They say this bc they think christians are white supremacists, when the majority of christians are actually black (Africa is mostly christian). Which is also why actual white supremacists want to destroy christianity because they see it as a "black" religion (they don't understand the concept of a universal religion).

Wait what? Impossible... What now, are you going to say he was a Jew too?

@@qwerty_L do you think greeks aren't white ? Because if greeks are white, then Jesus would be white, since all of the northern parts of the middle east are what westerners would call greek-like.

Well 90 percent of the artists' depictions of jesus make him look like a German hippie.

@@suserman7775 of American depiction

Whenever I debate an atheist and I hear the word "Sky daddy" or "Magical friend in the sky" coming out of his mouth, I instantly stop taking anything he says seriously.

@@baldwinthefourth4098same

​@@baldwinthefourth4098or when "you could literally replace the word 'god' with 'unicorn' and the argument won't change" 🤦

Sphagetti monster

@@schizoid7734 that is cringe as well

Tell them that perhaps they might not be ready to have a girlfriend.

People who think God will give them anything effortlessly simply because THEY want to. 😆 And absolutely, God's protecting women from this man until he realizes what he's doing (presuming he was being serious, of course).

God doesn't hand non believers anything. Especially girlfriends lmao

Read your bible! (KJV, preferably) ♥‎‎ ‎‎ . ...

​@@abel6298🧑‍💻

You kind of can though? If your wife says she loves you but cheats on you and is never home, constantly deriding you and manipulating you, you can have some assurance that her claim of love is untrue. If she listens, is there, is affectionate, and shows her love your faith in her love can be determined by the evidence. That's the point.

​@@LuxMachaera Someone can cheat and still love someone. It's incredibly stupid and destructive, but love is very personal and hard to quantify. You can also have an attentive and caring partner that doesn't truly love you, but feels obligated to do these things.

@@LuxMachaera But that's not scientific. That's a case study at best. That's the point of the argument. Science investigates LAWS OF NATURE. A single individual's emotions and dedication isn't a proper subject of scientific inquiry. You can only understand it by faith.

It’s funny but you actually can. All you need is an MRI machine and a map of the brain’s “love chemical” receptors (oxytocin, etc)

@@midnightstracktwo just like anybody can scientifically prove that you are a woman?

Growing up as an atheist, I can attest to this observation

I also feel like they've never actually been really sick or have had a migraine. I had a long talk with one about this, about what if his kid ever gets really sick, and he didn't have a good answer for that. basically their faith has never been tested, as long as science or their own willpower work for them. (belief in nothing, vs belief in one's self)

well, you have now. Hiya, I was a christian and am now an atheist.

You haven't met me so thats understandable, besides corelation doesn't equal causation. Personally I've been much happier since I was an atheist

@@chancepaladin funny how I've been really sick a few times. Still no need for your god. Husband was really sick too, no need for god for him. Why bother with an imaginary being that does nothing, C? I watch christians suffer and die repeatedly, and no god saves them.

😂😂😂

...In the theist world Life in Spirit Is fantastic

she can only deny the truth for so long

⁠​⁠@@leonardoantonio216 God can forgive my sins Thank Him for all he’s given Imagination, life is God’s creation

Someone tell her that studies were done where old men were given testosterone and they became LESS religious, not more, which would explain why women are generally more religious than men up until now (I think women in Gen Z are no longer more religious than the men which is disturbing. Now I haven’t done a lot of research into this-I don’t feel like I can handle it-but I’m not sure if that means that women in my generation are becoming complete secular materialistic atheists or if it just means they don’t follow any particular organized religion but still might believe in things like ghosts and the supernatural. Still)

Never mind all the times Christianity has historically and currently opposes scientific predictions and findings. Outright killing blasphemers who disagree with the church. Problem today is “Christianity” describes such a large range of beliefs, all converging on “Christ”, that Christian groups widely disagree on what science they should accept or reject.

I wonder what controversial thing the other reply said. I can't see it, because it seems youtube deleted it.

@@yarnicles4616 I’ve been seeing that a lot lately, I’m not sure why it happens.

​@@bogdanov2395Russia's supposedly had the best stem workers, yet they had to steal American ideas for nuclear weapons, and they never made it to the Moon. R.i.p. Yuri grigoryan, or however you spell it

@@bogdanov2395 "best" by who's standards though?

if they believed that argument, do they have anything to say about people who listen to rap about glorifying sex, drugs and gang violence? wonder what music they listen to

What in the hell am I indoctrinating myself with when I hear Breakcore!?

The funny thing is that you are indoctrinated by the music you listen to anyway.

Replace music with media, it will make sense

@MrCovi True. And it is an attested fact that Dawkins believes in Evolution because he was insecure in his atheism.

Blasphemously underrated comment.

@@leonardticsay8046 exactly. Science and Religion don’t always need to contradict. Did RZ ever tell you that the man who hypothesized the Big Bang was a Catholic priest?

And cosmic purpose creates cosmic order!😀 You cannot have an order without a purpose!!!😁

​@@greglejacques1094211 comments on this channel, I will pray for you.

​@@CliffCardibruh, science was made by Christianity. You probably should rely on the word of christ over science though. I'd recommend reading Tertullian on heresy for the full argument why.

This is because most of the atheists on KZfaq are from Christian countries.

Because they are afraid when the brown man with a beard starts yelling. Either because they are afraid of being racist or because they think they going to be beheaded.

Mhm because Christianity is the truth and they know it

I would assume most western atheists live in countries where Christianity is the dominant religion so it's probably the religion they come into contact with the most.

They don't criticize the Religion of Peace because it's adherents will kill them horribly if they do.

Joined Aug 20, 2023 the video was made Aug 1, 2023 you made an account just to hate on atheists. you are the definition of hypocrite. what makes you any different than that other account? did god tell you to make a youtube account 🤣

Aside from the profanity, good observation. I'm pretty sure her parents were 'Christian'.

and the thing is, atheists always ALWAYS bash Christianity and never other religions, what's up with that?

@bxrxn1534 God bless you bro

Good ending here.

Me too, little by little it’s made me a better person, and it still is

That's exactly how all atheists are brought up. They're just ignorant to reality. I'm glad you've got an open mind, bro

The only one who can "craft" good doctrine is God because he is good and he always has been. Good societies are founded on the Word of God.

Thomas Aquinas was a desert father right?

@@dustydesertdisciple6290 actually he’s considered to be one of the greatest philosophers in history.

Never mind the vast number of times the Christian Church has made a claim based on personal revelation or the Bible and had to backpedal every time we applied the more rigorous method of scientific inquiry to the question. How do the planets move? Earth is center! Nope Sun is center. Blaspheme, kill the heathen! How old is Earth? About 6k. Umm actually no. Geology, Human Anthropology, Archeology, Biology, Physics all show this to be false. The world was submerged under water! Actually nope, can show it with the most fundamental basics of Geology. Oh it was just a local flood then! Adam and Eve, nope, Human Genome project crushed that. They are possessed by DEMONS!!!!!! Seizures, and mental conditions. God saved me from my heart failure! Nope, that was your surgeon with a dozen helpers and a hundred + years of medical science. Then there are the internal problems. God is love! “A man can sell his own daughter into permanent slavery, to be passed down to descendants as inheritable property.” God is love!! Literally commits Genocide. God is love!!! Creates the circumstances by which billions of conscious souls will suffer for all eternity.

It’s a “smart guy posture”. Goes hand in hand with unwavering faith in (Neo) Marxism.

Oh, so you think your arguments haven't been debunked?

@@BulwinskiJanuszlol atheist spotted

@@JustinYadien-fl2gw oh he’s just too smart for me and my mouf breeving god. Lol.

@@leonardticsay8046 We're not all Marxists (...but I can't deny the trend). I'm a big natural-law, individual rights, Austrian-economics guy.

same with Christian memes they are still using the same arguments that were used 30 years ago

Hard to make new memes when the source material is stale.😅

​@@Dock284Mainly because atheists haven't been able to properly refute Christianity's arguments

​@@Dock284if it ain't broke don't fix it

@@greglejacques1094 God may have died, but there's a reason why His grave is empty.

Thank you for this explanation!

This is great. Thanks for putting the effort into this comment.

Good explanation. Dr. David Falk covers evidence for the exodus and the conquest of Canaan on his channel Ancient Egypt and the Bible if one's looking to learn more

So you are not an actual archaeologist? How exactly did you date Joshua's destruction?

Oh I get it. The 1500BC number is for the wall. Which is possible that God aged it. They have found more recent pottery and stuff at the site of Jericho.

Do you believe in gravity?

“In the name of God, I will smite you!”

lol

I dont get it

​@@neodinson9928 I think that is a mother fucking JoJo reference.

why are you atheist if you dont mind me asking?

The difference is that Fundies and non Fundies are using the same texts, dogmas, and adherence to certain doctrine where as, I'm sure your aware, atheists do not. That's why they tend to get grouped together. There is nothing tying atheists together, such as doctrine, scripture, or tradition. So to group atheists together as one would religious adherents is a mistake.

@@whatwecalllife7034Only half truth, Catholics dislike Baptists as much as atheists do, and disagree with them in so many things it is only not a different religion by technicalities.

@@whatwecalllife7034 exactly, atheist is a blanket term that describes such a wide variety of people. i don’t hate religion, i enjoy learning about it, which is why I watch this channel sometimes

@@boxofturtles761 Yep, and just like that there is a difference between two atheists 😆. I would consider myself to be an atheist who is also igtheist and anti theism. I despise religion because not only is it not demonstrably true, it has typically caused harm that could have otherwise been avoided, and it's taught TO CHILDREN as if it were true. It's actually quite insidious and ingenious due the the naive and gullible nature of children. That being said, I don't think that religion will ever go away as long as humans exist but it can be diminished.

Didn't Copernicus hide his knowledge about the heliocentric model because of backlash from the Church?

you might have dyslexia then

@@Dock284 nahh, dude's brain just corrects whatever it's seen.

I can understand this, “I am a theist girl” sounds way better than “I am atheist girl” because the latter just sounds like a superhero introduction

​@@asterglaceonthat's what I was thinking

A taste girl.

Thank you.

Everyone in prison is innocent. Lol.

@@leonardticsay8046 God forgives, man doesn’t.

I'd just like to add a counterargument too for the caption at the bottom that reads: "And we wonder why federal prisons are crammed with Christians" 1. The anti-theist cannot rule out the possibility of conversion in those numbers (citation needed). Furthermore, there aren't really a lot of good numbers on the religiosity of inmates. Furthermore, some religious groups are over-represented according to their actual population in the US. 2. One can apply the same logic to black people. "And we wonder why federal prisons are crammed with black people." Maybe an atheist would be logically consistent with that view and agree that black people are predisposed to crime. But I doubt the poster would.

​@@Elioc-ed6wrwhat the fuck are you on I never thought statics Based on things which have nothing to do with atheism means I have to have a consistent logic regarding fucking statics on convicted black criminals like do hear yourself

Did you leave the Catholic church then?

If you need help with faith in an easily digestible format I would recommend Inspiring Philosophy. The guy has numerous arguments for God as well as addressing many problems people bring up, Redeemed Zoomer is more of a theology guy while IP is as the name suggest focuses on philosophy/science/history.

@@FRodriguez_ Nope. Why should I leave the Church established by Christ? Also, I warn you: Keep barking at the RCC, start calling us "idolaters" and accuse us of a work-based salvation and I will humiliate you.

@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 Yes, I know IP and his videos were also a huge help in my faith.

​@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 I actually like Classical Theist more. Thomistic guys are very underrated in general. Trent Horn is the king overall

For real. I'd love to see this guy debate Alex O'Connor.

Id like to see him debate an actual smart athiest

​@@just1randoall their arguments are "no evidence" just debate that point and you've debated them all

@@thebignacho Ehhhhhhhhh

@@thebignachoIts a good point. It being interesting to see how a theist constructs their faith.

I guess that's a fair conclusion to come to... for just 4 examples... on a Christian's channel... you think there might be a bit of survivorship bias in your conclusion?

​@@cediviannareeda4305 this Christian channel sure has a lot of vehement anti Christian atheists in the comments, but sure, the conclusion that atheists are evangelical is totally the result of observing a single biased video

@@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216 I'm sorry, are you seriously saying looking at a single video and the comments under it is an unbiased and thorough examination of the opposing side? Welcome to the internet I guess, I hope you're enjoying what's clearly your first day here. The former Christians - now Atheists - that don't care about religion anymore obviously won't be watching this video, much less leaving comments.

@@cediviannareeda4305 you went from "atheists aren't evangelical and the idea that they can be is a conclusion reached from a single biased video" to "not every single athiest is evangelical" have you ever heard of 'shifting the goalposts' by any chance?

@@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216 please point to the exact place I said “all Atheists aren't evangelical” in the sense that none of them are passionate about Religion's place in the world, and then point to what OP said, and then point yourself to what it actually means to shift the goalposts, as well as what survivorship bias is. And finally, point your impotent argument elsewhere, because I'll be talking to Christians who actually care about understanding things and convincing me, not just digging their heels in about stupid Atheist stereotypes

I second this!

I third this

Yeah I agree! Very very cringe ones that need pointed out for sure😂

Up, it’ll be a video bashing baptists

Lol please no. I don't think I can survive any more reddit-esque cringe. Why were even taking these posts seriously, I don't know. 😭

I like that. That’s a lot more mature and respectful than most atheists

yo even though you may not believe he’s real, Jesus loves you

ahaha, hey look, an angry atheist neckbeard, how are your idols doing, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc

@@sleed4639i’m jewish

@@crypticshadows Jesus loves you

Ahahahaha 😂

Also, mankind is a rationalizing animal. Not a rational one, I bet if you outright showed her the evidence she would just rationalize it away in one regard. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it mentality.

It’s been a long time and no one has seen anything…

@@Xippone2093 I have. I see things all the time, just nothing interesting

@@Xippone2093 what do you mean

The Bible is not a dictionary 😂

Not wrong at all.

No.

You would be correct in that statement, but the person commonly attributed to making the scientific method is Christian and Christians were the founders of the most prestigious universities.

you are not at all wrong. this guy does not script his videos so sometimes he makes small mistakes in his speech.

Well you are kind of wrong but not entirely. Greek and Egyptian science was heavily tied to mythology and mythicism. Christianity was the one that truly seperated the rational works of God and how he created things with Order and laws.

I wouldn't call that "common atheism". What you're describing here is Anti-Theism which could be described as a very vocal minority within atheists.

My goodness holy shit tell me you never actually talked with an atheist without telling me no most atheists don't spend their time debunking or debating the existence of God no most of us just try to live our lives and "common atheism" isn't a thing neither is atheism anti-christianism which makes no sense what it seems your trying to address is western atheism which itself is a vague term because this doesn't address the fact that there are ex-musilm atheists and atheists from other backgrounds other than Christianity and no atheists don't make their identity "rejecting god" we simply don't believe in God not reject him and isn't the entirety of our identity

because some believe that religion causes harm to others and it directly effects our lives as most people are religious. Plenty of theists ground their entire identity in proving their god to be real. What's the difference here?

Humans are occasionally irrational, go figure. 🤣

​@@Dock2841. As RZ said, religion may have caused some harm in the past but the 20th century was the most bloody century and most of the deaths were caused by seculars who completely forsook religion, so secularism isn't much better. 2. The most common favourite colour is blue; that doesn't mean it has an effect on the life of someone whose favourite colour is red. People may be theists but that shouldn't matter too much. Just get over people having different beliefs and do something more important than attacking them for it. 3. Some theists do ground their identity in proving that God is real but they don't then go on to attack other people's beliefs the same way that atheists do. Leading atheists like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins all clearly have an agenda against religion but you don't see a Christian leader going on to constantly attack non-Christians, do you?

Whats your question brother if you dont mind me asking.

@@dustydesertdisciple6290 The one posed by the atheist account: If Jesus dying on the cross to save us was the plan all along, why did God make the flood?

@@manshenriksson Good plans are never done spur of the moment. Certain things have to happen and be in place for a good plan to be set off. That time had not come, so anything that would stop that plan coming to fruition would have to be eliminated. This is also the reason why the Jews were so protected by God, and so many rules applied to them.

@@johnmark6628 yep

Without things like the flood and the old covenant we wouldn’t understand as well why Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary or see how great of a gift it actually is.

Hahahahaha

I know this comment is ironic but unironically read "If God is Good" by Randy Alcorn

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle oh I didnʼt know this. Perhaps Iʼll give it a shot.

if God don't exist, why good thing?

It’s true.

Something similar happened with an instructor at my HVAC program. He like to spout his anti-Christian stuff on breaks and we would discuss because we both thought it was fun. He made all the same “intellectual” arguments and when I pushed him on some things: “I’m not an atheist, I practice Palo.” Ok, so you ridicule Christianity and make fun, but you make animal and human bone and blood sacrifices to demons, cool. His response was, “I’ll believe in what can shut my door when I ask.” Well leave me out! Jesus!

That's like a satanist brother

@@sunburst1889 They were 100% worshipping Satan I agree, though even one who is not directly practicing rituals meant for worshipping and controlling demons, and is "merely" professing their belief that there is no spiritual world and no God, is also worshipping Satan. I just found it odd that they specifically referred to themselves as an atheist and most of their arguments were about the irrationality of the truth claims of the Bible. That and other comments they made when we were talking made them feel like a typical hyper-materialist/empiricist internet atheist rather than a person who believes in a spiritual world but is just directly playing for the wrong side in the spiritual war. The stuff they had in their comments, and many of them were after our conversation as I went to check up on them as I have been praying for them, did not seem like the goofy pretend Satanism that some Atheists do to troll Christians (which is no less Satanism than this, but it is clear those people do not believe their own nonsense) but rather that they sincerely believe that what they are doing has power.

@@skyorrichegg I'm yes to that, someone who says they don't believe in Satan but worship themselves are already worshiping Satan. Also a lot of satanist/ athiest target Christianity other than any other religion, because they know Christianity is the truth, They can't hide from the truth it will find them just like how God finds us. It's good we pray for them athiests cause God works fast fr spreading the gospel is saving others not ourselves

​@@sunburst1889no I actually search up what palo is and that guy saying he makes sacrifice to demons is bullshit

Interesting, are you religious or do you just believe in a higher power or do you just like to argue?😂

@@livebungusreaction I think he might be a atheist defending Christianity.

you're not an atheist, but you're also not not an atheist

I hope you come to Jesus though he is the only one that can ever truly satisfy you :) if you need evidence for God just tell me and I gotchu

@@livebungusreaction I'm muslim

It's really a flawed view by atheist and indirectly, by some Protestants. If you believe that all you need is faith, then it does not matter whatever you do here on earth. As long as you believe that Jesus died for us.

@@chimeremnmaozioko17yeah, but, you know the thieves on the cross? One of them said, “Hey, Jesus, if you’re really the Son of God, show me your magic, take me off the cross man!” But the other thief said, “You fool! He’s the Son of God, innocent blood right there. Jesus, can you remember me in heaven?” And Jesus didn’t say, “No man, you need to be baptized, you need to preach, you need to do all these things, and then I can take you to paradise with me.” No, He said, “Surely, I tell you, today, you will come to paradise with me.” The thief didn’t have to do any works, he only had to believe.

@BelieverInGod0 The Bible(or at least its translations) say today, you will be with me in paradise. Did the Bible tell us that Jesus went to Heaven that day??

@BelieverInGod0 you also forget that the thief was not previously a Christian or frankly righteous, considering he was getting crucified. He basically repented of his sins at his last moments of death. He was truly contrite for his sins. It's quite different from those who believe in Christ, treat their neighbors like shit, then at the last moments of their death they might say the sinner's prayer or sth like that, but they aren't truly contrite. You tell me if it's the same as the thief on the cross.

@@chimeremnmaozioko17 ah…yes, all that is true

Hi there I have a message especially for you. I've heard many biographies of people who lived in the past who read the Bible and studied the Bible with the aim of proving that Jesus wasn't God. The more they read and the more they study the more they realised that Jesus was and still is God. In other words, they became believers and by becoming believers they received the Holy Spirit, so they were saved. Saved from eternal punishment. Punishment which all unbelievers are going to realise that they have received when they die. This is why you need God. God doesn't force anyone to obey him. When you receive the Holy Spirit you actually desire to do what he wants you to do, as written in the Holy Bible. God is love. God loves you. He wants you and all humanity, to be part of his family. Family? "Our Father who art in heaven" Please have a rethink about your future. Today's headlines were prophesied more than 2,000 years ago. What that means is: We're expecting Jesus to return very very soon. God says: "I set before you life or death. Choose life." Your next breath could be your last breath. Please go your local Baptist church at 11:30 a.m. and tell them that you would like to be born again please. You've got 2 choices: Choose to disbelieve continually and end up in the lake of fire? or Choose life? So what will it be! Jesus stands knocking at your door. Will you let Him in?

When this country was founded, there were many Christian countries and they sucked. What made the USA great was the Enlightenment philosophy of the Founding Fathers. Yet theists always try to take the credit claiming 'our judeo christian values". Nonsense.

Keep searching. Check out a couple books, “A Case for Christ” written by Lee Strobel and “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek. The Bible is coherent throughout and has the most manuscripts of any ancient writing. It’s historically accurate and corroborated at times by other ancient civilizations. The facts are there, it’s just a matter of receiving them. Faith is not belief without evidence. It’s belief in something unseen moving forward based on evidence of what has been laid out before. It’s trusting that God is still Who He says He is.

​@@suserman7775 Although the world has seen a vast improvement in governance since the revolution, I'd argue that the countries with jc roots were well ahead of most in terms of human rights and standards of living. English Common Law was the best in the world, at the time.

@@Cozitto I think the most interesting one that I've read lately was "Euler's A Defense of the Revelation Against the Objections of Freethinkers". I've watched a fair amount of Frank Turek on KZfaq. Sadly, I can't say that I've gotten much from him. His approach seems more like winning debate points, and slamming unprepared college kids, than addressing underlying concerns. I'd like to see him in a less adversarial context, more like a Dennis Prager conversation.

*Zoomer*

As in general z

@@YEthanT-N I think you mean "generation z", in which case you'd be wrong. Zoomers are millennials are Gen X

​@@OppressedPotatozoomer = generation z

Yeah, ikr! Not many Gen Zers are Christian... Redeemed Zoomer is a beacon of hope! I'm Gen Z and Christian, I wish more Gen Zers were Christian!

38:43

as an Atheist, I'm here to tell you that Zoomer needs work on his arguments more than his temper

That's... actually correct!

Funny how you selectively choose what rules to follow and what rules to disregard, typical Theist hypocrisy. Hates porn but watches it. Hates Liberalism and ''duh secular world'' but buys stuff from Amazon and goes to restaurants. Okay bro

No its not 🤦‍♂️ There are plenty of arguments against god, (especially the Christian one) that aren’t “well I don’t like it”

@@Bassmachine227 What are these arguments of yours? Conceptually, it is impossible to positively disprove that God exists, because any evidence you employ to reach that conclusion could simply have been manufactured by God. God’s existence is unfalsifiable.

@@VeritasVivet yes the concept of a creator god is un falsifiable but the Christian god is falsifiable

“Holy roller” gives me a chuckle, also it originally referred to specific denominations of Christianity (Methodists) and was Flanderized to refer to Christians in general.

@@fleebogazeezig6642 that was the name of the bowling team Ned Flanders was on. The Holy Rollers, if I’m not mistaken.

Being completely kind to the arguing atheists makes them Really mad, and i think its because they want you to be angry so that they can say they are justified. But because they are howling and yelling at someone who is kind and calm, it makes *them* look irrational

@@limbonlegs1662 which they are.

@@limbonlegs1662 OR it makes them angry because you are just avoiding the argument and seem to have no answer.

We forgive you, Amen

Same. The number of discord servers I have been banned from for this particular reason is insane. I think I could do a better job preaching if I stopped letting the atheists of these servers gaslight me into argument. I hope you also work to fix this issue alongside me.

@@yarnicles4616 it's just incredibly hard to have a genuine conversation with someone who's being disingenuous. But I agree we must be the bigger man!!

Well, we are supposed to get into arguments. They just need to be civil arguments, or as some would call them, discussions, as opposed to heated arguments.

Some real irony... LeVay Satanism was really just hedonism in disguise. He didn't believe in anything "after", and that the current life should be enjoyed to the maximum. He taught that people lived for themselves, and that their own happiness was paramount. Later in life, he regretted "going off message" so much with the shock-value stuff.

Probably a combination of wanting to anger Mom & Da….. I mean Christians (from my understanding most “Satanism” is really just an Atheist kayfabe), and trying to find spiritual meaning in life after leaving Christianity. At least that’s probably what they would explain it as, who knows what’s happening in the spiritual realm

This makes sense because in the end they both serve the designs of the same master, whether they realize it or not

I think it is either just a coincidence or a way to provoke a response (basically to troll). We shouldn't loop all atheists in with demonology or Satanism like that.

@@junothepeasant Not looping them all in, saying based on the references provided, it was a common theme. Even if it's a troll, which it could likely be, it's still weird (multiple, unassociated trolls on a common theme?). Maybe pandering to a second audience? But even if that's the case, it appears to be a connection or at a minimum, a perceived kinship. But why? The belief in nothing, vs the belief in one's self. They seem incompatible and I've often wondered if there's either a disassociative disorder or a cognitive sociopathy component. A void that begins to be filled by .. something. How do you reinforce a strong devotion to nothing. You repeat the nothing, over and over, and I guess, hope it doesn't fill up with something else. The universe finding an empty vessel.

A fair point, but a lot of evils were made in Stalin’s regime in name of anti-theism? Surely you know of his persecution of the church right? Also the lady who wrote him that song.

⁠@@lothara.schmal5092so blame anti-theism, not atheism.

@@bipbap300 The point however is not to say atheist are bad, just that the argument for religious people being bad is stupid, and this point just demonstrates that (even within their logic it makes no sense)

It wasn't atheism, Marxist Secularism was a dialectic faith. Lenin and Stalin knew that they couldn't take away Christianity and other Religions from the people, so they replaced it with their own Religion. This is why there was so much death, the state was trying to convert the proletariat masses to this new Religion which demanded supreme loyalty to the state and the leaders. This is very oversimplified but if you want more insight I'd watch a video from a channel called TIKhistory called "The cult many are in but don't realize".

@@lothara.schmal5092 anti-theism is an irrational, faith-based ideology that looks suspiciously like the very thing it seeks to refute. This is coming from someone with a strong dislike for religion. Atheism is a philosophical position on the existence of gods.

I'm responding to this in hopes that it gains traction that would be a very interesting conversation and video.

That would be interesting.

awesome, I'm glad to find you here, sad to see you so low down though.

I think that would be interesting to see! I hope that conversation happens one day it would be neat to see what y'all talk about.

Right! There's literally no place like earth known to man

​@@54032Zepolknown or not known?

@unitedstates1134 you say as if no atheists or agnostic have been to any part of the world or different cultures and beauty as far as we know it is a subjective human experience and you say as if it make lead them specifically to the christian god who not any other god then

I wouldn't say beauty is a universal solution. In my agnostic days I witnessed a lot of beauty with little effect. In my case, God used evil to save me, using it to show me the hollowness of a materialstic morality (which I have to to believe is really a contradition) and by contradition the truth of his word.

@@miguelatkinson Seeing the beauty and intricacy of the world will (hopefully) lead them to God, and we need them to *at least* believe in a God before we can convince them that the Christian God is the true God.

Well atheists do have a burden since atheism is a belief.

What you described is all humans, really. I feel like not listening to reason is more common for religious people, atheists are more logical and accept new evidence (Unlike religious people, who are more bound to interpretations of scripture)

evidence cannot exist with faith.

are you sure you're finding the best that the other side has to offer?

Tips fedora

@@JanJansen985 "Sky daddy"

Do you know what gnostic means?

​@@dustydesertdisciple6290 Yes but agnosticism isnt an opposite to gnosticism

@@mike8930 Lol never said it was man.

1 Peter 3

What did you discuss?

What did you argue

Tell atheist girl that studies show that when old men were given testosterone they became LESS religious, not more, I wonder how she will react to that 😅. How would she feel if she knew she has a lot of testosterone for a woman…

@@evanevanf4033source?

Religion was literally created and still exists to this day to explain what was and is still unexplainable. As we’ve learned more about our world and the universe, the less we needed religion to give us those answers. Of course religion still exists today because there are still many questions we can’t answer with science such as the creation of the universe. Those that try to separate science and religion don’t understand why religion fundamentally exists to begin with.

@@Sunny92809also people don’t have a lot of testosterone to snap them out of it: research shows that when old men were given testosterone they became LESS religious, not more, which would explain why women are generally more religious than men. Personally I don’t have a problem with it and I think it’s totally natural and kind of cute when women believe in these things. Secular women who don’t believe in anything supernatural however…

@@Sunny92809funny then that Christianity and sciance coexist so easily

Sometimes I find it somewhat painful to be around nonbelievers but it's since I can't stop imagining them being damned. It's hurtful because I love them and I know that even if I were a good preacher of the faith I couldn't save them all.

Southern Baptists wouldn't approve

can you explain why to become catholic(currently christian)? lots of what the church preaches is unbiblical the way i understand it. The bible says to forbid marriage is demonic(1timothy 4), but the priests are banned from it. The bible says that we should never make images of the lord(10 commandments), but you got crucifix's. Pretty sure Jesus said something about not making up rules, can't remember where though, and Jesus said in Matthew 6:7 not to repeat/babble on when praying like pagans who think if they keep repeating the lord will hear you better. I think the rosary fits into both of those categories. Not trying to be condescending or mean, just trying to learn your point of view and find out more of the truth.

@@timbonthuus1619 It isnt the truth

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@timbonthuus1619​​⁠​⁠​⁠1. Priests number 1 priority is Jesus and spreading the gospel, and having spouses would sometimes distract them from the grace of God, still not too sure though but thats what God intended i think, 2. I think you were speaking for “Thou shall make no idols” it meant dont make false idols and think theyre the real God, the crucifix means the sacrifice of Jesus’s and love 3. It said to not babble and repeat because God is all ears, hes willing to listen every time you speak hes not that type of God like “Work for it to get my attention” those are paganistic gods, God doesnt want that hes gonna listen no matter what just because he loves you, also thank you for not going for a mean stance quite rare in the atheistic world lol, you have a humble heart i suggest learning more about God and his goodness

@timbonthuus1619 I'll explain the making of images. There are two different types of images made in the Bible. There is the graven image that God forbids and the non graven image. we remember the story of the golden calf. The israelites made a golden calf to make their god. God was angry, and he punished them for that. Do you also remember the story of the building of the ark of the covenant and Solomon's temple? God told them to make a statue of cherubs(angels), which should be directly against the ten commandments, right? Well, no. The golden calf was wrong because they made an idol. They created something to call god and bow down to and worship. The cherubs, on the other hand, were imagery. Not for the purpose of worship. Catholics fall into the latter category. We don't worship the statues and icons cause they can neither see nor hear us. They are imagery that we use. Then for forbidding marriage. There actually was a group or groups of christian sects at the time that saw marriage and sex as immoral. The CC does not teach this. It encourages marriages. Marriage is even a sacrament, which means we believe that it gives grace. For priests; however, the life of a priest is not an easy one. When priests are not saying mass, they are praying(canonical hours) reading or visiting others. A priest's life is not stable. His bishop at any point in time can move him to a new parish or diocese. So what do you suppose his wife and kids do? Do they uproot their lives and move with him, or do they stay alone without him. I don't think it's fair to the wife or the kids. Even if they stay with him, with the busy life of a priest, he won't be able to give her the love and attention that is rightly hers. She might soon become an object of his pleasure. Only when he wants sex that he would make time, but other times he's too busy with his pastoral duties. Yes, it's not the same for everyone, and the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Eastern Catholics make it work, but what works for some would not always work for others. The CC acknowledges that Peter was married. According to CC traditions, Peter was a widower. But let's imagine for a second he was not. So Peter just left her all alone to follow Jesus. With him gone, there would be a significant drop in income. Things would become harder for her. Not only that, but she would be lonely without her husband. she also won't be protected(the same way that some girls put men shoes outside their doors even if there is no man in the house to deter robbers and other criminals). It's just not fair to the wives of these clerics. Even Paul says that it is better to stay unmarried. If you love your wife(which you are commanded to), your pastoral duties would be affected. If you focus on your duties, you might mistreat the wife God gave you. You need to a balance which not everyone can find.

@@timbonthuus1619About point 2 as Christians we'll agree that the ultimate meaning of life is but to answer God's call. This could (as it is for most people) involve starting a family, and then so be it; but if following the Lord's will eventually leads to full-time serving his Church, then It becomes acceptable even not to get married. And this leads back to Jesus himself, whose whole Life was devoted to serving the Father alone. To sum up, the way of marriage is not the only way, for even marriage is not of our making but a gift of His grace.

can you give an answer for both?

@@Bloxwie 1. Bad things happen because PEOPLE do them. You can't have free will without the potential for people to do bad things. (This is a very quick and rough answer to what in theology is called "the problem of evil" and if you or anyone else really wondered about it in good faith, there are hundreds of hours of better answers you could find. Start with Aquinas and go from there) 2. This is a simple matter of understanding what "axiom" means. Roughly, first principles, or working from a common definition. God is eternal and immaterial, so looking for material, temporal evidence of an eternal, immaterial God makes no sense. It is self-explanatory from the definitions. It's like asking for a 4-sided triangle, and then saying "well I guess geometry doesn't exist!"

@@billyumbraskey8135 what about things that are outsite of human's power like disease, mental conditions and genetic diabilities? and if you look at it at on a grand scale, god already the start and the end of the universe, so he planned every single evil thing in the world. why would he do that?

@@billyumbraskey8135 also about the evidence of god, if god is all loving of its people why cant he make it clear to us, and what about the peolle who will never hear about chrstianity like tribal people, they deserve to go to infinite hellfire because an religion across the world from them doesnt reach them? why would he let half of humanity in hell just because he dont want to make it clear that he exist and he wants worship?

@@Bloxwie it is clear. if you ask God to come into your heart *IN GOOD FAITH* He will. the problem is you, not God. You are in a state of rebellion, and devotion to your own ego and intellect, demanding things of God to satisfy your petty human desires. You (and every atheist in this state) have it backwards: you ought to be searching for how to serve God. All the questions you are asking have answers, you just don't bother to honestly seek them out. You want to use them as a dunk on me, as a gotchya to weaponize against other people of faith, instead of actually doing the work of studying the Bible and the many thousands of philosophers and theologians who have them. As far as disasters and disease, who can understand the will of God? No one, really. We are not meant to be invulnerable or to live forever. This is again sort of a dishonest approach. Another way of asking thse same questions is "why does fire burn?" "Why can't we breathe water" or other axiomatically silly things. Butthe real problem is in how these are being asked. Not in good faith, searching for truth, but in a way to demand a satisfaction of your limited human intellect and when that standard can't be met, "welp! no God!" There would neverbe an answer good enough. I can't give you thousands of years of theology and philosophy in a youtube comment. You have to do the work if you really want to know. If you're just trying to come up with "gotchyas" then congratulations, you got me! Wow! You did it! You solved the oldest and most pressing questions of philosophy in a youtube comment! Impressive. LMFAO

Let's hope 😂

can you explain why to become catholic? lots of what the church preaches is unbiblical the way i understand it. The bible says to forbid marriage is demonic(1timothy 4), but the priests are banned from it. The bible says that we should never make images of the lord(10 commandments), but you got crucifix's. Pretty sure Jesus said something about not making up rules, can't remember where though, and Jesus said in Matthew 6:7 not to repeat/babble on when praying like pagans who think if they keep repeating the lord will hear you better. I think the rosary fits into both of those categories. Not trying to be condescending or mean, just trying to learn your point of view and find out more of the truth.

@@timbonthuus1619 thanks for being respectful to answer your first point it's more of an obligation to God and devotion and is no way demonic And the 2nd point is actually interpreting the scripture and seeing how God forbids something the 3th part is just an act of worship to the Lord and also asking Mary through the Holy Spirit to pray for us

nice

@benextraanimates7398 where in the bible does it say that mary can hear you? Where does it say that if she can hear you she will pray for you? And where does it instruct us to do so?

The heart is an organ that pumps blood I don't think the heart has the ability to feel and also stop trying to push off people's disbelief in your god as emotional rather than intellectual and come up with something new rather citing the same old fucking bible verse which isn't even talking about atheists so please stop

Well gravity isn’t alive

We dont worship science...

But they use science to guide through a godless universe, while we use it to show Gods wonderful creation, fallen or not.

Just a joke

What happens when Jesus takes the wheel?

@@June28July normally good things, actually good things all of the time from personal experience

I will say this as a Christian. Your argument does make sense and I can see why you’d believe it because it is very compelling. But let me say this, it is better to believe than not to believe. Because if there is a God and if you don’t believe or live an honorable life, and said God requires that you do so, it would be a lot harder to get into an afterlife (or heaven) then if you did believe and live an honorable life.

bro got brainwashed by david wood and apostate prophet 💀

Welcome to Christianity! ✝❤

What does Communism have to do with gnosticism

​@@briandiehl9257they're both silly

@@calico.5588 that's like saying that pineapple on pizza being silly and gambling being silly means they are suddenly directly related.

Same, lol. I see a post from Redeemed Zoomer. I click it.

Funny because I've had the complete opposite experience throughput my life.

Ikr! I'm in a really far left mostly atheist server, the people there are very horny and are basically stereotypical discord mods... they keep making jokes mocking Christianity and mocking women. D: I don't check the server often because it is so toxic but even the one active user there who is Christian ends up mocking all the other denominations... yeah I don't think he's even Christian he is very left. While irl at church, people are actually really nice! :D

@@jarrettlowery2802sorry to hear that. I probably just found a really good group of people or something, Church isn’t a museum for saints anyways, it is more of a hospital for sinners.

Those evangelicals that talk about how inaccurate Argon rock dating is are actually spittin scientifically so

Ultra Chad Adventures of Thomas the Train fan

But being Christian at that time was the norm in Europe. Next to all children were indoctrinated to varying degrees into the faith, and being non-Christian could get you into some serious trouble.

@@zoushuu I know. I think it was Archbishop Ussher who had an unofficial stance on creationism that Kepler and Newton both subscribed to.

@@zoushuu but I’m still very much like Newton on my beliefs. Hope you know that. Sincerely, OWM 😃

Your statement is true, but outside the context of if God wants human free will and autonomy. God could probably stop all human evil and make it so that we could only do good. However, this would come at the cost of human free will, meaning that we would not be capable of committing evil, but at the same time, doing whatever is good (again, what is good is disagreed upon but we recognize there are some common ideas of kindness, love, generosity, justice, etc.) If God creates humans to only be able to do one thing, that means he has created a set of puppets or playtoys. So either God must create beings with free will with the possibility of evil, or create no beings with free will. The latter would be a meaningless creation, and God would be creating, well, meaningless things. Even if humans without freewill did "good" things, it means nothing without freedom, as humans would not choose that, it would just be God doing it (sort of like how a person with toys inputs actions into their toys, and the toys do nothing). Here is a Christian response to the problem of evil (from a website article, which I can share to you if you would like to see a way more detailed explanation than mines), as written by Epicurus, that is commonly brought up: [Begin quote] "Is God willing to prevent evil, but unable to? Then he is not omnipotent." Answer: God is willing to limit evil and has acted to do just that. So, He is still omnipotent. "Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent." Answer: God is able, but not willing, to abolish our free will. So, He is still omnibenevolent. "Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?" Answer: God has acted to defeat evil. Evil comes simply when we fall short of His will. "Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Answer: God is not willing to prevent our free will. (Our) disapproval does not make Him any less God. [End quote] This of course does not mean much if there is no God or if there is no belief in God, as there is no God to criticize or not standard to criticize Him with. But it does refute the idea that there cannot be a God that can be both omnipotent, omnibelevolent, and allow evil at the same time. God can and does (according to the Christian texts) respond to human evil multiple times. So this refutes the idea that God is passive in response to evil. And it is noted that He has provided a solution for that evil (whether we trust in it or not, that does not matter). He does these things without infringing on the human free will. So I suppose other questions rise such as "does God do too much?" Or "does God not do too much?" Or "do I agree or like God's methods?" But these are ultimately us making judgements about God according to our own ideas of morality. These alone do not refute the possibility of God being omnipotent and omnibelevolent at the same time. The answers to Epicurus's questions could be countered by saying that if God is omnipotent, then he should surely be able to make humans with free will that are only capable of good. But this is a contradiction, or a paradox. A paradox is not possible, whether we are an ant, or the highest divine being. A paradox is nothing, or impossible in all scenarios because it is illogical. Christians (and other religions maybe) say that "God can do all things." It must be emphasized that God can do "all possible things." What is logically impossible is, well, impossible. Again, you can disagree with the existence of God or how God acts, but the main point is that regardless of that, an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God that allows evil can exist.

I think it’s as simple as, God knows that at the end, there I’ll be greater things for us than this life. He will either stop the rain instantly, or see that with it will come a rainbow. We choose to sin everyday, subconsciously we sin too. But God grants us a way out, not by having the best life ever, but by being able to have peace amongst the storm. That’s at least how I see it, from a biblical point of view.

I agree they just say because it’s in the book then it’s the truth. It bothered me that he just glossed over the science vs religion argument at the start. God didn’t create the earth in 6 days. Eve wasn’t created from Adam’s rib. Then they argue that is not supposed to be literal. Then when you bring up another argument they argue against it using verses in a literal sense.

@@yokie8201 finally someone who understands

Man...

I know a few catholics that do not believe in evolution, but I do, as I do not think everything in the bible should be taken in an extreme literal way.

@@jacobinator4981the bible was written in the way that many stories were at the time, and it was considered cultured to reference events in examples through mythical tales. The bible tells real events in a mythical way

@@anthroimperzia3927 yes exactly

Science fills in the gaps of our knowledge of the universe that gods used to fill.

@@-gemberkoekje-5547 Plural?

I'm sorry what? from your experience of 1 Christian school, you've concluded that all Christian students are happy to go to a Christian school, while all the nonbelievers are terrified? even if your experience matches every other school, that's still a massive issue, why are Christian schools so terrifying for nonbelievers?

@@cediviannareeda4305 I've been to two, actually. And both me and multiple friends don't follow the faith, at least not exactly. Either way, it's anecdotal evidence- but that's all I can provide, really. Just my two cents.

@@YouCanCallMeIz even so, I hope you see the problem with a school that students are terrified to go to simply because of what they do or don't believe.

Doesn’t it just mean a Christian who evangelizes? Which is what we’re called to do??

@@Cozitto That's what I thought it meant.

People often use the term Evangelical interchangeably with Fundamentalist, hence the negative connotation.

@@ChristiFuturum Well honestly I don't get the negative connotation with Fundamentalist either... Wouldn't a fundamentalist be someone who just believes the fundamentals of Christianity and the Bible?

Both evangelical and fundamentalist have become meaningless words. Evangelical can apply to everyone from Joel Osteen to John MacArthur. I doubt most people who use fundamentalist in a negative way know what The Fundamentals are (a series of essays which fundamentalists got their name from).

It’s not a difficult concept to grasp. I resent Voldemort, but I don’t believe he exists. I would resent the idea of Voldemort a lot more if his character portrayal in a story had a large following of people that were trying to push the teaching of wizardry in public schools along side science, actively aiding in the spread of disease by preventing use of contraceptives or vaccines, and giving the silliest arguments for how Voldemort actually exists and he loves you, but do X to please Him or you’ll suffer forever in Azkaban.

@mcfarvo I swear when can Christians open their eyes and just drop the "atheists hate god" stereotype like no we don't resent your god since that would suggest or implie his existence no your targeting misotheists not atheists

We resent being tricked by God people. If you met someone who never heard of God stuff, they would not be miserable.

What if I told you that emotions are almost inherently irrational. Not that atheists are typically angry at god, btw......

The Christian religion believes in an eternal uncreated everlasting creator/generator/cause/eminent This is the most logical conception within human limits of how intelligence came to be. The answer being it always was. Any atheistic idea of cosmology necessarily believes in magic because evolution of intelligence logically presupposes that intelligence didn’t exist and then it did. For something to not and be and then be requires magical thinking. Even if you posit that it’s a function of complexity it once wasn’t and then it was. From there the personhood of Jesus can be argued

Hi there. So what interests you the most about Christianity?

​@@off6848Abiogenesis might be of interest to you. Intelligence as you speak of it didn't just randomly manifest one day. Life went through many, many steps to get where it is today. The first organic matter by no means was intelligence, even in a broad sense. Anyway, your argument of emergent properties just doesnt work. It would be unreasonable to say that a table couldn't have come from a tree because the table doesnt share any traits with the tree.

Depending on what is holding you back from believing in Jesus, you may consider looking into the historicity of Jesus (and other Biblical accounts that historians/archeologists didn't believe until they discovered them) as a starting point. To me today, I know for a fact Jesus is real, and I know for a fact he did and said what he did. I know this in part because Pontius Pilate was really pressured by the Pharisees to kill him for what he was doing and saying. The hard part for many people is believing that he is God and that he performed miracles including rising from the dead. To that I say his followers that spread the message died gruesome deaths and had no motives or gain to come from it. They only got pain and suffering for being a Christ follower. One of them was skinned and crucified upside down. They didn't gain money, power, sex, etc. Which is what humans do anything for.

hey, I'm an Atheist. these answers aren't perfect, a fair few are factually incorrect, I invite you to find the best arguments from the other side.

@@cediviannareeda4305 you will never convince someone to change their mind just based on a comment. they cant prove god exists, so why would they need to prove facts exist? everything is made by god, and god is all knowing. so god made you say that. apparently. circular arguments all day.

@@VD-cc4hx I'm… not trying to convince them with one comment, I'm trying to convince them by beckoning them to better Atheist works, I don't know what comment of mine you were reading. As for your other argument… I highly encourage you to find better Atheist works as well, because this is simply a bad argument, and you should educate yourself before you continue being so proudly incorrect. I say again, cuz you seem to have trouble reading, Atheists have made videos on why that argument is bad, and they're not hard to find, so find them.

Same, when I see Christians comment,, Jesus is the only God!! Turn to him!! 🥺🥺", I believe even less in god.

great, when you're done with that, I invite you to find the best atheists have to offer, and not just 10 second soundbites.

@@cediviannareeda4305 Yes. I assume that athiests bring their best to their opening statements and rebuttals during debates. If not, I would appreciate it if you would point me towards the best.

@@Dave_Parrott I'm sorry, you assume wrong, debates are theatre, not discourse. Philosophy, literary critique and the sciences weren't made for intuitive quick-fire arguments. If you're not challenged by your opponents points, then you should go deeper, at least to understand why they find it convincing, that's why I'm here, watching this video. I recommend Paulogia's deconversion story along with any other video of his that tickles your fancy, I think it's all great. With arguments that take a bit more than laughing off to be faith boosting. Paul himself says that if you come away feeling more faithful after properly considering what he says, then he's perfectly happy with that.

@@cediviannareeda4305 Thank you. I have watched several of his videos before, but not that one.

❤🙏!

you must have been very misinformed to begin with then, because this absolutely isn't the best of Atheism, also plenty of it is just factually wrong