It was such an amazing time to have that on a console. I don't think you could get that kind of experience with modern games.

Yeah. The Genesis/MD had only a 512 colour palette, whereas SNES had 32,768 colour palette. The SNES could display 256 max colours onscreen, while the Genesis could only display 64 colours at once. That's why Genesis/ MD games tend to look "washed out" compared to SNES games. However, the Genesis could use a resolution mode of 320 pixels by 224 pixels. The SNES had a resolution of up to 512 x 448 pixels. But it had few games that used that resolution mode, and wouldn't have the power without a special chip, like the SA1. So most SNES games ran at 256x 224. Thus the colours looked very vivid, yet the picture was a bit more blurry than many Sega Genesis/MD games at 320x 224 pixel resolution.

@@WheresYourToque ok smarty pants then why is this new remastered version of MD/SG way better and closer to arcade, also with color than the SNES?

@@TheHailstorm77 Maybe because it was made in 2016. When programmers better understood the system, had superior techniques, and could fit much more data on a single cartridge. The originals were made 30 years in the past, electro - eons ago. If an SNES remastered version was created in this day and age, it would probably be, again, graphically superior. (With a much better designed OEM controller, with perfect amount of buttons for the game).

@@WheresYourToque nope. These programmers and developers knew what they were doing. They were going cheap with the hardware limitations. I mean come on let’s face it. Arcades in the 80-90s were straight up 32bit-128 big graphics and had a lot of RAM as opposed to the horrible console systems that had a lot of limitations. Back in the 1980s when the 8 bit Nintendo and Sega Master System came out, it was all about the multiple 3rd party games that players knew the graphics were downright horrible but focused on gameplay the most. Fastforward, the SNES still beats the Genesis but now the programmers are pushing the Genesis to the max and maybe adding an extra chip to suffice the speed, color and graphics.

I thought it was a good port, I was glad to have it. My only complaint was the sound.

No worries, I hope it was useful.

TBH back in the day I did not care. It was Street Fighter 2 in my bedroom!

@@swampdonkey4919 thank you somebody pointed that out same here they made the sound alot worse I hated the sound when I first played it glad I brought the remastered version

You are incorrect

Thank you for this excellent version of the game. Its funny my job is making big AAA games but I love seeing these projects more. Great work 😁👍

Thank you😁👍

Thanks, and welcome 😁👍

Wait so you had the game but no console 😅 to be fair I would have done the exact same thing.

The Mortal Kombat remaster is stunning. I'm so impressed with that.

I've never been keen on that CD audio version as it makes it pointless unless it can work on the original MD hardware, which is can't because the megadrive sound chip doesn't allow it. So I guess it meant to imply that it should be via the mega CD. However, if that was the case then like FINAL FIGHT, the graphics would have been much better than what we are seeing now from that version you mentioned about, especially with the animation as Final Fight CD proven. So I see those types of mods a waste of time, to be honest, but if it makes other people happy and think that's what the MD is more capable of (a capability that is not true) then that's fine. For me, modding purpose is to push the device to make it closer to the original or beter, and this Remastered version does the former. I think the next step for the remastered version to do (if they can) are the following: - Try to increase the animation count - The original cartridge was 24 megs but Super Street Fighter 2 on the megadrive use a 40meg cartridge. It would be awesome if they could open themselves to the extra megs and try see if they can insert more animation to the characters such as their walking backwards animation, frequently used moves, background animations, etc. - Add missing music - I think this will be a challenge but I believe there are some geniuses out there that made their own SF2 music using the MD's yamaha chip that include the energy low part of the music. If they can get that it would be awesome. - High quality voice and sound fx samples - use the extra space to bump up the sound clarity. - Re-draw the characters - This would be the biggest challenge. For character such as Ryu, Ken, Chun Li and a few others, it would be awesome if they could try to re-draw them. Take Ryu and his jawline. If they could try to see if they can redo his face and other body portions that would be incredible. - Music adjustment - The prototype version of the game is far closer to the arcade than the one released. If they could somehow use that version and assign some of the sound effects to the Master System sound chip (if they can make it sound awesome), that would be something interesting to see. Of course, if the end result end up poor then revert back to the original. However, I can never forget Ken's music on the prototype version, it's god tier! Oh yes, as for MK, what I said about SF2 MD CD the same applies to MK. What i want them to see them do is try and use the new redone MD music of the game that sounds so damn good it's frightening shocking why Probe Software did a poor job to the original version.

any link for this? because i hate the sound quality on the current one i have.

It was awesome, I used the 6 button mega stick which was a game changer.

Cool, it's a nice project and I love that things like this exist.

You should try hyper edition for the megadrive more truer to champion edition of street fighter 2 on megadrive. Be reviewing it soon.

If someone is willing to develop an auxiliary chip, then the expanded color palette is possible even on an unmodded Genesis. Someone managed to bring raytracing to the SNES with this method (i.e, embedding a Raspbery Pi chip into a cartridge). Of course, if you also consider that we are not bound by the same size limitations as we were in the past (storage is much cheaper now), then the Genesis can deal with much higher quality textures and sounds. Without the memory limitations, you can possibly even turn it into a Neo Geo-esque machine. Same goes for the SNES.

@@mandrews817 it is so dope, seeing games on 100 mb carts . I always wondered how they got beyond oasis /ristar and pulse man to look so colorful and lovely .

Now that would be awesome.

​@@48hourrecordsteam45, some of these games are colorful due to clever trickery. In the case of games like Ristar and Sonic, this is achieved by effective usage of color (e.g, using a bold, bright palette), but you can also achieve color richness by using color shades, and quickly switching from a color to another very fast. Of course, switching from a color to another like that might be extra taxing to the processor.​

@@mandrews817 ah dope 👍

Interesting

Awesome, yup I got the collectors edition in the end.

Thanks, baby steps.

It's looks great, it's amazing to think this is what we could of had. But would it have mattered. It was still Street Fighter 2

Ya it's pretty impressive.

@@RetroGamerBoy always been a snes sf2 guy but wow kind of tempted to get this

Thanks. That MK mod is amazing, what they have done with that is amazing.

No problem

I think they have some other mods out. Maybe one of these addresses this.

I thought so, but that kind of talk can incur the wrath of diehard Nintendo fans 😅

The honest way would be if they made a resmatered snes version and compare them then

@@RetroGamerBoy Yes, I know. I'm fairly unbiased towards both and Nintendo fans who grew up on SNES are among the most unreasonable people out there and refuse to believe that the Genesis/Mega Drive has more great games than Sonic and a handful of others. Honestly, when it comes to fast-paced action games/arcade-style action games the system's library dominates the SNES' library, though it's basically the reverse when it comes to RPG's.

@@thenonexistinghero Having grown up with the SNES and not even knowing the Genesis existed until Sonic Mega Collection came out on Gamecube, I still learn of plenty of games that were on the Genesis that I'd like to check out someday. Honestly, both had great games, and if you only grew up with one, it's still worth seeing what you missed out on with the other.

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I love it.

@@RetroGamerBoy Same here :)

I think we have to remember that while there was a full Capcom Dev team they had to develop these games to a budget, so we did not always get the best versions. And some of the games were not ported by Capcom but by co-dev teams.

@@RetroGamerBoyCapcom in fact tried to make a initial MD conversion (on a 16 Mbit cart) though third party team; the abysmal work done convinced Capcom to remake it in-house (on a whopping 24 Mbit, a first at the time). After two separate development "cycle" how could not Capcom itself (in-house team, especially put toghether to do a proper conversion) produced such an horrendous voices? there are 2 option: 1) uncapacity developers = unprobable 2) "We want to make big N upset" ?? Please not try to explain "it's a matter of reduced time development" or any other excuses; everyone has a functional brain, just to be clear after 30 years..

​@@slashrose3287 It was competitive pressure to release Special Champion for MD along with Turbo for Super Famicom/SNES. Both ended up out in the US in August 1993 but Special Champion had development hell as the team redid the conversion for MD. The problem with the voices was due to the sound driver they used and Capcom surely realized this but probably thought that it wasn't going to make or break the game with players- we cared about gameplay. Also, how many of us had both a SNES and Genesis- there was no basis for easy comparison. I think they were right.

@@rsmith02 Game magazines all around the globe generally detroyed the MD respect to SNES version for the voices issue, this contribuited to show how superior SNES was respect to MD (which obviously wasn't right, as shown in the proper remaster version 30 years later): that was a major damage for MD image and sales, no question about it. "FUN" fact: the voices are correct in beta version of the game, corrupted in the final game, how can they honestly explain it?

@@slashrose3287 not only because of that, the point is that in addition to everything else, they had a BUDGET! how can a single developer, without budget or specialized team, manage to bring something so superior to the Mega Drive? Like Konami, Capcom shits on Mega Drive development

😅 will do, thanks for the tip.

I just saw it. man it looks amazing kzfaq.info/get/bejne/etl9a5qIrq_Yj2Q.html

There are some stunning Mods out there. Are there any mods for the Neo Geo?

I will do thank you for the tip.

.... though if I'm being honest, the fair comparison between SNES and MD should have been Street Fighter 2 Turbo on the SNES, not WW ;)

I love seeing this projects for old games and consoles regardless of what they are on. It's breathing new life into the 16bit era of gaming.

@@RetroGamerBoy Same here! Anything that keeps classic games alive and still being played, so many years later, is always a fantastic thing :)

This is a great point, I think our memories of something can be warped.

I'm not sure.

@@RetroGamerBoy Oh boy, wait until you compare that! Night and day difference

Yup, and the fact you can get physical versions of this makes it even sweeter.

Wow, i can believe it. I lost months to the game when it come out on console.

The stuff that these guys are doing is amazing.

Thank you.

Oooooh that would be cool

Well if your emulator is set to a 3 button controller then you will need to press another button like start to switch between punch and kick. Switching to 6 buttons gives you the full range of moves.

@@RetroGamerBoy I never owned a Sega genesis, but I read somewhere that this is the case on real hardware, you have to push select button on your console's controller to get the kicks , do you confirm that ?

Just had a similar thought.

It was just a bit of fun at the end, rather than in in depth comparison 😁👍

@@RetroGamerBoy I had a feeling it was you just being cheeky.

That was only against certain characters though ...

@@o-datsingh7296 thought is was all of them, the victim stands up as the hurricane kick passed over them, like they end up crossed-over, so I don't think height mattered 🤔

@@johnpaullu4844 no I'm being serious... Only "certain characters" can get caught in that hurricane kick and take every hit... Zangief,balrog, dhalsim and m-bison are prime examples

I remember getting it for Christmas, it literally brought the arcade into my house. I was blown away by it.

@@RetroGamerBoy same, don't think I slept that Christmas, truly awesome

Really? I need to watch that.

@@RetroGamerBoy really hilarious scene with Jackie Chan dressed as several characters including Chun Li

That's awesome, I was blown away by SF2 in the arcade. It was such a game changer.

😂

Thank you. I'm sure you could fill the internet with the mistakes I make in these videos. Thank God no one has to pay to see them.

It's an amazing game.

@@RetroGamerBoy unfortunately the digital voices wasn't so great, buy we consumed the cartridge anyway

I think he's done a good job.

Very true

I know. I'm tempted to buy the kit that will allow me to create my own versions.

@@RetroGamerBoy I certainly would be interested if you are prepared to sell them 👍 What about the speech samples please? I know there were other ROM hacks that improved these.

Well you can have the background, and then 2 parallax scrolling layers you can up the to 4 by animating the 2 layers. You can also have 80 sprites on screen at once.

@@RetroGamerBoy Are you saying they're faking the look of more than two background layers behind the HUD via tile animations in this game? I'm not convinced about that. I mean, I don't think that's how it's done in Zangief's stage, for example, if you look at the overlapping layer section behind the HUD; there's no obvious repeated animated tiles there that I can see. Can you confirm if the HUD is done using part of one of the background layers or sprites? If the HUD is using sprites then it's pretty easy to figure it all out, but if not then it's harder for me to work out how they did it.

@@inceptional for sure the HUD is sprites, you can see them on the sprite sheets.

@@RetroGamerBoy Ah, perfect. So now that I understand how it's all done within Genesis' two backgrounds and sprite limitations, I can begin to think of a scenario where I could design a beat 'em up similarly using the SNES' two 4bpp backgrounds for all the level stuff and use sprites for the full HUD, just like on Genesis, and still have the entire third 2bpp background layer free on SNES, which is used in a wasteful way on SNES in Street Fighter II, to do something else with it (some additional parallax objects/details in the foreground like a large chain fence overlaid on top of everything, or a layer of semi-transparent smoke or fire blowing across a level, even a totally random third full-sized animated fighter onscreen). . . .

Interesting I did not find this. I guess like all things it down to personal taste.

It would have been amazing.

The the original Mega Drive has a better audio and allows you to add in headphones. My preference is the original.

That's awesome! et me know what you think.

@@RetroGamerBoy when it get here I will do that 😎👍

@@RetroGamerBoy like I promise my game come today and I will play it sometime soon

@@RetroGamerBoy hey I tested my street fighter remastered and it's messed up look at my video

@@damin9913 now way, that's rubbish. Who did you buy it from?

Ya I should have added that.

@@RetroGamerBoy could you consider making a second part to the video would really appreciate that much love Paulie

I'm in the process Anthony, but it's very slow as I need to do my day job 😅

Are you merging the ROM hack with an original ROM? You will need to apply the hack to the original game. You will also have to apply it to the correct version of the ROM in order for it to work.

@@RetroGamerBoy Thanks for the reply. When you say version, do you mean region? The version im applying the patch to is: Street Fighter II' - Special Champion Edition (U) [f1]

@@prodelboy2743 ya it's region but I believe there are also versions within a region. I can't remember which version it was. Send me an email and I'll sort you out.

@@RetroGamerBoy I really appreciate you doing that. I will email you when I finish work. Have a nice day

@@RetroGamerBoy I sent you that email to post.2.rgb. thanks again for you help man, you have gained a subscriber and a friend.

The ROM is 1.5mb so I guess this would be a 16Mbits cart.

It looks so amazing, I think this would have blown my mind back in the day.

@@RetroGamerBoy definitely 👍

@@RetroGamerBoy Quick question mike , I was on my megadrive yesterday and I had a repro in , it was quite tough to get out ( obviously I was a bit concerned about it damaging my sega ). So I put the ooze in and noticed flickering specks/lines at the bottom of the screen . So I went on to test Aladdin and streets of rage and again lines at the bottom. I was thinking is this something I've only just noticed or has the repro damaged my slot? Could you please check yours with the ooze and Aladdin and let me know if it's normal. Thanks mike 👍⭐

@@randomretroplays3123 ya I'll check that out. What kind of TV are you playing on? The MD does show the pixel pallette at the bottom of the screen, old CRT TVs had overscan which meant you would not see these but on modern TVs they show up.

So on my CRT there are no pixels at the bottom, but on my LCD there is.

Thank you, it's great to see projects like these on the platform.

My preview of what? 🤔 I have so much going on at the moment I have no idea where I am half the time.

@@RetroGamerBoy Whats coming out in 2022

I don't not see anything in the change notes and did not notice anything. The voice samples sound similar but I did not pay super close attention. I'll go back and do this tonight.

😱

It should do.

@@RetroGamerBoy I will have to try it out. Cheers

There are improvements, but I forgot to add these.

Not that I have found. I'm thinking of making my own cover art and making the art file available for others to use.

@@RetroGamerBoy 😍

Indeed

Yes there are audio improvements

🤣 brilliant!

Not bad though for someone doing this in their spare time. I think we always need to appreciate ports for what they are. Often a port will never be as good as the original, but that does not stop them from being technically impressive for the hardware they run on.

True, but then again, using bigger sprites without cutting any animation frame would have made the ROM bigger, resulting in cart production costs that would have been too high back then. So we could do it now (someone even showed a little demo of such a project), but it wasn't a realistic option back in the day.

www.romhacking.net/

By the way, after this video, I am now a subscriber and am very thankful I found you.

The Street Fighter footage at the end was just for fun, I puposly chose it as I did not want the video to be Nintendo vs Sega. So I chose this games as the SNES has supior colour generally but it's obivously not a direct comparison so I could avoid console wars in the comments.😁👍 Champion Edions is an amazing game and if you are a SF2 fan on the MD then these remasters are great news.

Welcome 🤘😝🤘

Because they were passionate about doing it.

I guess it comes down to how much money they think they will make.

Already on it.

@@RetroGamerBoy crazy times for the retro scene atm

This was done by one or two people, the original was a multi million dollar project with a huge team and co-dev teams. So if they were to do this back in the day it would have been done in a few months, maybe half a year if they took their time.

Oh wow really?

Ooh that would be cool

I believe there is a newer version out that has the fabled 3rd elephant.

@@RetroGamerBoy this I have to see😳

I think doing anything on the SNES is a challenge. But there are some skilled modders out there for the console, so maybe.

One day we will have perfect translation tools.

I guess you kind of get this with emulation.

SSF2 was pretty damn close considering the extra characters and levels. My friends and I played the hell out of SF2 in the arcades and then played it on the SNES all the time as well. I still think the SNES version of the og SF2 has better colors than the arcade original. Capcom really went all out with the Super Nintendo.

That game was an absolute beast. The new fighters was such a great addition to the game.

It was a stunning port.

It was just for some fun the comparison. I chose a different game to avoid Sega vs Nintendo comments. Instead I wanted to show how clever colour pallete work can make an MD game look almost as good as a SNES game.

With infinite time to make changes and knowledge from decades of development for the x68000 and far better tools today, sure you can do more than devs could at the time.

Sega did some really weird things with their franchises. Take the Saturn, no Streets of Rage, no Phantasy Star, no Sonic mainline. It was crazy.

That was only a little fun at the end. It's less SNES vs MD more new mod for SF2.

I think the guys who did this were borrowing from other versions of SF, so it's not 1:1 with any one particular version of the arcade, but then the Mega Drive version was not based on one version of SF so maybe it's fitting. And I know what you mean about not noticing or caring. I got this for Christmas and it was like getting purest magic.

@@RetroGamerBoy by not caring I don’t want to be dismissive. Just don’t think the original street fighter two on the mega drive was bad, and I never felt like we got short changed, compared to other games, that looked clearly worse on MD at first sight. The guys did a great job, but I think it would have been more noticeable on Super Street Fighter 2 😎

@@sloppynyuszi I agree entirely with you. I had the original Mega Drive cart growing up and I played the shit out of it back in the day and never felt short changed, but improvements 30 years later is always welcoming even if it's mostly just in colours.

New Devs are certainly really starting to explore the potential of the console.

@@RetroGamerBoy The Mega has a better use of resources in ROM memory, something very problematic in the SNES because of its CPU limitations. In the SNES it is impossible to take advantage of the 512x448 resolution of the system being forced to cut it in half practically throughout the console's collection.

Damn that's tough.

It sure is within it limits, makes you wonder why it was shipped in the state it was.

@@Shannon-ul5re Thank you for the answer.

@@Shannon-ul5re Not really.... One is a passion project from a Sega fanatic which had no timeline for completion. One was a rush job from Capcom that had to be received well enough in it's time to be deemed a purchase of value. The port was received to overwhelmingly positive reviews in it's day. So from a business perspective any extra time spent on it would have been a waste.

Yup it runs on a standard MD console.

I found the SNES music too orchestral, I agree the PCE had some of the best audio design.

That would be interesting.

I've heard that the reason they used a HuCard for the PCE version was because the pool of RAM in the standard Duo or with the System 3 card wasn't enough to do the port well. Of course, it could have just been to target to full PCE install base to maximize sales. However, if SF2 was made for CD with the PCE Arcade card, I think the results could have been excellent, with more game assets included and animation frames. Naturally, it could have the arcade music(my preference), or an arranged soundtrack. The music in the HuCard version is the weakest aspect of that port in my opinion, though it's not bad.

Ya I think these are the SF Alpha arcade fonts.

It's 3MB so they have worked some magic.

Better.

It was a great game when it originally came out.

Odd, the sound was levelled when I processed it. I'll double check for the next video.

Really? that's cool.

Yes, there is a link in the description.

Thanks. I should look more closely next time!

You can download it from romhacks.

It's an awesome sound track.

Ya I had a SNES and MD back in the day but really wanted the game on the MD. I loved it, but still looked a the SNES version with envious eyes.

@@RetroGamerBoy the reason I gave in and asked for a snes even though I loved my megadrive

Snezz

I've thought the very same. 😅