Reloading 223 / 5.56 with Berry's 55gr FMJ Bullets (Dillon RL-550C)

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Recently, Berry's Manufacturing released their first Jacketed Bullet- the classic 55 grain FMJ 22 cal bullet for the AR-15! In this story, we'll take a look and get hands-on.
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@sahmadi1000 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for all that you do and share with us.

@kylek8436 2 жыл бұрын

27 gr. of CFE223 should be pushing those 55s about 400 fps faster.

@haroldburrell4973 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

@PBVader 2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking light loading non lake city brass, which averages 2 to 3 grains smaller cap. This raises pressure and velocity.

@PastaLaVista. 2 жыл бұрын

I thought I’ve seen cfe getting pretty slow velocities before but nothing like this. Something has to be wrong here.

@ChilangoDios333 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's like agula status .223 loading on the velocities.

@Thousand_yard_King 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was going to say, factory ammo is about 3200 FPS for 55 grain, I've seen 3,070 FPS for 62 grain steel core on my chronograph. His powder loads must be very small

@11C1P 2 жыл бұрын

Those have been out longer than a year. They're never in stock but they've been on the site for a few years now.

@ImageThisPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

Yup. I bought two boxes (1000 bullets) in 2020.

@putinimpotent2044 2 жыл бұрын

Something seems off…..a 24” barrel should get you >3200 fps with normal factory ammo for a 55 FMJ round.

@R1j0hn 2 жыл бұрын

The point of handloading isn't to achieve maximum velocity, or to blindly mimic factory ammo speeds... It's maximum accuracy, which sometimes means slowing a bullet down from typical factory ammo muzzle velocities. YMMV And in some cases guys load ammo at a reduced powder charge for plinking ammo, for reduced recoil or to make their powder-supply last longer.

@ErikS308 2 жыл бұрын

@@R1j0hn For that load, his numbers are VERY low. 27gr of CFE under a 55 should easily be over 3200 in in that long barrel and in the 3000 or so range for the 16in AR.

@putinimpotent2044 2 жыл бұрын

@@R1j0hn okay grasshopper. 👍

@WayStedYou 2 жыл бұрын

@@R1j0hn He is literally getting 22 hornert velocity out of a 223

@shootloadrepeat Жыл бұрын

Probably ran out of case capacity. CFE223 is a really slow powder for .223 and 55 gr. from what I heard and is better for heavier bullets such as 62 or 75-77 (I don't use it much cause it's mediocre) H335 is a more suitable powder for this caliber

@DimaProk 2 жыл бұрын

2450fps only?? There must be some kind of mistake, my 18" barrel produced 3125fps across 10 shots with older TAC 223 ammo. Reloads: 3154fps with 55gr and 25.6gr Benchmark powder seated 2.2" measured with Lab Radar. With other powders it's in 3000 - 3100 range. Even with 16" barrel I would expect it to be in 2900 - 3000 range.

@PBVader 2 жыл бұрын

I think he has light loaded non lake city brass.

@WayStedYou 2 жыл бұрын

Literally slower than a 22 hornet in 55 grain lmao.

@HighPriestVaticanAssasin 2 жыл бұрын

Also didnt look like the chrono was right at the muzzle

@DimaProk 2 жыл бұрын

@@HighPriestVaticanAssasin standard setup is 10 - 15 ft from the muzzle.

@longrangevoodoo4480 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, very good timing. I was literally making this exact same load today. Shooting it tomorrow. *edit* on the exact same press, my dillon 550.

@doubleJ690 2 жыл бұрын

So jealous of your full auto setup!

@p03saucez 2 жыл бұрын

0:05 Sightmark-equipped upper on badass Aero M4E1 machine gun lower. Makes sense lol. I love this channel.

@rudyvazquez8230 2 жыл бұрын

Love your Sightmark optic.🇺🇸

@mrushing76 2 жыл бұрын

The slow velocity comments below is what I was thinking also...I wish Gavin would respond/explain

@Johnny-jr2lq 2 жыл бұрын

Out of my 20” 27.8grs of CFE223 gave me a average velocity of 3098fps a SD of 31.6. Then I tested 27.0grs of IMR 4320. I got a average of 3086 fps and a SD of 7.6 big difference in SD # with close to the same velocity. It’s to bad the 4320 is no longer made. I like cfe 223 a lot it’s a good powder I just don’t think it mixes well with the Berrys 55gr fmj. I’m kinda confused however your data is really slow compared to mine. You were 0.8grs lighter than me but the bolt gun should have been the the 2900 fps I would think.

@raydunham9758 2 жыл бұрын

I have loaded a ton of Barry's FMJ's on my 550c that is setup very similar to yours. I would be curious to put the Barry's next to the AAC's that PSA is putting out since they are priced similarly

@waynemensen4252 2 жыл бұрын

That is the typical first time, full auto, laugh of joy. I wish all Americans could experience that feeling!!

@waynemensen4252 2 жыл бұрын

CFE 223 is temp sensitive. I'm glad I finally ran out of it. Coyote hunting in MN can be from 40° to -30°. Then I get a chance to go to TX for hogs and have to retest my loads because it's 60°. Nope, I'm going to try the 3188?? you tested, that has copper fowling eliminator!! Thanks for that!! I can't find it back. Do I have the wrong number???? 4166!! CFE and temp. Stable!!

@MeltheNut 2 жыл бұрын

Been loading 26 gr CFE with Berry's for years now. Makes a great plinking load.

@guardianminifarm8005 2 жыл бұрын

This is absolutely fantastic. More bullets on the market is definitely a really good thing. I am very interested in what kind of accuracy I could expect from both platforms. Thank you sir.

@waynemensen4252 2 жыл бұрын

Many suppliers never ran out of fmj bullets, during the last two years. They are for target shooting and wounding animals.

@jswnv7775 2 жыл бұрын

Would like to have seen how these stack up accuracy wise to some of the competition, especially the Hornady 55 gr, FMJ which is kind of the standard. Maybe you don't want to possibly upset a sponsor? Anyway, I enjoy your videos.

@louiscapasso4452 2 жыл бұрын

I bought a 500 round box of these around three years ago. I had nothing but problems with them. They seemed to deform when crimping no matter how little crimp. The diameter was off on some of them. Some would be tight without crimping and others would just fall right in to the case without seating them. I try to spend my money with local companies, but when it comes to these bullets I just save my money. Just a note I have never had a problem with their pistol bullets, and purchase them quite often.

@JohanvanderWerff 2 жыл бұрын

Could I ask or make a request on your thoughts on barrel break in as well as the cleaning of a new rifle and where to go from there? Maybe a video on that

@Dwayne7834 2 жыл бұрын

Good information and video. Seems like a little low on FPS . For plinking probably ok.

@Dave-cf2ng 2 жыл бұрын

I just put a brass goat on my 6 arc. Helps me keep track of my brass.

@burtonurnie4961 2 жыл бұрын

I'd bought a 500 box of these berry's a few months ago. I just finished loading the first of them a couple hours ago in 22-250.

@theomnipresent1 6 ай бұрын

How did the Berry's bullet's group? There's very little good data out there on them, and the reviews I've heard were mediocre.

@K-bob_45 2 жыл бұрын

So assuming it was fired brass and boat tail bullets could you use a bushing die to size and skip the crimp? Also since you aren’t crimping wouldn’t trimming be less critical assuming none were too long?

@jimgirton2764 2 жыл бұрын

You should see if you can speed up loading with the Franklin arsenal drop in bullet seater

@H.R.6688 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta be out longer than that, I bought a box just like it a few years ago.

@bgp2133 2 жыл бұрын

Do you lube the cases before progressive loading and then again after they are load to get lube off the brass?

@KA-id4wt Жыл бұрын

I'm real confused, I load 27gr of cfe with the Hornaday 55gr and my velocities are 3100 out of my 16" Ar.

@reloadnorth7722 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. Last fall I bought a bulk box of 500, then the snow hit, lots of snow, here in north east Ontario Canada. Still waiting for it to leave to try them.

@johnny-james 2 жыл бұрын

No kidding Im north of Gatineau here and this winter was one of the coldest in years,, any shotshell primers up there? I've only had access to the pistol and rifle primers here locally, been breaking down cheap shells to get shotshell primers for running in my ponsness warren press and mec jr for 20 gauge 😐

@reloadnorth7722 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnny-james I usually get my supplies from Elwood Epps in Orillia. or Higginson in Hawkesbury. The Berry's bullets I got from Cabelas in Barrie on sale. The other best closest place to me is Reloaders Den in Sudbury. Happy shooting and stay safe.

@WayStedYou 2 жыл бұрын

2450 is like 22 hornet velocities. What happened?

@vikp6115 2 жыл бұрын

I shot 69/70 grain sierra and RMR bullets at 2700/2800 fps no pressure with Tac ramshot , you get some low velocity that's for sure with 55 grain !

@bungiemia 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing I experienced with the Berry's 55 grainers is that they were super inaccurate, not all the time but would have flyers off paper at 50 to 100 yards. Even extreme, mag tech, armscor grouped better than these.

@ImageThisPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I posted my data here for reference.

@ronmartblog 2 жыл бұрын

Oh man that’s CMMG looks so fun! Jealousy!

@Ultimatereloader 2 жыл бұрын

Insanely fun!

@ronmartblog 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader can I love you and hate you at the same time? Ha ha 🙌🏻

@troyarneson3280 2 жыл бұрын

Where are you finding primers? I have paid 2 for them and got scammed.

@tartredarrow 2 жыл бұрын

There's no way you're dropping 27gr of powder here. You velocities are 400-500fps below what you should be getting....

@H.R.6688 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking.

@adamturnbull6157 2 жыл бұрын

Should be getting well over 3000 fps with that long barrel...

@DerekJones 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I Use 27.5gr of CFE223 and a Nosler 55gr and and 3200-3300+ out of my 24" barrel. Might have been some faster, I didn't chrono everything. I also didn't use a mag primer, just a WSR.

@58harwood 2 жыл бұрын

You haven’t figured it by now, he’s a Clown! 🤡

@tartredarrow 2 жыл бұрын

@@58harwood he's a shill at the very least.

@yukon4545 2 жыл бұрын

Yup, Hornady book says 27 gr. for 55 gr. bullet...3200 gps, your chrono's broke.

@TexasTrained 2 жыл бұрын

I hope Berry's comes out with 77gr and 80.5 as well as 88gr for .224

@davidtasker6729 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question, 193 ball by lake city Federal was over 3200 fps out of a 20 inch barrel on a M16 A2, that’s the speed that they designed for be use of the terminal damage to said target. Out of a 16 inch I’ve read that you can expect 2900 fps on target again terminal ballistics says it kills said target. Is it not better to get the 2900 fps. am I wrong about the subject. A .224 is only effective against a target if it has velocity enough to make that bullet yah during the entrance to the target. I question the 2400 fps ability to meaningly effect a target down range. Once again am I wrong, have I got my data skewed.

@PBVader 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing I can think of is brass case cap. Lake city in 308 is 2 to 3 grains smaller than Win and others alike, resulting in higher pressures and velocity.

@Burris19D 2 жыл бұрын

You are correct, more velocity is better and I believe either his chrono is wrong in this video or he did not load 27.0 gr like he said since CFE 223 should be pushing close to that 2900 fps with that load. I like to load for max velocity as long as the accuracy is still there, with 5.56/223 velocity is what matters most on target. For that matter, velocity matters most for pretty much every round. With all the testing I've seen over the years the standard FMJ round will fragment violently at 2900-3200fps. And will fragment decently at 2600-2900fps with some still fragmenting slightly down to 2500fps or slightly less. But this depends on the yaw of the round entering the target and every round will not always fragment. If you want good self defense rounds use either a bonded SP like the Federal Fusion/ Speer Gold Dots which can be had for reloading and will expand reliably down to around 2200fps if memory serves. Or use a heavy OTM round like the 68-69gr or 75-77gr Sierra SMK or Nosler, or Hornady. The heavy OTM rounds almost always produce the most damage on target when looking at ballistics gel and real meat tests but if you are shooting through barriers like glass, car doors, interior walls etc. the bonded SP rounds kick butt. A good mix of bonded SP rounds and heavy OTM rounds is perfect for loading up for defense. And the lightweight 55 and even 62gr FMJ at times do very well if it's all you have and you push them fast. But when reloading it doesn't cost much more to load good rounds over cheap FMJ rounds especially if you buy factory pulled down bullets from places like American Reloading. I've bought a lot of bonded SP rounds for way under $100 per k when in stock and on sale. If you use the 62gr try to get the regular lead core version like Hornady sells since it should fragment better then the SS109/green tip rounds with steel inside. If you read this novel, I hope it answered something.

@dbelex 2 жыл бұрын

Great, now just have to find primers...........

@donaldknudsenjr2385 23 күн бұрын

What would be your recommendation for 223/556 using the 69 grain SMK BTHP? Powder, Charge?

@wayne-oo 2 жыл бұрын

I think your magnum primers are messing with your loads fps ! Why use them first off and maybe load identical loads with different types of primers ??

@cogunlover5550 2 жыл бұрын

Where did you find wolf primers? Send me some

@halfdollar86 2 жыл бұрын

I’m gonna say he got these when Obama was still president

@wrenchoperator6435 2 жыл бұрын

I'm curious, why magnum primers in such a small case?

@kyncaith 2 жыл бұрын

Magnum small rifle primers (like CCI 450) are often used in semi-auto rifles like the AR with a floating firing pin because the cups are harder. In fact the CCI 41s, which are the 5.56 NATO primers, have the exact same cup construction as the 450s and, from what I've read, the same priming compound. The only difference is the 41s anvil is shorter, which requires more primer strike. All of this is of course meant to reduce the odds of slam fires.

@wrenchoperator6435 2 жыл бұрын

@@kyncaith thanks!

@rustynut1967 2 жыл бұрын

Wasting primers on that load should be a crime. 😮‍💨

@R1j0hn 2 жыл бұрын

@ 6:40 - kind of misleading though, your cold-bore bolt action shot was ~75 fps slower than the rest (which only had a 23 fps max spread)...

@IndependentArmz Ай бұрын

I see that gun is just sitting there as an example. The muzzle device is sideways... almost

@glendavis9663 2 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@natejackson4791 2 жыл бұрын

First in, thanks G!

@Ultimatereloader 2 жыл бұрын

First confirmed :)

@imwatchingyounow2 2 жыл бұрын

Serious question how do you own a full auto in W.A? From my understanding only law enforcement and Military and class 3 FFL dealers with intent to sell to law enforcement and Military can own them in Washington State. Your content is priceless by the way thank you for what you do.

@Ultimatereloader 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we are a FFL 07 + SOT, and are working with LEO, etc, see: commercial.ultimatereloader.com/

@imwatchingyounow2 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader sweet sweet Freedom thank you. That's awesome.

@johnny-james 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader Can you shoot restricted class firearms on your own property in the states? or is it because your also a legitimate range? here in canada legally you can only fire your restricted guns at a range that allows that, not on your own property or private range and certainly not on governent land. The strict laws on sidearms here ensures only violent criminals are concealed carrying. probly without a holster too 🤔

@ImageThisPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnny-james Canada sucks

@Knightslugger 2 жыл бұрын

2500 fps seems aweful slow for 55gr 5.56.x45. Sounds like you're staying in SAAMI territory.

@Ultimatereloader 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think I can push these way further with a more aggressive powder charge!

@rustynut1967 2 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. I don't have the time or primers to waste loading these.

@DTWCT 2 жыл бұрын

I came to say the same. I averaged 2965fps with 27gr and CCI 450s out of my 16"

@Knightslugger 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader I think if you're wanting m193 speeds you should be using Ramshot TAC or the venerable AA2230.

@DimaProk 2 жыл бұрын

@@DTWCT That's what I would expect, his was awfully slow.

@peterschmidt2849 2 жыл бұрын

Wayyyy slow for cfe 223.

@vikp6115 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be even waisting my primers on 55 grain plinking bullets

@halfdollar86 2 жыл бұрын

I’m willing to bet he has plenty to waste and can get what he needs to replace if he wants.

@viclashawn2201 Жыл бұрын

Nice video, however you Definitely have a Velocity problem! 2400 fps w/ 27 gr !!! Get another chronograph perhaps...

@thompsonjerry3412 2 жыл бұрын

How about 3100 feet per second like it should be.

@2pugman 2 жыл бұрын

I don't have a "fun" switch.

@joerunser2150 Жыл бұрын

2.24" does not feed correctly.

@possumpopper89 2 жыл бұрын

Disappointing velocity.

@007ianmclaren 2 жыл бұрын

To make IPSC minor factor you will need above 2800 fps ie 2800x55=F154. Soo, your out of the ball park

@timmcfarland3311 Жыл бұрын

Can’t you just call it a 223 rifle?

@userJohnSmith 2 жыл бұрын

Wow this is way slow. I'd be concerned about squibs slow...

@ImageThisPhoto 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thats super slow fps! Here are my loads: Berrys 55gr FMJ 2.231" - 2.229", AA2230 25.2gr. Standard Win Small Rifle primer = With a 16" barrel I got 2,976 fps. With a 20" I got 3,127fps. Not impressed with accuracy at all. Ive tested about 10 loads now with different powders and seating depths and settled on the above...

@pawhitetailaddictiontv9105 2 жыл бұрын

Never trust a guy running a sightmark on a full auto.. sir do you actually shoot more than just for videos?

@dougearl742 2 жыл бұрын

Very underwhelming. There are a million 55 grain FMJ’s to choose from already. How about some 77 grainers considering the vast majority of .223’s are now 1-7 or 1-8” twist. Nobody makes a 77 grain FMJ.