Refuting 5 Anti-Catholic Historical Myths

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The Counsel of Trent

The Counsel of Trent

Күн бұрын

In this episode Trent takes on wild anti-Catholic historical myths related to the Olympics, Columbus, and even an allegedly satanic telescope.
00:00 - Introduction
01:18 - Myth #1 - "The Church banned the Olympics”
05:05 - Myth #2 - "Medieval monks were ignorant about babies”
07:38 - Myth #3 - "The Church castrated choir boys”
10:55 - Myth #4 - "The Church taught the earth was flat”
15:08 - Myth #5 - "The Vatican owns a 'Lucifer' Telescope”

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@filioque4509
@filioque4509 Жыл бұрын
That myth about monks not knowing what babies looked like cracked me up!
@pocketvelero
@pocketvelero Жыл бұрын
We need a video on Galileo!
@caesarius2004
@caesarius2004 Жыл бұрын
Cosmicskeptic already published a video on it where he refutes the myth.
@isobelle.London
@isobelle.London Жыл бұрын
@@caesarius2004 I love you’re surname you related to the original Caesar?
@caesarius2004
@caesarius2004 Жыл бұрын
@@isobelle.London Thanks. Sadly, no. I just picked it as an artist name because I was called Caesar at school😅
@Tzimiskes3506
@Tzimiskes3506 Жыл бұрын
The Galileo myth has to be one of the worst anti catholic pseudo history meme ever...
@ten_tego_teges
@ten_tego_teges Жыл бұрын
I had a German course at uni in the UK where we had to read "Life of Galileo" by Bertolt Brecht which is full of those untrue claims. It also portrays every Catholic priest as an anti-scientific idiot. It was basically anti-Catholic propaganda.
@boidoh
@boidoh Жыл бұрын
Pray for Yajun Yuan on his conversion to Catholicism
@user-et8vm9cc3t
@user-et8vm9cc3t Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Plus Giordano Bruno, the Crusades and the Inquisition, those are also depicted with the Catholics as the comically evil guys.
@simplydanny
@simplydanny Жыл бұрын
@@boidoh big time, after what he did, I thought he was just a troll but this is someone in need.
@rooforlife
@rooforlife Жыл бұрын
@@user-et8vm9cc3t I have a Catholic Controversies playlist that addresses>> Reformation or Revolt, The Crusades, The Inquisitions, Middle Ages, Catholic Church ban Bible, Hitlers Pope
@ToddJambon
@ToddJambon Жыл бұрын
How about the myth that Jimmy Akin is an alien who downloaded all Earth knowledge to his head?
@melaniesweeney4665
@melaniesweeney4665 Жыл бұрын
Come one, that's just silly. He's clearly a Time Lord!
@TheTenCentStory
@TheTenCentStory Жыл бұрын
That's more of a Legend.
@faithsaldana6597
@faithsaldana6597 2 ай бұрын
I thought he was a cyborg from the future?
@jokerfacebitch
@jokerfacebitch Ай бұрын
Akin is actually a plant from the shadowy Castrati secret society and controlled remotely from a bunker under a Whole Foods in Bushwick. He is also a hologram. 😶
@kinghoodofmousekind2906
@kinghoodofmousekind2906 Жыл бұрын
08:57 "coltello", not "colletto": the former is the knife, the latter is the collar of the shirt. Sorry, I am Italian and I just wanted to correct that mispronunciation. 11:20 funny also how Cristoforo Colombo wanted to get to India mostly for the purpose to gather enough money for another Holy War to free Jerusalem...and how the famous case with Galileo was due to the Pope and the scientists at the Specola Romana, the Vatican observatory, demanding better proof from Galieli and the guy simply insulting the Pontifex (with whom, until then, he was friend with, and his punishment was a short period of house arrest in his villa called "il gioiello" [the jewel], and say penitential prayers thrice per day).
@robertopacheco2997
@robertopacheco2997 Жыл бұрын
How about addressing the background to the Fourth Crusade (1202-04)? The myth is that the Latin crusaders sacked Constantinople as a mere act of greed and violence. There's nothing that can justify what happened to the Christians of Constantinople. But the Massacre of the Latins (1182) was the historical background to the Fourth Crusade. In spite of some bizarre Orthodox conspiracies trying to justify the murder, rape, and selling into slavery of Catholics in Constantinople by the Greeks and the humiliation and murder of the pope's envoy, the violence suffered by western Christians and the desecration of their churches were still very much in the historical memory of Latin crusaders when they breached the walls of the Byzantine capital in 1182. So there's in a way a myth about the Fourth Crusade that should be addressed.
@jendoe9436
@jendoe9436 Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t the 4th Crusade the one that wasn’t sanctioned/authorized by the Pope? If I’m remembering correctly, someone led a group out for material gain but didn’t have the money upfront for some of the cost so the payment would then come from whatever the crusaders looted. However, once they received confirmation they WOULDN’T be rewarded upon returning, they went rouge and that’s when they started sacking the place. Personally, history and the Church has addressed this multiple times and even issued apologies and an openness to make things right. However, it seems bad actors DON’T want things mended and would rather use the sacking as their basis for rejecting Rome. Not saying it wasn’t bad, but there’s been a lot of time and events since sacking Constantinople that honestly, the hatchet is long rusted and needs to be buried.
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 Жыл бұрын
@@jendoe9436 Yes. I was Orthodox for a time and they did use the 4th Crusade as an excuse for their schism.
@siervodedios5952
@siervodedios5952 Жыл бұрын
Are there reputable sources about all that? I wanna try to learn more so I can understand as I'm an inquirer considering either Orthodoxy or Catholicism.
@undolf4097
@undolf4097 Жыл бұрын
I saw that exact Columbus cartoon as a kid in the 2000s. I had a couple DVDs of those things haha
@matthewvelazquez2013
@matthewvelazquez2013 Жыл бұрын
I see the visual balance. I think a traditional, Roman-style, crucifix can be hung on the wall in the empty space between the lamp and the adjacent wall above Trent's head slightly to his right. The crucifix can pick up just enough light from the lamp to be noticed and can be smaller than the icon; that is, 2/3 to one-third the size of the icon on the adjacent wall. The Catholic answers company he works for is not an icon production, it's a crucifix production. That is to say, Catholic Answers is the Latin church and of the West. Trent is a Byzantine *Catholic* after all.
@lucidlocomotive2014
@lucidlocomotive2014 Жыл бұрын
What is this a response to? Did someone say catholic answers was an icon producer? I didn’t know they produced icons or crucifixes
@unknown-user07299
@unknown-user07299 Жыл бұрын
Trent, would you mind refuting Ortlund’s anti icon video? Thank you.
@coachp12b
@coachp12b Жыл бұрын
I think Suan is on that already
@unknown-user07299
@unknown-user07299 Жыл бұрын
@@coachp12b he is, but if possible I’d like more than one response
@socratesandstorybooks1109
@socratesandstorybooks1109 Жыл бұрын
Do one on anti-catholic myths on the Crusades!
@rooforlife
@rooforlife Жыл бұрын
I have at least 5 videos on the Crusades in my Catholic Controversies playlist kzfaq.info/sun/PLbz3GMKW31OFcZ11hNgR1HdGBqiv-Nepn
@PuzzlesC4M
@PuzzlesC4M Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t be opposed to banning NBC from covering the Olympics though.
@sunrhyze
@sunrhyze Жыл бұрын
😆
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
I have never heard that the Church approved of the castrati but only that the Church tolerated it by hiring them, which is both more plausible than the claim that the Church actually performed the castratons and a lot more difficult to rebut
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Жыл бұрын
It is honestly a horrible case. The Church tolerated it although gave some regulations that they had to be over seven and consent to it although it was also technically justified as a necessity after an accident. It was a way for poor families to not be so.
@hervedavidh4117
@hervedavidh4117 Жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7Ziqdpnr6_IfoU.html
@user-zi7gd9pn3l
@user-zi7gd9pn3l 4 ай бұрын
@@johnnotrealname8168 I mean it's not like the Church could completely ban it from society. In 500 years everyone's going to be bashing the Catholic Church for not "doing something" about the evils of abortion.
@alexjurado6029
@alexjurado6029 Жыл бұрын
No myths here. Rome is the true Church because it’s demonstrably true. It’s a matter of historical fact that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church, which includes not just Rome, but also the Orthodox Communions. Rome doesn’t “determine” what the canon of Scripture is. God inspired the Scriptures, and the Church that He founded and leads has the infallible competency to identify these Scriptures are. The Church also has the infallible competency to interpret and explicate the Scriptures.
@kevinkelly2162
@kevinkelly2162 Жыл бұрын
And so says the church. That is just a circular argument.
@alexjurado6029
@alexjurado6029 Жыл бұрын
@@kevinkelly2162 nope. So says Jesus Christ. If you have a problem with the authority that the Catholic Church has, take it up with God. He’s the one who set it up this way.
@kevinkelly2162
@kevinkelly2162 Жыл бұрын
@@alexjurado6029 Nah, the church says Jesus said....... Still a circular argument.
@alexjurado6029
@alexjurado6029 Жыл бұрын
@@kevinkelly2162 I’m starting to think that you don’t know what a circular argument is, friend. Or at least how to identify one. The Church doesn’t appeal to itself, it appeals to Christ and what He said, which can be objectively verified in the New Testament.
@kevinkelly2162
@kevinkelly2162 Жыл бұрын
@@alexjurado6029 No, the church appeals to what it says Jesus said. The NT was written by the church.
@jacobhilderman
@jacobhilderman Жыл бұрын
I feel like some bigger myths would be that Catholics couldn’t have the bible in their own language until Vatican II. I was taught this in bible college
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Жыл бұрын
Not sure about until Vatican II but having a Bible was rare in the Catholic world.
@jacobhilderman
@jacobhilderman Жыл бұрын
@@johnnotrealname8168 it was but there also wasn’t really a printing press until right when the Vatican happened. Most people couldn’t read throughout church history and bibles were worth the same amount as houses.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Жыл бұрын
@@jacobhilderman I meant it was rare after the protestant revolution. The Church did discorouge the use of it since the uproar was created by bad readings of the Bible. Catholic Spirituality was not Biblical, although the Church itself used it. It was a prudential measure, there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
@Cklert
@Cklert Жыл бұрын
No, the issue was more or less having accurate translations. Any literate person with wealth could, in theory, scribe their own translation of the Bible. Someone could easily sneak or modify a passage and then preach to the masses, and no one would know better. In fact, we actually did see this happen when Martin Luther added the word 'alone' in Romans 3:28. This issue even more problematic with the printing press, as not only could a person mistranslate the Bible, but also mass-reproduce that mistranslation. This does not mean that it was illegal to have a Bible in vernacular. If this was the case, the Church would have a very hard time preaching and converting people who did not speak Latin. Instead, the Church allowed the commissioning of vernacular texts to trusted scribes. For instance rulers such as King Alfred and Charlemagne, both contributed to translating and introducing the New Testament in their respective vernaculars.
@jacobhilderman
@jacobhilderman Жыл бұрын
@@Cklert yup! Honestly I would have no idea what to do it all of a sudden everyone could have access to a bible most people who had bibles were qualified to teach as well. I’m not sure I would allow everyone access to the bible as soon as it became available, I personally would be hesitant.
@michaelman957
@michaelman957 6 ай бұрын
I'd heard the castrati myth before but kind of forgot about it. Glad you clarified it.
@LarghettoCantabile
@LarghettoCantabile 5 ай бұрын
Women being banned from singing in public in Italian provinces is manifestly an exaggeration. Vivaldi's gloria, which was written well before the Italian unification, has only female soloist parts. The reason is that it was written for singers of a Church orphanage, where boys learnt a trade to make a living from and so only girls were allowed to learn advanced music.
@christinebravomom5711
@christinebravomom5711 Жыл бұрын
The babies looked weird? Have they seen Egyptian art?! LOLOL
@yvonetubla7682
@yvonetubla7682 Жыл бұрын
you missed "the da vinci code is based on a true story"
@menta617
@menta617 Жыл бұрын
Funny story. During the peak of it's popularity people were going to the building of Opus Dei to see the "torture chamber." In response some members said, "sure, follow me!" So they would take these visitors down to woodshop room and say something like, "yeah, it's a torture refinishing these pews."
@patrickturner91
@patrickturner91 Жыл бұрын
Hey Trent! Tell Laura I’m a fan
@johnmendez3028
@johnmendez3028 Жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN a letter? Or a letter every day of the week? 😂
@matthewvelazquez2013
@matthewvelazquez2013 Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful background
@hel_raven
@hel_raven Жыл бұрын
it was so absurd that they gave him 3 ships
@thinkingchristian
@thinkingchristian Жыл бұрын
Rodney Stark goes through a bunch in "Bearing False Witness;" its free on Audible and a must read/listen. He's not even Catholic.
@jendoe9436
@jendoe9436 Жыл бұрын
Myth #5 for some reason makes me chuckle. It may be the astronomy nerd in me that does see astronomers legit coming up with a mouthful of a term for a telescope just so they can have a cool acronym/name for it 😂 ‘Lucifer’ means light or light bringing if I’m not mistaken. Since telescopes are essentially giant light buckets, it makes sense on a strictly term and meaning basis to have a reference to ‘lucifer’ in there. One could argue that since Lucifer was the being’s name while he was still good with God, then it’s not bad in of itself. As Satan is the new name given to him to represent his fall, that’s the one we should avoid. Just my thoughts and opinions on the situation.
@LeeElsom
@LeeElsom Жыл бұрын
Hello Jen, I'm pretty sure Lucifer is a Latin term for what you describe. It is also a term used toward our Lord Jesus (Day Star, Morningstar, Light Bringer etc.) The name is more of a tradition when referring to the Devil, but there is no concrete evidence that Lucifer is the beings name. His names, as highlighted by the Bible and Tradition, are everything else we know already, primarily as Satan or Devil. I'm happy for someone to correct me in case I'm mistaken. Also, the passage that people point to (Isaiah 14:12)in context is actually about 'Israel's Remnant Taunts Babylon' more notably, the passage is directed to the King of Babylon. This passage is not about 'The Devil', although we can point to it to describe the similar conditions in which Satan was cast out of Heaven. Good bless you, and I hope you have a wonderful evening.
@EYECRAFTVideo
@EYECRAFTVideo Жыл бұрын
Hey Bro lower your light in height wise & move it a tough closer to you cause the shadow on your right eye is too dark, I also see the light is too bright on your camera right .... the sound sounds good.
@gussetma1945
@gussetma1945 Жыл бұрын
I read Washington Irving's book. I remember that he included the famous "egg" story, but I don't remember that he accused the Church of resisting the roundness of the earth. Does anyone know a good citation?
@TheTenCentStory
@TheTenCentStory Жыл бұрын
There is a comic book artist named John Byrne and he draws children in the same manner. He is also the greatest comic book artist that ever drew comics.
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans Жыл бұрын
someone is going to demand a list of online sources for these...
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
4:03 Can one speak of Olympic Games taking place in Ephesus or in Antioch? By definition they would be at Olympus ...
@deucedawg01
@deucedawg01 Жыл бұрын
Hi Trent, I was wondering if you could comment or would recommend video series on historical theology by Dr. Ryan Reeves on KZfaq. Its s bit dated, maybe 4- 8 yrs old. I understand he is evangelical and teaches at Gordon- Conwell Thological Seminary. It does not come across as anti-Catholic, so I wonder if you would endorse it as an accurate telling of the Christian story. God Bless.
@johnvogel9055
@johnvogel9055 Жыл бұрын
A vid on Don Juan of Austria wouldn't hurt either. A great story of a very flawed human being who saved not only Christianity but Western civilization from the Turks.
@lvlc5
@lvlc5 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 I can only imagine the skit
@paulsmallwood1484
@paulsmallwood1484 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I’ve only heard of the flat earth myth. The others I have never heard of nor do I suspect have most people heard of them.
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 Жыл бұрын
I had heard that the Church had castrated boys for the choir. Glad that she did not.
@lois2997
@lois2997 Жыл бұрын
@@carolynkimberly4021 do you ever listen to Vienna boys choir. Trust me they are not castrated. Yet they reach high notes
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 Жыл бұрын
@@lois2997 It was supposedly in the Middle Ages. Yes, I've heard them.
@PattyBee
@PattyBee Жыл бұрын
Though the earth is more flat than it is round
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice as a Non Catholic to get your perspective on popes like John XII, Sergius III, Benedict IX, or a man like Gregory VI. He was actually a decent man in contrast to the two aforementioned devils... But wasn't Catholic and essentially purchased the papacy at auction. I find it odd when people complain about the pope or status of the church (negatively) today as if it hasn't been far worse in the past
@user-zi7gd9pn3l
@user-zi7gd9pn3l 4 ай бұрын
What about them? They're probably in hell right next to Judas Iscariot. That doesn't change the validity of the Catholic Church.
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 4 ай бұрын
@@user-zi7gd9pn3l not in your mind, no.... But then nothing would.
@HodgePodgeVids1
@HodgePodgeVids1 Жыл бұрын
@MyMy-tv7fd
@MyMy-tv7fd Жыл бұрын
pronounced 'Er - as - tos - then -ees', c.200BC
@tylergermanowicz5756
@tylergermanowicz5756 6 ай бұрын
Era TOS thenes Eratosthenes So many people goof that up. Pet peeve of mine.
@jackieo8693
@jackieo8693 Жыл бұрын
Coltello not coletto hahaha
@Theunspokentruth77
@Theunspokentruth77 Жыл бұрын
When did apostle Peter give the keys of heaven to Popes?
@romasliv
@romasliv Жыл бұрын
Peter first pope, the keys follows the apostolic succession
@Theunspokentruth77
@Theunspokentruth77 Жыл бұрын
@@romasliv where did you learn that?
@HodgePodgeVids1
@HodgePodgeVids1 Жыл бұрын
Around 67AD with dating from St Jerome. St Linus succeeded Peter as bishop of Rome
@romasliv
@romasliv Жыл бұрын
@@Theunspokentruth77 irinaeus talk about that
@Theunspokentruth77
@Theunspokentruth77 Жыл бұрын
@@HodgePodgeVids1but apostle Peter didn't give the keys of heaven to anyone, did he?
@bradcope9255
@bradcope9255 Жыл бұрын
Trent's sounding kinda hoarse, take a day off buddy, no need to hurt yourself
@AgainstModernErrors
@AgainstModernErrors Жыл бұрын
Instead of going after this low-hanging fruit, you should address the claims of Vatican I and the Early Church up to the end of the first millennium. Many Orthodox see Vatican I as a slam dunk of a discrepancy when compared to how the Church operated pre-1054. Would be nice to get your take on the issue.
@Michael-bk5nz
@Michael-bk5nz Жыл бұрын
With the exception of Christians supposedly believing the Earth to be flat, I've never heard of any of these, instead of “insane” historical claims he should focus on things that actually are commonly believed and are commonly repeated even in Catholic sources, like Galileo
@brunot2481
@brunot2481 Жыл бұрын
For anyone interested, please compare the words of EC Vatican I and the very Letter of Agatho to the 6th Ecumenical Council (3rd Council of Constantinople, 681-682). The parallelism is astonishing. __________ First Vatican Council, Pastor Aeternus, Chapter 4 (1870): _”(…) Indeed, _*_their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable Fathers_*_ and _*_reverenced and followed by all the Holy Orthodox Doctors,_*_ for they knew very well that this See of St. Peter always _*_REMAINS UNBLEMISHED by any error, in accordance with the divine promise_*_ of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: ‘I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren‘ [Lk 22, 32]”_ __________ The Letter of Pope Saint Agatho to the Emperor (actas of the 6th EC, received with acclamation) (680-681): _“(…) because the true confession thereof for which _*_PETER_*_ was pronounced blessed by the Lord of all things, was revealed by the Father of heaven, for he received from the Redeemer of all himself, by three commendations, the duty of feeding the spiritual sheep of the Church; under whose protecting shield, _*_THIS Apostolic Church of his has NEVER TURNED AWAY from the path of truth in any direction of error,_*_ whose authority, as that of the _*_Prince of all the Apostles,_*_ the whole Catholic Church, and the Ecumenical Synods have faithfully embraced, and followed in all things; _*_and all the venerable Fathers have embraced its Apostolic doctrine,_*_ through which they as the most approved luminaries of the Church of Christ have shone; _*_and the Holy Orthodox Doctors have venerated and followed it,_*_ while the heretics have pursued it with false criminations and with derogatory hatred. This is the living tradition of the Apostles of Christ, which his Church holds everywhere…. the firm rock of this Church of blessed Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, _*_which by his grace and guardianship REMAINS FREE FROM all error”_* . A good read in the apologetics of it but with massive academic research may be given in the excellent book _”The Papacy: Revisiting the Debate Between Catholics and Orthodox”_ by Erick Ybarra. To be published by Emmaus Road is an attestation of the seriousness and quality of the book. God bless you and good reading!
@Qwerty-jy9mj
@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын
I don't get why the EO would rely on such a late council to justify their grievances in the first place. It leaves them in the same position as protestants when they reject the immaculate conception
@Cklert
@Cklert Жыл бұрын
@@Qwerty-jy9mj From what read, the EO or at least some parts of it in the 19th and early 20th centuries, tried to disassociate itself as much as possible from the Latin Church. Why? Unsure. I speculate it was because they didn't want to give Rome any credibility.
@jamesdelap4085
@jamesdelap4085 Жыл бұрын
Since Adam lost his (and ours) INTEGRITY In the garden STORY: WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE WORDS WRITTEN BY MEN IN THE "SACRED BIBLE," and/or the WORDS SAID at the "SACRED MASS"?
@kiryu-chan577
@kiryu-chan577 Жыл бұрын
I am always being attacked for our Pope wearing robes. rings and sitting on thrones like a king. Not sure if I can defend it. 🤔
@crossbearer6453
@crossbearer6453 Жыл бұрын
Simply put , the Catholic Church is old school and what we see as fancy now was normal way back when The Pope is as important if not more like a court judge , ( the Pope is the Vicar of Christ ) the last time I checked the Judge wears robes , can wear rings and sits in a fancy chair like a king Don’t sweat over this God Bless
@pdub69triniboy
@pdub69triniboy Жыл бұрын
The Egyptian had circumcision and priest before the Israelites did, and other nations had Kings before them also, so by there logic, God copy pagan practice for them to live by and operate as a nation
@crossbearer6453
@crossbearer6453 Жыл бұрын
@@pdub69triniboy absolutely not Paganism by definition is the corruption of God’s teachings God came to change their belief not culture All you mentioned is part of man developed cultures Besides Judaism existed at that time period so what makes you so sure Jews didn’t develop that on their own?? If God copied pagan beliefs why didn’t he copy their acceptance of human sacrifice , slavery, etc ??
@dave_ecclectic
@dave_ecclectic Жыл бұрын
@kiryu-chan577 Like a prince. He is representing a Kingdom, why would anyone have a problem with this? He wears RINGS! Oh, my this is the most terrible thing I can imagine. And ROBES! Don't say robes! Oh, wait a minute... so what if he wears a ring or two, one is of his office. and what is the problem with how he dresses? Why do most Pastors wear a business suit? AND with a pagan ring. (a wedding ring is a pagan practice). A business suit is a result of a military uniform. The tall neck is folded down forming the wide lapels. Why do Pastors wear a military uniform? Pagan rings and hold their arms out with an open Bible in one hand, that they never refer to. Why do they speak funny when they are sermonizing? Do they go to an acting class to affect that voice?
@brendan.j.t
@brendan.j.t Жыл бұрын
Trent! Would love to see you engage with the awesome street preacher David Lynn, @christsforgiveness. His videos are great, but I think he is mistaken on Catholicism
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