft building plant.
@hedgeearthridge6807
@hedgeearthridge6807 Жыл бұрын
Working in an engine factory, we have this exact problem! The machines are broken and barely function, and the line is not designed to make such a high number of engines a day, but the management refuses to acknowledge it or do anything about it. They blame us, opened a 3rd shift, continually raise the goals, make us work Saturdays and pressure us to volunteer to work Sundays. And they wonder why the quality is dropping, why production is decreasing, and nobody wants to show up for work. The answer is complained to them all day long, but they refuse to listen and improve the system. Don't fall into that trap!
@TechnoL33T
@TechnoL33T 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is everything I ever wanted from an adult when I was young. Where was he when I was in school being berated into compliance for asking why?
@AndrewMartinez-hf8lx
@AndrewMartinez-hf8lx 6 жыл бұрын
This was a great experiment to show that a hard worker with the best attitude and intentions can not compensate for quality. Great video
@christopherarmstrong2710
@christopherarmstrong2710 4 жыл бұрын
If the processes suck or are flawed, the work will suck, and will be flawed! This is what happens when no creative / independent thinking is employed towards the solving of problems. Very similar to the assembly-line style grading of papers (Scan-Tron model) of a one size fits all, antiquated education system that doesn’t map to the reality of current needs in the job market / workforce. Very well demonstrated.
@dancar4906
@dancar4906 7 жыл бұрын
I am grateful to learn the teachings of Dr.Deming. As an educator, I recognize that the "Red Bead" syndrome is also used in classrooms all across America affecting both students and teachers.
@drphil4ril161
@drphil4ril161 5 жыл бұрын
Dan Car Your comment really got me thinking.
@davidelega8755
@davidelega8755 Жыл бұрын
in italy too...maybe everywhere
@okbelbab
@okbelbab 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. William Edwards Deming is a blessing for the humankind. May his soul rest in peace. ❤️
@mwaseem6
@mwaseem6 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, this experiment was mentioned in the classroom when I was doing my MSc in Quality Management, it is nice seeing it.
@mkebrewer2
@mkebrewer2 8 ай бұрын
I've run this experiment several times. We throw in some extra "real life" type examples, such as coming up with a new company slogan to improve quality about half way through. We have someone who does well write a "work instruction" on how to perform the task. Every production manager in every industry should go through this.
@cpreede
@cpreede 6 жыл бұрын
If I were one of the workers, I would be frustrated that the system did not allow my contributions to add value. Processes must allow skilled workers to feel like their contributions matter.
@TehNoobiness
@TehNoobiness Жыл бұрын
More than that, processes should allow for situations where worker skill is not the sole factor. The process described here is _inherently_ lossy and prone to "manufacturing errors"--nothing in the spec allows for workers to control how many red beads they produce. There are ways _this_ process could be improved, but sometimes a manufacturing process is just lossy, and there's nothing to be done about it--processor/microchip production comes to mind. Sometimes, pushing workers harder makes it _WORSE!_ While I worked at an Amazon warehouse, there was a process for feeding flat/lightweight packages into an automated sorting system, which--because of its design--could only have a couple hundred such items in it at any given time, and each item could take several seconds to process--and when an item failed to process, it looped _THREE TIMES_ before getting kicked out into the manual sorting area, taking up precious space all the while. Management, of course, promptly demanded at least 1500 small packages be processed by each worker per hour. As workers started moving faster to keep up, they started making mistakes--after all, who has time to inspect the package anymore? So packages with torn labels started landing on the cross-belt, each of which--of course--looped three times, meaning that they took up precious belt space three times as long. This made it harder to keep up with our requirements, because when the belt's full, NOBODY can move packages, which makes our packages-per-hour ratings drop. So workers started moving faster to keep up--and started making MORE mistakes, because now we weren't even checking to make sure the label was facing up for the scanner--which led to MORE downtime--which led to MORE rushing--which led to MORE mistakes! If management simply hadn't made the demand in the first place, they would've had the performance they wanted (or 90% of it). Instead, performance _dropped,_ because Amazon management assumed that the problem was worker skill and not A) equipment issues or B) not being able to work faster without cutting corners.
@santhoshsiruvole3615
@santhoshsiruvole3615 8 жыл бұрын
This is very similar to stock picking. If there are 100 investors in the universe, one is bound to show the best returns, irrespective of the skills. However, the returns can never be replicated because it happened by luck.
@vincentclayton3124
@vincentclayton3124 6 жыл бұрын
A revealing look at what happens when management only dictates rigidly, process requirements without regard for inputs on the process (how to achieve success) from the workers.
@TehNoobiness
@TehNoobiness Жыл бұрын
It is both amazing and infuriating to see this video from what appears to be the 80s describing the exact problems that I had at Amazon in 2021.
@AlvarAstigarraga
@AlvarAstigarraga 8 жыл бұрын
He was so great. His work should be required reading.
@omegapointil5741
@omegapointil5741 5 жыл бұрын
why waste your time. pretty much Deming's own advice.
@sydneydoc
@sydneydoc 3 жыл бұрын
Instead, the ignorant masses follow the lunacy of a psychologist - the farce of Six Sigma.
@jerometaperman7102
@jerometaperman7102 3 жыл бұрын
At the University of Wisconsin School of Business, they talked about Deming in almost every one of my classes.
@SM_zzz
@SM_zzz Жыл бұрын
@@sydneydoc 6σ originally came from Deming, Shewart and Juran. The application of Science and especially Psychology, kickstarted the second, third, and fourth Industrial Revolutions.
@drtonyburns7321
@drtonyburns7321 Жыл бұрын
@@SM_zzz Bullshit. Six Sigma was created by self confessed con man Harry. Mr Juran esq spent his life counting defects before he joined the SS con men. Professor Deming's teachings are the OPPOSITE of the SS crap.
@Loachie90
@Loachie90 3 жыл бұрын
The problem isn’t with the workers, but the procedure set by management. Improving the system will lift results all across the board.
@rich6245
@rich6245 2 жыл бұрын
Very powerful and profound lesson by Deming.
@mercury8076
@mercury8076 7 жыл бұрын
Very pertinent way to demonstrate how ineffective modern management is: in this video, Dr Deming is great in his way to characterize the practice of it. There is a part missing where he is offering a bonus to the best worker for his good outcome and a warning for the worst. What do you think happened one the following batch?
@marandaburks6255
@marandaburks6255 6 жыл бұрын
The process did not allow any input from the workers , the ones who had first hand interaction with the work, and seemed to run blindly. Applying a merit system that is virtually unattainable spoils the environment . Being willing is the secondary, being able to lead effectively is the what is necessary to promote change and improvement.
@SM_zzz
@SM_zzz Жыл бұрын
Lack of input from the workers isn't the culprit, it's lack of input from management.
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Without understanding why, managers can set up 'Motivated Workers' so that they destroy whole industries. The criticism does not only apply to manufacturing. Motivated Workers rewarded with individual performance related pay, came close to wrecking the US and UK financial systems in 2007-8. However if the job is very simple and narrow enough, and outputs do not depend on teams (which are destroyed by PRP, thought Deming) then PRP might work... at least for a while. The circumstances in which PRP works are, however, quite rare. Usually one person's success depends on the success of the other persons around them... a principle which Japanese managers applied famously in the form of 'Quality Circles'. However it was Deming who led 'Japanese Management'. Hats off to the guy.
@canadiannuclearman
@canadiannuclearman 6 жыл бұрын
one should read the book "A drunkerd's walk" variation is a given. The story of errors by an Israli fighter pilot and his instructor stated in the book is symilar to the red bead experiment.
@canadiannuclearman
@canadiannuclearman 6 жыл бұрын
A Dunkard's walk : how randomness rules our lives.
@teamtoken
@teamtoken 4 жыл бұрын
Great comment Gary I just downloaded “A drunkards walk” audio book, hugely fascinating and Im only an hour in. Thanks!
@christopherarmstrong2710
@christopherarmstrong2710 4 жыл бұрын
Gary Lewis - how about Nassim Taleb’s Fooled By Randomness or The Black Swan?
@kurtschultz8220
@kurtschultz8220 6 жыл бұрын
Management evaluates employee performance and sets standards on capability without knowing the process capabilities themselves. Deming does a nice job of showing how truly ludicrous this is...
@johngary3716
@johngary3716 6 жыл бұрын
Great video but I love to watch this in HD! Can anyone convert this video to a higher quality for everyone?
@rc....
@rc.... 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know why this is not in HD? Do you know how a video can be in HD???
@John-Brown
@John-Brown 3 ай бұрын
8:35 the lesson of the red bead experiment
@nedimmilanovic2103
@nedimmilanovic2103 2 жыл бұрын
Good day, I want to present red bead experiment in one conference , but I am consered how much bead I need ( 80% of white and 20% red), is it thousands or hundreds regrading to 50 samples which we use every time ? Regards
@rabbitcreative
@rabbitcreative 4 ай бұрын
Make different concentration and test it yourself.
@navajohnny76
@navajohnny76 4 жыл бұрын
What could we add that would then produce quality?
@sydneydoc
@sydneydoc 3 жыл бұрын
Firstly having management understand what Quality means. These days Quality has been lost in the fad of Six Sigma Stupidity.
@BradPitbull
@BradPitbull 3 жыл бұрын
My NIGGA KEEPIN it 💯
@canadiannuclearman
@canadiannuclearman 6 жыл бұрын
what i find odd about this experiment is it is soo simple. The real world is a lot more complex. what happens whe someone throughs in black or green beads. one is not scored at all. he calles into work sick because he heres there are a lot of red beads from the supplier.
@WayneWerner
@WayneWerner Жыл бұрын
Do all experriments need to match precisely the circumstance? Based on your question it sounds like you're in a leadership position and you don't want to build the systems to allow your employees to remove the red beads. You're too focused on the color of the beads instead of what you can learn from this experiment
@shopdogsam
@shopdogsam 8 жыл бұрын
,,,, just a game of chance,,, nothing you can do to inprove your success,,,
@peasant8246
@peasant8246 Жыл бұрын
Real life horror story.
@wjrasmussen666
@wjrasmussen666 3 жыл бұрын
I'd cut corners
@antoniodeoliveira6424
@antoniodeoliveira6424 5 жыл бұрын
you do not have the same amount of red BEAD's that i's call cheating
@jose15238
@jose15238 Жыл бұрын
lol
@Google_Does_Evil_Now
@Google_Does_Evil_Now 4 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they just order white beads only? And no wonder this company is losing money paying 6 people a whole days money to put 1 scoop of beads in a biscuit tin each day. And what's he got against red beads anyway? Someone call the red bead union.
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