Christian: *breathes* InspiringPhilosophy: you know who else breathes PAGANS

"Do you know who else believes in created gods? PAGANS!" xD

"If you don't read the Church Fathers, you don't know anything about Christianity." - Matthew Raphael Johnson

Christians pray. You know who else prays? PAGANS!

the analogy of the three musketeers killed me xD

I love how he says, "PAGANS" HAHAHA it's so funny. Great video. This guy is so intelligent.

"You know who also believes in created gods?... PAGANS!" LOL that comment made me laugh. Its funny because its true. Keep up the good work. God bless :)

Christians breathe in air. You know who else breathes in air? *_PAGANS!_*

Not only is this video very informative, but is also probably the most amusing video you've produced so far! Well done!

InspiringPhilosophy, You Sir are truly gifted in your work. Thank You!

I love how you spat the word pagans! Too funny :')

The bible has been attacked by non believers for over 2,000 years. Most of the criticism comes from misinterpretations, misunderstandings, lies and attempts to claim it as stories from other sources. All these fallacies have been disproved and the Bible is still here. The TRUTH cannot be destroyed these acts only serve to strengthen the Bibles words. Glory to God the almighty.

Excellent video. Thanks for the leg work you did to put this video together. Ive always wanted someone to approach this issue from this exact perspective. Thank you!

Thanks for the time put into this and the great points raised. :) Will you also be addressing triquetra usage?

If you are going to cite my work why not provide your viewers with a link to the video you are alluding to? Wouldn't that be the honest thing to do instead of setting up a strawman to box around? Here, here is a link kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idyjaNSpzcCVnYU.html And if anyone has sincere questions I am always available to answer them

I love at 8:55 -8:58 when you draw the comparisons between Jehovahs witnesses and pagans, "you know who else believes in created gods?..... Pagans!" Just good old fashioned bluntness. Hilarity did insue. XD

Yes! I just proved that the infamous and vicious Chinese gang "The Triads" stole their name from the Indian Hindu gods that came in threes!!! I'm a genius!

Beautifully put!

Thank you for adding a new video. This was done very well, and as there are a lot of ridiculous claims out there I am impressed you were able to explain it in such a short time. Definitely agree with you.

You record this video by reading a script? I would like to translate such script and publish it in my blog along with this video embedded.

The closest thing to the Christian Trinity I can think of is the Trimurti of Hinduism. However, unlike the Christian belief, the gods of the Trimurti are three different gods who are manifestations of the eternal spirit Brahman. Also, unlike in the Christian Trinity, all the persons of the Trimurti have incarnations (but the second person of the Trimurti- Vishnu- has the most popularly known incarnations, i.e. Rama and Krishna). The Holy Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost is a unique doctrine to Christianity.

Why would the early Church "steal" the Trinity from paganism, when they could have learned about God's Triune nature in the Old Testament... Great video BTW, BIG THUMBS UP!

Great job on this! This really rounds out your Trinity series which has been a great resource for my congregation.

AWESOME job, my brother !!! Keep up the GREAT WORK !!! Bless you !!!

Another great and helpful video! Thank you for everything you do! God bless you! Keep up the excellent work for God's Kingdom! :)

I was just going to say it sounded like King has been reading Hislop, but you beat me to it!

I needed this channel 👏👏👏

Finally showing some emotions, eh IP?

Unbelievable. Another masterpiece. Great job.

I'm really glad I came across your channel IP. Finally some intelligent, fact, and scriptural based presentations to counter the non stop onslaught from these "man made" religions attacking traditional and orthodox Christianity. As a member of a traditional mainstream Christian Chruch, I am constantly bombarded, ridiculed, insulted, looked down upon by other faiths and by my supposed brothers and sisters in Christ claim their way is the only way. They have given me there usually nonsense just like you described in this video and others, telling me to turn to God and repent. I've just stopped listening to them altogether now. I know there'll be another onslaught of attacks on this comment I'm posting, but at least the mute button is available. Keep these videos coming!

Well done!😊

Funniest video you've made! Keep up the good work and God bless your ministry!

amazing work

1.Psalm 110 The Lord says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." And verse 5 says, "The Lord is at your right hand." 2.Judges 9 shows the angel of the Lord as Lord by accepting worship from Gideon. Only to find the angel of the Lord talking to the Lord in Zechariah 1:12. 3.The 3 visitors of Abraham were worshipped at different times and locations as Lord by both Abraham and Lot. People, scripture is clear.

Thank you for this video. It's awesome

Slightly off-topic, but do you see any relationship between Christ and Kalki? Do you think they are talking about the same thing? (I don't mean one being derived from another).

Another great vid as usual!

Not to mention that the “THE TRINITY IS PAGAN” people typically distort or make up the family relationships between the pagan gods they accuse the Trinity of ripping off.

what's the Spirits name? We know the Fathers name and the Sons name ..but what's the Spirits name? can anyone help with this question?

Great video!

Short answer :no

I like your videos but the background music on some of them is annoying

this is awesome!

Have you ever thought about writing comedy, +InspiringPhilosophy ? My wife is looking at me like I'm crazy because of you dropping the line "You know who believes this? Pagans." I'm dying over here. Good stuff.

Awesome video! People underestimate Satan too much. Beforing being the accuser, Satan delighted before the presence of God, so much that he wanted to be like God. They forget all false religions and created gods are inspired by Satan through the which he seeks worship. Therefore, why is it a surprise to many that paganism almost, but not completely, resembles the identity of the True Living God? Most of the time is triad in these cases...Where did they get these ideas if not from the being that was once in Gods presence and desired to be like God?

***** if you made a t-shirt that said "PAGANS" i would be first in line to buy it

Hey IP what do you think of "Alltime Conspiracies" new video called "The Jesus Conspiracy"?

blessings!!! I needed to see a light a the end of the dark comments at the university, my professors and students. keep the light of truth shinning. Is there a book you can recommend?

There has to be 1 hour verson of you saying "PAGANS".

Making know of some minor differences and thereby denying for what it is, does not change what it is! So what there are many types of Trinities. It's worship given to a 3 in 1 God. It's Pagan! The Trinity is not only Pagan it's unscriptural! I don't even need to know the history of it being rooted in Paganism ... it's simply unscriptural. It's not in the Bible! "God is not a mere man who tells lies, Nor a son of man who changes his mind." - Number 23: 19 What is God nature???

I really liked this!

The Bible states that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God. Thus you can make the inference that this is what makes up the Trinity, just because the Bible doesn’t say the word “trinity” doesn’t mean it isn’t factual. “Trinity” is the term to define the relationship between the three. We know God is “omniscient” by way God is described in the Bible, yet the word isn’t in there. They are the terms used to refer to what is stated and described in the Bible.

Daaaang IP, you sound really frustrated in this video. I would be too if I was you. Guess we can both sympathize with Saint Nicholas when he punched Arius. ;) I like your points. To be honest with you, I kind of like the facts that Plato and even Hinduism had a concept of God or some divine triad. It tells me God has been discovered, but it wasn't until Christianity where full revelation was revealed. I think the God of the Hindus could actually be the true God, but interpreted in a Hindu way. Same with Zoroastrianism, and if you know the Bible, they had a good relationship with the Jews after they basically rescue them from Babylon. This i s not just for the trinity, but for monotheism in general. Socrates is said to be a monotheist. Probably the first monotheist in Greece, and he had no influences! He was killed for not believing the traditional Greek gods. God has been discovered, but interpreted in ways that cultures could understand. Even the early Israelites did it when being henotheist. But, eventually God has been revealed in the fullest by later Judaism and Christianity. I like the Neoplatonist conception of a divine triad. The One the Nous and the World Soul. It was influenced by Christianity, and some of the ideas Plotinus had for it are interesting and can be compatible with Christianity. It has been said that it was not Christianity turned into Greek philosophy, but later Christians turning Greek philosophy into Christianity. What was compatible with Christianity in Greek philosophy, the fathers used it. They could see such concepts as somehow revealed by God, or discovered about God in the past before Christianity. Saint Justin Martyr even calls early Greek philosophers as, "Christians before Christ."

That was great. You know who else worshipped created gods? Pagans! Brilliant. I love your videos and they are so well written, researched, articulated, and subtly funny. Keep it up.

"I saw 3 people!" "This means they have copied the Hindu trimurti!"

Perhaps all of these people you were opposing were actually talking about Modalism, not the idea of one god, 3 coexisting forms?

Nice vid IP finally I can talk with the JWs and INCs

100% well done!

***** is the modalism contradicitng with the trintiny IP?

For those wondering what the early Church Fathers taught regarding the deity of Christ. They absolutely taught and believed Jesus Christ was the one same God as the Father and the Holy Spirit. 1. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50-117): For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit. 2. Ignatius (c. 50-117): Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life. 3. Ignatius (c. 50-117): For our God Jesus Christ is more visible now that he is in the Father. 4. Ignatius (c. 50-117): I glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise, for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. 5. Ignatius (c. 50-117): Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered, who for our sake endured in every way. 6. Polycarp of Smyrna (69-155): Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth . . ., and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead. 7. Epistle of Barnabas (written c. 70-130): “If the Lord submitted to suffer for our souls, even though he is Lord of the whole world, to whom God said at the foundation of the world, “Let us make humankind according to our image and likeness,” how is it, then, that he submitted to suffer at the hands of humans?” 8. Justin Martyr (100-165): And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said. 9. Justin Martyr “Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.” 10. Justin Martyr Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ. 11. Justin Martyr The Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin . . .” 12. Justin Martyr For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God. 13. Tatian (110-172): We do not act as fools, O Greeks, nor utter idle tales when we announce that God was born in the form of man. 14. Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180): “He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body - God put to death! . . . [I]n order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened-because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree. . . . This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.” 15. Irenaeus of Lyon (120-202): “For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth. Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man. . . . He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; - all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.” 16. Irenaeus (120-202): “He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that He was very God, from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.” 17. Irenaeus (120-202): “Christ Jesus [is] our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father.” 18. Irenaeus (120-202): “Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.” 19. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215): “This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man-the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal. . . . . . . The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher; that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends” 20. Tertullian (c. 160-225): For God alone is without sin; and the only man without sin is Christ, since Christ is also God.” 21. Tertullian “Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God, as light of light is kindled. . . . That which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God, and the two are one. In this way also, as He is Spirit of Spirit and God of God, He is made a second in manner of existence-in position, not in nature; and He did not withdraw from the original source, but went forth. This ray of God, then, as it was always foretold in ancient times, descending into a certain virgin, and made flesh in her womb, is in His birth God and man united.” 22. Hippolytus (c. 170-235): “The Logos alone of this God is from God himself; wherefore also the Logos is God, being the substance of God.” 23. Caius (c. 180-217) [in response to those who would question the deity of Christ] “Perhaps what they allege might be credible, did not the Holy Scriptures, in the first place, contradict them. And then, besides, there are writings of certain brethren older than the times of Victor, which they wrote against the heathen in defense of the truth, and against the heresies of their time: I mean Justin and Miltiades, and Tatian and Clement, and many others, in all which divinity is ascribed to Christ. For who is ignorant of the books of Irenaeus and Melito, and the rest, which declare Christ to be God and man? All the psalms, too, and hymns of brethren, which have been written from the beginning by the faithful, celebrate Christ the Word of God, ascribing divinity to Him.” 24. Origen (c. 185-254): “Jesus Christ . . . in the last times, divesting Himself (of His glory), became a man, and was incarnate although God, and while made a man remained the God which He was.” 25. Novatian of Rome (c. 210-280) “For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it announces God Himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth Him to be the Son of God only, but also the Son of man; nor does it only say, the Son of man, but it has also been accustomed to speak of Him as the Son of God. So that being of both, He is both, lest if He should be one only, He could not be the other. For as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that He must be believed to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus Christ the Son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called also God and the Son of God”

***** Another great and informative video. Thank you so much for your work! Will you be doing a quantum mechanics video next? I'm really really looking forward to it! I know the Quantum physics videos require more research and more work and are undoubtedly more tedious to do, but they are revolutionary to this channel as you are the pioneer! I thank you so much for all of your work and I hope that one day you can do this full time!

Captain Picard facepalm at 1:46!!!!!!

Well done.

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Is the whole PAGAN thing become a meme here? Time to have fun then.

If there are 3 beings in One God, where is the Holy Sprit's throne in the Bible? I see one mentioned for God and Jesus, where is the other?

I just recently found one gentleman who was trying to explain Odin as a trinitarian diety. It was the neatest version of modelism.

Man the fact that in your arguments you quote Christian Orthodox Fathers of the Church says that you do know what ur saying.Bravo!Keep up your good work!Δοξα Πατρι και Υιω και Αγιω Πνευματι και νυν και αει και εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων.Αμην.

Christian: *exists* IP: "You know who else exists? PAGANS!11!!1!11"

Yeahyy I love your videos IP. Im praying for you, that your faith will be kept safe in the hand of your father, and that you are to be blessed/prosperous in your private life by Him! :) God is good! Nb! One thought I got though, be careful using facepalms in your videos. I see atheists use them alot, and I feel they use them just for expressing that we as believers are dumb. I dont think we as christans should do the same. Our arguments is powerful enough! :)

I really like InspiringPhilosophy, and think that he seems like a genuinely likeable guy. Regarding this idea, though, it isn't necessary to show that the Trinity borrowed from specific elements of paganism to discount it, but to show that there are sufficient essential similarities between it and paganism to call it into question. For example, you'll find quite a bit of variety between different forms of polytheism, to the point of being incomparable, but they're all based on the same set of "naturally occurring" fundamental errors.

I love this channel!! Keep up the good work

8:56 ftw..

As a Catholic, I say BRAVO, and God bless you friend!

Can you do a video--or direct me to a video--that explains the Trinity's doctrine in depth? One that addresses whether the doctrine, on its own, is truly monotheistic or not.

I feel like i gain the lost brain cells and more by watching your videos

Great video. Another good argument you almost mentioned is that since many pagan gods are single deities, Unitarianism must therefore be pagan - according to their own reasoning. It's silly what people will come up with when they assume that correlation equals causation. And even if Plato was close in his view of 3 distinct things which comprise reality, at least he was closer than others! It is possible for some people to be more correct than others, or closer to the truth, even unbelievers. The standard is not if someone said it first, but what the Bible teaches. If we presuppose the Bible is God's word, then it doesn't matter if someone held the belief prior. They simply were just correct prior to the special revelation of it. But yes, we do see plenty of traces of God having multiple parts even with ancient Judaism and the OT as they believed that there was a part of God called the "shekinah" which was the part of God that made him known and interacted with his creation. God cannot be seen, is omniscient, and omnipresent, yet even the ancient Jews understood that there was also a part of God that was seen in physical form (hence walking with Adam in the garden, or Isaiah's vision), God applies human terms to himself such as being greived (yet knew all along what would happen), and is said to be located in specific locations such as the temple (yet God is omnipresent). Also, the OT says that Yahweh created everything, and the NT says that Jesus created everything. The OT says everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh is saved, and Rom 10:13 says all who call on the name of Christ is saved. Jesus says in John 12 that Isaiah saw his glory, speaking of Jesus as the one he saw in the vision. There are 7 places in the NT which use the definite article and refer to Jesus as "the God", and Jesus is worshiped by all creation, which only God could be. These all point to the fact that God's nature is far more complex than ours. There is nothing in Scripture that teaches that God is a monad or is purely Unitarian. I would argue Unitarianism is heavily influenced by gnosticism, as was the case with Arianism and is the case with modern neo-Arianism with Oneness Pentecostals and Jehovah's Witnesses. And great point at the end. Yes, Unitarianism is more similar to pagan gods than the Trinity is.

PAGANS!

This channel appeals to both the mind and the spirit and the soul

you got the idea of hindu trinity wrong

Goodness I missed you so much. Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!

The sad thing is you don't even know that Trinity had a beginning in history with the gentiles, and you forget that salvation is of the Jews. imagine saying God is a three co-exixtent being, how heretic is that. God is one not three distinct individuals.

IP’s “PAGAN” is his “That’s modalism, Patrick!”

But it wasn’t mentioned in the gospel

How can you prove the Trinity from John 1:1 since this verse is prior to the Incarnation since the verse presents Two in Eternity not 3? Fact is that the original duality is also presented in Revelation 22:1 the Throne of God and the Lamb. So where is the throne of the Trinity and why isn't the Holy Spirit worshiped? Only Two are presented on the throne of Revelation 22:1 as being worshiped. You will not find one verse that sanctions the worship of the Holy Spirit in the Bible. Yet at the same time the Holy Spirit is not a force and is not an energy and can be blasphemed and is of the Godhead. So can you explain this?

8:56 PAGANS! hahahah

That picture of Diodorus of Sicily is actually of Ptolemy I Soster. The first Greek pharaohs of Egypt.

All indo-european “pagan” religions have three gods as main Gods. That isn’t coincidence. Also you take it as a bad thing or false a-priori for the fact that it shares this with “pagans” Thats a stupid assumption.

PAGANS! Lol. Great video, though, as always. Very well put together and thought through with great points. You destroyed Christ mysticism with logic, fact and critical thinking, as always. Job well done, good sir. Can't wait for the next video. God bless...... PAGANS!

I would recommend "Triads and Trinity" by J. G. Griffiths (1996) University of Wales press. This is a very scholarly work, citing references and working through Trinitarian references in Egyptian and Greek sources going back to Old Kingdom Egypt. The picture of something "Stolen" from paganism is probably going too far, but the first comprehensive accounts of any Trinity come from Plotinus, not from Christian sources.

If Christianity really is a product of Jewish and Greek culture (including Eastern mystery cult influences), it is probably the stronger for it. Compare: what does Muhammadanism have to offer doctrinally that wasn't already present and clearly expressed in Judaim and Christianity? Nothing. A boring claim. Our warrior-merchant-sex-maniac is actually a prophet! Christianity gave us something new.

In a way the trinity is Pagan. There has been much dispute as how or if this is possible. If the trinity is a singular God segmented into three individual concepts, actions or even beings then it is at least polytheistic. In Hinduism there were many sects and great minds who saw the world differently from one another, giving several deities different names yet the same qualities. In one version of the universe Brahma is like a great sea that had no boundary he is everywhere and is everything. Vishnu is the consciousness or will of this realm yet both gods are in fact the same being. Vishnu can also be thought of as the cosmic record of everything, the web within the sea where all communication and existence takes place. This web consists of every infinitesimally small spot surrounded by every other point everywhere in all directions in a boundless universe putting every point in the center at all times. Shiva known as the destroyer has two aspects of male and female, the female half is named Shakti. These two aspects are not separate but form one process that of creation and existence and Vishnu is the experience of existence. Shiva is the male spirit/energy or animating force of the universe which is in and is Brahma and therefore Shiva is Brahma. Shakti is the female base material universe which is the energy/spirit made manifest as the physical reality. Since Shakti and Shiva are the life and existence of the universe and therefore Brahma, and Brahma is all that there is the energy/spirit is in and is everything. Now I did say Shiva is the destroyer and that he is. He is the mechanism by which the physical universe functions, and to function chang must take place. Change is a strange concept which we have given the artificial concept of time. As all physical material is formed or organized into an active system it eventually suffers entropy and is dissolved back into it's original form of energy/spirit to be reformed into everything that will come after it's physical existence as all thing are that which has existed before and exist now since there is only one thing Brahma. So Brahma is consciousness, active creation, destruction and recreation. Three in one as is the Christian trinity. The Hebrew God structure is pagan in that it has several names of God male, female and androgynous depicted by the meaning in the Hebrew formulas that show their functions. This is no different than the Hindu system. Even the most common name of God IHVH is a four fold formula of the concept of creation. This is a complex Kabbalistic mystery which I do not have the time to go into completely except that I will scratch the surface with " I or Yod is the hand or that which makes and is the masculine conscious will. H or He which means window and is the universe and considered a universal womb, the passage in and out of this world. V or Vav is the nail or vine and that which binds, the animating force. The final H or He is seen through the window of the eyes and is the material world or universe, spirit made manifest. These letters/glyphs are also masculine and feminine and stated as the father, mother, son and daughter which are related to the four elements of fire, water, air and earth. If you take these as dimensions fire is the pervasive will combined with water the of emotions and the receptive womb which gives birth to steam a gas and the element of air, the concept of consciousness but also that of volume whicj in turn are three dimensions of youth element the material world. There is more, much more but as I have said I do not have the time.

For me the jumps in logic that make the pagan claims false are the same jumps necessary to find the trinity in the bible.

I will make a virgin pregnant so I will be born as human, then I will put myself in great pain. Then I will say, "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken myself?" ....I must die so that I can forgive mankind for their sins...

As a student of comparative religions, in my best estimation, ancient Heathen cultures personified creative elements, thus developing counterfeits to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. As always, feel free to disagree.

Pagan trinities existed in artwork long before Christianity did.

ohn 2o:17 Jesus is saying to her, "Do not touch Me, for not as yet have I ascended to My Father. Now go to My brethren, and say to them that I said, 'Lo! I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and (My God and your God). If Jesus is God, how can he have a God, when the Bible says there is only ONE GOD? Jesus said God is Superior . John 14:28 My father is greater than I. If God and Christ are equal, then how is God greater than Christ? Jesus taught that he and the father are one purpose not part of a trinity. John 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given them, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE. As you can see when Jesus said he and the father are one, he is stating they are ONE IN PURPOSE, just as those who Jesus gave glory to. They are all in one purpose also. They didn’t become part of a trinity. Simple question: If Christ is God the Father, then why would Christ be the beginning of creation of God? How could God have a beginning and be the first born of every creature? Colossians 1:15 Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature. John 12: 49 seeing that I speak not from Myself, but the Father Who sends Me, He has given Me the precept, what I may be saying and what I should be speaking." 50 And I am aware that His precept is life eonian. What, then, I am speaking, according as the Father has declared it to Me, thus am I speaking. Jesus does exactly what the father tells him to do. He receives commands from the father. He does nothing on his own. What he says and does is given to him by the father. Can you see how they are one purpose, and not a three part GOD? They work together as one, just as mentioned above John 17:22 If Christ is God, then how can he learn anything from God? He would already know it right? Hebrews 5: 8 even He also, being a Son, learned obedience from that which He suffered." John 8: 28 Jesus, then, said to them again that "Whenever you should be exalting the Son of Mankind, then you will know that I am, and from Myself I am doing nothing, but, according as My Father TEACHES Me, these things I am speaking." Another thing. Why does Christ not know the day and the hour of his return if he is God? Matthew 24: 36 Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, NOR THE SON; except the Father only. God is the only one who has knowledge of everything. Jesus knows what the father tells him. Christ also says John 5: 30 I can not do anything of Myself. According as I am hearing am I judging; and My judging is just, for I am not seeking My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me . Jesus said he is not seeking HIS will, but the will of the Father. John 6: 38 for I have descended from heaven, not that I should be doing My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me." See the separation? 1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ Jesus. If Jesus is God, why does he need to mediate for himself? Mark 10: 18 Now Jesus said to him, "Why are you terming Me good? No one is good except One, God." Do I need to explain this one? Nah, I’m sure you see it. I could go on and on with this note, and show you a whole lot more,but I am going to end it this way. 1 Corinthians 15: 28 And when all things have been subjected to Him (Jesus), then the Son (Jesus) Himself will be made subject to Him(GOD) who put all things under Him(Jesus), so that God may be all in all. Notice that when Christ has subjected all to himself, then he(Jesus) will be SUBJECTED TO GOD. GOD will become ALL in ALL. Everything, Everyone (including Jesus) is subjected to God.

When will you Trinitarians ever ADMIT, that you Trinitarians believe and worship THREE GODS?

Why was trinity accepted as a doctrine only in AD325 then? Why was it not earlier? Would Jesus not explain this important theology to his disciples?

It was more lively and personal. like you are explaning this to a friend i like that style.keep it up Ip ***** Dftba!