A lot of young men today who identify as Christians or are considering Christianity, are under influence of Jordan Peterson's ideas about religion. It would be nice if you would share your thoughts on it. upvote so redeemed zoomer sees this comment

"You can be saved with bad theology, but you can't be saved without a relationship with Jesus Christ." Preach it, Zoomer!

Professing themselves to be based, they became cringe.

As a young Catholic convert, this is 100% true, and I see it all the time mostly online. This is something that many people my age who "convert" to Catholicism and especially Orthodoxy suffer with. They convert for all the wrong reasons because these religions are based, yet they never pray, never go to Church, and never interact with anyone else for the betterment of the Kingdom. and usually they'll grow out of their fad after 3 months once they see a "based" Muslim and then start the whole process again with Islam. All while never entering a Church.

I am reading the Bible in a year. This should be a goal for all Christians.

If you are an Orthodox catechumen, do not emulate those peers you see on the internet. Emulate Christ and lives of the church fathers. Otherwise you will never grow or become ready for true baptism - because when things get hard, and they will, you won't have the proper foundation to stand through them.

This is why in the Dutch reformed church we really push for young people to be catechized and then push for church membership. We need members who are dedicated to their faith and community, as well as be held accountable to the church.

As orthodox christian, I think we must educate new members of our church so they really know what orthodoxy about, and don't be orthodox just because it's "based" or "chad"(even if it is)) but because their faith

"if someone's in a North Korean labor camp, you could *maybe* excuse them from going to church" lol

In a nutshell, get yourself to a local church and be part of the community there.

last Friday I went to a church for the first time in months. I've never felt better after this

Exactly bro. One cannot grow as a Christian without a strong foundation rooted in scripture.

"Christian as an aesthetic" that's a term I use a lot. I was once interested in dating this girl whom I worked with, however, though she acted nice and claimed to be a Christian and went to a bible study, she was really quite shallow, and often used her faith as a way to belittle everyone else. One of my other co-workers advised against me dating her, and even described her as a "Christian For The Aesthetic" and I'm glad that I had those wise voices in my life to lead me along the right path. Since then, I've become stronger in my faith, I've learned to look out for people like this. I've also become closer friends with a girl at my church who actually exemplifies the qualities of a Godly woman. As for the men claiming to be Orthodox or Catholic just because its "trad and based" I'd say that that's just the Christian equivalent of the redpilled movement really, just like you said. They're just jumping on the hype train because it's different, despite not knowing what the Bible actually says. It's sorta like those teenage communists who only believe in communism because they heard some propaganda, and not because they've read the works of Marx. These kids are prone to changing their political beliefs the second they become exposed to another ideology. I see these Christian LARPers in the same light. And for the 6th example, I used to be one of those people. I didn't know how to pray, and I didn't understand why I needed to. I used it as a "break glass in case of emergency" type of thing. But in the past 2 years I realized that I couldn't just say these things, but not have a personal relationship with God. Before bed, I like praying, reading my bible, and reading a good theological book. And often I'll pray in order to start my morning off right. I'm glad you pointed this out. I think we need to point out these hypocrisies to become stronger as the Body of God.

I think it also reflects a larger issue --- that _everything_ is an aesthetic and trend. Perhaps due to the desperation of wanting to be in a group. Readers have the same problem. Academics, too. People care more about _looking like_ they participate in something, than actually participating in it.

We Christians who are involved in our local churches do need to work on our aesthetics as well. Masculine pursuits and physical fitness are good things a Christian should incorporate into their lives and would help build rapport with young men hungry for Godly manhood

Im saved because as a kid I was almost crushed to death by a lightpole, and it stop inches above me. It opened my eyes to his eyes and protection

They change their denomination and doctrine depending on the edits they got on their fyp

I used to be very annoying, I was one of those guys who would argue with people just because they didn't believe in the same thing, I used to think what I was saying was right, but then I realized. 1. I was being a degenerate to everyone. And 2. I was flat out wrong half the time. But thanks to videos like this, I've learned to be a better person, and to stop arguing about such stupid things, and to stop shoving Jesus down people's throats. And, looking back, I'm ashamed of myself, because I looked like one of those fake Christians. I don't even know why I'm typing all of this though, nobody's probably going to read it all. But if you did, thanks :) Also enough about my dumb life story. But you make really good videos. I'm gonna binge watch them later

Catholic here. I think you couldn't be more right about people who basically are only Christians on the internet. I think it may be correlated with the problem of just society in general living their whole lives on the internet. The other thing I'd say is that Catholicism and Orthodoxy and how you bring up the idea that they may not have as good of a "personal" relationship with God is that in some ways I think you're right and we should work on that, in some ways I think you're wrong, and in some ways I think you're right but it's actually a good thing. For instance, we see God as clearly above us - His Fatherhood is much greater than your dad's fatherhood, if you get what I'm saying. I think there should be some formality there. The other thing I'd say is that I think the problem of people rambling without any relationship with God is most prevalent in the very low-church Protestants who will be attacking Catholics all over KZfaq comment sections talking about how they're not Christian for not accepting sola fide but meanwhile demonstrating almost no Christian charity in their discussions. It's a problem to be found all over.

I've never understood why people just type "become orthodox". Surely it would be far better for them to write "become orthodox because (reasons they came closer to God in the orthodox church, how orthodoxy helped them grow their faith etc.)" No one is gonna become orthodox because someone typed "become orthodox" with no further explanation, it comes off as self righteous even if that wasn't the intention.

I don't consider myself Orthodox. I look into it and see the good things they do. I am not Orthodox on the basis I haven't even become a catechumen. I want to be Orthodox, but I know that I am not yet.

I am Christian and have been my entire life, but recently haven’t been going to Church recently this video has really made me realize I need to start going again. Very informative, thank you.

Pastor Bob will restore the trve apostolic faith

If one is truly Christian, denomination is secondary.

I wish more Christians would actually attend on Sundays, at least.

We're all gonna make it brahs 👍

Can’t call yourself orthodox without the priest knowing your name

I was chrismated into the Orthodox Church this January after about half a year of IRL catechesis (This is aside the point, but all of my close family happily attended my chrismation, and that was a great comfort to me :D ). Some priests have a year-long catechism, and the most hardcore patristic era style catechesis lasts three years! So, I can definitely say the Orthodox do their best to lead inquirers toward becoming genuine Christians. I'm sure you've seen Orthodox priests admonish LARPers online as well, "come and see" being the most straightforward adage.

Young people are missing out a ton of happiness by just larping as christians. Going every sunday to mass and helping my church has been a source of happiness since the day I went back

I'm an orthodox catechumen who came in contact with your channel through Kyle and I'm enjoying the genuineness of your content, larping needs to stop indeed.

Larping in some cases could lead to be abused for actually evil groups to actively help them into doing sin too. A year ago a small church opened near my friends house he told me they we're just larpers as they abide to most of those features you exposed in the video, they never tought something could be wrong in it. Until some day the church was completely surrounded by the Army and the national guard. It turns out that just like that synagoge in NYC, below the church there was fully ventilated tunnel that crossed from México to the USA, and it was used by cartels to smuggle drugs and people between countries, all that while the belivers that went there never suspected anything because they never went further away than just larping.

A huge larping is when young people wear cross necklaces but aren’t even Christian at all

I was finally able to go to church yesterday (mainly because I keep handicapping myself) and it was fun, they have a Bible study group on Wednesdays and we're even doing a food drive soon

Agree whole heartedly here. I'm glad young men are finding the church, but we need depth of PRACTICE of the faith.

As an Evangelical myself, you made a good point. I do need to be speaking with our Heavenly Father more often than I do.

Because I feel like it, I'm going to go over the points and see if I'm a cringe larper 1. Theological debating without the Bible. I don't really debate much, but I do occasionally ask other Christians on Discord about verses that sound strange. I am also trying my best to read at least a few chapters of the Bible per day. 2. "Trad" Christianity without church. I am personally very lucky to have a church less than a mile from where I live, which has not been completely ruined by the theological liberalism of my country's state church denomination. If anything I ought to be more grateful to God that the specific church has for the most part done its job. And yes I go to church as frequently as I can. 3. While I do of course attend a Lutheran church as a Lutheran, that is more because me identifying as a Lutheran comes from attending said church, plus there are things I agree with Presbyterians on instead of Lutherans (such as evolution), so I guess I am a little guilty in that regard. 4. I've from time to time thought about whether I should belong in another denomination, but despite that I've always identified as Protestant (and Lutheran once I learned the differences between the Protestant denominations), for as long as I was a Christian. 5. Okay yeah I am guilty of this, in the sense that I do a bad job of being a loving person. 6. Half guilty there. I do pray, but not as much as I could, which means I probably don't pray as much as I should. 7. I do go to church, as mentioned in points 2 and 3, but besides that, college, job between college semesters and the band I'm in, a lot of everything I do is internet related, so I'll say I'm half guilty here. So 2 of 7 larping points. I'll have to work on those flaws.

There are so many Christians on Discord who aren't a member of a church and it drives me crazy

Just wanna say your content is a breath of fresh air. The theological debating without love point is something I've encountered often. It often comes across that people are more concerned with having the exact right doctrine than they are about loving God. (I'm painting with a broad brush here.) It seems that theological triage is completely out the window and every issue is do or die. I don't agree with my church on 100% of doctrine, but what keeps me there is the community. It's helped me learn what issues are salvation issues, fellowship issues, and very minor theological disagreements. Above all that, it's helped me learn how to theologically disagree with my brothers and sisters in Christ in a loving manner. Keep up the good work man. God bless.

As a 13 year old orthodox from birght who read the bible i can only say: cool video, don't really like how in the firsts couple of minutes you target orthodoxy so much but sadly lots of "orthodox" people do stuff like that

As an Eastern Orthodox, there ain’t no orthodox churches in my city(Shenzhen) I can only go to the churches in Hong Kong, It’s quite difficult.

There are many who (young and old) are keen to tell others how to practice Christianity, but not many keen to show others how to be a Christian. Im always short of people who greet others at Church, vacuum the building, pray for others, help with the service sheets, read scripture, play music, sing loudly, turn up regularly, give encouragement to those serving…lets encourage people to practice Christianity in person…not via a keyboard. Actually it is not just from the keyboard, I have come across too many Street preachers …keen to tell people about Christianity…yet when I asked them what Church do they direct people? too sadly many don’t think about this, (especially out of town street preachers)…keen to make a noise…not that keen to disciple people longer than 5mins it seems. 😢

Although different, I feel there's another type of LARPing that has been a thing in the United States, mainly in the rural south and mid-west, for a long time and that's the cultural Christians. People who go to church every Sunday, or most Sundays, and will tell you they are a Christian, but don't actually know God. They go to church because it's what you do in their culture, and to them that's all being a Christian is. I'm from Appalachia, and that is definitely a thing here. People will tell you they're a Christian because they go to church, believe God exists, and vote Republican, but don't actually know Jesus.

If you’re claiming to be a Christian, you need to be going to a church. Doesn’t mean you agree with all they say if they sometimes spout crap (and they often do), but you still need to go. Where else can you get the sacraments? Also, you’ll probably find fellow Christian’s who you can interact with.

personally i've found that the best thing for me was seeing the worst side of religion first growing up, having an bad reaction and becoming one of those edgy r/atheism types in highschool, and circling around out of that and finding my place in a better sort of middle ground, as it left me with no illusions of my faith being misguided nor just for show. larping is done with people who need direction for their faith, which is abused both by bad faith actors and people who focus too much on "just having faith" without worry about what faith actually means. joining my small town's humble old church filled mostly with older people has been the best for me as its been slow and sure to rebranding my faith to be closer to what christ actually intended and not some cherry picked bible verse used to justify crappy actions.

I'd like to add one more to your list. "Get off the freakin secondary issue debate treadmill!" Here's what I'm talking about and it plays into what I may be doing on my own channel. I was raised as a nominal Catholic and I eventually became a firm believer in Jesus. Yes, I am saved by what Jesus did for me on the Cross. It's a gift and not something I earned. That's in '91. I soon walked into the wonderful world of Pentecostalism and quickly learned that I needed to get a firm foundation in what I believed. By Zoomer's standard, I'm a "0" when it comes to being a conservative. Yet, I do hold to key traditional views of Christianity. Unlike some people in my circle, I've no problem learning theology and learned to treat it, with a grain of salt. Do you know when I discovered "Calvinism" and the infamous TULIP? 2024. It just never came up on my radar. Now, I'm seeing it all over the place. If you're fimly rooted in the love of Christ Jesus and have a history of prayer, spending time in Scripture and a good local church then it's okay to look at such debate. However, I have to say the opposite for new or young Christians. Stay away from such debates for it will do more harm than good. The situation is made worse with some of these YT theologians who forget that their not just talking to mature believers. It's also reaching new Christians who are not equipped to deal with such issues.

Nailed it, brother. I know too many people (even family members) who fit into these categories.

I become Orthodox because of wrong reasons and stayed for god

pro tip for people considering catholiscisn or orthodoxy (as am i) DO NOT CALL YOURSELF ORTHODOX/CATHOLIC UNTIL YOU ARE BAPTISED AND CHRISMATED (also you have a point aboht most larpers being catholics or othodox we have to fix that)

Bro that outro music slapped, great video as always

you mention that you have presbetyrian heritage like thats relevant. My parents are both athiests 3 of my uncles are "Satanists" and the only christian in my familiy other than me is my grandmother. Yet i still found my way to Christ and i continue to pray for my them and love them. Heritage has nothing to do with it. LOVE your content BTW keep fighting the good fight bro🤝

12:30 moving to Japan and addopting their culture and values wouldn't make you japanese, being closely related to a japanese person would. What truely makes a person part a tribe is blood, the cultural habits of a tribe are the result the environment the tribe resides in and how they interact with the other tribes around them. The idea that someone can just move to a different country and copy the behaviour of the natives and then be considered equal to the man who was born in the country, lived there all his life and can trace his family lineage back a millenium to the ancient tribes that the country used to be is false.

Ok, on the other hand, larping can turn into the real deal. Certainly larping Satanists often turn into the real thing, and I think it can happen for Christians too. Just encourage them to take one step at a time to go from "based" to "based on the word of God", and overlook their cringe moments.

Deciding to abandon the idea of becoming Orthodox was an overall good idea. I can't afford to "larp" anymore. ✝️

'salvation is by faith alone', proceeds to promote a works-based salvation

As an Eastern Orthodox, I've seen a large influx of young (teens to 20 year olds) converting to our faith. I think it is amazing. I also see that these converts (some, not all) are very excited about joining our faith, and often like to talk about it on discord or social media. They see people like Kyle, Jay Dyer and David Erhan (amazing youtubers for Orthodoxy) and try to mimic them and "debate" with other people. I think the idea of them trying to show their faith is good, but some do this when they have been baptized last week. For this reason, I think the Orthodox take the hit for some of this, but it isn't anything we can really do except do what Zoomer has said in this video, leave that stuff to the older people who are more versed in this sort of thing. Excellent video Zoomer, keep them coming. I'd love to see a video explaining why you aren't Orthodox yet (lol) since you do seem to show interest in traditional Protestantism. Much love, God bless.

Although i do attend church just not regularly because of work i found this convicting because I find myself engaging more online than actually doing research more myself. I dont debate nor will i because im humble enough to know i have a lot of growing to do before i can ever consider myself able to teach anyone anything. Thank your for your work. I needed this.

14:08 - Has anyone been through this? Guys, I realized that I fit into this LARPER category, "Doctrine without Love". Since I converted (1 year ago) I have been delving deeper into the sacred scriptures, but instead of preaching the gospel, share my faith to others, I often just focus on apologetics and debate them, trying to convince them by arguments alone. But the problem is worse than that, in fact the reason for trying to convince people this way is because I don't consider God as a person, but rather as an idea to think about (and an ideia to inspire me to do good stuff, just like a liberal using christianity to do social justice, and as he said in the video, I do not treat Jesus as a person to know). I don't usually pray, but is because I don't think God would answer me, because I treat him as an idea. See it's like a dead end since I don't develop personal relationships because I don't pray and I don't pray because "God is not a person". I read the Bible, watch videos, read theology articles, looking for a rational argument to convince myself that God is indeed personal and not just an idea, but it doesn't seem to improve the situation, it's just as if I'm getting even more "intellectual" in the "God philosophy". I know that God is personal because the Bible says he is a person and I believe in the Bible rationally, but I don't act as if I actually believe it. It's as if I have two minds, because I believe 100% in the Bible but my "other mind" realizes that in fact I rationally believe in the Bible as if it were a science or a philosophy, purely intellectual. How to get out of this, has anyone been through this? Of course I will talk to my local pastor about this, but I just wanted to share and see if anyone has ever found themselves lost in this situation. Note: I converted from another religion that treats God in this exact same way, as an impersonal consciousness, maybe I'm just taking some time to recognize the true God and let go of old beliefs. Still, I'm intrigued by this, I'm grateful that this video pointed out this situation, because I didn't realize on my own that I was thinking and acting this way

As a Catholic, you are saved by faith

I’m an agnostic only because I can’t decide which denomination I belong in, due to ADHD. Most denominations have good reasons for joining, and sound theologies. The only thing I am certain of is that those low-church, Baptist/Non-denominational and Evangelical churches are not for me.

You have an amazing channel Redeemed Zoomer, coming from an old lady who is 36 🙏🙌😊 I always learn how to communicate theology from you (I've got Asperger's so it's hard to communicate for me at times). God bless you young man. Jesus is King!

These are really great points. I will admit that I started my conversion to Catholicism by going to Traditional Latin Masses for the novelty (while also reading Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy lol), but here I am almost a year later and seriously considering the priesthood. The trad aesthetic is a really valuable tool for evangelization, and that is a hill I will die on, however disciplines and traditions are supposed to serve the purpose of reconverting your heart daily. I pray a rosary daily, and even though I get distracted sometimes, I am more likely to have a more organic conversation thereafter with God on the days that I do than on the days that I don't. The only caveat I would add is in the first point. I agree with studying the Scriptures to inform our theology, but sometimes debates just happen even if we don't plan for them, like one I had with a Jehova's Witness yesterday. I knew most of the Scriptural arguments for why Jesus is God, but when I'm at a loss in the moment, as a Catholic, I'm able to dogmatically defer to the authority of *the* Church's teaching authority if my own apologetics are insufficient. Of course, if you're a Protestant, we'll have to agree-to-disagree on that point. But basically, the Church says he is God, and that works for me if I'm not clever enough at the moment. That's literally what we're supposed to do as Catholics, anyway. If we want to know about Jesus, the Apostles and their immediate successors are a great place to start, and even if Protestants don't assent to the Church fathers in an ecclesial sense, pretty much all Christians agree that the Apostles and their immediate successors are a good place to start if you want to know about Jesus, and sometimes, depending on the specific theological topic, their writings and the creeds are clearer and easier to understand than the Scriptures themselves. That of course is no substitute for the Scriptures, but we need help interpreting them, and when I'm challenged on the spot, *the* Church's dogmas are what I will use if I'm not clever enough with Scripture at the moment. As for the part about love, I was really moved by Catholic Social Teachings during my formation, and I feel like I'm hammering the nails into Christ's hands everytime I don't help a homeless person. At the same time, I can't resist the temptation to make snarky comments in online debates. I do this not so much out of a lack of charity as much as wanting to impress people with wittiness and sophistry lol. That's still a problem, but it's not so much from a lack of charity.

There are definately a lot of young men who have made being trad their fad. You can spot them a mile away too, so many of them have really warped and backwards views of Christianity and what tradition actually means. It bothers me, for two reasons both ultimately rooted in concern for peoples relationship with God, but born form two different lenses. The first lens being political, Fascism and other Socialist ideologies (Excl;uding Communism, at least until it reaches it's collapse stage and needs some means of retaining legitimacy) love wrapping themselves in a thin vinear of tradition, but are broadly movements which seek to appropriate the aesthetic of cultural tradition to promote authoritarian control. I.E. they have no interests in the traditions, or ideals of a culture beyond how they can be used as a means to shape that culture to their own ends. This could result in a form of "Far Right" coopting of Christian tradition, in the same vain as what the Progressives have been attempting to do with Progressive Christianity. Heresy at best, replacing God with the idea of god as a symbol of the state at worst, either way vapid mysticism will replace deep religiosity. The other is cultural that I lived thru the 2014-2018 period where many Millinials moved Rightward, as did many Zoomers. But around 2019, there was a shift back Leftwards. This is because many where rebelling against their predominantly Left Wing parents, but ultimately "grew out of it" they never really engaged with the arguments to understand. They where again only wrapping themselves in the trappings of conservatism to upset Leftists. However, many are now staunch leftists writing off all Conservative though as little more than the childish rebellion they experienced. The though of that occurring with Christianity is deeply troubling on a level that it occurring in the field of politics could never even come close to.

Conviction hits hard on the 5th point

Hi Zoomer, thank you for making this video. I guess it's an important warning for me. I'm a Lutheran-style larper who reads a little theology + little to no Bible (I've read more Luther than Bible) and still likes to tell people what orthodox beliefs and a holy way of life are. I even go so far as "teaching" people about the nature of God even though I know so little about him 😓 Of course I haven't attended a church service in 1/2 year. I'm really just trying to craft myself an identity. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in God and I pray, too, but neither do I trust Him with my life nor do I take much time to learn about Him. I'm a hypocrite and I basically use God to impress others 😞 It has to do with my mental health issues, but I know that's not an excuse. Someone pray for me, please 😞

As someone who wants to attend an Orthodox church (the reason I say that instead of calling myself an "orthodox christian" is because I'm not baptized yet), I agree with what you say about "people who identify as Orthodox yet haven't even attended a Liturgy." I see a lot of "Orthodox trad" people on the Internet but whenever I ask them if they've attended a Liturgy, they just say they're like twelve and they can't go to a church? I tell people about my want to attend a Liturgy, and overall just reading the Bible and I can't wait to be able to attend a Liturgy, and I'm glad I haven't fallen into the "using icons as profile pictures, having theological debates with no knowledge" stereotype for 'Orthodox' people on the internet.

i really like the analogy of denominations being like countries. it makes it seem less like "omg, which denomination is the right one?!" and more like "these are all just different ways of serving God." and that's the kind of message we need to support the unity of the Church.

I was born a Protestant but my family and I converted to Catholicism because my dad was already Catholic and my mom wanted to be one. I’ve noticed that the community I’m in, within my Catholic school at least, is much more serious about the religion than my old school and I’m very grateful for it. I also really appreciate my church community because all of my family members are in it

In undergrad there was an SDA larper. He watched this SDA channel and just parroted everything that guy said. Me and my friends, protestant and catholic, got together and just nuked his arguments until he stopped talking to us.

Nice video! Very humbling. I had to look myself in the mirror because a few things you said really hit home. God bless you my brother!

doing this just to justifie him not liking coverts to catholic and orthodocs and banning them from his discord

Good and fair comments, brother. I appreciate the humility with which you presented this. You did better than I might have!

Also, one strong appeal to Orthodox is its strong consistency. In a modern world with protestant churches always changing, some promoting gay marriage and other woke or liberalism agendas, its nice to be apart of something that is changeless and has consistently practiced the faith going on for nearly 2,000 years.

A big problem with orthodox churches in America is that, for complicated reasons. there is no American Orthodox Church. For historical reasons American Orthodox Christians fall under the Moscow Patriarchate. However the Moscow Patriarch granted autocephaly to American Orthodox churches, however however he can't really do that. The result is that there isn't any strong authority over the churchs. This has become a problem because a lot of the Orthodox people who founded churches in America were Immigrants, and have been allowed to use the church as a sort of cultural club, a link to the old country. As a result Orthodox Churches in America are sometimes not welcoming to those who don't share that ethnic link. This is further compounded by the lack of orthodox churches overall. Of the 380k churches in America only 2000 are Orthodox.

zoomer, I do not know if you read comments, but if you do I would really appreciate it if you made a video about how your dad became religious. I also come from a non-Christian family, and I would like to bring my family to the faith, but I do not know of anyway I could do that.

❤❤❤❤I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $130k every 4weeks! I now have a good house and can now afford anything and also support my family

I rejected Orthodoxy for a long time and remained Anglican. It wasn’t until I decided to go to a Vespers at an orthodox church near me when I really started looking into it and now I want to become Orthodox. I’m not even in the catechumen and I can’t go anywhere for now since I am too young but I really love Orthodoxy and not for LARP purposes, I think those people are cringe

And so your crusade against apostolic continue huh. Just because someone doesn’t attend an Orthodox Church doesn’t mean they’ve not been convinced of the legitimacy of our claim and are now learning all they can. Yes, of course they should attend a church, but often there aren’t any in their area or they are children and can’t get their parents to bring them. You constantly calling them LARPers is just cope in seeing a bunch of people recognize Orthodoxy as true.

Hearing about a bunch of people trying to claim being a part of something through seeing one or two things alone makes me glad I'm growing up in a conservative-baptist household and go to church every Sunday with my great-grandparents.

Orthodoxy is not found online! 🧡☦️🧡

As someone who was raised Catholic, it always feels a bit gross to see hyper online people (I won't name any names, but you probably know who I'm talking about) who were raised Evangelical Protestant and became Catholic because of the Tradition and Aesthetic but seem to almost approach it like another Protestant denomination that you can put on or take off like a shirt if you decide you don't like it. They have no real skin in the game as far as ensuring that the Catholic Church remains faithful to its creeds. They might be leaving acquaintances, or even friends, by leaving the Church, but they don't have to risk losing family over it. A lot of them move onto Orthodoxy (as if you don't have to invert your entire understanding of who and what God is to do that), and if that was how they treated Catholicism, I can't imagine Orthodoxy will be much better in their hands. Of course, we can't treat potential converts like that might be them. We can't know their hearts. Only God can. But, for them, Catholicism is an aesthetic. For me, Catholicism is my entire childhood and my entire family. If you plan to become Catholic, prepare to make it yours as well.

It’s more common among younger Catholics that we’re all well catechized. The last generation didn’t really have much of it.

When it comes to denominations, I still haven’t decide but when people ask I say “I’m considering southern Baptist and Presbyterian.” This is because I go to church twice a week (south Baptist church on Thursday nights and Presbyterian on Sundays). The PCA church I go to would probably be accused of a bit of “presbapterianism” by redeemed zoomer, but it’s not super Baptist compared to others I’ve seen. The SBC church I go to is a college ministry with people my age. While it’s run by SBC, they don’t really advertise that. I’m still not sure whether to believe in Baptist theology or Reformed theology, so I haven’t become a member of either despite attending both every week. Is that considered larping like number 4? I love both of my church communities, I don’t doubt that either are true Churches or anything like that, I’m just not sure which one I should belong to. I’m guilty of a bit of angrily arguing online and I should be more active at home with reading my Bible and praying consistently. I pray every day but not like I should if that makes sense, I read the Bible probably a couple times a week in some way but I seriously need to improve on consistency in that regard.

Fallacies committed in this video: False Dilemma Hasty Generalization Strawman

RZ mad that he’s been getting cooked for his weak arguments by orthodox Christian’s consistently. It’s all out of love brother we are tryna get you in the one true church.

I like watching these as an ex-Christian current atheist because theology is still fascinating to me, but I find it interesting that you don't think someone can call themselves a "Lutheran" or a "Presbyterian" simply by subscribing to those often specific belief systems. You can be an atheist simply by not believing in the supernatural. Growing up, my parents attended a variety of denominations, mostly in the Non-Denominational and Pentecostal variety, but I went to both Presbyterian and Southern Baptist schools growing up and never encountered that sentiment towards younger folks trying to find their spot. Most people of other denominations were open to "winning" someone over and would be eager to have you identify with them. Besides Catholics, that is. It's interesting to think that may have flipped since I was last in those circles over a decade ago.

I love this channel, I'm so glad it exists. Praying that you stay strong in Christ, Brother.

“If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.” James 1:26

A word of advice to all: don't fall into the trap of letting sermons, youtube videos, and even research and books ABOUT scripture, replace scripture in your life. There's nothing that can replace a prayerful direct engagement with God's Word. He speaks to us through it and enriches our faith. Prayer and scripture are the two cornerstones of this life

I think that what denomination you are isn’t super important in most cases. If that’s true, then why shouldn’t someone be comfortable attending a church of a different denomination than them? Seems perfectly reasonable to attend a church that you have subtle theological disagreements with while simultaneously using the denomination categories as short hand for explaining what your theological beliefs are

This is a problem in all of the Christian groups which emphasize conservatism. A lot of people are acting in reaction to the negative direction our culture is heading and want to recover the past when times were less chaotic and meaning still existed. I don't blame them for this at all. But it can manifest in negative ways when taken to an extreme.

I was friends with a guy who was orthodox because "its based". He called my other friend racial slurs and when I confronted him and used biblical argumetns as to why that is wrong (Should be obvious) he blocked me😵‍💫 Glad God removed him from my life lol

I think that the reason that Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy hold more appeal to Larpers is rather the more elaborate and mystically seeming Liturgy of these churches compared to contemporary Protestantism. Also exorcisms, because that makes us seem cool.

As a Catholic since birth I’ve noticed it’s mostly the orthobros than Catholics. Convert Catholics, born Catholics, and soon to be Catholics tend to be the most devout and true to their faith. They actually go through with their faith and views which is why Catholicism is the face of Christianity we hold and grow our faith in the Lord more n more. Which is why prots are converting to Catholicism because it’s the most sincere most genuine most purest most truest way to be one with Christ🇻🇦

I'm glad you brought up prayer too. It seems like it doesn't get talked about among American Evangelicals much, and prayer is thought of as sort of a wish fulfillment or it is treated as talking to an imaginary friend. At least that was my experience.

So one of the reasons that I havent switched churches despite having some denominational differences is due to the fact that I feel convicted to continue my promises to my church and by severing my commitments I may be doing more wrong than good. Maybe in my case the denominational differences arent great enough to justify it. I dont call myself a denomination different from my church just for claritysake. You dont win in these situtations tbh. Good luck if you are in a similar spot and god bless.

7:27 I don't really have a choice. I identify with Protestantism but I live in rural eastern Poland. There are only Catholic churches available and so I go to Catholic churches. This point is very American-centered.

As someone who is currently investigating Orthodox theology i try to look to avoid this but i fail every once in a while. Im currently reading rock and sand to see how it compares to congergationalists ideas which i grew up in but have recently soured on.

Some things are best understood through personal experience. After attending an Orthodox service, I felt a reverence for God that I hadn't felt before in all my years attending Protestant services. Presbyterian, Lutheran, non-denominational...I believe God is still active at other churches but some less than others. For me personally Eastern Orthodox made more sense of the Bible, more than any other denomination I've been apart of. I encourage everyone who is interested to first come to a Saturday night Vespers service. It's not as well attended as Sunday service and might be easier to get to know the priest.

Part of the reason why social media is not my thing these days. You get a lot out of it by attending church weekly and actually going out there to serve your Christian brothers and sisters out in real life. That is something all Christians young and old should strive for.

I'm a newer christian that's almost 15 so this is a super helpful video. Thank you