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Relationship Therapist Ranks Evil Exes in SCOTT PILGRIM VS THE WORLD
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Who do you think is the most evil ex?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are reacting to Scott Pilgrim vs. the World… with a twist. They’re reacting to Ramona’s evil exes and ranking them from least worst to most worst. But Alan’s got a twist on the twist! And then Jono comes up with another twist!? As with every Edgar Wright film, they giddily react to the stylized and witty filmmaking. Jonathan explains what makes some of the exes so evil, and he talks about what’s going on with Scott.
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@Jonathan_Collins Ай бұрын
It's canon that all of the evil exes when they turn into coins they wake up in their bed and realize being evil is dumb (at least in the comics).
@obara7366 Ай бұрын
Also in the anime!
@Amanda-zn7ox Ай бұрын
There's an anime?! I know it got an animated reboot on Netflix or something, but not an anime! Unless you meant the animated series.
@bombomos Ай бұрын
@@Amanda-zn7oxit's an American Anime
@Bahr-im7pn Ай бұрын
@@bombomos It was co-produced by a Japanese studio, so it counts as anime.
@Tsugimoto1 Ай бұрын
@@bombomosTechnically Canadian
@CroobieLetter Ай бұрын
Someone pointed out that the only Manic Pixie Dreamgirl feature Ramona has, is her haircolour. Scott has nothing going on, has a "quirky" hobby, and drops everything to solve all her problems. By all accounts, Scott is Ramona's Manic Pixie Dreamboy
@GoddoDoggo Ай бұрын
He also wears a stupid hat and plays guitar badly, just like manic pixie dreamgirls...
@liriodendronlasianthus Ай бұрын
The cartoon really proves this too, she really liked the idea of him.
@Shelby-sh2fr 26 күн бұрын
She doesn't have as many stereotypical characteristics of a MPDG, but she serves the function of driving the plot and motivating the male protagonist's development without getting much character growth of her own (at least in the movie). The manic pixie dream girl isn't a quirky character so much as a plot device.
@ronburgundy244 2 күн бұрын
@@Shelby-sh2frexcept by definition, manic pixie dreamgirls are not typically aloof and mysterious.
@reginamia8386 Ай бұрын
I feel for Roxy. Finding out you were only considered “a phase” and meant nothing must crush you. And in the anime adaptation it really shows how hurt she was from Romana leaving her
@jdhd2837 Ай бұрын
I can’t comprehend how hard that would be and how much that would hurt. Growing up is realizing that the good guys in this movie aren’t great. Also surprised that they didn’t mention Roxy being Katara!
@trinaq Ай бұрын
I totally felt empathy for Roxy myself. Though I identify as Bi myself, it must have been heartbreaking for Roxy to have been treated as a "phase", as if their relationship didn't matter. It seemed like she was more invested in the relationship than Ramona was.
@charleston1789 Ай бұрын
I’ve been that ‘phase’ for a few people - and yeah. It’s pretty crushing, especially when you’re young
@bombomos Ай бұрын
I mean it is what it is. If someone is not attracted to your sex. They are not attracted to your sex. Think of it this way. Would it be any different if a Roxy was a man? Then Ramona found out she was lesbian so she left him?? Would that crash the man? Sure. Would it be more socially acceptable cuz gay is more socially acceptable today? Yes Would it have been more socially acceptable in the early 20s? No Just cuz it's a woman or a man, straight or gay doesn't matter. Break ups suck and the reasoning for them varies. No reason to say Ramona should go against her own feelings to stay with someone she doesn't love. Just so Roxy can be happy.
@jacksparrowismydaddy Ай бұрын
yeah I'd be bi-furious too if I was just a phase.
@robertstoner4973 Ай бұрын
I always love that Scott's opposite is "a really nice guy"
@jdhd2837 Ай бұрын
Yeah a major point of the graphic novel that isn’t communicated as directly in the film is that Scott really sucks as a person and a friend.
@starrsmith3810 Ай бұрын
@@jdhd2837I mean the movie kinda seemed to forget that he’s dating a high school chick that’s not even 18-
@jdhd2837 Ай бұрын
@@starrsmith3810it’s canada they do things differently ig (/s obviously an adult in a romantic relationship with a minor is no bueno regardless of the nationality)
@tsunamiscientist568 Ай бұрын
@@starrsmith3810 I don't think they forgot so much as they didn't confront it as much as they should've. At one point in the comics, Scott is spiraling fuckin' hard, and he kisses Knives, who is now technically 18. The next page contains both of them realizing how terrible this is, with the narrator stating, "This kiss was terrible for everyone involved, including you."
@MilkyWayGrump Ай бұрын
@@jdhd2837Canadian here: that's just kind of... blatantly not true. There are some legal things about the age of consent in Canada that are different from the rest of the world, but those laws pertain to allowing *two minors* to date+consent with one another, NOT to give wiggle room to adults dating minors. (Edit: missed the /s, I'm a dumb dumb)
@Yardnoc3103 Ай бұрын
The movie doesn't go into it but the show and books reveal that Ramona has a TERRIBLE habit of just dumping people without warning or explanation. She literally just says "bye" and completely disappears once the other starts getting deep feelings for her.
@J-manli Ай бұрын
As another comment pointed out, Ramona and Scott are very similar to each other. Both of them dated for self-validation, but their repressed self-hatred makes them unable to make any relationship deeper or healthy.
@TheBloobster Ай бұрын
She actually almost did that with Scott in the movie, but thinks better of it and shows up at the record shop. It's still there... but subtly.
@AtriasNaradan Ай бұрын
@@TheBloobstershe ends up doing that to Scott as well after getting married to him for several years. It's on the animated sequel on Netflix.
@rosemadder5547 23 күн бұрын
I did that for my entire teens and 20's. I always had to have a relationship and always ghosted them once they fell for me. I didn't realize it though. Finally settled down, but with an abuser that acted like he couldn't stand me. I was so obsessed and we stayed together for 10 years. After that, when I finally got some self respect, I left. I decided to make myself be single for a year, and ended up keeping it up for 5 years now bc I love it so much. Went back to school, got a career, and I raise my son alone. He gets all my love. Paradise ❤
@littlesongbird1 21 күн бұрын
Sounds like a narcissist.
@batmanvsjoker7725 Ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, if my own ex considered me as nothing but "just a phase", I'd be pissed too.
@lauramcknight2321 Ай бұрын
Hell, even if Ramona was completely straight that doesn't mean she can't express affection for what they did have.
@MrEzuma Ай бұрын
Tbh, isn't that what most ex's amount to?
@Ragdoll161 Ай бұрын
@@MrEzuma Maybe, but the phrase "just a phase" implies that there was really no value in it. Life is a series of phases, always, and they always mean something to who you are. But it's essentially like being told "I never really loved you, I wasn't capable of loving you, and eveytime I said I did was a lie" Which can CRUSH your trust and self confidence. Especially in the queer community where so many people fight and struggle to find acceptance and love and just people who understand them without mocking them
@MrNicoJac Ай бұрын
@@Ragdoll161 I disagree that being a phase means it held no value or love. I've had many phases in life (some romantic, some like school or friends). I've also been those phases for lots of people. At the end of the day, I see it as them and me teaching the other something about their/my true self - or at least the person we'd like to become. If your love ends up being a building block for someone else's cathedral, it still hurts that they didn't build it with/for you, obviously. But over time I've come to see that the life they wanted to live is not the one I wanted to. And so, even though the rejection hurts, I'm also glad I got to live in my own cathedral. And if some of my masonry ended up featured in some (but not all!) elements of theirs, then even though I was a phase for them and even though it hurts, it still was not for nothing. You can be a meaningful phase, and if you helped the other person discover who they are/want to be, then there is also a kind of tragic beauty to be found in that... Cheers :)
@douglaswolfen7820 Ай бұрын
@MrNicoJac "a phase" can be fine, I agree there. But Romana said that it was _"just_ a phase", and she says it very defensively too, as if having a female ex is something to be embarrassed of. I'd be mad about that too
@SevenEllen Ай бұрын
An old friend of mine pointed out how Ramona isn't a nice person either because she just dumps guy after guy and takes no accountability for her behaviour.
@SavetheGenderroles Ай бұрын
In real world accountability is more complicated it's a fight on who should be accountable and who's unfairly blamed
@mmartinez9764 Ай бұрын
It has that Great Expectations feel to it. You think something is great and work hard to attain it, but it's not.
@sushiroll3795 Ай бұрын
That's the main reason that I love Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. It shows Ramona actually taking accountability for how much she hurt her exes and mending her relationships to them.
@askmeagain43 Ай бұрын
Yeah I agree but that doesn't make her a horrible person just flawed like everyone else. I'm always confused about people saying she falls in to the Manic Pixie Dream Girl category when she barely fits that archetype. You know who does fit better in to that archetype? Scott.
@GalanofTaa-rw8dk Ай бұрын
@@SavetheGenderroles I completely disagree. Everyone is accountable for their own actions.
@trinaq Ай бұрын
Kieran Culkin really stole the show as Wallace, Scott's roommate. I love when he nonchalantly covers for Scott for Knives, despite Scott diving out the window in plain view, and when he encourages him to pursue love.
@HalE14 Ай бұрын
Yes! He is so freaking funny 😂
@KokaKolaMusic Ай бұрын
He also lets Scott live with him for free, feeds him, supports his music endeavours, puts up with his bullshit and helps support him through rough breakups. Once Envy comes back, he immediately shifts his tone and becomes supportive
@alienatedlibrarian5017 Ай бұрын
He's well-written and his performance is the ultimate chef's kiss He's the best character by more than a whole bunch
@AzureRadio Ай бұрын
@@KokaKolaMusicNot to mention in the alternate timeline he CONTINUES to support him a decade into the future. Wallace is the GOAT
@MistaZULE Ай бұрын
@@KokaKolaMusic I loved the part where he genuinely helps Scott when he's down. Thought they were going for the uncaring, sassy gay friend with Wallace, but he's genuinely Scott's closest friend.
@transyuri4534 Ай бұрын
In the comics gideon is way more evil. He weaponizes negative emotions, and kidnaps all of his ex girlfriends and puts them in cryo sleep in wedding dresses.
@silentlyjudgingyou Ай бұрын
Eww
@transyuri4534 Ай бұрын
@@silentlyjudgingyou Yeah. Yikes.
@levelzerro4319 Ай бұрын
And Ivy is LESS evil! A straight up victim!
@victormirandakoepke8352 Ай бұрын
Actually worse, he created a virus that makes you self absorbed and retroactively changes your memories so nothing bad you ever did was your fault And Ivy is a lot better yeah, Todd cheats on her and she only reconciles with Scott way latter when he's not a complete ass anymore
@AtriasNaradan Ай бұрын
That's eeeviiill
@Epodmusic17 Ай бұрын
I love Knives SO much. Even though she had no reason to like Ramona after being cheated on (not that Ramona knew, but still) when she saw Gideon knock Ramona down those stairs, Knives kicked SO much ass. We love a girls girl, and thats one of many reasons why Knives is too good for Scott.
@Axiniana Ай бұрын
Knives is the absolute best character in the movie, even Wallace is a honorary second place! She has a beautiful personality and is very mature, despite being a literal teen. Love her so much. That being said, she does have her own flaws, like everyone else here, and this is awesome too. When she started dating Young Neil to get back on Scott? Not exactly the right thing to do, but a very teenager thing to do. And she really did say some nasty things to Ramona while still being sure that Ramona was the one who made Scott dump her. But again, she stopped being angry at her the moment she saw the situation. A wonderful girl (and a wonderful character), 12/10.
@waywardmind Ай бұрын
I would rate Roxie Richter as the "least evil" evil ex. From what I remember, she at least had something of a legitimate grievance: she was heartbroken by basically being tokenized by Ramona "having a phase" (or however they couch it in the movie). Every other ex is just being a little punk over what is ancient history. (edit: Okay, I could have just waited a few minutes for them to get to it. :D )
@lttrbox Ай бұрын
I agree so much with this. Roxy doesn't count as an ex - or really a person - in this movie, just a punchline, which you can see from Scott's only reaction being getting horny and verifying: "You had a sexy face?" And then, Ramona has to fight her, because again; Roxy doesn't count as a real ex in this movie, or a real person, so this is not Scott's battle, it's hers. I hate this scene and this movie so much for this biphobia and I'm honestly disappointed that it didn't get called out in the video.
@MistaZULE Ай бұрын
@@lttrbox she is a real character, Scott can't fight her because he doesn't want to fight a girl. It's more mysoginistic than biphobic. It's quite shitty by today's standards and by no means am I defending that scene, but it doesn't detract from my love of the film. Also want to point out that Roxy has more screen time than Matthew Patel who's just pirate looking song n dance guy, or the Katayanagi twins who are just the Japanese DJ twins. Those two guys aren't even characters. She has a real motive for wanting to join the league as she was straight up used by Ramona to experiment with her sexuality. If anything Ramona is the evil ex for Roxy and won't even admit what she did was wrong.
@silentlyjudgingyou Ай бұрын
Yup Ramona used her like a toy and it was not okay
@kylerivera3470 Ай бұрын
@@MistaZULE To be fair, being shitty and mysoginistic is in line with Scotts character. So the scene is good, but only when you realize that Scott is bad.
@aviendhaandreoli4078 Ай бұрын
She also left Scott after their first fight when he says he wasn’t feeling it yet and then she comes back later!
@BioshadowX Ай бұрын
I appreciate that Ramona is also not a perfect manic dream girl. With the exception of maybe Wallace, everyone has a lot of work to do on themselves in this movie
@naomitenorio2852 Ай бұрын
@@TheMask-q7l what does this even mean
@hannahg.8572 Ай бұрын
@@TheMask-q7l Are you having a stroke?
@ItsJustVxpor Ай бұрын
@@TheMask-q7lFrom what I could even remotely gather from this ridiculously nonsensical comment, that you're just an asshole
@ItsJustVxpor Ай бұрын
@@hannahg.8572He's essentially saying that these guys are bad therapists and that Male suicides increase because of Licensed therapists
@joelmole3157 Ай бұрын
At least until Scott Pilgrim Takes Off when he messes with Todd
@Kirusei Ай бұрын
I'm always surprised when I see people saying that this movie "aged poorly" when realizing that Scott himself is an ass who's as flawed as the other exes when that was the point of the entire movie that can be recognized immediately.
@liriodendronlasianthus Ай бұрын
Yeah, it's acknowledged that he's a terrible person 😂
@thomasdeluca5106 27 күн бұрын
It shows personal growth in the audience. The first time they watched it, they were less emotionally mature and were quick to defend a character they related to. As the audience got older and realised the character flaws they had grown beyond, they had much less reason to forgive Scott for his immaturity.
@h8today 24 күн бұрын
Yeah it's always been amazing to me. I picked up that he was a bad guy the whole time...he's dating a 17 year old and cheats on her!
@MSwede Ай бұрын
I once wrote a paper about how the Scott Pilgrim comic series presented a gendered subversion of Campbell’s Hero’s Journey because of Knives Chao. She is the one who goes through the journey with the indie rock scene being her “other world”, but the story focuses on the monsters. It’s in a way, a lesson about how real human flaws aren’t diagnosable through narrative structures, but we can use stories to contextualize our growth and actions.
@PelicanPirate Ай бұрын
That sounds really interesting, I've never thought of the story like that but it makes a lot of sense! 🙂
@Edwaradical4405 Ай бұрын
I have to say, I used to hate Scott. I really did. But when the film WHENT on and he actually saw that he was pretty much an A-hole and really gained the power of self respect. Not love, but respect for himself to finally beat Gideon, apologize to Kim, and own up to his actions. 10/10
@CinemaTherapyShow Ай бұрын
Jono talks about that too!
@KokaKolaMusic Ай бұрын
The books and the sequel series do a much better job humanizing him. I still adore this movie, but the comics do a much better job showing Scott's growth over the course of their year together.
@NicholasIrvin Ай бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShowQuestion for you guys.Could you do a video about house of dragon And it would be your reaction to the siri's so we can get a better understanding of very character there
@queenofdeen Ай бұрын
Yup! #characterdevelopment
@GreatWhiteElf Ай бұрын
When I was young I didn't like the entire movie, because Scott was the main character and he sucked so much. But years later I rewatched it to hear the awesome music and got a much better understanding of Scott and the other characters and their growth in the movie. Now I love it
@Sigma-gb9yd Ай бұрын
Scott Pilrgrim being an all-round piece of shit is the point, and the fact that some people don't get that worries me. Glad you guys saw that.
@StubbyandShifu Ай бұрын
Maybe it's just not that important to everyone.
@Sigma-gb9yd Ай бұрын
@@StubbyandShifu I mean, sure. But given that the entire movie is about Scott realizing that he is just a piece of shit, and then people shit on the movie and people who like it for being mysoginistic and horrible people, I don't think that is the problem
@Samanosuke1138 Ай бұрын
The movie goes to great lengths to show you he's a turd.
@elfteiroh Ай бұрын
From my experience, most of the people I know that are exactly like Scott tune off the ending cause they hate it (I wonder why), and only give attention to the parts where Scott is still disillusioned that he is a great guy…
@HarryBuddhaPalm Ай бұрын
@@elfteiroh I've seen a lot of people recently make the comment "I thought Scott Pilgrim was awesome when I was younger but now I see that he's a real asshole which makes me wonder if I was a real asshole when I was young".
@reginamia8386 Ай бұрын
Even if we didn’t get enough time with the Katayanagi Twins, can we all be in agreement that the band battle is probably the coolest fight in the movie?
@COSun25 Ай бұрын
I loved them better in the 'Scott Pilgrim Takes Off' TV series.
@Bahr-im7pn Ай бұрын
The actors didn't speak English, so their scenes were cut down. Plus, more scenes could've slowed down the story, considering Gideon first appears in the same scene.
@Dairunt1 Ай бұрын
Scott also wore a shirt with the bass icon from Rock Band. I really appreciate it.
@d.s.5259 Ай бұрын
Yes!! We can totally agree on that!
@shogunblade Ай бұрын
I know the hosts don't talk about it here, but the Twins fight scene is not only cool, it really brings out how evil Scott can become if he doesn't improve upon himself: The Soundwave yeti has green eyes ( green with envy), he sees Gideon and pines for Ramona more, there's also a sick reference to Flash Gordon as well. It's a great scene and Threshold is a great song. Edit: Scott's shirt I believe says 4.5 on it, meaning he could become evil ex #8 with enough time.
@aapur Ай бұрын
Honestly I would love to see a follow-up video tackling the Anime, as it actively tackles the pain Ramona caused by leaving the seven, and how she works to set things right
@Dairunt1 Ай бұрын
They don't do TV shows, but maybe in Mended Light, Jono's solo channel
@RumbleBee1102 Ай бұрын
@@Dairunt1They "usually" don't do tv shows
@crowbirdy Ай бұрын
Even if they don't do a video about it, everyone should watch the show, it's so good!
@chrispy2000s Ай бұрын
i would love to see that
@gzozgo Ай бұрын
I agree. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is incredible and is a really interesting and mature take on the story
@steampunkfox4932 Ай бұрын
I think the twins would the least bad of the evil exes since there goal is to get back against Ramona for cheating on them with each other and trying to manipulate them against each other
@WonderWeirdo2000 Ай бұрын
Okay, the way the evil exes are dying like danganronpa characters is the funniest shit I've ever seen and I watched this recently.
@elliethefuzzyturtle Ай бұрын
now you should read the original comics. you wont regret it
@stanley9868 Ай бұрын
@@elliethefuzzyturtleI'm reading them rn! They're super good
@elliethefuzzyturtle Ай бұрын
@@stanley9868 eeeee i know! arent they?
@stanley9868 Ай бұрын
@@elliethefuzzyturtle totally! I've only read the first 2 so far but I can't wait to read the others. They're just so great
@whitedawg2583 Ай бұрын
Jason Schwartzman deserves all the flowers for his performance in this movie
@osmanyousif7849 Ай бұрын
I swear, rewatching his performance makes me realize that this was why he was casted for Spot in Across the Spider-Verse.
@aullette Ай бұрын
@@osmanyousif7849 he was so good as the spot
@OpalApocalypse Ай бұрын
he is THE perfect asshole it's unreal
@plumbummusic2051 Ай бұрын
He's so extra and savours his role so much that it shines through the movie. Also... HE IS SPOT?! That's two amazing performances and I don't remember seeing (or hearing) him anywhere else. Underrated af.
@yourfavoritepariah Ай бұрын
All the Ramona Flowers?
@BatAmerica Ай бұрын
I'm so glad they didn't go with the alternate ending. Knives is a sweet kid who needs the freedom to grow up. While Scott sucks, Ramona is equally bad as both use their relationships to hide from their problems and only through each other can they push to be better people.
@Dairunt1 Ай бұрын
I agree, having the high school girl be the right one all this time for a 23 year old sends the wrong message.
@Lucifronz Ай бұрын
Especially as they now know each other's problems well enough to spot and call out the bullshit.
@avalon1007 Ай бұрын
Ngl, I was so distracted by Gandalf in the corner of Jono's shots. Please never edit him out, he IS too cute. I love him
@mantis638 Ай бұрын
I feel like the film brings up an interesting logical fallacy. One popular phrase people use about video games is, ”if I run into enemies, I’m going in the right direction.” While that works in a game, opposition doesn’t always mean it is the right direction. While it is good to face opposition, there are times that facing it would do more harm for yourself than anything else.
@bunniebie Ай бұрын
i think that comes down to the view of "opposition" - like whether it is inherently bad, or is viewed as an opportunity for change/learning/growth
@prettynpetty8342 Ай бұрын
I don't think Ramona laughed at one of Scott's dumb jokes while Knives couldn't stop trying to please him. When I was younger, I thought Knives was in the way but now I root for her to leave Scott and get with someone who appreciates her. Ramona was right, he was an evil ex waiting to happen. This movies really grows with you.
@Rayanaminge Ай бұрын
The thing that sets Scott apart from Rimona’s Ex’s, is that after he got over the relationship, he confronts what makes him an immature guy. He eventually grows from the relationship ending, rather than the Ex’s dwelling on the relationship and never growing. (At least in the original comic, the movie doesn’t go through that.) Also, canonically, the comic, movie, and series are all canon, just in different timelines.
@mr_fahrenheight1728 Ай бұрын
I don't see how Lucas Lee wasn't the least evil. Sure, Matthew was underdeveloped, and Roxie was just angry, but Lucas is the only one who went out of his way to be nice. Even in the comics and anine, he's just a dude who's trying to be successful. He doesn't even really seem all that into Ramona at this point
@amandajohnson3531 Ай бұрын
Yeah, for me he's probably the least evil. He has no horse in this race, he got an email and he was bored.
@justinkamperveen3860 Ай бұрын
The fact that they had Captain Marvel and Superman in the same band is nuts. 2 of the most powerful characters
@echidna8159 Ай бұрын
And Superman high-fives the Punisher!
@mnessenche 26 күн бұрын
most powerful band :D
@allydrake5634 Ай бұрын
It’s the “follows her around like an eager puppy” with Gandalf the White in the background for me 😂
@adamthompson4072 Ай бұрын
This reminds me: Mae Whitman is a criminally underrated actor
@osmanyousif7849 Ай бұрын
Honestly, it’s hard to find actors who are great in both live action and animation. But Mae is a literal hidden gem. Really deserves to be on the big screen more.
@phoenixdragon9 Ай бұрын
Her?
@PegasusPablo Ай бұрын
Her?
@gigabyte2248 Ай бұрын
Roxy Richter is played by the same actress as OG Katara and that's wild
@allenrubinstein3696 Ай бұрын
Her?
@DenderFriend Ай бұрын
I'd recommend checking out the anime, it follows the same characters but tells a unique story, centering Ramona and her emotional growth.
@mmartinez9764 Ай бұрын
She has emotions?
@KokaKolaMusic Ай бұрын
@@mmartinez9764 In the comics and the sequel, yes. The comics take place over about a year, rather than just a few days like the movie. There's a lot more development and growth when they have the time (in story) and runtime to explore it
@Kreepie11 Ай бұрын
I've never read the comics but the anime on Netflix was neat. A lot of fun callback jokes to the movie, basically saying, "nah, that's wrong; that's not what we're doing here". Very cute.
@AzureRadio Ай бұрын
And goes to show that Scott is indeed the most evil ex
@mareviq Ай бұрын
Anime is the perfect sequel to the movie. I'd love to see a companion video concentrating on Ramonas growth in the Anime.
@alorachan Ай бұрын
I am honestly so surprised to see Scott Pilgrim getting attention! I LOVE IT. Love the graphic novels, love the movie, love that they got the actors from the movie to reprise their roles for the animation they did just recently so I can get my graphic novel visuals with the voices I'm used to from the movie. So happy to see this
@ascenciopictures Ай бұрын
I think the most profound moment in this whole video is when Alan admits he used to be an evil ex. It honestly made me think about the time I was an evil ex too.
@TrelliessRose Ай бұрын
I was the evil ex, too.
@clunkyinc.5156 Ай бұрын
The movie makes being an evil ex sound kind of cool.
@TrelliessRose Ай бұрын
@@clunkyinc.5156 ... No.
@TrelliessRose Ай бұрын
@@clunkyinc.5156 ... No, I admit that with shame. I think about him a lot.
@mangantasy289 Ай бұрын
I knew this could only be fun. Mission accomplished.
@patrickmike2524 Ай бұрын
I thought Lucas Lee was the least evil, he even gives Scott a compliment when speaking with Ramona.
@reginamia8386 Ай бұрын
I want more movies as stylistic and creative as Scott Pilgrim Vs The World
@angrytheclown801 Ай бұрын
Have you seen Bunraku? It's shot as a live action puppet show.
@foldingwishes Ай бұрын
Check out the director's other works. All of Edgar Wright's movie are stylistic masterpieces. Baby Driver and Shaun of the Dead.
@GamerCalli Ай бұрын
One of the best things about the anime ( Scott Pilgrim Takes Off on Netflix) is how it not only shows how Ramona isn't a good person (her main issue is running away from her problems which is what causes her to dump all those people) but it shows that without Scott, every single character in the story has a marked improvement in their lives.
@KokaKolaMusic Ай бұрын
Since youve done this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE look at the sequel show, Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. It shifts the framing from Scott to Ramona, and it does such an incredible job going into the trauma and relationships between her and the exes.
@dmac4278 Ай бұрын
in addition to the universal music is the two neck cracks that happens perfectly in time with the music for Lucas
@wrestlingwithlife7297 Ай бұрын
Attempt #3 of asking for Spirit l: Stallion of the Cimarron!! Was my absolute childhood movie growing up and the filmmaking is so beautiful with amazing scores and concepts of loss and staying true to once nature even in the face of adversity!
@abimakes7800 Ай бұрын
I second this
@Valineris_The_Phoenix Ай бұрын
Yesssssasss, I second this! I think I even asked for it too once! Pleeaase do Spirit. It's a heart wrenching story, especially that there's no talking almost. Used to cry all throughout it every time I watch it! Also BALTO!
@KitsukiiPlays Ай бұрын
First time I watched it and was a teenager, I thought Ramona is a jerk and Scott is a rly nice guy. Then I watched it again, as a young adult, and realized Scott is a jerk, Ramona is such a cool girl and deserves better. Then I watched it as a grown adult that finally could understand the mess that makes us human and realized they are both jerks. And they deserve each other and, as long as they are trying to get a better version of themselves, it’s ok
@macthemeh Ай бұрын
God I hope they cover the Netflix series next. It goes so much more deeply into the effect of the league and psyche of the break ups and does a wonderful job fleshing out Ramona as a character
@Aaron-pj3ky Ай бұрын
I'd love to see you guys cover the Netflix Scott Pilgrim series. The way it treats the Exes would be perfect for this channel to analyze.
@ariwl1 Ай бұрын
*Before I click on the video* Scott and Ramona need to be up there. *After video* 10/10 no notes.
@freerhall3679 Ай бұрын
Psychology of an Antihero - The Man They Called Jayne
@rmsgrey Ай бұрын
He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor. Stood up to the man and he gave him what for...
@TheBioRules Ай бұрын
@@rmsgrey Our love for him now, ain't hard to explain
@Fallenfantasy174 Ай бұрын
@@TheBioRules The hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!
@angrytheclown801 Ай бұрын
This is how it feels to go insane.
@SavetheGenderroles Ай бұрын
He says its sad because he's self aware. But has external views
@smartshot581 Ай бұрын
You should also look at scott Pilgrim takes off
@krillgar Ай бұрын
"Chicken Parm isn't vegan?" 🤣 Off to Patreon to see if you guys included more about the Vegan Police.
@JonathanDecker Ай бұрын
SO much more.
@Matt42MSG Ай бұрын
One of the best out-of-left-field moments in all cinema.
@Bulldozer4000 Ай бұрын
Also gonna mention that the anime from last year does a lot to add more depth and growth to all of the characters, so it's very much worth checking out too!
@alizarin847 Ай бұрын
Thank you for covering one of favorite movies ❤ also, Chris Evans and his eyebrows crack me up everything time I watch this
@TheShadoes-zf9ts Ай бұрын
See Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. Scott and Ramona are definitely the most evil exes.
@hambone.fakenamington Ай бұрын
god i would love a follow up episode where you guys talk about the anime. It’s so well done and it more about Ramona’s perspective and is a whoooooole new story. It also has the same rockstar cast and is genuinely hilarious.
@rodrigocoelho7166 Ай бұрын
PLEASE DO THE SEQUEL CARTOON NOW! I think it has some pretty cool stuff to talk about as well specially regarding more of scott and development of the exes
@SalonNomad Ай бұрын
I really hope you guys do a Cinema Therapy in Scott Pilgrim Takes off, I feel like there’s so much you guys could discuss and I would totally LOVE to hear your thoughts on that series.
@thetubemz937 Ай бұрын
You guys should definitely do a follow up with Scott Piligrim takes off. It focuses more on the inter personal conflicts and relationship dynamics of all the characters as they heal through some of their issues
@itsmilan4069 Ай бұрын
2:36 I'm so glad they made Mathew the second main antagonist in the new anime 😂 dude totally owned the "evil EX" vibe (not as much as future Scott tho)
@GlenRAHenry Ай бұрын
Great! Now do the follow up series - Scott Pilgrim Takes Off Would love your collective take on that piece. Personally, love the development that they managed with that series.
@avaglennon9873 Ай бұрын
I was not expecting the Murder She Rolled ad, but I love it!
@SavetheGenderroles Ай бұрын
Ever have that moment when you realize people don't act or respond the way they do in stories
@dcworld4349 Ай бұрын
Once when I was 18 and told my first female best friend I was in love with her. To this day it might be the worst thing I've ever done to someone. I had this horrible realization of how I came to the conclusion that it was appropriate to tell her and spent a month punishing myself in various creative ways. It turned out to be very effective, never said those words again.
@ninetails0980 Ай бұрын
Is really good to see this video specially today. Today I noticed I hurt people. I talked with someone I've hurt last year and noticed my motivations to act how I acted with this person, making me as the protagonist of that story such like Scott did, don't justify what I did. I couldn't even lunch correctly when the feeling of regret and guilt stucked in my throat. And I don't know how I couldn't remember about all Scott Pilgrim's franchise (Manga, Movie and Anime) that I love so much and the meaning behind It. You guys are amazing and I'm grateful you've created this channel and help people see the hidden things in movies. I'm still a bit frustrated and also still accepting that I did something wrong instead of being the protagonist of the story, but this makes me a bit lighter. Thank you guys.
@tylerledgerwood4327 Ай бұрын
I think the ultimate Truth to all interpretation of this story is they are all people who think their "Nice People" but are really selfish in their own way.
@lucyferos205 Ай бұрын
Like the majority of people
@hydel_almighty3056 Ай бұрын
So, this is probably my favorite movie of all time. Thank you cinema therapy for reminding me that it's my favorite movie of all time. I loved this video.
@CinemaTherapyShow Ай бұрын
So glad you loved the video. Thanks for watching!
@Ebmorgan Ай бұрын
This is awesome!! It would be interesting to see another ranking of the exes from “Scott Pilgrim Takes Off,” the animated series that explores Ramona’s role in the breakups with each ex…
@gabriellaberman Ай бұрын
i’m so glad you guys covered this movie. it’s my all time favourite movie and even though it’s incredibly beloved, i STILL think it’s weirdly underrated. i have a whole page of the comic tattooed on my arm!
@KokaKolaMusic Ай бұрын
I assume if it's your favourite, you've seen the 10 year anniversary cast reenactment, but just in case you haven't, go look it up. They do such an incredible job
@gabriellaberman 23 күн бұрын
@@KokaKolaMusic i have!!! i can’t believe they got the whole cast!
@oxymoronman Ай бұрын
I hope you do a follow up with Scott pilgrim takes off, it really grows the story in alot of positive ways I think
@casualoddity5656 Ай бұрын
Literally squealed when this popped up in my recommended!! I never knew I needed this so bad
@MaskedBeeX Ай бұрын
This is my favourite movie and I was pumped when I saw this in my notifications. A few minutes in I was ready to ask for an episode about just Scott himself but you guys managed to fit him in too. Great video!
@LiteDisc 3 күн бұрын
18:55 a small detail I've always enjoyed about this part is that the sword's bonus for self-respect is higher than when he's fighting for love.
@mahdielkhatib Ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this episode for SO LONG
@LittleHobbit13 Ай бұрын
Follow-up video on Wallace Wells please. Truly a phenomenal character.
@liriodendronlasianthus Ай бұрын
Especially in the cartoon!
@madeleinereads Ай бұрын
Cinema Therapy always makes my day! Thank you to Jonathan, Alan, and everyone involved in making the videos!
@laylamorris2008 Ай бұрын
LETS GOOOO, I've been waiting for yall to do a scott pilgrim episode!
@CinemaTherapyShow Ай бұрын
Woooo!
@laylamorris2008 Ай бұрын
@@CinemaTherapyShow that was a fun thing to wake up to, this movie has to be one of my favorite movies of all time next to shaun of the dead. With the comedy, chaos, and characters its a masterpiece
@liriodendronlasianthus Ай бұрын
Same here!
@xwalkerx27x Ай бұрын
The Scott Pilgrim universe is just great. The latest animated 'reboot' was really well done with all the actors coming back to voice their characters was amazing, and I was always team Knives.
@PyroPrince Ай бұрын
Omg I’ve been waiting this episode for so long!!!! Scott Pilgrim helped me grow so much as a person!!! Thank you Jono and Alan!
@CookieKing420 Ай бұрын
I really do wanna see you guys do a normal episode on this movie. Theres so much emotion to tap into within this film. Loved this!!
@povarensky Ай бұрын
WE NEED CINEMA THERAPY FOR EVERY EDGAR WRIGHT'S MOVIES OH MY GODDD!!!!
@Matt42MSG Ай бұрын
Actually, yeah, we do.
@stephenbradford8524 Ай бұрын
Scott Pilgrim is based on a comics series by Bryan Lee O'Malley. While the comics are great, I get the impression that O'Malley realizes part way through writing that Scott is actually kind of a piece of crap. Maybe he knew that from the beginning, but it feels like a retcon. Either way, every subsequent volume (not to mention adaptation) of Scott Pilgrim goes out of its way to highlight that Scott ain't that good a guy. And it's brilliant.
@charleston1789 Ай бұрын
Yess! Was reading these as they came out and my best friend at the time really related to Scott - long complicated story but yeah there’s a reason we’re not friends anymore
@stephenbradford8524 Ай бұрын
@@charleston1789 I mean, I ALSO related to Scott. I like to think I'm a better person now.
@charleston1789 Ай бұрын
@@stephenbradford8524 glad to hear it 🙂 it’s genuinely great when a piece of media can help us grow. Sadly my ex-friend was not ready to self-reflect or grow at that time. He may have done since then but I went no contact years ago
@strawberrys0da714 Ай бұрын
I believe Bryan Lee O'Malley has stated in the past that Scott was never meant to be a hero, and that if he were to write it again he would do more to make that clear (which is what he did with Scott Pilgrim Takes Off). Scott being kind of a manipulative dick and learning how to be better is the main point of the series.
@littolleafboi4981 Ай бұрын
IM SO SO SOOOOO HAPPY YOU FINALLY PICKED UP SCOTT PILGRIM
@Phoenixftm Ай бұрын
12:47 I smiled when we see someone off camera petting the dog while trying to stay off camera. So CUTE!
@estherk5786 Ай бұрын
YESSSSSSS! Never been this excited to see a relationship analysis from CT!!!!
@kayleeblack4303 Ай бұрын
I've been wanting them to do this for years now.
@runningthemeta5570 Ай бұрын
Hell yeah! My favorite movie’s being covered.
@jennyo. Ай бұрын
I LOVVVEEEEE Scott Pilgrim VS The World and Edgar Wright!!! I am so hyped for this video!!!
@drackyslime Ай бұрын
I once showed my sister this movie without explaining any context going in. Really fun experience by the time Matthew came into the picture
@sydney9011 Ай бұрын
One thing that has always bothered me about discourse surrounding this comic/movie/show is that people try to just say "[Character] is a bad person because they did [awful thing]" when the WHOLE POINT of this media, TO ME is a show of how nobody is perfect, everyone fucks up when their young, but like Scott at the end, they can face themselves, face their demons and work towards making changes for the better. Like yeah, Scott is a piece of shit, but who isn't when they're 23? I feel like there's so much nuance you have to approach this media with when discussing it, Bryan Lee O'Malley NEVER wanted us to believe that Scott was a good person. Despite all the fantasy, these characters feel real because they're flawed. I'm by no means excusing their bad behavior but what I'm saying is, they were never meant to be portrayals of morality.
@Matt42MSG Ай бұрын
Scott has the potential to be a nice person, and he's working on becoming that person. So he has that going for him.
@DisturbedNeo Ай бұрын
There's actually an alternate ending where Scott leaves with Knives and Ramona goes through the door alone. They still start healing, with both apologising for the way they acted to the other, they just decide it's healthier for them to be apart instead of together, which might be just as valid of a take as them helping each other to be better.
@PsychoDiesel48 Ай бұрын
One of the best movies ever made. Edgar Wright and the entire cast kust killed it. The transitions, sound effects, visual effects, jokes, and everything are just top freaking notch
@VickyViolet Ай бұрын
Guys, thank you so so so much for even acknowledging my favorite film of all time. 🙏 And I would love to sit with Alan and nerd out about this film's cinematography, choreography, and editing.
@cierrarector3717 Ай бұрын
OMG YES I love this movie so much I have been waiting for this moment thank you cinema therapy 💓💓💓🙏🙏
@bobisapanda2655 Ай бұрын
- my reaction to them covering this movie - What!
@arkadye Ай бұрын
Especially in the books, but the biggest theme for me was about handling your past unhealthy ways. Scott just denies it ever happened (although Gideon did interfere with that in the last book, which I didn't like); Ramona runs away from the past; Gideon tries to hold and entrap it. All the exes represent some aspect of the relationship that's difficult (and often some unresolved problem from Ramona's past). And Scott - for all his faults - fights for Ramona and the relationship, and has to improve himself in the process. My absolute favourite moment in the books is when Ramona stands up and fights, not for herself, but for Scott. It's not subtle with the subtext. "Ramona earned the Power of Love [an awesome sword that also appears in the film]. The power of love has healed her wounds".
@rellikai945 Ай бұрын
Roxy is played by Mae Whitman, who voiced Katara in Avatar. Felt like it needed to be said before the inevitable Katara episode that will be coming at some point in the future. Also now that this episode has set the stage, taking a look at how Scott Pilgrim Takes Off rehabilitates a lot of the characters, particularly Ramona, would be a fantastic follow up someday.
@venom-ez2oj Ай бұрын
Not in the movie but the comic makes it clear that Scott will change how he remembers things to show himself in a better light. That story of him beating up a bunch of guys to save Kim isn't just a mean joke it's how he said he got with with Kim in the comic. Kim says the truth later in the comic, he punched her then boyfriend in the face and she left with Scott because she admits she also wasn't a great person then either but unlike Scott is willing to confess to it.
@mangantasy289 Ай бұрын
unrelated to this video, I just casually drop a suggestion of a non-ghibli anime movie (and even if for once I'm early, I'm still totally aware that you must get thousands of those and I won't stand a chance as just a simple youtube commentor and not even patreon etc. I still do once more) The award winning fantasy drama " *Maquia: When the Promised Flower Blooms* ". Not only is the art style very beautiful, but mostly it is a really thought provoking tale about motherhood, love and more. I'm sure you would like it. And bawl your eyes out. It's beautifully sad.
@the_gork Ай бұрын
I love cinema therapy because no matter how much I relate or love a piece, I can learn an even more deep angle and relate even harder
@medh7650 Ай бұрын
LETS GO!!! I’ve been waiting for you guys to do a Scott Pilgrim video. I don’t know why, but I feel like you guys would have a field day with this one.
@rmsgrey Ай бұрын
Something I like from the movie is that, while it's ostensibly about Scott confronting Ramona's exes and beating them up, in the process we also get some closure with Scott's exes - Kim Pine is still a part of Scott's life, and gets an apology by the end. Natalie "Envy" Adams is revealed to be a bitch now (and possibly then) but hints at a softer side while leaving. Knives Chau is too cool for Scott anyway, and Ramona is at least working on her habit of ditching relationships.
@believethehype3992 Ай бұрын
“I SAID BRING ME PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN! *(500) Days of Summer*” - J. Jonah Jameson
@mjenner151 Ай бұрын
Yes! My favourite movie! (and favourite graphic novel series) You guys nailed the message of Scott being a bad person but learning from his mistakes by the way, though I will say that part's done even better in the comics - the whole sequence with the Nega Scott representing all of Scott's past mistakes, Scott running from him for most of the books but then finally giving in & taking accountability is honestly one of the best things I've seen in literature (cannot recommend the graphic novels enough to anyone who loves this movie, they're so good!)
@akipolies Ай бұрын
I love this and I've grown with Scott Pilgrim as an IP and see it through new eyes with each viewing. I'm so glad that Bryan Lee O'Malley has grown, too, and I love what we see in Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. Could we see a reaction to that series, too? I think we'd see a lot a good lessons come of that.