Red Hat is Creating a NEW type of Linux.. But why?!

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Red Hat has just announced a new type of linux RHEL AI (Red Hat Enterprise Linux AI). What is this? Who is it for? And more.. This is an open source project and was announced at the Red Hat Summit 2024 event.
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@SavvyNik 2 ай бұрын

What do you think about this 'paradigm shift' in Linux?

@Kelticfury 2 ай бұрын

I don't think it is a paradigm shift. It looks like it is just another market for them to tap into. If you aren't a business either already doing LLM or other Ai or are planning to, this is kind of a non-issue.

@gannas42 2 ай бұрын

There is no paradigm shift here. Just an attempt to milk more free labor out of developers and abuse the term open source.

@rursus8354 2 ай бұрын

The paradigm shift is that Red Hat shoot themselves in the foot. Most Linux users are marketdroid resistant and won't buy sales talk. What is it that they sell, by the way?

@Kelticfury 2 ай бұрын

@@rursus8354 google Akamai Technologies. Everything they do is on Redhat. Every video you have ever seen online goes through Akamai servers. That is not an exaggeration either. So big corporate bucks flow into Redhat and AI is the hot new thing so this move makes perfect sense. There is zero chance that Redhat is going to kill off their server lines and put it all into this AI package so it really is irrelevant to your average linux user. I can already run Stable Diffusion and local llms on my linux box but I am not the market they are looking to monopolize.

@SavvyNik 2 ай бұрын

Loving the comments

@esra_erimez 2 ай бұрын

Why would anyone adopt this and lock themselves into the IBM/RHEL ecosystem?

@SavvyNik 2 ай бұрын

Haha so many enterprise level companies just end up in the lock down

@joaopedroalbernaz 2 ай бұрын

You would be surprised, but Enterprise Linux idea and ecosystem is completely different than what we are used to in the open-source community. The most important and most costly is the support aspect of it (and what I mean by support is not the community support). Companies DO want to lock themselves into this ecosystem, this means business continuity.

@eno88 2 ай бұрын

@@SavvyNik not an answer...

@siliconhawk9293 2 ай бұрын

engineers probably not. some high level manager that does not know anything about technology that thinks oh this is backed by a big enterprise must be more reliable - yeah i can see that happening.

@nadtz 2 ай бұрын

For enterprise level support. Linux in the enterprise is a whole different beast than the home user or small company and it's the reason companies like Canonical, System 76 and Red Hat exist. When you need things like SLA's and the like to get approval for a project on some level you will be locking yourself down with some vendor regardless.

@ssmith5048 2 ай бұрын

so they want to crowd source llm developers before they "surprise" shut that down and make all that work proprietary.... do they think people forget centos? Redhat always had charging service as a large part of their business model, knowing that, I always steered clear of them for private usage. The Microsoft of Linux...

@siliconhawk9293 2 ай бұрын

to be honest Microsoft is not THAT bad nowadays on the developer side of things the consumers side is pretty bad tho.

@starkfuture1057 2 ай бұрын

All i can say is this : Thank god for Debian.

@SectorZeroOne 2 ай бұрын

... and devuan

@sonulohani 2 ай бұрын

@@SectorZeroOne Without debian, devuan hasn't existed

@gannas42 2 ай бұрын

Yeah there is no chance I nor my employer will trust Redhat. They will just close the exits like they did with RHEL once they feel that they have decent market penetration. Screw this noise.

@darknetworld 2 ай бұрын

They using same tactics free labor traps. Once the open src fully stable they would close src it. It just bait and switch like the openAI that the CEO got fire and rehired. It clearly they luring dev in with some hidden danger traps. Just how they close down their products. But knowing they still need to make money to pay for the dev and other things.

@rursus8354 2 ай бұрын

Honestly I think AI is a bubble that will burst this year. Many AI company will never make any profit. As for Red Hat, they have evoked the anger of the Linux society, so ... good riddance!

@SavvyNik 2 ай бұрын

🫧💥

@LowHangingFruitForest 2 ай бұрын

I agree, but I think it’ll take longer to burst. Probably 3-7 years.

@skelebro9999 2 ай бұрын

It will burst or not depends on whether normal people want to use it or not. Only a few companies like OpenAI and some smaller companies have managed to make some sort of money since people use their services.

@MinaSchloch 2 ай бұрын

And I already thought they would introduce atomic RHEL / CentOS Stream. That would be awesome for workstations.

@scottmcbrien6535 2 ай бұрын

We've been doing a lot of work in the arena of image-based builds for RHEL. Atomic and CoreOS are bespoke builds for a specific use case, the latter being used as the base OS for Open Shift. The big issue for people with the (now discontinued) RHEL Atomic and CoreOS is that an individual user/administrator can't change the software provided within it. But building your own immutable image, lets you pick what does, or doesn't go into the image. Being able to upgrade in an atomic way is pretty interesting, which is what Image Mode is about. You can update the entirety of the OS in one go by changing the image instead of using "Package mode" which is what we've traditionally used for managing RHEL (and Red Hat based) . The flipside is also interesting, what happens when your system has issues after the update or the update fails mid-update? With Image Mode, you just revert back to the previously used image, where in the traditional model, you may be able to use something like dnf/yum history to undo the transactions, or you need to look at things like install/uninstall scripts and a variety of other things that occur during an upgrade or downgrade operation to figure out how to recover.

@Steve-Richter 2 ай бұрын

IBM destroyed its AS400 operating system

@BunnyKhatri-pd8zm 2 ай бұрын

Wtf when ever you see ai yk this is not gonna end well

@SavvyNik 2 ай бұрын

Lol

@Chris-ip8uv Ай бұрын

Bring on the T3000’s

@balsalmalberto8086 2 ай бұрын

All i can say is this : Thank god for Suse and Oracle

@TechwithSTONE4 2 ай бұрын

Hahaha those corporations will be using AI also. Try a non corporate Distro.

@oat1000 2 ай бұрын

>Oracle

@allenellsworth5799 2 ай бұрын

I mean I guess the other two aren't being sued. They have that I guess

@Stevos-Corner 2 ай бұрын

Some more letters AI to add to their dei model they push.

@Kamakazi_-tp2lb 2 ай бұрын

Well yeah they need another form of indoctrination, hell if anything AI can think of new genders if anything lol :)

@rosomak8244 2 ай бұрын

RedHat is just a moniker by now. it's IBM.

@user-dz3ph7dl4m 2 ай бұрын

correct

@JulsGeekPI 2 ай бұрын

Closed source linux? no thanks.

@yahi06 2 ай бұрын

Red Had opensource = free real estate

@scottmcbrien6535 2 ай бұрын

@SavvyNik: Multiple times in the video you describe Red Hat as "Closed Source". As a Red Hat Employee, I can assure you that Red Hat is, in fact, NOT closed source. Further, given the recent changes to Redis and Hashicorp's software (where they've gone to a source available license, which is not GPL compatible), there have been industry players changing their licensing, however Red Hat has not changed the licensing agreement on any of the software they ship (besides open sourcing code we've gotten from acquisitions). I would be happy to answer any further questions you have on Red Hat's licensing. But please, stop saying Red Hat is closed source, because we're not.

@samconnelly7630 9 күн бұрын

I think the problem is not that it is open source, but that the source is not available to the public despite having a license generally used by FOSS projects. It is technically open-source, but the source itself isn't open to the public. It is technically open source, but practically closed source.

@scottmcbrien6535 8 күн бұрын

@@samconnelly7630 it depends on the OSS license used. Red Hat ships GPL2 and compatible license software. None of the software’s licenses require public distribution of source code. If you look at the history of licenses like the GPL, it’s worded very specifically such that if you distribute software to someone, you are then obligated to provide source, upon request. That said, there are a ton of different software licenses, so maybe other licenses require publicly distributed source? GPL2 does not.

@nillieable 2 ай бұрын

You guys are still trusting redhat!!!

@FineWine-v4.0 2 ай бұрын

Is there no RedHat-like company that actually respects & abides by the FOSS philosophy ?

@AndrewMorris-wz1vq 2 ай бұрын

SUSE?

@siliconhawk9293 2 ай бұрын

do you consider debian a company? if so there is your answer. if not then no clue.

@nadtz 2 ай бұрын

@@siliconhawk9293 The Debian Project is most assuredly not a company, not even a non profit.

@RonnieRedd 2 ай бұрын

Canonical is as close as you get. Debian is probably your best option, and there are really good options for support

@FineWine-v4.0 2 ай бұрын

@@AndrewMorris-wz1vq has SUSE made an Ansible equivalent ?

@0xac829 2 ай бұрын

RedHat is the Microsoft of Linux .

@jooch_exe 2 ай бұрын

To be honest i actually wonder who Red Hat's clients actually are.

@willi1978 2 ай бұрын

An other platform that claims to be open until it gets big

@demos113 2 ай бұрын

Calling it A.I. is not the same as it being A.I. it's just marketing spin. Not touching anything related to IBM.

@asdfasdffdcd 2 ай бұрын

no thanks. Love debian and arch.

@RonnieRedd 2 ай бұрын

Debian is my choice

@TechwithSTONE4 2 ай бұрын

No thanks, No AI for me, just in the Apps.

@mubashirbhai6147 2 ай бұрын

Guys i was wondering which os is better. Now i know you guys will be like huh!! Here we go again. But hear me out. The thing is windows is being used by all the big corporations in the world. Linux never made it into corporate. Companies invest 100s of thousand of dollars to buy those volume windows keys if not millions of dollars. Linux that is actually free, has a libre office that is also free, is not being used by any corporations. And what i have seen is that businesses are usually very hungry to grab any value they can.. in order to progress...yet they pay upfront to microsoft for keys in order to setup. The only distro i have seen professionals use is RHEL or the ubuntu pro. Both of which are paid. The thing that i feel is that microsoft invests a ton of funds in their code and even though linux is open source it is not seen by the eyes of paid professionals that actually work hard due to the incentives. Windows is better at gaming.. period. Windows is secure since many businesses actually use them. If it would have been not.. i dont think businesses would have stick to it. I know even microsoft uses linux..but that is for backend stuff..servers and shit.. which is very professional.. and not the every day use case such as a os or desktop. ALSO AS IT HAS LOW MAINTENANCE COST. Finances guys.. the ultimate root cause. I know linux is harder to learn at start with all those commands but lets say every one knew how to use linux perfectly..will it still be able to capture a market share especially the corporate side of things? I would love to see any one disagree with me and share some logical and informative insights. I can be wrong on many fronts so i am open to any response you guys can share. Also do remember when comparing the 2 os just assume that any user using linux is actually very well versed in it. I dont want to read any one say "IF" they know it well enough bla bla... I want to hear you thoughts guys. Which would you prefer and why. Linux has been unable to capture a major market share as a os whether it be daily user or businesses. This alone makes linux as a os not so worthy as we might have thought. Well what are your thoughts guys. What are the actual uses where linux shines...

@JamesWilliams-rw6qc 2 ай бұрын

Linux to me is still mainly for the enthusiast (they can still be professionals but need a fairly advanced understanding of the software) and possibly for people with limited software requirements. I will be dipping my toes into the murky waters with a laptop of mine that doesn't support Windows 11 but is still fairly powerful. There should be a paid stable distro out there to give support to businesses and to give trust to developers with a paid app store so you have a motivated core of developers with a team to make the UI intuitive where a layman could easily pick it up and use and not have to use a terminal or have to hunt for complex solutions (there have been attempts). However, the big hurdles are the balance between open and closed source, the patents held by large tech companies and a fan base where compromise with partially closed source makes it very difficult to advance. There are however some small wins here and there with DaVinci Studio being available on Linux (however tutorials are needed to get it working) and Steam with Proton and Vulkan. Wine/Bottles & Distrobox will also help. I think there will be more of a move to open-source as people look for alternatives to costly monthly rental subscriptions (Adobe Suite/Microsoft 365 etc), However, personally I'm happy to pay a one-time fee or for a significant upgrade every 5 years or so.