I just bought a Remington 870 Fieldmaster Supermag. It came with walnut wood furniture and a 28" barrel vent rib. Looks and feels amazing. I think you should have looked for one with the furniture you wanted instead of whatever this plastic one is

Remington quality took a nose dive when Freedom Group bought them , I looked at a 870 in a shop that had the most absurd machine marks in the breech

Hey Tom as a Remington Fanboy myself. I have come to find out that Remington is making complete garbage for the last few years. I have not bought a Remington shotgun rifle in over 15 years.. keep in mind I own over 20 different variants of Remington Products. I will never buy another

I'm 70 years old. Been a gun man since I was 13. Everything has changed. Can't depend on old brand names anymore. Same with ammo. It's depressing.

Completely agree with your review and it hurts my feelings. My father has a Remington 150th anniversary 870 that my mother got him new on their anniversary many years ago. It is truly drool worthy. Gorgeous high polish blue, beautifully figured walnut, two barrels, all in a custom soft case. I really hope Remington can get back to quality.

I have many 870 Wingmaster shotguns from 12 ga to 410 ga and all of them were built before 1990 back when Remington cared about the guns that they built.

I have qn 870 I bought in the early 80's. I gave 275 for it. It has been a great gun. I've heard newer ones went downhill. Looks like they went off a cliff

Starting with the “Express” line of 870’s final milling was excluded. They can be slicked up by smoothing out the rough cut marks inside the receiver & by slightly filing the rough edges of the action bars. The hammers, made differently than the older models can be ground & polished to take the grab out of the cocking /ejecting operation. Basically the new models are not finished as well as the older models.

Thankfully I have a 870 Wingmaster Magnum from 1977. It's only a 3 inch but if I want to shoot 3 1/2 I have a couple of 10 gauges to choose from.

It’s a sub $500 shotgun, what did you expect honestly? Does it function properly? The polymer trigger guard is actually more durable than the old metal ones .

I'll hold on to my old 870's thanks for the video and information grate job 👍

Buy an old one, the older the better. My 1950s era 16 gauge 870 wingmaster has literally had thousands of rounds put through it, still going strong, the action is smooth as butter.

I agree quite disappointing. I have one of these. I bought it when it was first offered its steel (cast metal parts) and wood. I removed the wood and replaced it with a set if Bell & Carlson synthetic Bottomland camo. I have taken geese and turkeys. ONLY MISTAKE I made buying it was I traded a Ithaca 51 10ga semi to buy it... But mine runs perfect Im glad I have it. I am a 870 fan must have 7/8 of them in all gauges and different variants

I bought an old 870 wingmaster made in 1958 fired a lot, smooth as butter and still solid as the day it was made, despite some bluing wear and the wood needing some attention, still a serviceable shotgun, the quality has really gone off a cliff with remington and its sad to see, also for some reason they stopped selling 870 parts to the public

I bought one about 7 yrs. ago. Evidently, a lot has changed. Mine came camouflaged from one end to the other. It has the honeycombed butt pad, polymer stock but the stock seems to be heavier than the one portrayed here. The trigger guard is metal. Basically, mine seems to be better built, even though it's not as well built as my 870 that I got back in 76. I bought mine used for $350 and added an extra full coyote choke tube. With #4 buckshot, it's quite effective at 50+ yds. and using regular #4 shot, it does a job on turkeys. Here's my suggestion and it applies to ALL firearms. NEVER buy any firearm until you have a chance to inspect it in your hands. That way you can nit pick before laying down the cash. BTW, of course the barrel would look thin once you remove the choke tube. The choke tube would add thickness to the barrel once it's installed.

Ive got a super mag with laminated stock, that I bought mabe 8 years ago, other than receiver rusting if someone says moisture, its been flawless, terrible but pad, really digs into my shoulder, just got a browning bps, what a nice smooth gun.

I bought a Remlin 1895 although it wasn't built very pretty it is super accurate. I'm glad I bought it used and probably wouldn't have paid full price for it.

I picked up an 870 Supermag turkey about 6 years ago. It kills turkeys but I definitely don'y love it. I bought a 16 gauge 870 Wingmaster from a local shop for $180. It had been improperly stored and had bad receiver pitting. But action and everything else was flawless. I sandblasted and blued the reciever and use it as a squirrel/rabbit/upland gun. I also have a 1941 WInchester Model 12 in 16 and a Remingtom Model 31 in 20 gauge. Those guns have more quality and character than the new 870 by a mile.

Were you expecting a Holland & Holland Royal ?

I was gifted a Remington Model 870 Wingmaster with only one barrel which is vent rib with front post sight, no rear sights, and modified choked barrel, back when I was a very young adult. The double slides make it strong (I've seen pump shotguns with the single slide rail failing and breaking) and I never once had a problem with the shotgun I own. Yet I am sure that I would not buy a new plastic model. Oh, I own a savage 7MM-08 with a seemingly better, but still, plastic stock. A Remington 870 tears down quickly and easily for thorough cleanings. My bottom line is I'll happily keep the old one and pass on the new one.

When i bought my 870 2 years ago the forearm was loose, the factory didn’t fasten the nut properly. But i struggle with shells for shooting clays the jams it like hell and need to use alot of power to pump it. Rarely with bird shells.

I own 3 of these myself...all built seemingly better and one is a wingmaster super mag I've never shot. I'm gonna keep that 1 in the box for sure. Sad to see what that gun looks like compared to what is made today.

From looking at that particular model that doesn’t look like a new REM Arms production, that appears to be a freedom group production shotgun, rem arms discontinued the express line and from what I can tell is test firing it’s guns and doing more polishing using better forged/billet parts instead of mim, plus they’re now drilled and taped.

Those but pads are pretty resilient. Makes shooting a magnum, especially light weight one, tolerable

I love my 1976 - 12 Gauge 870 Remington Wingmaster. Different time different function needs as there is steel shot. Miss the good old days!

My 870 express came with a walnut stock. Checkered and beautiful!

I got a 870 fieldmaster and it’s good,walnut stock,good checkering came with 3 chokes,is drilled and tapped and with a quality butt stock pad,but the only thing I don’t like is the rough plastic trigger guard

I have a 1951 Remington 870 TC trap. Great trigger beautiful gun action smooth as glass. They don’t make them like they used to. Those soft butt pads are much better to reduce recoil. The thin barrels make the gun much more balanced. Mossberg makes a full camo 935 3 1/2 inch with a 10 gauge barrel .773 diameter for $600. Very soft recoil

So I got the 870 Super Mag basic model as well recently for just under $550 from my local arms dealer and it came with 3 chokes full improved and modified as well and the choke wrench. I agree with you 100% on the stock quality being sun part but they have improved the trigger assembly it is very smooth when I cycle rounds and is a great waterfowl option but yeah long term durability’s not as good as my 91 870 magnum

I have an OLD Rem 870 2 3/4" only, fixed choke barrels, 26" Mod Vent rib, Skeet Vent rib and slug. Fine polished and Blued metal. Fine wood and finish! It centers the patterns slightly high, ideal for rising game and skeet. Slug barrel likes Win slugs. This gun FITS, WORKS, and has put Much game on my table! About 10 years ago, I bot my son a 3" 870 for Christmas... Quality WAY! Down!! Jams often with double feeds... now THIS!!! Y.U.K.!!! Jerry

I got a Remington 870 Tactical Express a few years ago (just before the bankruptcy). I too didn't like the cheap polymer furniture so I replaced it with Magpul (both stock, forend and barrel clamp). The MIM extractor I believe was the cause of occasional failure to extract issues so I swapped it with a Volquartsen replacement that is machined and that has fixed the shell extraction issues. I swapped the cheap plastic follower with a red aluminum hi-vis replacement. The finish is notoriously cheap and prone to enabling rust so I had it Cerakote coated. I got the 870 as my first shotgun on pure name recognition but I had no idea at the time how much the brand had declined. With all the fixes and modifications I've done, it works great now but that I had to spend a few hundred bucks to get it to that point is kind of a downer. I've since gotten a Mossberg 590A1 and it's definitely my go-to for home defense. It's the 18.5" (6+1 capacity) version and has a simple bead sight. I swapped out the furniture with Magpul on that one as well just out of preference for the ergonomics plus a sling and Surefire light. Yeah, the receiver is aluminum but the bolt and barrel lockup is steel on steel. The trigger guard is metal on the A1 version though the standard 500/590 has polymer for that part. Also, in terms of the best traits for a bird hunting shotgun, what are the benefits of a heavier wood stock over a lighter and easier to carry polymer stock? Are there recoil mitigation benefits? Does a more solid stock mount to your shoulder better?

Just bought an older Super Mag, used but in great shape. Paid half the price of a new one. I see now the differnce-thanks for the video.

Just got a field master it is amazing love to see Remington getting it together.

I bought the Mossberg 3 1/2 when it came out for turkey and goose. It works very well. It does kill on both ends.

Wow, I just went into my safe and hugged my Ithaca that I bought when I was 17, in 1978. My first and it is beautiful, the feather weight. That looks like a POS . Ok for a woods or yard knock around

The barrel is thin at the muzzle because the choke needs that room to fit and fills in what's missing, it's not the whole barrel that is thin.

I wish Winchester would bring back the model 1200 tactical model. It was fantastic.

I read an article where after their bankruptcy. Remington said they would be building a cheaper version of guns. I wouldn't be surprised if the parts come from China. People in the comments were saying don't buy an 870 made after 2019 because it won't be what your use to or expecting. Mossberg is getting the same way. I own a 1983 Mossberg 500 and a 1989 Maverick 88 both have smooth action and are built like tanks. I bought another Maverick 88 in 2020 and it was a piece of crap! Built nothing like its 1989 brother. I also bought a Mossberg 590 and it is heavy as hell with gritty action. I'm going to start looking for older model shotguns! When they were built with pride.

Well thanks for the info. You just saved me from making a $400.00 mistake. I was about to buy a slightly used one but gonna pass now. Thanks for putting the time in.

I have a field master and it has been pretty good I have put 500 rounds through it and it worked good.The only problem it has trouble ejecting floucci shells federal and Winchester and Remington works good.

Is it possible that you got a Freedom Group production? The newer Roundhill Group production seems to have better quality. But the reviews I have seen where about the Field Master and Wing Master not this model.

Yep, that just seems a little more that just trying to shave some cost... there is quite a difference in cost savings & companies producing crap! I use the older Mossberg 835, Wood & Steel! You can get them cheap & parts are everywhere ( ebay & gun broker) ...

A lot of guns are coming setup for single point slings, my rossi gallery gun did so I put a zip tie through the pump handle and hooked my sling to that lol

I have an 870 super mag in all real tree camo , it’s around 20 years old and has never been fired , interchangeable choke tubes , real rubber butt stock pad , vented rib barrel , never have had a need to shoot it , bought it for my collection , probably one of the last good ones from what I’m hearing and seeing

Has not been the same since the Wingmaster.

That’s what happens when factory hires more managers than laborers, and every manager trying to show his importance instead of support the process. IMHO

The field master 870 coms in wood and has 3 chokes modified full and improved cylinder.

I have an 870 super express magnum why wife bought me 25 yrs ago . beautiful gun deep shiny blueing and a gorgeous wood stock . Don't shoot it much anymore I am to damn old and with 3 1/2 " magnum shells it kicks hard . Love the shotgun

Now my late 80's 870 Magnum Special Purpose 3 inch chamber 12 gauge Green Tree Camo was when Dupont came on the scene and I guess was part owner of Remington or was just contracted to do their fiberglass/early polymer stocks and forearms and mine is made solid and actually has hand styled checkering as like the old school wood counterparts wood furniture has and yes came standard with the sling swivel attachments front and back including a real nice sling as well with 3 interchangeable choke tubes and in other woods you got more for your money back then as opposed to today's standards !!!

I stumbled across the H&Rs a few years ago, I now have 3. Heavy, but built like a tank.

That made me sad. I got lucky, i guess. I got mine at the height of covid for 600-ish, but the stock and the forend are wood. The trigger guard is some sort of metal. it's not plastic/polymer. I love mine. I havent shot a 3" and 3 1/2" yet. But that day will come...someday

Thanks for taking one for the team! That thin barrel scares me most, as does the cheap toy plastic. I'll stick with my 1973 1100 and my Winchester Super X2.

I’ve got an h&r Pardner pump in 12 gauge and it’s such a nice shotgun. Smooth as butter, built like a tank, and looks great too. Maverick 88’s cost more and they feel like a toy to me in a way. Great guns, but way too plastic feeling and “loose” for my liking.

Clean it up and shoot it before you replace the stock. Make sure it works. The last two Remington 870 Express shotguns I bought from Walmart didn't eject reliably. They were releasing rounds from the magazine before they ejected the fired case from the chamber. So sad. Remington was once a great company.

There seems to be a race to the bottom with pump guns. Haven't seen the new Fieldmasters or Wingmasters, but the older Wingmaster shotguns are where it's at if you ask me. Then again, I don't need a 3.5" chamber so the 3" magnum I have does everything I need. Did you test fire the Chinese knock off?

I have totally given up on Remington these days after being a loal 870 fan since the early seventies. Last year I purchased a 1981 manufactured 12 ga 870 from a friend that appears to have never been fired and is in 100% condition. These are the ones I go for. I now own two, a 1974 Ducks Unlimited model that I purchased in 1975 and the forementioned 1981. These guns will not only last the rest of my life but most likely my Grandson will enjoy them though out his life as well. I also have a 1100 synthetic manufactured in 1995 that is a very well built gun even though I prefer the wood furniture. Theses guns were made during some of the last great decades of Remington.

I hope Remington sees this, I agree with everything you are saying … the wood stock 870 I got in 2006 just feels way better than the one I got in 2015 that is plastic (polymer, excuse me lol)

I recently got a Remarms 870 fieldmaster supermag & it was garbage...the wood stock wasn't finished...it wasn't flush to the receiver..it was 1/4 inch thicker all the way around...I called Remarms and sent pictures...they responded with its within spec...I immediatly sold it to the gunshop taking a $200 loss...I ended up buying an old 870 and got it cerakoted bought all new springs and parts...I got a NEW/OLD 870

I just subbed......I like you attitude !!! Wood & steel, Metoo !!! I'd like to see you evaluate the New Wingmaster !!!

Luckily I have an older model that came with wooden furniture, swapped those out for some camo furniture with a nice matching sling. Badass shotgun, definitely going to do a tube extension and a side saddle as the final upgrades. I would still never buy any generic shotgun brands like the Chinese knockoff. To me the furniture might not be perfect, but the guts of the gun are completely fine. It seems like you maybe should’ve done some research before purchasing this shotgun if you really don’t like it that much. Not saying the quality control isn’t worse because it is. But it seems like an easily avoidable purchase. Happy shooting brother!

Got one of these in 1999 for my 18th birthday. And its quality is a lot better than the ones made 10 years later and beyond.

1963 wingmaster purchased new I was15 years old . I still have it . I paid $89.00 for it. paper route money. It was awesome then, and it still functions perfectly today. Just broken in. Newer firearms are just not the same, higher prices, less quality across the board. buyer beware.

You can still get the shiny blue finish. But you must order the gun. Few dealers stock the Wingmaster finish 870s. What you bought was the "Sportsman" finish 870. Get dealer to order a "Wingmaster" for you. To get an 870 with forty years past finish would double the price. I have several with the new type finish---they work just fine.

My brother owns an old one and it’s a great weapon. I went with with the Pardner version of it in 12ga. $100 buy. Truly, I’m a 20 gauge guy with many of them. The Pardner, I have beaten the living sh.t out of it and has never failed. It’s truly a shame they gotten so corporate that quality = how cheap can we make a gun. They should have sold it back to Kevin at Q when they had the chance.

It’s 2022 almost 2023 if you can actually get a firearm you want it’s going to be a project and a lot of custom work to make it nice quality. I have a roundhill group Remington 870 express tactical that I have completely torn down and rebuilt to be much more durable and better quality. I’m in the process to doing the same to my wife’s and sons 870 express’s. Good shotguns but they take some work. That being said I don’t hunt with them anymore, I use a Winchester SX4 3” and Stoeger M3500 3.5” semi autos for hunting.

The 3.5 shotgun is way overkill with today's newer shells and chokes especially for turkey hunting .... just a waste of a lot of shot and no need for the recoil and weight of that shotgun .. IMO

That is disappointing, Remington recently got bought out by Marlin right. I've got an older 870 that is a work horse, but next pump will be a Mossberg 500

Fwiw i like the lighter plastic for when i have to carry the gun for 5-12 miles grouse gunting.

Thank you for preventing me from buying a Remington. I've had several 10 years ago and they were used shotguns. Sold all off years ago. Time for a new 1 This isn't it. Much appreciated sir

My old man handed me his browning gold hunter the very first shotgun I shot at the age of 10, now 28 been using it to hunt and since 22, wood finish, matte deer slug barrel, blue finish bird barrel, clean it twice a month, and after shooting at the range, only had to replace the sear spring but other then that gun been bring down game

This video just increased the value of my 70s era Wingmaster exponentially! I don't know what the answer is to this kind of crap in the firearms industry but this is one consumer that won't being dropping any of my money on a Remington product. Wish I still had my old Remington rifles.

Pick up a Remington 870 Wingmaster manufactured from the 50s into the 70s.Take in the deep bluing, walnut stock and for end and then work the action. Heaven.

I've got a hole set of brand new chokes from my 870 you can have if you want them. I've replaced them with other choke tubes!

Is this one of the ones that made of old parts, or the one with the parts that they are making now. A year ago they release all the parts that they jad in the warehouse.... still a bad situation tho

For a 3 1/2” magnum I’ll stick to the Benelli Super Nova…I used to be an 870 fan…my favorite is still my old 870 Wingmaster LW 20 gauge magnum, bought before Remchokes…to change chokes, you change barrels (I have the three…IC, M and F)…yep the “checkering” is the pressed in type that is the typical old school Remington…pressed into the lightweight mahogany stock, but the fit, finish and quality is still old style Remington. It pains me to see once iconic companies spiral downward after being bought out by “holding companies” who have zero interest in the product and its history…I hope Remington as well as Marlin will be able to regain the quality of their past…keep up the good, unbiased and informative videos 🤘🤘🤘

That thin barrel is the same as any with choke tubes.

I just purchased an 870 super mag a few days ago. Looked up videos and stumbled across this. You should go look at the new ones I think Remington saw this video.

I'm looking forward to your next video, I like Boyds stocks.

U need to check out or get a benelli supernova 3.5 inch 12 guage they are great quality and can find them for around 400 new and used real similar to a benelli m4 but a pump action jusr might need to choose the right stock for it when u want to shoot full power 3.5 inch shells

Too much negatives is a positive. Paid by competitors? I love my Remington Steel !

My 2013 made 870 is a nice gun... The new 1187 .... would've been some of the last ones made...its nice..but not as quality...as the old 1100 from 1998. Was alot heavier. Didnt kick at all

Pretty sure you have picked up a old stock 870 the new ones come with three chokes and wood and I don't believe there even producing supermags at the moment the new field masters are pretty nice guns

Just can't beat a budget Maverick 88

They don't warrant newly made Remingtons or previously made Remingtons. I paid for a versa max barrel that was back ordered and when they went under I lost my money and got no barrel. New company told me tuff shit. I've made it a point to let everyone know and comment on every video their channel puts up. They bought the name and want the legacy put not the commitment.

I have a Remington Wingmaster from the 70's, long barrel and came with an extra deer slayer barrel, it is a piece of art, smooth action, beautifully carved wood stock, like most stuff today it's all about corporate greed with zero pride taken in the product. I agree this new 870 is a pos.

So they can offer the upgraded model also for couple hundo more!

Excellent review. It’s sad that Remington is not what it use to be. I guess finding parts is going to be difficult for the older ones. I called Winchester about a 1300 and they were rude and said they don’t have parts for them anymore. I guess I will go with mossberg since that’s what I can afford and customer service is stellar. I miss that wood and craftsmanship of old.

Yea brother, better off seeking out an old used 870 or a new 590A1 if you don't already have em. I know what you mean about the 3 1/2 shells. Mossberg 935 mag takes em

I would like to see a before shooting example with the crap future then the after comparison.

Good stuff!

I bought the new remington field master it finished beautifully they really are better

I just sold an old high gloss Remington 870 Magnum in 12 gauge---absolutely gorgeous in perfect condition. Probably shouldn't have sold it for a little more than the same you paid for your "toy" version. I guess I should not have sold it.....😥

I think you may have bought a Remington knock off a lot of things are being ripped off nowadays because I just bought a Remington 870 Field Master super Magnum full synthetic thick polymer thick barrel three chokes and a much much different choke wrench that looks like an 870 express someone gussied up and sold

My old butt pad is made by Goodyear, does that mean my 870 ESM is th old style? It still has wood checkered furniture but the trigger guard is still composite... Could I drop a Wingmaster group and gaurd in?

you did'nt talk about the thickness of the barrel on the chinese one compared to Remington or if the chinese one came with more chokes than Remington.

When you were talking about the gun not being drilled and trapped for optics you called the Remington, " a 500 dollar mossberg " I know it was just a slip but as a mossberg owner it made me cringe. Great video showing how much Remington has fallen off the rails.

Don't dog it before you shoot it and I put well over 1000 rounds through it and it functions flawlessly and is pretty comfortable to shoot 3 1/2" the polymer stock and pump is for weight reduction

You Throw me off when you've called it a mossberg! How much did you pay for the Boyd's stock if you don't mind me asking 🤔 Wow just wow.

That barrel.. looks like a stamped sheet metal spatula handle.

The right polymers and GF reinforced polymers are much better than wood. That being said, most companies try to cheap out on the polymer type used, and the amount of glass fiber reinforcement. Glass fibers wear out the tooling dyes quicker, & is more costly. Unfortunately I feel the 870-1100 is a cheap knock off, compared to what it used to be..