REL #17 Vector and IQ constellation diagrams on an oscilloscope

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Rudi’s Electronics Lab

Rudi’s Electronics Lab

Жыл бұрын

In this video, I investigate vector and IQ constellation diagrams on an oscilloscope, using an R&S SMIQ as the signal source.
03:04 Background and theory
17:51 IQ signals in the time domain
26:00 Parallel bus decode of IQ data streams
28:05 Vector diagrams
32:10 Using trace intensity (‘rainbow’) in vector diagrams
34:48 Constellation diagrams
42:02 Observing imperfect IQ signals
47:33 Final thoughts
Information on how to use the (undocumented) XY mode blanking function in the R&S RTB2000 oscilloscope can be found here: github.com/RudisElectronicsLa...

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@RodrigoForrequi
@RodrigoForrequi Жыл бұрын
Wow, I really like the methodological organization of your videos. It's a great way to expose experiments, ideas and concepts. Great lab too, congrats!
@rasherbilbo452
@rasherbilbo452 Жыл бұрын
It is criminal that you don't have more subs. Great videos!
@rjgarnett
@rjgarnett 5 ай бұрын
The RTB2000 XY function is really cool, the way it displays the time time traces for each axis along with the XY plot
@miqueles5783
@miqueles5783 Жыл бұрын
excellent content, thank you!
@sorcererstan
@sorcererstan Жыл бұрын
This is great, I was wondering how those diagrams were generated (and what they meant). Very educational! Now if only it could be done without buying big expensive equipment for modulation and noise generation so I could play with them.
@rudiselectronicslab861
@rudiselectronicslab861 Жыл бұрын
See the comment of Egon Otto below...
@rudiselectronicslab861
@rudiselectronicslab861 Жыл бұрын
I have now created a dataset that anyone can play a recorded 32QAM signal on a suitable signal generator... It can be found here: github.com/RudisElectronicsLab/IQ-for-ARB . Enjoy!
@sorcererstan
@sorcererstan Жыл бұрын
I did get one of the RF test boards you have, so I'm looking forward to see how you use the IQ signals of that.
@rjgarnett
@rjgarnett 5 ай бұрын
Colour TV used IQ modulation quadrature amplitude modulation QUAM for encoding the color signals.
@rudiselectronicslab861
@rudiselectronicslab861 5 ай бұрын
Interesting observation, now reading about it and indeed, Wikipedia mentions that "NTSC and PAL analog color television systems, where the I- and Q-signals carry the components of chroma (colour) information. The QAM carrier phase is recovered from a special colorburst transmitted at the beginning of each scan line." Never realised that. I do know that for later digital TV systems, they proposed an interesting proposal in which SD images would use something like a hybrid QAM4/QAM16 system. The QAM4 would be sufficient to decode HD images, while the QAM16 constellation points (requiring a more advanced received and a better S/N ratio) would contain the HD information. Cool idea, but I don't know whether it was ever commercially implemented.
@rjgarnett
@rjgarnett 5 ай бұрын
@@rudiselectronicslab861 Yes, And PAL switched the imaginary axis 180 degrees on alternate raster lines which cancelled out phase errors so that the hue didn't change. Just the saturation. PAL used a glass 63.9 us acoustic delay line to provide the "two raster line" average. The color carrier had a frequency that was just a bit higher than the maximum signal BW of the luminance signal. The PAL colour carrier was precisely 4.43361875 MHz. NTSC was commercial from 1954 and PAL was introduced in 1962. And of course all of the first color TV's used vacuum tubes. Damn clever I think.
@rjgarnett
@rjgarnett 5 ай бұрын
Excellent session. I've got a 6.4 GHz version of you SMIQ. I just used it for RF amplifier testing with no modulation. I didn't have a clue what the rest of the stuff did. I've always thought it a great instrument and I can also use it as an anchor when I go fishing. I've got a feeling it will do an espresso, but I haven't worked out that function yet. Digital RF used to be a bit of a nystery for me now I get it.
@ekkiplicht7283
@ekkiplicht7283 Жыл бұрын
Excellent demo of IQ signals, thanks :)
@drewwollin3462
@drewwollin3462 Жыл бұрын
Very good. Just what I was looking for. I will be trying to do the same but using more modest equipment.
@rudiselectronicslab861
@rudiselectronicslab861 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! In principle, any scope that has an XY mode (almost all do, also the most affordable ones) should allow you to see the vector diagram. If you don’t have an IQ signal generator, you might want to take a look at this thread where I posted some IQ files you can upload in a two channel ARB signal generator: github.com/RudisElectronicsLab/IQ-for-ARB To get to see a constellation diagram, you’d need a scope with some for of blanking (sometimes called Z channel). This is less common on (current) scopes. Actually, it wars a bit more common for CRT scopes (my old HAMEG 203-5 has it, I may one time try it for IQ constellations!). But perhaps you can think of other creative solutions (I have one on my mind… haven’t tried it though). Apart from blanking, you need to play around with the timing to make the scope display the dots exactly on the time they should be stable. There may be various ways to to so, in my video I show how I do so using (another) signal generator. Good luck!
@mubeenamjad1980
@mubeenamjad1980 7 ай бұрын
I suggest including a waveform along with a polar diagram, to show what it means In phase and quadrature components, in terms of time domain signal waveform. from my early days, I remember never understanding what this is in phase and quadrature..has to do with a signal (visually how to relate the two).
@ferdem01
@ferdem01 2 ай бұрын
Very good video, thanks!
@amirb715
@amirb715 Жыл бұрын
fantastic video. thank you. where did you get that breakout board to get the SMIQ aux signals from the back?
@rudibekkers7360
@rudibekkers7360 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! The breakout board is a standard DB25 breakout board which you can get at many shops, connected to a standard DB25 extension cable (ensure that all 25 lines are wired!).
@egonotto4172
@egonotto4172 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent video. Maybe you can generate an IQ signal with a 2 channel arbitrary generator.
@rudiselectronicslab861
@rudiselectronicslab861 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that may be an option. In my video REL#1, I used a function generator with something like 5-step sequences on each channel and played with the frequency ratio (e.g.; 2:3) to get usable timing and an interesting set of transitions. But such approaches stay far from real IQ signals.
@rudiselectronicslab861
@rudiselectronicslab861 Жыл бұрын
With my new setup, I might be able to record some real IQ signals and record them into a scope, save them as *CSV, allowing them to be uploaded into a signal generator. Will still take some attention to get the record length exactly right, the sync between the two channels, etc...
@rudiselectronicslab861
@rudiselectronicslab861 Жыл бұрын
I have now created a dataset that anyone can play a recorded 32QAM signal on a suitable signal generator... It can be found here: github.com/RudisElectronicsLab/IQ-for-ARB
@WA4OSH
@WA4OSH Жыл бұрын
I is in phase component. Q is the quadrature component
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