My man

Dat was funny

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I don't wanna miss all my shots

If you’ve never shot a Barrett M82 from the hip, don’t call yourself a sniper!

For real. Sounds like a skill issue.

My irons are a little bent I uh I Yeah..

Should see the new competition 12g

Or, iron sights.

Thank you for this comment

@@otterpop5551 point and shoot.... Most civilian gunfights are closer in range not all but most

My father was career army so going out into the woods to go shooting with his government buddies was a family rite of passage lol. I don’t think I picked up a Red Dot until my teens so irons all the way

Ironically having a red dot made me better at shooting irons.

Red dots are faster! Train both but speed and accuracy are the things that matter in a gun fight!

Gotta get the suppressor height sights with the red dots. Why choose when you can have both? 😎

I’ll have to disagree. I’ve seen two novices improve groupings with red dots after shooting irons.

Shooting fundamentals are the same whether it’s RDS or irons. Grip, trigger discipline, and recoil management all apply to both.

😂

Do you use blinker fluid?

​@@philbertshevitz3113never use blinkerfluid on reddots. Reddots need a constant dot while blinkers go on and of every few seconds. If you use blinkerfluid on your reddot, it might start turning on and of which is annoying

@@rhabeldibabeldi6812 I used blinker fluid once, when I was young and dumb. It shot every time it blinked. Was very annoying.

@rhabeldibabeldi6812 - You didn’t just “Go there”! You built the house, moved us in, and forced us to pay rent! 🤣👍

Suppressor height sights have entered the chat

One thousand percent this.

@@nathanskupowski4726OOOOOhhhhhhh that’s nice! However I worry a bit about bending those sights. If I practice and treat it well I should be fine

Which it will. Two deputies Trijicon red dots failed during pistol training. That was enough for me not to buy one. Plus, they cost as much as the pistol

Something isn’t superior if it can “malfunction”. Iron sites can’t “malfunction” unless you do something ridiculous to them like beat them with a hammer. A malfunction at the wrong time in a gunfight will kill you in real life. Red dots are not superior they’re just the new hotness and have their advantages and disadvantages.

Same bro

Well said.

CO WITNESS

real AND true

@@hnojic Get an adaptor plate, easy

Not all pistols come equipped with RMR cuts to add on red dots.

Not if you can't see through the glass due to snow, rain, and mud. That's the issue I'm having, during last deer season as I was going through the woods my red dot and thus my pistol was unusable due to snow/water falling into it while going through brush ect. Atleast with the exposed holster I was wearing. Ended up using only a concealed holster now as it keeps the gun protected until needed. No more kydex holster on a gun belt, unless it's one with a hood. And I've since had to buy 2 new holsters to fix that, which was expensive AF...but worth it

@@mrdark9916 check out a safariland RDS holster for red dot protection. But also, wipe it off? Wouldn’t you have the same problem with irons anyways getting muddy?

​@@mrdark9916 get a better red dot.

@@mrdark9916 why are you deer hunting with a handgun????? Depending on what handgun it is, that is a terrible way to just injure an animal and not dispatch it on the first shot.

@@joshdennis8841 it's a sidearm bro.... Lol 😂

I’ve personally watched irons walk loose on cheap handguns all the way up to 2500 dollar custom kimber 1911s. I’ve also seen the Springfield prodigy have sights walk loose.

​@@joshdennis8841 ive never seen that before. Nothing a center punch cant fix anyway.

Tell me you don’t shoot very much without telling me.

@@mikebrase5161 I’ve seen at least a dozen front sights get yeeted into space at matches, and various brand adjustable rear sights shit the bed too. I have at least three officers a year (small dept) come to me because their rear sight has drifted in the dovetail. About the same amount who have the Glock front sight screw loosen up I see annually (and I GREEN loctite that shit when I install them). This is not uncommon. And it’s not just Glock. SIG x-ray front sights are fragile as hell, and like to snap off even using SIG’s own tool. The Trijicon sights in M&Ps made specifically for SW like to have the tritium inserts fall out during firing.

They definitely can fail lol. I’ve seen some front sights pop out, rear sights walk left or right and fiber optic blowing out if your gun is comped.

Like the way you think, almost all of my pistols have rmr's with 1/3 co witness irons. Best of both worlds!

Severe astigmatism is the only legitimate “irons are better for me” reason. But bruh Inforce makes hot trash, buy a decent light.

^^^^^

same, astigmatism creates a MAJOR sunburst effect but the principle remains, know yourself and your tools. I personally like lasers with irons because of astigmatism.

I see crazy stuff when I look (uncorrected) at a dot. That being said , I've found that light power readers clean that right up. Also if I use a large circle reticle (not a dot) it's basically a non issue.

Perhaps some day they can get holographic tech small enough for pistols. I’ve heard EOTechs are better for astigmatisms, but I don’t have either of them, so I don’t know.

Target focus fixes the smudges because you should only be seeing the dot anyway

You should be proficient with irons first. That should be secondary. People pick up on shooting and fundamentals faster with dots than they do with irons, and it actually makes learning irons easier if you started with a dot.

Every shooter ive ever met who consistently trains with a dot over irons has had a faster learning curve with the fundamentals, and given it does a better job of teaching proper target focused shooting, what you learn on a dot tends to translate to irons easier than what you learn on irons transferring to dot use. You said it yourself, when you get a dot you have to train more, but if youre carrying you should simply be training more anyway🤷🏼 in reality most people get this idea because old school irons shooters still shoot front sight focused and never learn to shoot target focused. Using a dot speeds up that learning curve for using both of your eyes properly. Personally, i spent two years and 3k rounds on irons before I picked up my first dot, after less than 6 months of training with it I was bounds better at tracking my recoil and diagnosing trigger issues off of watching the dot in dryfire alone. Having a dot doesnt just give you opportunity to shoot more accurately they also serve as a great learning tool for improving your shooting mechanics and self diagnosing trouble areas. Also as a side note to this rant ive taught dozens of people to shoot and most of them have had an easier time shooting a dot for the first time than irons, I usually bring one of each to teach them. Hope some of this is useful to you

@@Elitist8 Most people don't j have time (or money) to train that much. Dry fire can only take you so far. Try to consider that the average person's income and for life schedules before assuming such things please. This type of mentality is exactly what deters people from wanting to exercise their 2A rights.

@@notveryserious4508 Again, please see my reply to Elitist8. Thanks

@@DeusRegum a red dot is a significantly better dryfire tool than iron sights. You see exactly what your inputs are doing to your sights.

@C B it’s not rare, it’s actually fairly common if you shoot your gun more than once a year.

I’ve had more irons fly off or drift than red dot issues

That's actually detrimental to the learning curve. It's better to learn on a red dot, then learn irons as a backup.

Or just get a closed emitter

​@@Elitist8EPS= (Enclosed Pistol Sight.) 😉😁

@@davidhudson2527Bingo.

That is why all optic compnies have moved to closed emitters. Same size, much more robust

I am loving this joke that enclosing the emitter will somehow magically keep crud from getting on the viewing lens itself. 😂 you guys should be in standup comedy.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND SLAVING THE. TO THE IRONS?!?!?! HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE ADVICE!!!!!!

​@@armenchuck suppressor height sights because if your dot goes out for whatever reason you can still see your iron sights through your red dot ....unless you have some QD for your pistol if so i would like to see that😅

I agree with you 1 million %!

The weight is next to nothing and the size may be something you'd consider for conceal carry. No reason not to unless your gun is hard to conceal or you're broke.

@@Justin-rq6kf just my opinion, you're entitled to yours. A pistol isn't a primary weapon, any extra weight and height is a detriment. Again, to ME, personally. It's a detriment because if I'm CC'ing then I don't want people to see my weapon, a red dot doesn't do any favors with that. If I'm in full battle rattle then my pistol is going to be on my belt, open carried with 2 spare mags, in that event ANY weight is going to be bad weight because I'll already have a lot of weight on me. And I'll add, I've used red dot pistols, I hit targets just as fast at up to about 35 yards with irons. So to ME, adding any weight and height to get NO added benefit save for possible hard failure of the optic just isn't worth the $. Now, how you use a pistol may be different from how I use a pistol and you're entitled to use a gun however you think is best, that's how freedom works. The Army taught me what the point of a pistol is, when I got out I threw concealed carry in with that. Use a red dot, use a magnified optic, use a musket. Idc. Stating that there are only 2 reasons NOT to put a red dot on a pistol and that 1 of those is because you're "broke" is a pretty arrogant and ignorant, not to mention divisive statement. Where in my original post did I attack anyone or come off as anything but respectfully giving my opinion, my educated opinion, btw? This is the internet so you're going to come back with another measurement of your dick in comment form, even though all I did was clarify my original post and add that your post was a bit aggressive.

I agree. It’s overkill if the intended purpose is concealed carry. Unnecessary weight and one more thing to fail. Also people say backup irons if it fails what happens in close quarters? Will you be able to train for that split second difference of switching between irons ? On a rifle shooting far distances you have time to!

"Team horse and buddy here!"

Why night sights? You don't ID your targets?

Yeah, i dont even need to look at the target anymore

Ok rambo 😂

Okay hotshot! 😂

Bro if all the World Champions like Ben Stoeger and JJ Racaza need their sights, that means YOU need them too and your performance isn't at the level you think it is.

Just sent my Px4 Compact off to LTT to get it cut for optics. I've heard it outperforms most full-size pistols with LTT's Compact Carry upgrades. Can't wait to get it back.

I bought a Holosun with the solar panel, it does work. The panel keeps the dot on during the day even if the battery is dead.

What about rmr is it as easy to maintain?

"Hold up mister bad guy. My battery died. Let me just swap it out real quick..." Also, an enclosed sight doesn't prevent dirt or mud obstruction the window, or excessive light from drowning out the dot.

Rain, dirt, snow. Heat will fuxk with red dots. Battieries arent always readily availabile. Wires will break, glass can break.

@@marshallwhite2619Closed emitter. All your problems solved

This

I see you've never seen a front sight post go into orbit

I was shooting the other day and wasn’t carrying an extra battery! No dot, and it’s hard to aim without seeing the rear sight.

Considering red dot for pistol after 25 years of irons. Not to replace, but for faster acquisition. Not medically necessary. Interested in your reason/s why you dislike RDs?

I can still use my irons with my green dot, so if it goes out I can use irons

@C B I’ve seen it happen 7 times in the last year. Multiple glocks have walked loose as well as a 2500 dollar kimber and a Springfield prodigy. It’s not if, it’s when.

Red dots all day. Easiest ways to mitigate all the cons mentioned, get an enclosed pistol sight so debris can't block the light, get a holosun so you don't have to take the optic off to replace the battery, and keep batteries on hand for when your battery dies. Done deal

Leave irons in the last century where they belong.

High sights and red dots..... problem solved

@@lamorferguson950 The batteries are so affordable, so I just replace them every four or five months. No need to wait til they’re blinking. Excellent point about the ease of battery replacement with Holosun. That’s why I have choose them. No way I’m taking a RD off to replace the battery!

Yea bro mine was so dirty, I just went back to iron sights. And they make the pistol wider

Sometimes a threat is farther than 7 yards.

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bruh if someone is 15 ft away from u, it literally doesn’t matter what is on ur gun. u just point and shoot as fast as u can without focusing on any sights.

That's exactly why I keep my Mosin bayonet Fixed!

Everything you said is just plain wrong lol. Dots are used because they're faster than irons in every single way, even presentation.

Data doesn't lie. In competition, Carry Optics shooters always score higher as a group than in Production (irons only).

yep but both is better. Your red dot die, you have your iron sight

I thought they were very extra until I shot a pistol with them. Consistent 100yd shots with a subcompact opened my eyes. I’m now a red dot fan. Still have irons obviously but the red dot is a game changer.

What’s complicated about them?

@@ALswampfoxOn/Off buttons are hard for some folks, apparently.