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T-80BV exists: Gets upgrade T-80U exists: 'sad russian tank noises'

I have to agree. Any tank that goes into an urban combat setting without Infantry Support and one has insurgents with anti-tank weapons (such as RPGs) is (as well say in America "a sitting duck." One might as well paint a huge bullseye on the top or on the behind. 🎯

You forgot one little detail about Grozny. The T-80 reactive armor is supposed to stop an RPG. What Russian crews found out on the ground was that their explosive responsive plates...had NO explosives in it! Stolen for the black market.

Will you do a video of the T-80UM2? The black eagle that well, never happened?

9:27 poor T-80U :( Probably my favorite tank.

One of my favourite channels. Always concise, articulate and intelligent content. Very good.

i always LOL hard when he says even Arjun have CITV xD

i love t80. i love how it looks, i love the gasturbine, the autoloader, etc. But yeah, it has lower protection, fire controls, optics...etc than western tanks. The 2 most shameful things about T80 for me: low gun depression( just like any post-ww2 soviet tanks),it has gun stabilisation, but when a t80 goes on a bumpy road, on bigger bumps its gun points at the sky.western tanks had proven the benefits of gun depression at the Yom Kippur War. Second thing: primitive mechanical steering mechanism (even some western ww2 tanks had better steering): it can only turn on a couple fixed turning radius, and it cannot pivoting.Modern tanks have hidrostatic or hidrodynamic steering, they can turn as smooth as a car.I red somewhere that the T80um1 had hidrostaic transmission, but it was just a prototype from the end of 90s, for export only. Maybe its not a big issue, but im always jealous when i see in videos, that how smooth is the gunstabilisation on a Leo2 even on big bumps compared to the t80, and the steering,too.

My guess is that the T80BV was used for the newer upgrades because the Russians didn't want to take the T80U out of service to upgrade it. Upgrading the T80BVM will allow these tanks to "leapfrog" the better T80U and keep more tanks in service.

Russian Army: "Oh no, these tanks are horribly obsolete and we don't have the money to replace them!" Tank Manufacturer: "Well... why don't we give a nice, cheap upgrade for them -that doesn't address the underlying issues that make them obsolete- ." Russian Army: "Okay."

T80: exists Enemies: on a second or third floor T80: sad noises

Watching technical videos with subtitles that confuse the names of things and trying to not lose track of what's going on is very hard

The problems of the T-80 during the New Year’s assault were that: There was no preparation for the assault, no predetermined task was set. The enemy received information BEFORE those who entered the city, i.e., it was a trap in advance. There were no experienced crews; they were assembled from different units. There was no preparation of tanks for urban combat. ERA often did not load at all after transporting the equipment. There was no interaction with infantry and aircraft; the enemy immediately received information. The enemy had tactical, quantitative and information superiority. The enemy had virtually unlimited stocks of mobilization weapons depots. The enemy had the experience of command and support from abroad and domestically. It was a political step, the troops were trapped in order to receive political dividends and demoralize the army in order to seize power. After the failure of the coup, he fled to London. ----------------------------------------------- For the first time, a criminal case against Berezovsky was instituted in 1999 under the Primakov government. Since September 20, 2001, he was wanted in Russia on charges of fraud, money laundering and an attempt to forcibly seize power. In addition, since 1999, the Swiss prosecutor's office has been investigating him on charges of fraud and money laundering. In the same year, Berezovsky was denied entry to Switzerland. The circumstances of the death of Berezovsky on March 23, 2013 near London were not reliably established; According to the priority version of the investigation, he committed suicide. German forensic expert Bernd Brinkmann, a strangulation specialist employed by the businessman’s family for an independent investigation, did not agree with the suicide findings. In his opinion, the deceased could not hang himself; he was strangled. -----------------------------------------------

Worth mentioning that after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia inherited quite a few t-80UDs (which actually was supposed to become the main Soviet tank). Those t-80UDs ended up being scrapped after the engine resource was exhausted, all those superior turrets just wasted

The biggest problem with T80 is price and maintenance problems of the helicopter-type engine. Also, it use more fuel. The Russian Army keeps them ONLY in the northern part of Russia where this kind of engine can be started more easily compare with regular diesel.

Problems of operation of the T-80: Lack of manufacturability, high cost of maintenance and repair. High labor costs for field repairs, the impossibility of field repairs in many cases. High fuel consumption, 1-2 times higher than the T-72B for the same mileage. 4 times higher cost of replacing the engine, the requirements of high-class fuel and lubricants, filters. Difficulties with system repair, extreme (unjustified) complexity of aiming systems. Increased requirements for mechanics and crew. The difference in mobility with the T-64 and T-72, higher average speed and fuel consumption. Problems with logistics, spare parts, fuel. Technical problems: Higher complexity - higher likelihood of breakdowns, higher labor costs for repairs. The requirement for the availability of special tools, consumables and high-class mechanics. Longer repair time. High fire hazard due to the presence of hydraulics (the T-72 is an electro-mechanic). Arrangement of charges in the loading mechanism vertically, increased vulnerability. Increased risk for the driver due to the specifics of the tank. Weaker booking compared to the T-72B, for the T-80B, except for the rare T-80U.

Ok that meme at the end caught me completely off guard. Well played, sir.

Yugoslavia supposed to introduced M94 and it was supposed to be state of the art but the country collapse

It's probably good enough for it's intended role..the armor is good enough against most rounds it will probably face from the front. The most likely round the T-80BM will face from another tank is the Bm42/22 .

You make really good videos without the fanboyish slant a lot of reviewers give their videos.....way to go. I would love to see an in depth video on the T-14 Armata sometime this year, just to see how far its evolved since its unveiling.

GREAT VID. SUPER INFORMATIVE !! THANK YOU !! AND I COMPLETELY AGREE W YOUR ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT AND FUTURE STATS. OF T-80

Nice to have a fairly , as much as possible, unbiast channel in English done by someone from the other side of the former Iron Curtain.

They probably choose to prioritize the modernization of T-80B/BV tanks because those are actually hopelessly outdated, and there are also many more T-80B/BV than T-80U. Even though the T-80U is outdated, it can still somewhat hold its own against NATO tanks which are not the most advanced of their types. For example, Turkey uses Leopard 2A4 and M60A3 tanks in large numbers, and even the M60T 'Sabra' probably isn't better than a T-80U, while the mainstay of Polish Army are T-72M1s with various degrees of upgrades (including the PT-91), with a good number of them being even worse than T-80B. All of these tanks I mentioned above are arguably inferior to even basic T-80U. Additionally, relatively limited upgrades such as T-80UM or T-80UE can continued to be applied which makes the T-80U fleet more capable (even if it is still not up to standards of most modern tanks). Protection-wise, T-80U turret with Kontakt-5 makes it at least somewhat capable of withstanding all but the most modern munitions, which is relatively rare among European armies, and even the US Army still has some old APFSDS in service that were proven to be ineffective against T-72B. The T-80BV on the other hand, is far worse in capability (with base armor being worse than T-72B) and therefore needs the protection of Relikt ERA, and other upgrades to things like FCS, much more urgently. That's why the BVM upgrade makes sense, especially if the plan calls for reintroduction of thousands of T-80B/BV, which were previously in storage, now to be modernized and back in active service alongside T-72B3 as the 'second line' of its tank fleet (with T-90M and T-14 forming the 'first line'). So suppose that the Russians decided to apply the BVM upgrade to T-80U instead of T-80BV (let's call it T-80UB). They would end up having ~350-400 T-80UB (which still isn't as good as T-90M), while the 3000 or so T-80B/BV are still stuck in the 1980s and would get trounced by other tanks or ATGMs in an actual war. This choice is obviously worse than the plan they actually chose, with the 3000 T-80B/BVs eventually upgraded to semi-modern standards to meet their requirements. Furthermore, if they were to upgrade the T-80U, than the T-80Us would be taken out of service temporarily without a good substitute, while the T-80B/BVs are not in active service anyway. This way, the army would not be affected much during the modernization process.

Red please do a video on the Romanian TR-85 and TR-125! I love your content man keep it up!

Another great and informative video, keep it up

love the thumbnails with world leaders in shock

Thank you algorithm for bringing up old videos based around current events for us people of culture to watch!

5:10 when I first heard you say a cavity full of quartz , it sounded like you said a cavity full of farts . Lol .

I'm pretty sure British Challenger 1 was the first tank to have hunter-killer ability...

The T-80BVM is the T-72B3 MOD.2016 of the T-80 line, the T-80BVM is a upgrade for a less then desirable vehicle that Russia has alot of, just like the B3 UBH, the T-90Ms existence tells me a T-80UVM(probably won't be its ne lol)will be eventually made, to bring the T-80U up to T-90M standard, so Russia has T-90M and T-80UVM as front line units with T-72B3 UBG and T-80BVM as the more numerous backline units.

Only the 4th Guards tank division is armed with T-80Us, and it is one of the most prominent formations in the Russian Army, stationed in the Western MD near Moscow. The fact that its vehicles are not being upgraded while almost all others are seems to indicate that its units are among the first in line to be rearmed with the T-14s. Perhaps, when that begins to happen, its T-80Us will be rotated to other formations, receiving upgrades in the process.

basically the same story with the tanks since t-62... - i'm obsolete let me die already. - here have a insignificant upgrade that will barely change anything and we will either give you new letter in the name of the model or slap a new number.

Basically the only problem with it is the sight … got it lol

I hope there will be a T-80 vs Arjun "battle" on this channel

I get the feeling its just a cheaper alternative to more expensive models. Likely to help phase out T-72's at a higher pace.

Can you do a video on the battle of Grozny though? Nothing like a ‘guide on how not to use a tank’

This is my favorite Russian tank of all time. Even given its flaws. However, if I had a fantasy tank that I've always wanted, the Black Eagle is it. That rounded front end to the turret and a long box for ammo on the back with blowout panels for crew safety. I just love the way it looks 😊

Everyone always forgets; intended function. Just because it's not the same as something we understand, does not mean it's worse.

So they turned out to just be shit tanks

When we will see the next Tank Arena ?? :)

Hi RedEffect you have nice videos with lots of informations, and i would like to see if you make a video of our czech T-72M4CZ like T-72B3 vs T-72M4CZ

Keep the videos up :) love to see these

7:26 Arjun level rant

Muv-Luv Alternative: TE begs to differ.

Excelent as usual.

The reason for up grading the t80bv and not the t80u is to extend the service life, although the t80u being upgraded would make a more heavily armoured tank it does not currently require the upgrade

T-80BV does have upgraded turret compared to T-80B, so it has nearly the same level of protection as T-72B (basically, T-72B and T-80BV are from the same generation, and T-72A and T-80B are from previous generation of the tank families). I've seen many internet experts not mentioning this fact, but, you know, internet experts are no experts at all 99% of the time. Overall design of turret armor of T-80BV is the same as T-80B, unlike T-72B compared to T-72A, but the materials are different as far as I know (basically, T-80BV has different composite filler in the same cast shell), so armor protection had increased between two models. T-80U is more akin to early T-90.

I feel like in this modern age, tank armors are not really that important. Modern tanks have crazy amount of penetration and Equipped with ATGM that'll blast through anything anyway.

really concise explanation of what happened to this tank ,informative

Wow using a quartz filled pocket in the cast turret is fascinating. Cool fact, thanks!

Red effect make a video on Bob Semple tank.

Please review modern Swedish tanks, best regards from Sweden

Red effect could you make a difference about rifled cannon against smoothbore cannon

Primitive Hunter killer was on the Sherman. That's actually pretty cool ngl. I just found you channel and I am liking it.

T80u with k5 era had around 700-750mm of armor vs KE That means with relikt it should have more 100-200mm of armor vs KE rounds (750-1000mm).

Some funny ideas for fun: maybe you could view some fictional tanks or AFVs (i.e., Mammoth Tank from Command and Conquer or Scorpion Tank from Halo) and see how they would work / how good they would be if they actually exist IRL.

You should do a video or series on forgotten tanks like that obj187, black eagle etc

You know, maybe you should do the Black Eagle tank video. We know it’s a chassis from the T-80U but there’s almost all the information we know but what about something else it was planned to have.

At last, Arjun is better than something.

I would be interested to see an unbiased video on which tanks are being used, how they are deployed, and how well they fare in action in the Ukraine Conflict.

Exactly the upgraded T-80BV to BVM to avoid graveyard and scrap because T-80U can still be made operational once needed. If you think about it, Russia did not produce Tanks for more than a decade, pushing all the resources into T-14's development, So they need to keep the Tanks available by upgrading older T-80BVs to T-80BVM, older T-90 and eventually all of T-90s to T-90M (also promoting for export), while upgrading what in service of the T-72s to T-72B3/B3M and have T-80Us in reserve/operational storage, while the rest in long term storage such as T-80B/T-72s. So basically the plan was a mix of T-90M/T-80BVM/T-72B3M to reach 2700-3000 in service and T-80U 2700-3000 in reserve/operational storage (with an amount of T-72 in storage for potential spare parts or export after modernisation) Until T-14 gradually puts T-80BVM/T-72B3/B3M in reserve/operational storage and T-80U in long term storage and the rest such as T-62/72/80B/BVs in graveyards to be scrapped into parts or metals/components. Now what happened is proving that T-80BVMs was the right decision, the brought old T-80BVs instead of scrap or inoperability without decreasing the number of T-80Us. The situation is so dire that they need every tank available due to poor Tank storage condition, parts stealing and illegal scrap, and constant breakdowns + proof is that they are fielding T-62Ms to the battlefield despite being old/vulnerable and having a different ammo caliber (115 mm i/o 125 mm). I think in those 7000 T-72s in storage they can only rely on a 1000-1500, half can be sent to battle after minor repair (some previously in reserve, so working from time to time). Leaving 5500-6000 T-72s in a situation where scrapping is better (salvaged and missing parts, rusted, old designs, grass all-over), so might be used for some commun parts to be given to working Tanks. While T-80s despite being a legacy of ukrainian soviet factories and having the hated gas engine, T-80U can be sent to battle after a quick repair and overhaul maybe 2500-3000 units, replacing the Tank losses and arming half of mobilized 300ks reservists, but will complicate logistics (Fuel/spare parts/skilled mechanics and crews (they are more familiar with T-72s). T-80A/B will have the same fate of T-72s, scrap and canibalisation (at least they serve a purpose), while what remains of T-80BV can be sent to factories for modernisation to T-80BVM. Basically 3000 T-80U/BVs (contact 5/1 ERA) and 1500 (contact 1 ERA) T-72s (+4500) Tank can be repaired and sent to battle and replace all Tank losses (Numerically) and arm the 300 K reservists in Ukraine, with little to No operational reserves remaining. (Some 6000 T-72/80 used for parts/scrap), hundreds of T-62Ms to be sent as fire support (as mobile short Artillery or as an IFV) to compensate for the losses of IFVs, All of the BMP-2 fleet in storage can replace all IFV losses but will not arm 100% the reserves, while Bmp-1 is in same situation as the T-72s. The only reserve is in order to maintain a post war 3rd G level stock of Tanks with few hundreds of T-72/T-80BVs in storage reserved for modernisation in factories to B3M/BVM, relaunch full production of T-90M production and send those 200 reserve T-90s to battle (meaning suspending T-14). Creating basically a cushion of a few hundreds to 500 Tank of 3rd G for expected inevitable attrition as a replacement in the next couple of years. So basically we have 1700-2000 lost or will be lost in few weeks. Meaning only 1000 remains from previously active service Tanks made of mostly (T-90/T-80BVM/T-72B3-B3M). + 1500 T-72Bs (contact 1 ERA) for immediate losses numerical replacement (+ hundreds of (ex-mothballed T-62M for infantry support or Wagner/Donetsk militia-previously reserved for Syrian army), small & slow influx of T-72 from storage areas if they are lucky (salvaging the 5500 scrap metals of old inoperable T-72). + 3000 T-80s from storage (mostly contact 5 ERA T-80Us) arming the 300k reserves for a winter push in Ukraine. (Total in best conditions 5500 Tanks(T-90/80/72)-4500 to fight in Ukraine, maybe 1000 in guard duties and 3500 for pushing the lines ( +3 to 1 odds necessary for a push) and 1000 to remain in Russia proper), No further Tank reserve remaining (5500 T-72s/80s in critical condition-Better to be scrapped). Having 500 tank or So (T-80BV/T-72) in bad condition but eligible for modernisation to be sent to factories for modernisation (out of combat potential) to replenish 3rd G level Tanks and future attrition post-war replacements. + production of T-90M.

Do they really need that extra protection given they are deployed somewhere at the far north? Are they likely to face serious opposition there?

Also, that tank "killed" one of russian youtubers. Alconafter (his nickname) made critical video about video on Zvezda chanel about this tank. Zvezda, as channel of russian Ministry of Defence, of course, sayd, that this tank is super cool, super moder and that army need this one very badly (usual propaganda). And, when they saw, that some dude from the intrnet with 400k subscribes criticizes them they baned his chanel on youtube. And, what is the most funny part of all this story, they baned him for using chronicle videos of Soviet Ministry of Defence.

This video aged like a fine wine.

During the 80's I was in the US Army as an 11H (Anti-Armor Weapons Infantryman) where we used the TOW missile. Each month I would go to our BN S-2 shop and review armor vehicle updates from Jane's Monthly to learn about new systems and countermeasures the Soviet bloc countries were using. But for each missile defense system they put on their tanks, we would simply modify the TOW missile to work around it. For instance, when reactive armor was fielded we developed a "top attack" missile that flew one meter above our aiming point then when the missile detected both thermal and metal below it through its anomaly detectors, two shape charges would detonate downward to penetrate the thinner armor on the top of the vehicle. We have about 8 different types of TOW missiles to choose from when engaging a target (BGM-71A-H). I've seen older Soviet type tanks being used in Syria and I know the export types are not the same as what the Russian Army uses. It's up to the country that bought the tanks to improve their armor protection but they rarely care to do so because they don't want to spend money on their military. When fighting against tanks we use other assets before the tanks are close enough for the TOW system (4,000 meters) which is aircraft, naval gun fire, artillery and even mortar rounds. By the time an enemy armor formation reaches our positions, the enemy has been weakened substantially which gives us an advantage because of how their state of mind is which ensures they'll make poor decisions when we attack. We try to use terrain to our advantage by killing the rear tank then the lead tank in a road convoy to bottleneck the convoy so they have nowhere to go and then we work through all the tanks one by one until eliminated. Our main purpose is to protect our Infantry and armored vehicles if we have them attached to our task force. By knowing details of each tank variation we're able to tell which tanks have advanced technology or are their leaders so we engage them first. The easiest way to tell is if a tank has two or more radio antennas since most tanks will have just one. What I mentioned doesn't always ensure I'll win a battle since we have to worry about countermeasures to deal with.

Can you do a video on the Black Eagle?

4:30 Why is his head so red? Is this part of the upgrade?

Cutting edge tech...gas turbine

At least a fitting Sponsor. Im happy for you :D

Could you make a video on the Black Eagle

Me in 7:29 : Yaah we also hv thermal sight. Also Me in 7:30 : WTF eVeN ArjUn

The MK 1 land ship would have laughed off those RPG'S in Grozny 😏

The biggest problem is that the Soviets ended up with 3 very similar tanks in the form of the late model T-64B, T-72A/B and T-80 due to political machinations around the 3 design bureaus and the Army. Similar in size, different in armour (though most of that was mounting completely different ERA in the T-80U models) and similar guns, with different ammo loadouts. T-80U did represent the pinnacle of Soviet tank tech in the late 80s/early 90s though. T-80 now suffers the same problems again, with the Russians stuck with the T-72, T-80 and T-90 series. Any upgrade to one type can easily apply to the rest, since a lot of upgrades are now plug-and-play. T-80BVM pretty much is used for the arctic patrol anyway, with T-72B3 being the mainline tank, and T-90M as the odd breakthrough tank. This pretty much means that the budget is not really going to upgrade T-80s.

Wouldnt be the correct tilte "what were they thinking?"

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Better than tanks in my country,I think🤔🤔😂😂

Red Effect: this video is better then a many of your other ones.

Do a video on the Black Eagle!

I wonder how good a t80 was, when it's left on top of a hill for days like the Turkish leo 2a4. The Leo 2a4 losses in turkey are the prime example for people who like to descredit its performance. But on a t80 we should start to get picky. That's double standard.

T80 vs t72m plz

Thermal sight looks almost like the TIS Used in M-1 Abrahms series tanks.

very interesting video, maybe the solution would be to revive the Omsk factory

One question: Can it beat Bob Semple tank and Emus at the same time?

heh as i was watching this, i was downloading war thunder

And over here i was wondering why in WT T80BVM turret armor is worse than T80U

Does the T-80U have a stabilized gun allowing shoot on the move like the M1A2?

The biggest problem with the T80, as well as all other Soviet T-tanks, is that they must be nearly fully exposed to fight. Soviet engineers fetished small size to the point where they can no longer occupy a hasty hull down position, which limits them to fully prepared stationary defensive fighting positions (called "kill me" positions by Western tankers) or driving around fully exposed in the offense. Western tanks can acquire targets from the turret down position and kill targets from the hull down, which is far superior to anything you can do with Soviet tanks.

And Putin is sending these guys into Ukraine?! Wow!

I think the reason why we modernizing the t-80bv it’s their numbers. Upgrading them much cheaper than building new thanks especially until we will starting to produce t-14 in mass numbers. In the end it’s better to have BVMs in reserve than old ass BVs.

Why would Gaijin sponsor this guy? I don't think a single person watching a red effect wasn't already playing War Thunder before the ad

Tbh it wont matter much if it's 630 or 730 when it comes to modern projectiles from NATO countries

I’ve had issues since I drove my T-80 off the Lot....should have got a T-90 instead...buyers regret!

I'm guessing the thought process was "the T-80U is already pretty good, but the T-80BV sucks. Let's upgrade the oldest, worst tanks first, and then the newest, best ones."

Modernized t80s have their uses, mainly where the gas turbine engine offers an advantage (extreme cold,etc).

Good news for Russia: Every day, the amount of still active T-80 tanks gets reduced. Plus they found a way to use cardboard as reactive armor.

"this video is sponsored by war thunder" Me: skip skip skip

any chance of a video about T-54/55 variants still in use today? For instance the tr-85m1 still in use by Romania which is a NATO member?

I'd say that they will ultimately upgrade T-80U, but after they finish T-80BVM. I do Agree that the upgrades the T-80BVM and T-72B3 receive don't extend far enough.