you sir have won the comment section

Or how they blame them for the events of The Winter Soldier Helicarrier incident, when it was all because Hydra had infiltrated them and taken over so Captain America had to intervene

+David Haffner I think you put your finger on the real problem with this movie (and every other movie that features SHIELD). What, exactly, is SHIELD? Are they the enforcement arm of the UN? An expanded version of NATO? Some weird Illuminati/Bilderburg/One World Order mishmash? Where do they get their money? Their authority? Their personnel? And no, just saying "a bunch of billionaires who really run the world" won't cut it, you have to explain how it might exist in the real world if you're going to (using Mike's air finger quotes) ground these movies in "real world political red tape". Can't have it both ways, either SHIELD is realistic and believable or it isn't. Good point about the potential nuking of NYC, look at how much people still bitch about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and if there was ever a nation that deserved to get nuked, it was Imperial Japan (though, in the end, it saved a lot more lives than it ended)....

General Ross was also a hypocrite for not mentioning and accepting the blame for helping create Abomination who caused death and destruction in Harlem, NYC.

It's all pretty dumb

Who's Jay?

@@newworldorderresistancemil5066 The gay one

@@newworldorderresistancemil5066 the fat one

@@newworldorderresistancemil5066 yes

That's a real movie? Wow

Or Suburban Sasquatch.

Or my soloQ teammates

*Flashback to the Best of the Worst: Star Wars Holiday Special episode* Rich: Baby Jesus is an asshole!

Septarr my god...... it's like poetry

I just like that you can hear someone (I’m assuming Mike) start laughing during that bit.

+Whirlwind Spiral Why not both?

***** LOL yea could be both.

+Grindahz Studio racist

Grindahz Studio Despite being named Black Panther, he's actually suppose to be a Kodiak bear.

+TaySnitchO They named a Kodak bear based character Black Panther? what the fuck

is this true?!!! oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+Jacob Hill most of those deaths consisted of Rich Evans.

Thomas Danforth Rich Evans keeps regenerating, and taking different jobs.

Jacob Hill this comment didnt age well at all

@@Sheila_Chu Not really. Only a couple characters "really" died in Infinity War.

I'm necroposting, but I just have to say that I'm really disappointed that these guys drifted over that and I'm glad you wrote this comment

Took me a few views of Civil war and the few films prior to fully get this so I'm glad you commented this as it confirms why they had what appears at first to be a strange flip of personality. I think what I and many others have missed is the character development of Tony Stark and Steve Rogers.

Team Rogers, represent! The UN is a miserable failure!

@@jonsolo32 Vigilantism is the ultimate expression of patriotism and anyone who says otherwise is an internationalist pinko whore! Exterminate the state!

@@judsongaiden9878 You sound like The Comedian who would be Captain America if he hated commies and existed in the real world

+PesciGotPepsi Or how they're both wrong and the argument is stupid.

+Joven Christopher Eh, it's a superhero movie. Its a gonna be stupid.

+tomatoesofdoom I completely forogt about that XD At least he didn't pretend to be nauseous or sick! XD

Captain America 4: grand theft auto

Lmao, imagine Captain America secretly has kleptomania issues. Peggy is using her SHIELD contacts to get him released from jail every other month.

*Another? What, did a different actor playing Captain America do that in a B Movie on Best Of The Worst or something?*

hack frauds

lol

38:24 during Jay's shenanigans too

​@@TheThelaughingboyI thought I heard that after the radio falls off

Mate this movie was boo boo ass compared to the comic version

@@dawnggg BuT mY CoMIc BoOk! Dude, it's a different medium, with different pacing and constraints. It's not apples to apples to compare these two things, but they are both great in their own right.

@@duncanohoge right, especially the ending tf was that

​@seenyab4494 Pathetic cope. The comic is okay and the movie is meh. Get better taste.

yep

You can set aside your differences if both of your mothers name is Martha

It was a little more than idealogical differences, did you see the last fight?

+atreides213 "Well, we have a major disagreement as to how our operation should be run and vastly differing viewpoints, but we'll all just get along and sing about the magic of friendship now'. I don't know, that sums up Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Antonin Scalia's friendship pretty well.

+SV67943 Supreme Court: Civil War. Spoiler warning: Ginsberg won.

It's the smart thing to do

its 2019 you idiot

Rich was born in 1977.

god, spoilers

Rich Evans has to die every few years for humanity to continue on. Sort of like that Jesus guy, but more interesting and more important.

Also time travel.

I've always agreed that was a big missed opportunity, and a lot less flimsy an example to use as New York, and DC.

They’re not referencing the destruction of NY as the reason for the reigning in the Avengers. They’re using the destruction of Sokovia by a ironman-made AI as the reason-hence the name “Sokovia Accords”. IMO that’s a much more reasonable rationale for handcuffing the Avengers. It wouldn’t have happened if Ironman didn’t try to play God.

Well except for the part where the government wanted to just nuke NY.

@@KittySneeze what? The sokovia accords were from the scarlet witch throwing the suicide bomber into a building, killing a bunch of civilians by accident. Not sure what u mean

@@drews2444uhhh no, that bomb was during a mission in Lagos, Africa it sets off the movie sure but mainly the un is referencing when ultron airlifted an entire country

+Dan Hauer Impotence*

Well at least he had a ranged weapon, for which high ground actually is an advantage, as opposed to a melee lightsaber where high ground doesn't mean shit.

+The Dude That was something that everybody was waiting for

It's funny: i thought he'd actually sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke.

+pkmovies92 It really is. I love these guys chemistry. You can tell they've been friends for a looong time.

It's so dense.

Rich Evans is not human. Get your ffffffffffFACTS straight.

To be fair, that was SHIELD, not the UN, that ordered that nuke.

To be fair, it was the World Security Council, not Shield, who ordered the nuke. The Council is the entity that oversees Shield as a whole and can completely overrule its decisions and take over if they felt like it.

Which still isn't the UN, so, what's the issue here Mr. Nitpick?

To be fair, politicians rarely acknowledge things they actually did let alone things they almost did.

Yijuwarp good point. if it didn't actually happen, they'll deny they ever considered it.

is that a parody of how chris stuckmann grades movies?

+Jeffrey Lyu definetly

Jeffrey Lyu it made him cry

Luigi Nastro i guess but his crying over rlm's joke about him is still cringy

@@lyuser I didn’t realized how mean RLM fans were until everyone bullies Chris Stuckmann for “crying.” Every fan tries to act like the guys in RLM but it ends up just making the fan base a bunch of jerks.

In Disney's Marvel's RLM's Space Cop

And in greater numbers.

No one's ever really gone!

I know right, and maybe that organization could have a cool acronym like ARMOR

+Andrés Barrios hail armor

+Evan Tsilimidos Yeah, a movie like this could be the best of the MCU, so good that every movie after it will be looked down on for not being quite as good.....

Never.

Marvel already made that movie and it's called captain America winter Soldier

Unless you're Rich Evans. Then being in Milwaukee is a literal and figurative death sentence.

Or, don't live where the hero is originally from. Didn't work out too well for Smallville.

Isn’t Milwaukee a major city?

+BigZeeff He would have accomplished what he wanted by emailing the vid to SHIELD or putting it on social media etc. too though. Could have been he just decided to play it in the super soldier base once he realized that Tony showed up.

Tchalla has a cutting edge wakandan satellite monitoring Bucky as his underling has reported when he walk to his audi car.

***** I only saw the movie once, but I think "prison guy" was Falcon. Tony visits the cells where Cap's team is taken after the main brawl, there's a quick interaction with Ant-Man then he talks to Falcon.

+Matt Kagemage But if Zemo could've easily accomplished his mission by just emailing the vid to SHIELD, then what was the point of everything else he did in the movie? Why did he kill all the super soldiers at the end? Why did he knock out and impersonate someone to turn Bucky into a raging monster again? Hell, why did he even disguise himself as Bucky back at the beginning of the movie, when he could've solved all of his problems with a click of the mouse? He wouldn't have needed to go on this wild goose chase luring Cap and Bucky to some fancy base in Russia when there's a video of Bucky killing Tony's parents in cold blood that he could've easily sent out on the internet.

Although not nukes, we do that in real life, soooo...

You can go out and get a life. Reach out to past friends that made you happy. Worked for me. Also don't be too hard on yourself either. Everyone lives are different. Just don't spend your life alone

@@zarreffThat’s not reality…

@@TrueLunacy What are you even writing about? The original poster can absolutely go out and get a life. Sitting at home alone watching videos or playing videogames weeks and months on end is not helping you live a REAL life. You need to leave your comfort zone sometimes if you want a real life.

@@zarreff there's nothing wrong being alone.. people are poison.

I don't watch Marvel movies, but isn't Captain America and Bucky the same character just with American and Soviet sensibilities? Soviets don't give a fuck and sometimes recognize the effectiveness of might. Captain America seems more like a diplomat.

Yeah man, while Tony's trying to reverse the carefree playboy persona he was labelled with in Iron Man 2. The cut from a 'i'm giving you all money for your grants' scene to 'you can't give me my son back' was very deliberate.

+B- Mask Mike = Loved Jurassic World. So, Jay is always right.

+Joshua Sherls Yeah, I'm amazed that they couldn't see these kind of character development from both sides.

I don't know how much Cap would want to be the head of any organisation after that. He seems like a very 'freedom of choice' guy (especially after having seen what happens to Fury)

jurassic world was better than this trash so keep crying kids

***** I don't know, I've seen many movies where they try to use real life debates in the narrative and it just comes off as bullshit. For example in Age of Ultron they use the "humans will be doomed by the arrival of AIs" thing as Ultron's main motivation, which is a real serious thing that scientists argue about, but it comes off as an excuse for the Avengers to punch robots. No one walked out of Age of Ultron arguing about the dangers of artificial intelligence, at least no one i know.

And that's why the Star Wars prequels are the best movies ever.

Monroville You're saying the movie characters didn't make bad choices?

+Anon Emous Depends on the details for me. Flawed is more interesting, yes. But I've also seen it exaggerated to the point where a character was so flawed that he/she became completely unrelatable and unlikable to me. In other words, the characters should be flawed **and** well written too.

Agreed. But Iron Man losing his temper and Bucky going into fight mode isn't a flaw in the script to me, it's two flawed individuals.

Yup

+Shilag they just needed to have Sabotage playing and it would have been PERFECT

who the fuck goes to a superhero movie for comedy? ya because the first thing thay comes to my mind is "jokes go with saving the world!" fucking low-brow people like you enable marvel to make so much money

thunder cleez - H-he meant the "civil war" at the end of the video between the RLM crew.

+thunder cleez Somethin tells me you have the feeling of 'that moment when you realize you look like a complete idiot' down-pat.

+FU BAR OW MY GODDD! They killed VCR-repair guy!

A little too much shaky-cam

***** Captain America already was working for an organization that directed his actions to try and prevent casualties. Shield. Yet it was infiltrated by Hydra and so he had to question all the work he did for them. That was why he took the whole thing down. Now he is being told to put his trust in another organization. Even if it was not being controlled by a shadowy organization, it is still political. What if something attacked Iran or North Korea and was killing innocents, yet the UN said the Avengers could not intervene because of political issues with those governments? Whether you disagree with that sentiment or not Captain America didn't want to be put into that situation which is why he couldn't sign.

Exactly, why did so many people miss this?

A lot of people think of the film as being titled "Marvel Civil War", or something like that. It is actually titled "Captain America: Civil War", because Captain America is the protagonist and hero.

Yes, the movie never really took this whole question seriously. If it were real life then Rich would be 100% correct, but Mike is correct that they should have not even included this entire plotline.

BossHalo219 Well, that was an argument made against Cap. It was very briefly mentioned about losing two nukes referring to Thor and Hulk. It's just that there's too many argument for each side because many people find a side to go on with very valid arguments for both sides.

BrownKidDesigns Either way, I found the argument in the movie to be stupid. I liked the movie, but I wish there was a stronger motivation for each side.

I think that's one of the biggest issues. It does come off to me like they had no fucking clue what they're doing. There's a lot stuff and plots just to get to certain points without ever looking at what was already there. The conflict itself is set up in several different ways. There's an entire subplot about other Winter Soldiers just to get 3 characters to a specific place and then there's all the stuff about Winter Soldier having killed Stark's parents to get them to fight there. That's pretty much how the entire movie is build and I think it just tries to act like something deep while it actually is just overly complicated to hide up the fact that it doesn't make any fucking sense. Next to that none of the characters do something actually wrong. The characters are pretty much all passive and have no progression, in any way. How about this: We start off with the movie with the Avengers being on a mission trying to stop that assassination of that president or something if you really want Black Panther in there. Assassination is about to be pulled off by a branwashed Winter Soldier but Captain America doesn't stop him by killing him when he gets the chance because, you know, it's his friend. It's simple, it's personal, and a good conflict. But instead we get vague plots about "politics?" and some guy who's pissed and still other plots to move the thing forward. Also, why does it have "captain america" in the title?

I'm not a wrestling fan, but I watched Wrestling Isn't Wrestling, and Triple H's arc is basically the same as Tony's - from rebellious independent maverick to fist of the ruling establishment.

@@AndromedaRoach ok...

@@92brunod alright

It makes sense too because Captain America is about freedom and wouldn't want restrictions put on free citizens. They even talk about the bureaucracy and how if they really pass these laws it would hurt society because monsters would keep attacking and the avengers wouldn't be able to do anything about it. This is such a lazy episode

Be sure to re-watch it once you wake up -- you'll probably miss much in your tired stupor.

+Seyyoshi Hahaha! Me too! I was just watching some BOTW before going to bed and this happens!

+Seyyoshi Same, just heard the notification as I was sleeping.

+Seyyoshi Same here but... sleeping is for losers anyway.

4AM?! where the hell even are you? Turkey?

@BillowsPillow"*obviously it's better to let these super powered beings do whatever they want cause individuals are never corrupt or flawed, of course it's better to leave power and liberty of action in the hands of the few, in hopes they'll do the right thing." There's really no right answer man, everything and everyone is corruptable, and power without consequences turns free will to infinite self indulgence.

I am Team Cap

Rich said he just saw The Winter Soldier and didn't understand. Lol

@@55187706344 It probably is one of the biggest issues going into the modern era. Security of individual privacies and rights vs. abridging individual privacies and rights for the sake of the society as a whole.

Cap in winter soldier trusted shield and it bit him in the ass, there's Ur entire explanation

And the world security council.

+Armoured Skeptic I thought they would like it. Hopefully I'll have a more positive experience. Will you review it btw? You said in the deadpool review you were kind of tired of these movies.

Ah, I always love seeing my favorite KZfaqrs in the comments sections of other favorite KZfaqrs...

Cause he’s completely right. I’m not too big on the marvel movies but it was a pretty good movie and shockingly emotionally developed for a marvel movie.

Goddamn it, not helpin stereotypes were they LOL

I don't get it. What stereotype are you talking about?

pyeclam Stealing names...black panther...stealing...black people...get the pattern?

Stupid joke by a person stupid person. Real funny.

I've been using the internet before your balls dropped, kid. Shouldn't you get off the computer before mommy catches you?

that struck me as odd. he just stated he watched winter soldier but is now baffled at Caps stance?

The problem is, none of that was stated in the movie. Cap just stated that he is unable to just do nothing when something wrong happens but only touches what he dislikes on a *very* superficial level. Iron Man mainly states "some control is good" but never elaborates on that either. In the end, you get a movie wich says absolutely nothing about the philosophical issue at the core of the "Civil War" part and is based purely on emotions. Wich is fine, but then the movie shouldn't pretend it has political ambitions.

R0DisG0D you're painting a WAY worse picture of this than it actually is. Yes, the film could've given casual viewers some more context on Caps stance based on Winter Soldier events but seriously? While a film should stand on its own it also shouldn't have to handhold an audience that should damn well have seen winter solider before this movie. That doesn't warrant statements like "superficial". It was an ambitious film that had a lot to balance. I realize that's not the best of excuses though. As for your statement about the film not saying ANYTHING about the philosophical issues at its core- I get where you're coming from but honesty? There needed to be a bit more personal, emotional motivation to pull it all off. That's realistic. That's real life. There's no way this conflict happens purely from political philosophies. I'd say the fact that differing views on the accords set into motion the main conflict throughout the majority of the film is pretty sufficient. Not perfect but solid. But you are correct in that it was probably a more personal, emotionally conflicted story than a political one. I mean didn't exactly claim to be TOO much more. The controversy over the Accords was very fleshed out and sufficiently set up a conflict I thought. Idk. It was damn entertaining. I respect your opinions on it and can emphasize with certain aspects

Kingslayer64 I probably misphrased some statements. I realise the importance of the emotional reactions to the situation and I think the movie pulled that off quite well. My favourite part of the movie was Iron Mans emotion overwhelming his political stance on the issue after he learned who killed his parents. My problem is that the movie starts with an issue that is very much philosophical, but falls short to discuss that issue on a political/philosophical level. While I still enjoyed the movie quite a bit, I think that kept at "just" being an entertaining flick with characters I like very much instead of being a truly great movie. If they had just scrapped the villain and left the movie without a "bad" party and emphasized the political conflict a bit more in about 5-10 minutes spread across the movie I would've enjoyed it much more. In the end it comes down to what one expects from the movie, but the way they set it up I at least expected them to dive a little deaper into the issue.

R0DisG0D yeah they definitely could've delved a bit deeper. It kinda becomes the Bucky-Cap storyline even before the big airport fight sequence. But I suppose I just enjoyed the flick enough to where what I got, while maybe different from my initial expectation, still a great comic book movie.

You can't hear that contempt in their voice?

+Jordan Santacruz I'm amazed how Rich doesn't understand Steve motivation after seeing TWS.

Were there any actual consequences by the end of the film?

@@michaelccozens I mean, he is Captain *America*. Being an imperialist is only natural for him.

@@michaelccozens Is that how people see Captain America? I saw him, prior to Civil War, as the loyal and naive soldier who'd do anything for Uncle Sam. Who, over the course of the films, comes to realize that it's not black and white. And that there's a moral grey that he more deeply aligns with.

Sammo Hong I see him as a guy who fell in love with the romantic idea of being a soldier at a time when we where fighting a clear and present enemy. He wakes up in a world where nothing dis black and white anymore. And he realizes that the government of America does not always have the best inter

...new, nothing beats Jack crying "I don't like being stabbed" while hotdogs spill out of his abdomen...

+FunnyBecauseItsTrue that was a good one too!

+krudmonger Sadly it's a really underrated movie in the genre; it deserves more love.

Yeah, just ban superheros. It worked kinda. There certainly weren't any heroes. Criminals didn't seem to care too much.

Nobody was really underused or overused. it was really well done

EXACTLY! The only casts you can compare this too don't come close to the Avengers in terms of character development as a whole.

+Dakota Hazel Wanda doesn't trust Tony, she trusts Steve. Tony was so scared of her he didn't even tell her about the situation. Wanda had become a scapegoat, her being an immigrant making her situation impossible.

+Z Max Yeah it is interesting. There's nothing wrong with either of those statements. The sad part is that Rich used that argument as a negative point against the movie, which he should honestly know better.

+tumblingski Really, I think it's a better way to approach a between-Avengers movie. You can't have a film that acts like any of the big characters can die, because they're all signed for like five more films, so why not make it all about interpersonal struggles? The problem isn't that it's philosophical, I'd say that there's a lot of problem in the marketing, deciding who's side you're on out of the gate, and making like a game out of it. Also: I haven't seen the movie myself yet. I can't speak for how well it presents either side.

+Z Max I spent the whole time thinking Iron Man was being an idiot who was only influenced by his emotions. Of course when there are massive catastrophes there are going to be inevitable casualties. You can't hold The Avengers responsible for the disasters other than the damage Ultron did, but that is Iron Man being stupid in a different movie. On the topic of the review, I was pretty surprised by how much Mike and Rich disliked the movie, I thought it was definitely one of the stronger Marvel films.

+Totem PsyClinic Oh Come On! The UN isn't all bad. How about those UN backed FEMA camps for white Christian conservatives that won't give up their bible comics and guns?

+Gus Aznable can you pull over I feel like I'm going to be sick

Cap steals a car in EVERY movie he is in. Apart form the original "I pretend to be sick to get the driver out of the car" move, he also steals a car in The First Avenger before Peggy convinces him to take a plane instead, then he goes and steals one in The Winter Soldier (Natasha even asks him where he learned this), and in Civil War he does it at least once (during the chase scene) but maybe twice (where was the VW coming from?).

Kinda sums up WWII as a whole, doesn’t it?

+Chris Ray Gun Its utter trash no matter what direction they take it.

+FISTFISHDOG Uh, the review?

+Chris Ray Gun Why? Aren't all criticisms and reviews personal opinions? There's not a "professional movie critic" out there that hasn't nitpicked a film.

+Chris Ray Gun "let me simplify what they said in a 40 minute video to get those thumbs up."

From the director of district 9

+pubup my nigga bubbles

+Joel Henry lol I didn't even say anything

+modbz Probably because he's a raging drunk.

+kebsis - Decrepit old man.

+modbz Clearly because he doesn't give a fuck about the characters/movie. I think he is trying too hard not to like it...does that make sense?

+modbz It' s all part of the ACT thenws HACK FROADS putt on for ehth COMEDY,, they LIE to us

XekTOr Yeah but even with movies he likes, he looks like he's about to go cockeyed and start drooling.

+Sambou Jaiteh Spiderman: Civil War

ARN it was weird how Mike stepped all over rich's league of nations joke.

That's one funny cracker

No. It's not. You fucking DC fanboy. A video about allegories and parallelism for BvS? how much of a fucking tool are you?

guys, it's just a movie, chill out

aimannorzahariwod Whoa we got Mr. Snappy over here

lol marveltards cannot handle tbe truth that their sacred cow is getting rightfully slaughtered.plot holes,no character development and a shit-ton of unfunny jokes are the marvel formula lol

thunder cleez Someone’s salty after Infinity War wrecked JL’s ass. Okay that was a mean joke but like tbh, “no character development” and “unfunny jokes”. Have you ever even seen a Mervel movie? Gtfo. Even Red Letter Media likes Marvel. Please get a better taste in movies.

Why didn't Rich morph into Len Kabasinski?

Or Rick Burman

You didn't actually address the contradictions part of his point

Agree. This review is odd

I (personally) believed they were focusing more on the comedy, and less on the review. They've done some great stuff, but whenever a comic book movie comes up,they more often then not remind us how they're "not" comic book fans. They've done better

YES! 👍🏼

Also, right after Winter Soldier where he literally found out that Shield was actually Hydra all along.

Except the government working for you would include the government controlling crazy over-the-top super powered vigilantes from fucking your shit up based on some bad intelligence.

I really like this about him. I knew nothing about Captain America when I started watching these movies, and so I assumed that a character like him would always be the one to toe the government line. What makes him complex is that in all three of his standalone movies, he has to defy his government to do what he believes is representative of America's values.

@@geneparmesan8748 not just American values, human values. I thought I would hate Captain American because of the name (I'm not american), but I find myself buying all three movies and none other. To me Captian America is what humanity should stand for. While Rich says that Tony's side is the obvious answer, I stood on caps side because I agree with him wholeheartedly and believe he was in the right. Never let the government control you. The government is to serve man and not rule over him (yes paraphrasing a dragon age quote if you are familiar with it). Cap has already seen the corruption of people in power and was not going to give up his freedom to allow others to control it. Sadly a liberty a lot of people are willing to give up. Control is not nor ever the answer. That's why I I'd always stand for Captain America. And it's Captain fucking America. The most moral super hero ever.

Sounds like something Screen Junkies would come up with.