This guy gonna get thrown in prison for mass murder of Anti-Christian arguments.

The Trinity Delusion page has a ton of objections. This series could be endless haha. Great work IP. God bless you and your family

There's always a danger in trying to out think the scripture! Great video! Thanks for posting it!

Nice presentations... God bless you... from Oman.

Love it! You've helped me gain new appreciation for scripture and the Christian faith. I've been looking for something deeper than what's usually on Christian radio , and you sparked it for me! Thank you.

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Thank you for making this. I really appreciate your work. God bless

Time-stamps 1:30, 2:14, 2:30 - Psalm 2:7 (Acts 13:32-33) 3:07 - Adonai and Adoni, Psalm 110:1 4:20 - vowels 5:00, 5:10, 5:30 - Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:44 5:48, 6:20, 6:38 - Isaiah 9:6 7:00, 7:27, 7:42, 8:32 - Micah 5:2 (Note 2 Kings 10:27 and Hosea 6:3) 8:54, 9:19, 9:37, 9:50, 10:12, 11:29, 11:48 - John 10:34 (Keep John 10:28-30 in mind) 11:14 - John 10:36-38 and verse 39 14:20, 14:44 - Hebrews 1:1-2

great video keep up the good work God bless you.

IP with that 🔥🔥🔥🔥, keep roasting these guys with some scripturee. Great work man. 💪👌

Regarding the "Eternal Father" passage in Isaiah 9:6, I'd like to add that from the Hebrew it could also - or even more likely - be translated as the "Father of Eternity" meaning the one who possesses eternity. And who possesses eternity other than God? Anyways may you all be blessed and stay strong in faith.

"If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." John 8:24

Yay!! New video!!

Great video brother, God bless.

Thanks for this video bro. Trinity is my favorite doctrine

Loved every explanation on all the verses

Im very much proud to donate to this channel which proves Jesus existence im really feeling proud of myself im really happy that my small amount of money is used for the research -Love you Lord Jesus .And thanks for your initiative sir 🤘🏻

Great video. God bless you!!

This makes total sense. Answering questions against something is the best way to prove it.

Thank you for ur videos.

God bless you my brother in christ

Another great video!

I love this channel so much

Can I request a series on the reliability of the Old Testament? Some refutations of the JEDP theory, the DJP theory, etc. and the authorship of the Old Testament books

+InspiringPhilosophy Greetings! Would you please examine my question and confirm my understanding is correct? I thought the difference between 'adonai' and 'adoni' is the plural verses the singular, that 'ai' is added to the word to pluralize? To say adon, adoni, and adonai would be master, my master, and my masters, respectively?

IP, I'm sure many have pointed this out already, but the vowel points of the Hebrew is off in this video. It looks like every vowel appears one character to the right of where it should be.

Which books would you recommend as the best on the doctrine of the Trinity and Deity of Christ?

Wow! I enjoy this video presentation with all the graphics, scholarship, content, brevity, and simplicity. The video merely attempts to answer some of the objections advanced by those who hold to different types of Unitarian view of God--e.g. Ariian/JWs, Modalism, Socinian--in the way they use a number of Biblical passages. The Trinity is a concept derived via a logical deduction: 1. the Father (first person) is the Almighty God, 2. the Son (second person) is the Almighty God, 3. and the Holy Spirit (third person) is the Almighty God; 4. yet there is only one Almighty God; 5. therefore, these three persons are the one Almighty God. However, demonstrating 2 and 3 to be Biblical is a LONG, HUGE and VERY COMPLICATED work! In addition, the Trinitarian also has the burden to provide answers to a number of issues, one of which is how to maintain one's Trinitarian Christological orthodoxy, without becoming a heretic--e.g., Sabellianist, Nestorianist, Apolinarianist, monothelite monophysite. (BTW, William Lane Craig is a monothelite/semi-Apolonarianist). I wonder if Inspiring Philosophy is planning on doing this. If there are videos already available, I'd like to see them.

Hey +InspiringPhilosophy what version of the Bible do you use for your research? (ex:NIV, ESV)

would you modify the understanding of Psalm 82 based on Heiser's explanation of that passage as a rebuke of the divine council?

How about roasting the claim that the Trinity came from Philo of Alexandria. The Ante-Nicene Fathers took his teachings and applications of scripture and brought them into the Christian Church. Can you refute that?

Jews say Isaiah 9:6 is talking about the Past . How do you respond to it?

IP, how do you get to make videos like these? Where can I learn how, and what program do you use?

Have you done anything on the "almah" virgin controversy?

Can you comment on the following: Jesus prayed to God in Gethsemane if the cup could pass him, 3 times he asked God not to do it, then he said not my will but let your will be done, that suggest there is a difference in will. Matt 24 says no one on earth or heaven, not the angels and not even the Son know of that day, only the Father knows of that day, this suggest there is a difference in knowlegde. So how can this be if the are the same person? Thanks in advance!

The ADONI TEACHING at about 3.40 is a ballbuster for Unitarians.

4:50 this is an old video at this point, but i'd like to point something out regarding psalm 110. even if verse 1 is meant to be adoni, look at verse 5. here, the same Lord is adonay which is properly used to only refer to God. therefore, with verse 1 being adoni, psalm 110 would only support proper Christology of Jesus's deity and humanity.

Nice, I'm gonna link this video anytime anyone tries to cite Numbers 23 in support of the idea that God is not a man. 9:13 Uh oh, you had to pull out the false trump card of "context" though. What you don't realize is that you completely overlooked the argument Christ was making when referring to the scripture. Look at the sentence following his citation: _If he called them gods to whom the word of God came - and scripture can not be broken - do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God?"_ What is the argument? Well, to start, he is countering the claim that he has committed blasphemy by calling himself the Son of God. He argues that if it is lawful for fallen, mortal men to be called "gods", then it must also be lawful for Jesus to call himself the Son of God. The implicit assumption is, of course, that a son of god is subordinate to a god. It must be lawful to call fallen, mortal men "gods", because God himself did so in scripture, and scripture must be valid. Therefore, it is lawful for Christ to call himself the Son of God. In other words, his basic argument is if it isn't blasphemy to call a man "god" (which it isn't since God himself did so and can not sin), then it certainly isn't blasphemy to call a man "son of god". Thus he refuted the charge of having broken the law by committing blasphemy.

What would you say about the lack of definitive article in John 1:1? I've seen unitarians claim that the lack of definitive article when saying the Word was God means Jesus was divine and not God as in YHWY.

although I agree with the premise of this video, I disagree with the interpretation of Ps 82. the context is not talking about human judges, but making reference to the divine council who were also called gods in scripture.

you said Declaration of Independence while providing a picture of the US Constitution lol the saying is from the Declaration of Independence though

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

The issue of the vowel pointing probably comes down to what the Septuagint translated in 2 BC as the meaning. Even in context of trinity..the father is ruler . but does not make Jesus lesser GOD.

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Check Michael Heiser's work on Psalm 82. Adds clarity to your well said point.

Can you do a video Jesus saying we will do greater things than he did? I am asking for understanding, not debate. We are created in the trinity likeness and we are his temple, how can we not be God? Of course, submitting to Father's authority.

I appreciate the Semitic/near eastern face that you use for representing Jesus. It's a breath of fresh air to see a none European representation and an attempt at a more historically accurate face (though we don't know exactly what He looked like).

What are your views on predestination, free will and other stuff of the sort? Like do you side with WLC or White in regards to Calvinism or whatever.

Hi, i would like to hear how you refute the snubbing of the Holy Spirit in Paul's salutations. And where is the Holy Spriit at the great white throne of God? Why is he not mentioned in revelation?

I've actually come to think Psalm 2 is not so Messianic. Revelation 2-3 defined "ruling the Nations with a Rod of Iron" as a Promise to Believers. This Psalm is probably just David speaking in the first person. And the use of this Psalm in Acts 13 is consistent with when you get right down to it. Paul's context was Promises God made to Believers in the Hebrew Bible.

The book *The Trinity Hurdle* by R. Sutcliffe explains how 1 Cor 6:8. Is actuslly a parelell to Deut 6:4.

My 2 biggest issues with the trinity is... #1 Jesus worshiped and prayed to only one person #2 No angels acknowledge the holy spirit or Jesus as god, literally or contextual. In fact no angel refers to Jesus as lord not even once, I find that weird considering Jesus is supposed to be "lord of lords"

In the Septuigant of Psalm 110;1 it is Kiryos say to mue kiryos(my lord). there isn't even 1 verse in the OT tha say "my Adonay" for YHWE himself.

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I have been wondering, why did God not give Adam and Eve the messiah right after they sinned? And instead of having God give his message to the prophets, couldn't God come down as Jesus to give his word?

"you are my son today i have begotten you" This guy says "it doesnt mean he was created he was just appointed". That makes absolutely no sense if you knew what the word begotten means

This is my link to sanity.

At the psalms 110 (109 Hebrew) we see 3 Lords. One Lord who sits at the right hand of another and a 3rd Lord who sits at the right hand of the 1st Lord. So we see God Father and at his right hand the Son and at the right hand of the Son the Holy Spirit. Whole old testament is full of the Holy Trinity verses, even at Genesis 1.1-3 We see God Father creates the Heaven and the earth, Holy Spirit hovereds over creation in creative power and equality with the Father. He co-created with the Father and the Son (as the Word of God) made the light with creative power and equality with the Father, He also co-created with the Father and the Spirit.

Very powerful... I have a question is Angel of the Lord and Melchizedek the same person? If yes can you give me verse to back it? Thanks God bless

Isnt real translation would be father of eternity.rather than etenal father.

Psalm 110 in septuagint. "The LORD says to my lord" in the septuagint the word Adonay is never transalated as "My lord"!! "My lord" in the Sept' is allways a translation to adony!

+InspiringPhilosophy So, if I understand the Trinity correctly, it's: God x Jesus Christ x Holy Spirit= God. ( 1 x 1 x 1= 1). In this comment, I'll not adress whether or not the concept of God being multiple persons is illogical, rather I'll talk about the necessity of the Holy Spirit. How would the Holy Spirit be necessary when God (the mental) and Jesus (the physical) are already there. We only know of the mental and the physical as the two fundamental substances. Or is there more than the 'mental' and 'physical' which you can tell me of?

Are you ever gonna make a video about Genesis 6, I get the impression you support a version of the Sethite view?

Would you like to have a discussion on the truth of a certain religion after accepting the existence of God? I don't know much about Christianity's arguments for the religion itself, and the only one I have heard is the historical argument. I would like to present my case for Islam to you.

Can/have you make/made a video defending the existence of the Devil. The objection given to me is that the Angel sent to Abraham, Job, Balaam, and Jesus are all there in obedience to God, and that Ha-satan is the translation.

This is convincing

Nehemia Gordon a expert who worked on the dead sea scrolls and studied the most revered text in Israel has found in bomb proof vault vow points in certain spots of the texts of the name of the almighty that it seem the writer slipped in due too not being allowed to speak of spell the name of the All mighty and it comes out as Yah-ho-vaw if I got it write and he shows the evidence from these texts and why.

Can u made a video to proof god and Jesus are same essence

Phillip was unconverted and not born again when he asked Jesus to show us the Father and it will suffice us.... Phillip was thinking with his carnal mind ....just like all carnal minded trinitarians....and was expecting to see the Father separate from Jesus.... And Jesus basically answered him that he would not see the Father as a separate person from him.... When you see Jesus...you are seeing the Father , son, and holy ghost

7:49 - even if it did mean origin, I think that given that this is a prophecy concerning the messiah's birth in Bethlehem, we could easily just say that it's referring to the birth of the human messiah. This is compatible with the belief in the Trinity and the Incarnation for while The Logos existed from eternity past, the human body of Jesus had a beginning in the womb of Mary. So he "comes forth" or has his origin in the town of Bethlehem. So you could concede the point and it still doesn't imply that Jesus isn't God.

The argument about Psalms 2:7 is problematic to the trinity. If you understand begotten as created Jesus isn't God because it's not eternal. But if you understand it as an appointment it means that Jesus is not fully God because he need an appointment, and God doesn't need anything from anyone, less so being invested in power from others. In 1 Cor 8:6. What about the difference in "from whom" and "through whom" and saying the exact same phrase? It's making a difference, God as the origin and Jesus as the medium (not in a modalist sense). Hebrews 1:8-12, again, God needs to be anointed?

Are there Anymore Jesus vs Pagan myths videos coming soon?

In psalms 82 if you read the text it has lowercase "gods" meaning that they are not as powerful and great as Yahweh so the text is not emplying polytheism but rather they were powerful angels that were called "gods" because of their great power however they were not as powerful as Yahweh since they were still created by Yahweh. Yahweh has infinite power whereas the "gods" are finite in power.

Wonder and Counselor are meant to be separate titles, not the same. The Angle of YHWH calls himself Wonderful when he appeared to the Parents of Samson.

You should do a vid on the Gospel authors. It seems to be suggested the authors weren't who they were. Especially by some scholars. Also did Jesus really call himself God? Burt Ehrman says he didn't

love this video refuting jws & lglesia ni cristo a good book on the TRINITY is by DR MOREY

One of the strongest proofs, at least in my mind, that Jesus was God and the 2nd member of the trinity is found throughout the Gospels where the Jews and Pharisees try to stone and arrest Jesus for Blasphemy. I've often said that the Pharisees and Sadducees as well as the other Jews who tried to stone him knew PRECISELY what Jesus was trying to say. Also, when he defends himself as being God to the Pharisees, it's rarely if ever out of confusion, but because they're about to stone him and are accusing him of Blasphemy.

Begetting does not mean "a special appointment." That's a myth. And Acts 13:30-33 tells us Jesus was begotten when God raised him from the dead. Concerning Adonai/Adoni, can you tell us how you know that Jesus is Adonai but David was only Adoni? Let me guess - you will cherry pick what suits you. And your Bible tells you that Psalm 110:1 was fulfilled when God raised Jesus from the dead and made him Lord (Acts 2:33-36). Concerning Isaiah 9:6, why didn't you listen to Jesus when he taught you that "ONE is your Father." He taught us that we have ONE not two or three. And who is Deut 32:6 talking about? If you actually did your homework, you would find that Micah 5:2 is referring to the Messiah's ancient ancestral origins in Bethlehem (i.e. David's home). But somehow you are seeing something which is not there. Shall I continue?

remember, arians are different from christians, they are not christians

10:11 Michael Heiser enters the chat.

6:21 - What!? You're kidding! I thought IP was run by an archangel this whole time! I'm so disappointed. :-P

The book of Acts was written by Luke

The LORD Jesus and the father are one. For it is the father who works threw the flesh and the answer you seek is when Philip asked the LORD Jesus show us the father. The LORD Jesus is the visual image of the invisible GOD. LORD Jesus is The word at the beginning, one with GOD the LORD most high.

Its worth mentioning that following the council of Nicea 325AD the matter of the 'trinity' was by no means settled once for all! For a number of CENTURIES the nature of Christ's divinity' was hotly debated and only accepted as 'orthodox' by the direct intervention of succeeding Roman emperors who invariably used the power of the sword & spear to enforce its position as the 'official' teaching of a very secularised & wordly 'church'. Jesus said "by their fruits you will recognise them". Many have died an excruciating death for merely questioning this unbiblical doctrine! "My Kingdom is no part of this world" Jesus our Lord said!

You misunderstood acts 13 and so misdefined gennaw (to beget). It DOES mean to bring into existence. Thats what it means in greek and english. Check the respective dictionaries and See ff bruces commentary on acts for the right info there

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I love your videos Inspiring Philosophy but you are just wrong when it comes to psalm 82. The passage is clearly talking not about men but about gods or divine beings. It is a divine council scene. Noted biblical scholar Michael Heiser has an excellent book out called "The Unseen Realm" that goes into detail on this. There's also plenty of peer reviewed literature on the subject.

And how does it roll up like a garment. Or a scroll. Because there's a firmament a vault a dome over our head. Were God placed the Sun the moon and the stars on the 4th day. What's gonna roll up in a million mile billion mile expanse of space? How's that gonna happen on a globe? Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as molten looking glass. Job37:18. The Heavens declare God's Glory and the Firmament shewth his handiwork. Psalm 19:1. Which by the way is on Werner von Braun's grave stone. Things that make you go hummmm. You also read a passage about us becoming Jesus' footstool. Now would you have a spinning footstool? God's throne is straight above us above the dome above the North Star that never moves. Everything circles around us on the flat plain. It's as plain as Day. Go the ocean, and when the ship goes out of your sight range, get your binoculars or a telescope, camera and focus back in on it. It didn't go over a curve, it went out of your sight. Sorry Bill Nye the liar guy. May the Grace and Truth of Christ Jesus be with you all.

Great video, IP! However, I think the analogy should be "I am not an UNFAITHFUL husband, that I should cheat." You're not saying that you AREN'T a husband, or even that you COULDN'T be a husband, only that cheating is not in your nature. Just as the NATURE of man is to lie, the NATURE of an unfaithful husband is to cheat. But if God WERE a man, or were to BECOME a man, He would NOT lie, because lying is not in His nature. By analogy, if you WERE a husband, or BECAME a husband, you would NOT be unfaithful because cheating is not in your nature. Numbers 23;19 is saying that God is not MERELY a man. Any interpretation of the text to mean that God can not BECOME a man is tantamount to saying that God cannot enter into His own creation. Imagine if the Israelites had said to Moses, "God is not a bush, that He should burn, not be consumed, and talk to strangers" in response to the events of Exodus 3! ;-) Keep up the great work, IP. God Bless!

This was really boring. But I know that I will, at some point, encounter someone with these objections and will be able to use this video. At that moment I will be excited. So the future me thanks you for this.

only thing that I'm taking from this is that the scriptures are ambiguous, given the fact that the same verses are used to argue for exact opposite positions. It really seems the writers were even more clueless about the nature of God than we are...

Hey IP .... you jist punch the unitarian like the IP man

distorting the verses: numbers 23:19 God is not a man or a son of man Jesus explains what God is : John 4:24 KJV - God is a SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. the greatest proof is that Jesus preached he has a God and that Jesus was returning back to God. for those with understanding; he also called himself son OF God , the word OF is very important to read.

Thise simple if god is trinity, god was told as in bible but instead god tell as that he is one and there is no other gods if himself was jesus or other god equall him exists

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I do not see why Jesus can't be God if He was "begotten" at a specific "today" in the past. I think YHWH "begat" Jesus (not "created" Him) in somewhat the same way we "beget" children rather than "creating" them ourselves. Note that we can only "beget" beings ontologically equal to ourselves (other humans). Perhaps, likewise, God cannot "create" another Divine Being ontologically equal to Himself, but He can beget one (Jesus). Jesus coming into existence at a "today" in the finite past doesn't reduce His divinity or His unique relationship to YWHW.

*Public Notice* Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known. The following is not for Gino Jennings and his followers. Its for those that are seeking the truth. *He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:* God is Father nor is He the Son or the Holy Spirit. God is Son nor is He the Father or the Holy Spirit. God is Holy Spirit nor is He the Father or the Son. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. , I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am. And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: Jesus the Son of God, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; *These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass* In Trinitarian doctrine, God exists as three persons but is one being, having a single divine nature.[80] The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will. As stated in the Athanasian Creed, the Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated, and all three are eternal without beginning.[81] "The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" are not names for different parts of God, but one name for God[82] because three persons exist in God as one entity.[83] They cannot be separate from one another. Each person is understood as having the identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures.[84] According to the Eleventh Council of Toledo (675) "For, when we say: He who is the Father is not the Son, we refer to the distinction of persons; but when we say: the Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, and the Holy Spirit that which the Father is and the Son is, this clearly refers to the nature or substance"

Happily this thread is only 'online' refuting! right up to 1830AD and for over a 1000 years if you or I 'refuted' the trinity we would have been tied to a stake and slowly burnt to death! while robed priests chanted the 'trinity' around the cruelist of inhumanity to man conceivable! As they died you could just hear them call to God the Almighty Creator "In the name of Jesus your dear son, forgive them for their error!"

The sons of God in the old testament were anti trinitarians.....and the sons of God in the new testament are anti trinitarians also

In that debate with Buzzard, White and Brown, Buzzard didn't know his Old Testament. He knew little to nothing about the "Angel of The LORD" ,"Word of The LORD" etc.. He knew nothing about "Name Theology" and God's Presence. White knew a lot more than Buzzard, about the Old Testament, in fact Brown was the only one there who one could say, "owned the Old Testament". Buzzard only knew select passages in the OT, that dealt with the Angel of The LORD, that he could twist into his weird distorted view. I only say this because the Old Testament is chuck full of contexts of a second Yahweh-God figure, that Jesus fit so perfectly into, that the Jews of the first century had to ban the belief in this second Yahweh figure, thus it became heresy and believers like Buzzard bought hook, line and sinker...