Underrated cartridge

These videos are making me want to put a 1 in 8 twist 26 inch barrel on a 270 win. I know browning is starting to produce 1 in heels canyon

@@travissmith-wz5nceither that or build a rifle chambered in 280 Ackley Improved. I love the .270 - my first real rifle. It cracked me up when I realized that .270 Winchester beats 6.5 Creedmoor by every measure (except recoil) out to at least 400 yards.

@@chipsterb4946 beats 6.5 prc also. Was thinking about 280 ai also.

@@travissmith-wz5nc I’ve been researching/day dreaming a rifle build on an ARC receiver and had pretty much settled on 7mm-08. However, a 1:8 twist .270 or a 280 AI build is very tempting.

Yep

I love the 6.8 western

I keep reading good things about 6.8 Western. Just isn't getting the push behind it like the 7prc.

That's because the 7prc is by hornady and they sponsor people to push it. The ones that don't get sponsored put out the hard facts honest reviews are only the way to go. The 6.8 western by winchester and browning are the same just different made guns y should they have to push it hard when they know they already made a great cartridge and hornady got mad and wanted the attention u have to remember 6.8 western has been out a good while during the ammo shortage they were hard to get which people didn't like and the rounds were the same cost then as they are now. I know I still have the first two boxes I haven't shot. I bought when the 6.8 western came out a long when the first two different rifles came out I got one of them. I'm not saying hornady is bad for ammo they just dropped the ball selling people shit ammo so they can keep there factory running on 7prc ammo and so consumers have something to shoot yes its not right to do that and not tell ur customers wat ur doing lying isn't that great hope it back fires on them. I called them out in a video they did when I chronographed calibers I had with same barrel length they used and were way off so I called them out then no reply someone makes a video on it and they fold faster

Thats not currently true. 6.8 Western is gaining a little traction. Has aftermarket brass support through ADG, rifles being made by Christensen arms & Seekins Precision. Its never going to be a .308 or 30-06 but I think it still has a shot as a short magnum.

I saw! Thanks for watching

I was Lucky to get an early batch and with my garmin chrono I was getting 2980 FPS average with 5 shot groups and 0.8 MOA with factory precision hunter 175 ELDX. With handloads out of a 24 in barrel, with H1000 66.8 grains I was getting an average of 2960 fps. But every other powder shot really slow. Not a fan that only 2 powders really work for the cartridge but it can be done.

I kinda think the powder change has alot to do with it. This video provides alot of load and really good accuracy data on the 7prc with the powder we all wish was available kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNh4kpWg1OCUZas.htmlsi=0K947c-luLHqmJ--

My experience is the same as yours. I bought 100 rounds of factory 175 eldx last year because there was no other way to get brass at the time. Velocity averaged 2960 in my 22 inch Savage. Now I am loading 66.6 grains H1000 at 3.3 OAL and getting the same velocity.​@@jiminator5

I watched Jim. I thought he said industry insider, not Hornady rep.

That’s funny

Oh thats just savage.

@@DeerLeverream it out to 28 Sherman!

7 Public Relations Cartridge. Shot mine this afternoon!

The 7prc is a fine cartridge for what it is (modernized 7mm cartridge without the belt for handloaders like myself)... but Hornady basically lying about its performance to make it look significantly better than 6.8 Western is bs.

7mm PRC has more case capacity

@@ReloadingWeatherby that's possible. I just know what Google says, and I think it was total water volume, but you know the internet. Do you know the difference? Nearest I can tell once again is a 270rpm would be very close. Again Google lol. Thanks for the reply.

Agree, I'd love to help out with a few $

I feel like he needs to build this channel into a platform that verifies and checks ammo companies claims. Someone needs to keep them honest.

That sounds very expensive.

Throw 280 Ackley Improved into the mix.

Thanks for sharing!

It only get's 3000 FPS with RL-26...

7mm PRC is a good shooting cartridge. But shame on Hornady for trying to get away with much lower velocities.

If you’re a hand loader, it actually does make sense to go with the PRC, as it’s only the factory loads currently having a problem. Also, the reason you think it “literally doesn’t make sense”, is because you don’t know about the pressure differences. 7mm rm is at 62k, 7PRC at 65k. That means with the same powder load it will have slightly more velocity all else equal, it’s just how it works.

And by “same powder load” I mean same grain weight but different powders. 7m RM can’t handle as much of the hotter powders.

@@oblivionpro69you realize you are completely wrong and have no idea what your talking about.

@SpudOutdoors No I don’t realize that. The numbers many have gotten don’t lie. Also, data and science doesn’t lie. 2+2 will always equal 4 and if it doesn’t…you did something wrong. 2 cartidges with the same capacity but different pressures will not have the same maximum velocity potential, and if they do….you did something wrong.

I too went with the same rifle but in 7 PRC... thing shoots same hole with the ELDX factory and .85 MOA with ELDM. Can't wait to start handloading with 195's to see what I can get to work with that... either way, Seekins Precision PH2 is probably my favorite rifle

That's a really good point

Varget is way too fast

@@dankcincy bummer

@@NomadicHacker. Yup I shoot a 6 Arc as well and Varget is a touch to hot for it too. Guys are doing it, but it's flirting with disaster I think.

@@dankcincy I've seen load data for varget in 30-06 how is it to hot for 6arc?

@@NomadicHacker. I don't know enough about it all to give you exact details but if you look at the 2024 Relative Burn Chart, 1-176 1 being the fastest, 176 being the slowest. 7 Prc is up around mid 130s-mid 160s. 6 Arc is one side or the other of 120. Varget is 113. I'm no expert in smokeless powder, but I wouldn't stuff a 113 where a 165 belongs.

There's a lot to be said for sticking with what you know works for you.

He had a Vortex Razor LHT. We were using a magneto speed chronograph

@ReloadingWeatherby I was looking at the Vortex Viper 4x16x50 hs lr scope. Wanting an SFP scope for hunting. I was also looking at the magneto speed sporter model. Putting the scope on a new Browning. A Xbolt Hells Canyon Long Range rifle in 280AI. It has a 1@8 twist 26 inch barrel.

@@ozark_trapper I have a Vortex Viper HS. I like it.

Lots of pressure in the Fierce at 68 gr

Thanks for watching

Somebody doesn’t understand twist rate and why it matters

⁠@@oblivionpro69you can get any chambering in a fast twist…

@@oblivionpro69 what is the twist rate for the 7prc ? , browning and several others offer a 1:8 , 26" for the 7mm rem mag ,

⁠@@oblivionpro69somebody doesn’t know that not everyone buys factory rifles and gets a custom barrel with any cartridge they want. Some 7rem mags come 1-8 twist and as we knew smokes 7prc, a 80yr old 7wby with a 1-8 twist obliterates the 7prc in velocity and efficiency

Fierce

Yeah.... I should have bought that instead 😢

Have a look at the Browning Xbolt hells canyon in the 6.8 Western Mine is brilliant 🎉 Might be a bit cheaper than the Fierce 👍🇦🇺

I'm considering the Fierce Rival. How well do you like yours? Any insight Pros/Cons are greatly appreciated

I absolutely love mine. I’m considering another in a different chambering. I’m sure it will shoot for you because they all seem to drive tacks. I’ve had a small feeding problem (floor plate model) Looks like Fierce is going to handle it but I’d recommend getting the one with a detachable magazine. Should prevent that problem

@masone4589 Thank you so very much for that insight. I was initially considering the floor plate model, but I'll take your advice on the detachable box magazine model.

Now that’s what it’s about good onya fellas, info like that helps everyone and it’s great to see people not arguing over ish

I do it all the time... just don't show it on camera

That's just cold. Lol

BUT SO TRUE.

You will like that 6.8 Western

@@ReloadingWeatherby as long as it goes bang it has a home here. I still love my 7s even my prc. Truth is I'm a caliber groupie. It truly is a powerful drug 😁

You will also like the X Bolt in that caliber - feeds those short fat cartridges like butter and shoots great too. The X Bolt greatly benefits from a Timney trigger upgrade or an Mcarbo trigger spring in the factory trigger. Enjoy!

The point of the cartridges was to get those velocities in a shorter barrel

@SpudOutdoors true, that's why I said there is a caveat, a 26 inch barrel. However even if he got 2850 with a 24 inch barrel with a 197 grain bullet that's still good 👍.

@@darrylpacholko5495 I get 3000 with a 195 in 7 mag with a 26”

@@SpudOutdoors 7 mag is what I own .I see no need for a 7mm PRC.

That's crazy

And this is why you must reload !……

400 FPS miss..... HOLY...

I don't think Hornady has access to any of the powders that get 3000 FPS

The statement Hornady made was that they could not get the powder they originally used, I am 99.9% sure that is R26. They surely have access to some of the other powders, but they were not able to achieve the accuracy they wanted with the same velocities. The person from Hornady stated they preferred accuracy over velocity, I think they simply made a mistake by not changing the velocity on the box. I am still a believer in the 7 PRC and all of the PRC's for that matter, they are well designed and with Stabal HD, H1000 or Magpro, which are all readily available accuracy and velocity should be good enough for most people. If you are not happy after that go with a 7 LRM or 28 Nosler with a slow twist or your own wildcat

All 7prc rifles have Sammy spec of 1-8twist

@@eddielombera5862I wasn't asking about the twist rate

Send me a message on Instagram. My handle is Reloading Weatherby

@@ReloadingWeatherby sent 👍

At least from the 7 PRC groups I’m in, it sounds like the federal has been 100 FPS or so faster. 2900-2950.

Thank u finally

​@@OutsidetheEchochamber3Rballistics dropped a video yesterday getting 2930 I think it was out of the Federal. Had a real hot single shot from either the Federal or Weatherby that was just shy of 3k.

I'm not done, just taking a break

He is using N570

N570, 65 grains. Start around 60 and work up. I went off od Retumbo data as a comparison for the load.

@@GGReloading 8 pounds of that just arrived last week along with 8 pounds of N565. Hope to try them soon. Thank you

Glad your gun shoots well

@@ReloadingWeatherby same, I reload with H 4831SC as well it’s a solid powder for the PRC it seems. It is truly sad that Hornady had such a hard on for the 3000 ft./s claim it is a little disappointing lol

Two wars... I assume

BS. Hornady should state the velocity of the powder they are using on the box, not what it potentially could achieve with a different powder 😂

Haha gun powder shortage 😂😂😂 just stop

Imr 4350 worked great In my 270.

The flyer is included. 1.2 inch 5 shot group. I wasn't trying to hide the flyer.

@@ReloadingWeatherby cool 😎

You said half moa on the video, it didnt even shoot 1 moa 😂😂

@@knotsknives1863 I said if we didn't count the flyer. You can see the flyer with 1.290" right next to it.

@ReloadingWeatherby right, so if i only count 1 shot, then it's a really tight group right? Ha. When you go to shoot that gun, it could hit in any one of those spots, i guess i just dont see any value in saying what it could have been, cause it wasn't. But you do you....

If you're hand loading for both, the PRC is still sucking hind tit compared to the Rem Mag.

And thats it isn't it. The cartridge can do it. Other ammos are doing it and handliaders are doing it and more.

Other than making me see that getting a 7prc to replace a 7rem mag would be a downgrade. A real upgrade would be a 28 nosler with a 1-8 twist, which just I have! I did enjoy my 7rem mag though….

@@eddielombera5862 I agree, I also think the the 6.8 Western out performs the 7PRC.

Better... but not great

Had to troll them a little bit

Agreed not getting wat we paid them for on the box feels like nosler at 6 percent lol 😆

It's like mdt throwing a video up on 270 win vs 6.5 creedmoor not saying the 6.5 is bad I own one but says it's old news with browning releasing new twist rates on the 270 win with loading higher bc bullets that reloaders can do I left a fantastic comment on that one too saying basically stop trying to burn on old calibers that have been proven and stop trying to boost sales hornady 😂

We need to bust on hornady with the 6.5 prc vs the 6.8 western because the western spanks the 6.5 prc in foot pounds too higher bc

6.5 prc to think of comparison would probably be compared to the 6.5 x 284 norma is my guess have to do more research

Powder supply problems are to blame.

​@johnnorman7708 that's a pretty poor excuse, don't you feel like they should advertise what they are selling you not advertise what you want and sell you something else? It's like buying a car sight unseen and showing up to find an electric kids toy. Makes me mad honestly.

Hornady ammo is. For some reason nobody is posting videos of the other options being tested. It seems that we are only seeing videos that make the 7 Prc look bad. Doesn't make much sense to me.

@@johnnorman7708 haha no it’s not . They are putting the wrong velocities on boxes to sell ammo and rifles . The cartridge isn’t what it’s cracked up to be . That’s what’s going on . Weird that every other ammo company is very close to the advertised velocities but Hornady with the 7prc isn’t ? lol yeah ok it’s a powder shortage 😂

@@dankcincyexcept he’s hand loading it to max potential and it’s still behind a 7 mag

I saw it!

@@ReloadingWeatherby I haven't gotten a chance to watch it all yet, I got a phone call apart way through it

@@ReloadingWeatherby Didn't get 3k out of any of them did he? That Federal did alright though. Data point of one but yours, once you do it, will make two. 😁

​@@ReloadingWeatherbyI talked to the smith today. He said that he will hand it off to the paint/cerakote department by the end of the week. I'm hoping it will ship out next week!!!😁

@@dankcincy Congrats! Have fun with it!

Do you have any evidence that that claim is incorrect? It’s coming straight from Horny’s mouth and powders actually are in low supply.

He hit the book numbers with H1000 … 2900 fps with 180’s … Before published load data, folks were hitting 2950-3200 depending on the powder without pressure signs. HCR test their custom rifles with factory ammo and you’ll be shocked at the velocities with 20, 22 and 24 inch barrels. Go give their channel some views.

Well, when you have several other manufacturers including hornady complaining about having a hard time getting it... yea, I'd say there's some legitimacy behind it. Especially since I was getting 2970fps on average in my 22" custom build when 7prc first dropped, I'd say 3000fps wasn't a stretch. We get it, you have a room temperature IQ and don't realize there's a couple wars going on in the world that might affect supply of certain components. I'll get you a helmet.

Not my rifle to trade in. Mossberg loaned it to me

​@@ReloadingWeatherbyYou would think they would of made sure you got a good one.

@@ReloadingWeatherby 😁 Well, That Will Make It Easier to Part With! 🥳

@@ReloadingWeatherby 🕵‍♂ After You Get Your 340 WBY, What is the Next Cartridge That You Want to Try? 😯

Yeah... he has some more load development to do to get more consistency.

Good cartridge that has been extremely overhyped

6.8 Western fans? It's actually the 7mm Rem mag fans laughing at the 7mm PRC performance

I’ve seen a cohort of 6.8 western guys taking shots at it

Most hunter don’t hand load Just buy the ammo & go hunting Way too much mucking around reloading 👎🇦🇺

Wasn’t the argument that factory ammo gave you hand loaded performance in a 7prc? Of course hand loading gives you better results that factory but that’s true with any cartridge.

@peterluttgens3364 I agree, most hunters don’t hand load, but what the hand loads prove is that this factory ammo problem is fixable. Hopefully Horny comes through on that. Also, most hunters don’t buy custom barrels like 1-8 twist 7 rem mags but I’ve seen lots of people around here say the 7PRC is irrelevant because “you can get a 1-8twist 7 rem mag”

I gave up on the 7mm Rem mag because it was so hard to find an accurate load, everything in 7mm PRC provides me with target accuracy

So Hornady is doing false advertising and tell people the numbers on the box is with a powder they are not loading it with? 😂 Do you have a source?

​@@sinistersilverado965what rifle/barrel? You can't blame a caliber because you couldn't get it to shoot😂 the PRC's chamber is tighter than the rem mag, that's true

​@@ChristianoMoego watch backfire. He did a video covering this topic. He pinned a comment detailing the powder shortage. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdh8eJBk17fLop8.htmlsi=KmKbVdeoLuveh1sj As it sits, the 7 prc is underperforming to the point where all the claims that Hornady makes are straight lies. They developed a cartridge to give buyers match grade performance, that would beat older cartridges. Now real world results are in. We were duped. 9:07 It's not faster than a RM, the PRC has smaller capacity. You can seat the same bullets in the RM brass, and with most barrels you can stabilize the heavier bullets especially at altitude. If you have a RM browning with an 8 twist, which is factory btw, your set for any 7mm bullet. As 7prc owner, I wish I had just gotten the 7RM. Factory ammo from federal is about half the price. The whole "advantage" was out of the box, off the shelf high level performance. Those things just aren't there for the 7PRC. And with more wars on the horizon, powder supply problem will probably not get better. I think Hornady should print the actual numbers which looks like 2800ish. Honest business is always better than marketing hype that comes back and bites you once the truth is out.

@@ChristianoMoe I’ll see if I can find it. It was posted on another page after BackStop did his test calling them out. Apparently the numbers in the box are with RL26 which they can’t get so they had to go with something slower

If you stand on the 7mm PRC... it beats the 6.8 pretty easily. It's that 6.8 Western factory ammo outperforms the 7mm PRC factory ammo. One last thing... all the 6.8 Western reloaders I talk to get better velocity than the books without going over max.

@@ReloadingWeatherby The Hornady factory ammo. That's the same point someone else just made. The Hornady ammo being low like it is brings the 6.8 into the conversation but if you reload or use a different ammo the 6.8 stays out of the conversation. I was just looking at the Hodgdon 6.8 reloading data and at available box ammo. I have no doubt you can see different results real world. What I didn't see was anything over the 175s. Do the guys you know push 180s and 190s like the 7 does?

So little bullet options for 6.8 Western. Another benefit for 7mm PRC. The highest b.c. bullet is the 170 gr EOL.

@@ReloadingWeatherby Just looked at Midway and Midsouth and it seems that 175s are the heaviest you can get in .277?

@@ReloadingWeatherby .662? Is that the one you're talking about?

Yep

@@ReloadingWeatherby I still love watching you guys shoot, I like the 6.8 western, haven’t bought one yet but what I see is awesome. Although I have a good 270 Winchester, I wanna try the 165 accubonds in it like you did, don’t know what kind of accuracy I’ll get mines a mossberg patriot

If you had a fast twist Rem Mag and shot heavy bullets or of it, it would still out do the PRC.

​@@ericthered7226if, if, if...That's the point of the PRC isn't it? There is no if. Well...not "no if" thanks to Hornady nurfing their ammo, but the point still stands I think. Yeah, a custom a lot of things will out do a lot of things. If you're going full custom, there's better options than a Rem Mag.

@@dankcincy , not custom. They're building fast twist 7 Rem Mags you can buy right over the counter. Just average Joe rifles. I know for a fact you buy a new 700 Remington with a 1:8. So, not if, if, if....

Yep

I've always said my rifle is slow

Hi Dungeon

@@ReloadingWeatherby 👋 As always really appreciate your vids. Hopefully the comments are gentler now that more evidence is surfacing!

@dungeontales8117 Don’t look at the reloading numbers 7 rem mag fanboy, it’ll twist those panties right up!

@@oblivionpro69 I'm no 7 mag fanboy... reality is often disappointing kzfaq.info5WHizUonx-Q?si=HGyrjgG0QBtRQiUk

@@oblivionpro69 lol 😆 Also I own a 7PRC. And so far, I'm very disappointed.

The Fierce doesn't suck