I did as well recently purchased a 243 1:8 I’ll look out for a new 7 too which I think is better than the prc

Thanks for the info Aaron! I have both calibers, only in a 1/10 in my .243 and 1/9 twist in my 7mm Rem mag. A 1/8 would be nice to shoot heavier projectiles 👊😎🇺🇸

You're welcome

I seen comments on a post somewhere that hornady initially loaded 7prc with reloader 26 but had to switch to staball due to powder shortages. I've also seen people claim that the initial batch of factory ammo was a good bit faster..much controversy around the 7prc lol I have a rem 700 in 7prc I figure since it's made such a splash ..sooner or later someone will get their factory ammo right.

​@@aaroncrawford2457not to mention most of the people getting bad results with 7PRC are using entry level rifles.

You are wrong. They changed powder because they said they could not get the powder originally loaded anymore. It was getting stated velocity. And Federal gets the stated velocity. It is a target cartridge that can be used hunting as well. It does what it was designed to do.

My original boxes hit 3030fps out of a 24" barrel. Powder change hurt the ballistics

​@HazardousRob HAHAHAHA right.

You can seat long with the rem mag lol especially if you got a custom rifle or even a browning on some guns are made long. The tolerance is whatever you make it I don’t understand that statement

I agree with all your points but if the prc wasn't supposed to compete with the rem mag why do hornady keep overstating the prc's performance. In my mind hornady are pushing the prc to try to take market share away from the rem mag and it simply can't compete with it

@@craigmandall9420 Hornady developed the cartridge. It does what it was made to do, and they are great at marketing. So, you are right, but then again, the 7mm PRC is a great cartridge for what it was made to do. It is silly to have to re-barrel or get a custom rifle just to match or do better than an off the shelf rifle that does the job. Hornady shot themselves in the foot when they changed powder and lowered the velocity of their loads. They should have known better. But the cartridge is designed well. Very little if any stretch in the case when resized. And one can get book velocities in a good rifle using the right powder.

Well said. Shoot what works for you and don't try to compare calibers or cartridges without stating it's intended purpose! I wish more people would be specific. Are you claiming cartridge x is better than y for benchrest? Elr? Prs? Hunting? Plinking? Fitting multiple roles? Mil/le usage? That's a real debate. Just arbitrarily claiming one is superior just comes off as well I drive a Ford and daddy drove a Ford, never drove anything else but I'm 100% sure ford is the best truck you can get. Lol

You Are Exactly Right.

Happy Easter!

Just think how many times it took to get the lightbulb right. We are always learning.

REM mag all day

The 6.8 Western is just barely better than the 6.5 PRC. I own both

Don't even want nothing new Cuz I know my 7 remmy and I don't mind telling you so!

It is loaded over book max

@@ReloadingWeatherbywhat length barrel did you use for the 7mm 08. I’m currently using a 22 inch barrel with a 1:9.5 twist

@@Liamisdead99 22 inch barrel

I have a load of 73 grains of magpro pushing a 162 gr bullet 3060 fps average at 52 degrees f out of a 26” 7mag.

It was fun

Thank you! The videos are great!

Weatherby magnums have only two problems. They burn barrels out is number one. The cost of ammunition is the other. Of course, with the price of the ammo it makes it less likely you will shoot it enough to burn the barrel out.

22 inch barrel

I bet you are both happy. Speed isn't everything. Maybe he loves his rifle for shorter than long range suppressor hunting. That seems to be the thing. I myself want the barrel length that gives the best performance. Most rifle makers reduce the barrel length an inch or two from what is really where the rifle should be to get that. 308's should even have 24-inch barrels instead of 22 inches and less. Magnums should have a minimum of 26-inch barrels. You get less performance with a lot of muzzle flash with shorter barrels. Enjoy you shooting. Be happy!

His gun hates H4831SC

6.5 Staball

Maybe

I prefer 308

You should be fine.

It did

Thanks for watching

That's nuts, I've only ever seen the opposite. But I believe you.

I think most 7mm-08 come with 1in9

Thanks for watching

Well, one thing we have to admit is that it works very well for them. Rifle and ammo sales skyrocket.

@@wheelchairhillbilly it sure did ! Lots of people fell for the Hype !……..

They work better for reloading and long-range shooting eliminating some of the flaws in existing cartridges like the belted cases that do separate when reloaded a number of times. Nothing wrong with any of the cartridges that have been here for a long time. They are all good. Having said that the new cartridges are totally different cartridges. The 7mm Mag he was shooting had a higher twist rate than the standard 1-10 twist. That is why he could shoot the longer bullets accurately. The new cartridges are shot in rifles that are specifically higher twist for heavier bullets. You can be fine with all the old cartridges, but you do have your head in the sand if you think people don't need newer high-tech bullets. Long range shooting competition people will tell you different. And the test here he even made major disclaimers. You can only do honest comparison of 7mm Rem Mag and 7mm PRC shooting two rifles identical except for the cartridge itself. You would have to shoot the same bullet, same powder as well. The barrel lengths would have to be identical as well as the barrel diameter and style. The 7mm Rem Mag is here to stay. It is readily available and hunting it has taken all of the North American game flawlessly.

@@garrytalley8009 Yea , these new cartridges are target cartridges being sold as hunting cartridges . Belted cartridges aren’t that big of a deal as long as you adjust the resizing die to headspace on the shoulder instead of the belt .

For sure

Please do!

It's a 1in9.5

@ReloadingWeatherby thanks for the confirmation gives me some latitude to play with my 7mm08 ""m24" seems that around 2500 - 2700fps it works well. I might try some N550 or Staball6.5 if I can find some. Thank you 👍🏻

Shouldn't be hard to beat the Hornady factory ammo velocity

@@ReloadingWeatherby Right on since they changed the recipe using different powder but left the velocity the same on the box. Vitavouri N560 might be a decent powder to try in the 7mm PRC. I did try some in my rifle with very good velocity. I do need to try and tweak it. I only shot about 10 shots with a load in the Hornady Manual. Debating to just try to tune it with my EC-Tuner Brake or work a load on setting zero and then tune it. But you may not be into another extra equation to deal with like a tuner brake. But they do work.

I made a community post about it

​@@ReloadingWeatherbyShould your community posts be showing up on my feed?

@@dankcincy They should...

22 creedmoor is the same story as your other examples. Add a fast twist to a 22-250 and you have a 22 creedmoor.

You are so silly and have no idea what you are talking about. There is a lot of difference as to the style of the case and the ability to burn powder more efficiently and actually easier to load for as well. The 7mm Rem Mag will always be here it is established as a renowned cartridge. The 7mm PRC is a better designed cartridge. If it was not long-range shooters wouldn't be shooting it. It was designed specifically to shoot heavier high BC bullets as was the Creedmoor as well. They are Nitch cartridges designed for precision target shooting but they can be used hunting as well.

@@garrytalley8009 You're not wrong in any of your points, other than to call someone names. However, the difference in the two cartridges is measured in microns and not miles. For most hunters taking shots at reasonable hunting ranges, terminal performance between the two cartridges is essentially identical.

@@philipdamm8850 It isn't even worth talking about actually. I will apologize if I was calling names. I actually like all the cartridges and they all do what they we designed to do. The PRC family is targeted for long range target shooting of larger than caliber bullets with high BC bullets and it has a better case design and does everything it was designed to do. As the 7mm Rem Mag is still a fine hunting cartridge and has lived up to its reputation as a great hunting cartridge and even a sniper round at one time. But honestly the belted case is not needed, and the shorter fatter case make it more forgiving for load development and longer high BC bullets as well as the shoulder angle reduces case stretch immensely. I have had both. Like them both but the newer cartridge is not hype. I had given my son my 7mm Rem Mag because of ammo availability he does not reload. Just recently I gave him my 7mm STW which I reload for and it's his favorite rifle. Since I did that and wanted another higher powered 7mm other than my 7mm-08 I got the 7mm PRC and I do reload for it, and I am not disappointed. It does what it was designed to do. I don't like belted cases. The weak point is at the belt. I had a 30-Super that split cases. So much that I changed the barrel to make the 7mm STW. I just get tired of everyone losing the point and calling a new cartridge hype. The 6.5 Creedmoor is demeaned big time, and that cartridge does what it was designed to do, and it does it well from targets to medium sized game with well-placed shots. Have a great day!

I've been doing it

About 120 rounds

@@ReloadingWeatherbyid be curious if it speeds up at all soon. My 28 noz did after about that many

@@orr89rocz Hope so... it's been pretty darn slow

​@@ReloadingWeatherbyHave you noticed if it has sped up at all? Would of been nice to shoot half a box when you first got the rifle, then the other half after 200rnds. I have to remember to do that with mine.

@dankcincy It hasn't sped up yet. First time I shot it I loaded 67 gr of H1000 with 180 gr ELD-M and got 2802 FPS. Hornady factory ammo has H1000 and it was 67 gr and I got 2800 FPS with it.

The federal loaded ammunition is way closer to box velocity. The Hornady ammo is junk.

This is what I've found

@ReloadingWeatherby also while I'm thinking of it could you please weigh in on these guys that chop a barrel down to 20in for the sake of "weight" and "maneuverability" just to put a 2lb scope and 6in suppressor on the end. Sorry but giving up balistic performance is never the answer as far as I'm concerned.

​@@user-yo6fz3zi3fAdvertising works even if not true.

​@@user-yo6fz3zi3fThink of the application. Unless you're out west, you're shooting 2-300yrds across a corn field at most. At those ranges you're not really giving up anything.

Almost all match type bullets like to be at or almost touch in my experience Bergers seem to like to b in lands slightly

@@robpederson281 your not the first person I've heard that from. Guy I know reloads heavily in my area and he loves berger bullets for hunting and has stated that as well. He loves 7mm rem mag btw and elks hunts every year with it.

​@robpederson281 surprisingly enough my 6.5x300 weatherby shoots half inch groups with the 156 berger, and I've heard others say similar. The new hybrid style berger's are far less picky.

22 inch

I've been testing these in my dad's 28 Nosler... hasn't liked it so far. Any powders I should try?

Great in the 7 rem mag as well and even in the 280 AI

@@ReloadingWeatherby In a word, RETUMBO!

If you can get your hands on some Norma 217, it's worth a look. I've had excellent results with it my 30-378 Wby, using 168 to 180 grain Nosler bullets.

175’s in my 9 twist 28 w/ Retumbo

No, I'm in Utah

Nice

Oh I have a slow barrel

The long range varients of the x-bolt in 7 mag got the faster twist barrel.

As good as tikkas are with their actions and out of the box accuracy, their slow twist rates and proven slow barrels with velocity, steered me away from them.

@@eddielombera5862true but got a super great rifle take the Tikka and rebarrel it to exactly what you want🙌 if you surf KZfaq much you will see this makes the best especially if you can pick up a Tikka used at a good price!

@@eddielombera5862my tikka in 270 is shooting 3100 fps that’s pretty quick for a 22” barrel.

Tikka updated their 30 cal from 1 in 11 to 1 in 10 and the 7mm from 1 in 9.5 to 1 in 9. Would have been nice to have the 7 a little faster though

Maybe

Accuracy comes down to the gun and ammo.

My rifle seems to be slower than others... but yes the claimed velocities are still way off

Go look at the Berger website. 195 EOL stabilizes with a 1in9 even at sea level. Hornady had to create a reason for the 7mm PRC

I should clarify... I'm only referring to 1in9 and 7mm

@@ReloadingWeatherby so let's ask some questions rather than assume. Is the 180gr Hornady bullet longer than the 195 grain Berger?

@@kylemartin832 I have done my research... not to be rude. You're the one assuming, not me. 180 ELD-M is 1.535" 195 EOL is 1.648"

​@@kylemartin832I have done my research... I don't mean to be rude, but you are the one assuming. 180 ELD-M 1.535" 195 EOL 1.648"

I'm also getting half MOA with my 257 Weatherby with the 110 Accubond.

@@ReloadingWeatherby yeah I did see that 👍🏼 nice work on that load, are you going to do any hunting with it?

@@kingy300wby Deer hunting this year

@@ReloadingWeatherby nice 👍🏼 you will have fun with that

Rumor is they loaded and tested the ammo with RL-26. Apparently they can't get it anymore so they are using Staball HD and H1000 for the factory ammo... which will not get them that 3000 FPS. They need to update their ammo velocity.

@@ReloadingWeatherby I highly doubt they are using StaBALL HD, as they have zero load data for that powder. What I mean is, they have no load data in their reloading handbook and their reloading app. I don't think they have really tested that powder much at all. I think they mentioned on a podcast they tested it for temperature stability and found it was really good, but other than that I can't find any information about them using it. I think that's just a rumor. That leaves H1000, which their reloading app (the subscription version) gives a max load of 67.5gr of H100 and a speed of about 2900 fps. That lines up more closely with real world test results (they probably load a little short of max). (Edit edit: I guess I should wait to comment until after the video, but looks like I was correct in my guess - the Hornady 180gr ELD-M factory is probably loaded with H1000) Interestingly enough, we were just out shooting side by side with a 7mm RM and the 7mm PRC yesterday, and we were seeing over-pressure signs (sticky bolt lift, extractor smearing) with the factory Hornady 180gr ELD-M Box ammo out of a Christensen Arms Modern Carbon. We have tested that for velocity (not yesterday, but a couple weeks ago) and got about 2900 over 5 shots with it out of a 24inch barrel (not the Christensen arms). So take that for what its worth. Edit: And the 7mm RM shot consistently good, about 1 moa (I'm not that great of a shot). The one 7mm PRC shot better (homebrew, probably about .8 moa), and the Christensen arms shot terrible (2-3 moa, woof).

@nathanbailey9153 I have pulled 7mm PRC factory ammo in two different ammo boxes and it was Staball HD. I'm not the only KZfaqr that has done this and found Staball HD.

@@ReloadingWeatherby Interesting. It's strange that they don't have any reloading data for StaBALL HD.

How does it outperform it when it's shooting the same bullet at the same velocities?

@@ReloadingWeatherby I’m not close to knowledgeable enough on this, just going by so many of the other tests I have seen, but could it have to do with the fact that for the 7mm the bullet has to be seated further in? This is just a guess. I would be interested to see the groups of both at 200 and 300 yards using the optimum loads for each. I don’t have either caliber, but I find this interesting.

@@shawnengstrom3906 If both rifles shoot the same groups at the same velocity... there will be no difference between a 7mm PRC and a 7mm Rem mag

@@ReloadingWeatherby same groups at what range? I’m assuming the twist rate on the prc is greater than the 7 mag and since these longer high bc bullets stabilize better with a tighter twist that at distance it will show and the prc will outperform it. This would be common sense, but I would do the actual testing to confirm. Don’t think I would be interested in a prc unless you reload though.

@@shawnengstrom3906 Did you not watch the video? Both guns have a 1in8 twist

Why be a fan of a cartridge that doesn’t do anything your 280 AI can do. I don’t get how people support something that doesn’t accomplish anything. That said even if we apply a range of 600 yards and in I’m still using my 30-06 or 7 mag

@@SpudOutdoorsfully agree

@@SpudOutdoors as a generality, modern cartridge design rifles just plain shoot a little better. Kind of like .308 vs 6.5 CM. CM just shoots better across a wider sample of rifles. Sharp shoulder, minimal body taper, correct head height, vertex burn point inside the neck, shorter powder columns, shallow rifling leade angles…these are all good things in case design to write into a SAAMI spec when you submit it. If you’re not a reloader, the .280 AI isn’t really viable. A modern designed 7mm with plenty of factory ammo support is long overdue. Powder capacity at the 68-ish grain mark is a good, balanced spot to be with a modern designed case. There is no magic here and no advantage to my Ackley or the Rem Mag (other than a little speed in some instances) over the corrected case design. When my .280 barrel burns out (I’m at 800-ish rounds in the last 18 months of owning it.) I’ll be getting another one so I don’t have to change bolt faces. The 7 PRC would be my pick otherwise. The great thing is we can all just shoot what we want, and it mostly doesn’t matter because almost none of us shoot enough to see a performance difference in the field.

Thanks for watching!

Those are fair takes

Nah my gun is the issue

@@ReloadingWeatherby Fair enough. If it was 1, move, then 2+3 I'd say stock like Savages but I can't make heads or tails of that rifle. The PRC is doing exactly what I thought it would though, too bad you haven't been able to show its high points yet.

You obviously haven't seen all the comments from fanboys anointing the 7mm PRC as the king of all cartridges. I get them on my channel almost on a daily basis.

This video was a mess... a lot of things didn't go as planned

Sometimes the guns don't shoot well. And while this video was a mess... it was not the worst video

How is it a lie?

Must suck to have a room temp IQ lol

Nice

Nothing went as planned for me that day. And sadly both guns shot terribly.

I've called them out from the beginning.

My 1000 yard range video proved you don't need sub MOA to hit targets at long distance. I still want to try to get this sub MOA

Every moa you’re off translates to worse accuracy down range . We should strive to have the greatest accuracy possible ESPECIALLY shooting at living creatures . If my rifles are shotting moa or better , they don’t shoot at living game

@@user-eg8hb8xt3j good for u. I’m telling u it’s not needed to hit the kill zone of deer or elk lungs are a big area the heart is also big the real question is why shoot things so far away that you must worry about moa

With a 2 moa gun at 500yrds, you're still hitting a pie plate.

@@dankcincy yep I agree an elk kill zone is big a deer is decent sized on a good buck lung hit or heart hit there gonna die at 5 hundo it’ll be lungs surely and that’s a long ways for killing even tho I know it’s done

My Bergara 6.5 PRC shoots harder than a 270 win if you consider it is a 6.7mm and the 270 is a 6.8mm. So a 130 grain factory terminal ascent in my gun is running 3100 fps. And you say thats all hype?

Thanks for watching!

I prefer 300 RUM to 300 win mag and 300 prc

@@jtigertic 300 rum is a beast a mate of mine uses one for his stag Rifle, it’s a 700 sendero. I simply meant for popularity and availability 👍🏼

7RemMag was only 4.3% of all rifles sold last year. Made #6 of the top 7. However, 7PRC was still very new. High BC bullets are the trend because people are in the 21st Century. They allow heavy for caliber, and they handle wind better. For the shooter who thinks 300yds is a long shot, it’s not enough difference to make a difference except for the rare day with a strong wind. The young guy in the market for a 7mm will probably go with a 7PRC over the 7RemMag. 28 Nosler was the one 7RemMag could have been worried about, but recoil is fairly brutal and short barrel life has guys selling them or hardly shooting them. 7PRC is not going away. Dethrone the 7RemMag? Probably not; maybe. Like many said, if manufacturers barrel with a faster twist rate, it can compete better or existing rifles can be rebarreled. Long range hunting IS hunting, and 600yds is nothing IF you have the right setup and training. 15+yrs ago basically nobody had the rifle, scope, or training. This stuff about a REAL HUNTER closes the distance and shoots inside 300yds is all BS. Nothing screams “I cannot shoot” like that comment. The right bullet, with the right impact velocity and energy, from an accurate rifle, with a trained and practiced rifleman is just fine at the targeted animal at distance. Now at 1000yds there are damn few rifles and rifleman who can make that shot. Most hunters are avg guys we know. They don’t shoot year round. They take their rifle out every fall. This year they didn’t check their zero “because it was good last year when I checked it”, and they just go out hunting. If they never shoot past 250yds because that’s their comfort range…..I’m fine with that. However, I will shoot 700yds without batting an eye because 800yds is approaching unacceptable velocity and energy with my rifle. BTW….I like 7mmRemMag, but I don’t own one. Should I buy another rifle I don’t need it will be 7PRC. Happy Easter

@@chrisgunsandguitars1403 not sure who your talking to mate but I certainly didn’t mention anything about 300yds !! Shit I’ve shot deer further than that with a 204 ruger haha, I love all aspects of hunting and certainly engage in long range hunting! For me personally long range hunting starts at 500yds things are starting to get serious out there, what I said was people get hyped up by BC and fast twist, my 7rem with its 9.5 twist and 162gr is still doing 2000fps and has 1400ftlb of energy at 1000yds, this is at an elevation of 2900ft please chime in anyone with a 7prc running high bc bullets and fast twist too how this compares to the old 7rem, not being a smart ass just simply stating my results and am curious too how that matches the prc in real world data, I have no issues with the 7prc if it is anything like the 6.5prc and 300prc that I have had experience with I’m sure they will be good things, but back to the subject, Even your lower BC standard accubond will work at long range I’ve had 1 shot instant kill with my 257 weatherby at 649yds with a 110gr and BC of only 418. And 1 shot DRT with my 300 weatherby at 831yds with the 180gr and a BC of only 550, crunch some real world numbers with drop and drift and if you have any real experience you will certainly realise that velocity trumps BC out to way further distance than most people have any right shooting at game. Happy Easter

I'll try to do it

​@@ReloadingWeatherbyI keep suggesting all these side quests, I should probably be helping with some of the ammo costs huh?

Very likely

Thanks for sharing. Looks like the rumors are true. They can only get velocity with RL-26

The video was a mess... Nothing went as planned, both guns shot bad and I decided to turn lemons into lemonade with the 7mm-08 and 300 WBY.

@ReloadingWeatherby I'd like to have some definitive data surrounding the Hornady factory loads, particularly the ELDX . Did they make a powder change as some have suggested due to availability and what's the correlation to velocity and pressure? Federal also loads how are their velocities?

@@supersnake69 I'll see what I can do. My first 7mm PRC range video I tested the 175 ELD-X factory ammo and 160 CX factory ammo

​@ReloadingWeatherby appreciate that...I saw your first impression video but it was posted just 4 weeks ago. I believe any "alledged" powder change or quality issues had already happened. Other's with prior lots of factory ammo were realizing much higher velocities closer to posted box. Like your channel. Have a Vanguard First Lite chambered in 30-06 , and although I'm a 7 RM/PRC owner I'd gladly sign on to save 6.8 Western .

Browning X-Bolt in 7 mag has had a 1in8 twist since 2018... 4 years before the 7mm PRC was even announced.

@@ReloadingWeatherbysince 2018, and the 7 rem mag has been around for over 60 years, my bad they are Johnny on the spot with those fast twists

@TL12352 Ever heard of Gun Werks? Guess what cartridge they favor... 7 mag with a fast twist. Browning wanted in on what Gun Werks was doing. But sure... we can credit Hornady with that one lol

@@ReloadingWeatherby gunwerks has been around since 2006, like I said Johnny on the spot for a 60 year old cartridge

@@TL12352 With that logic... Hornady has been around for 75 years. Why did it take them 73 years to come up with a cartridge that almost matches a 7 mag that is 62 years old?