I agree 100%. I worked from home in 2020 and 2021, into 2022. We accomplished some major projects that probably went much more smoothly. Also the benefits that you bring up are big reasons for keeping WFH around. It's the older executive mentality that doesn't trust workers they can't see. My manager discussed WFH with all of us before we had to return to the office. One common theme was the flexibility appreciated by the employees and we didn't think anything of giving the company an extra hour or two here and there. I did that quite frequently because I was used to spending 2hrs a day on the road commuting, so it didn't really cost me anything. During high priority activities many of us gave the company 12 hour days, some days even more than 12 hours when we were locked down and couldn't go anywhere. My manager saw that and understood that bringing us back into the office was going to mean less time to give back to the company, and a drop in productivity that the distractions of a noisy open office environment contribute. We lost one of our biggest engineering assets when the company mandated return to the office. He was such a big loss that the company allowed him to continue working remotely for about six months while they figured out how to replace him. I'm planning on retiring in the next 5-7 years, right about the time we have more large projects that will be coming due one behind the other. My manager has expressed to me that he is worried about my retiring, along with the only other 20+ year engineer left in my group who may retire before I do as he's 10 years older than me. We've got a lot of smart engineers but they're all young and only have a few years of experience. They may be up to speed to replace us old timers in that amount of time, IF they stick around. Keeping today's generation around is turning out to be a challenge, especially in the age of the inflation we see today. A lot of them are only sticking around for 2-5 years and then moving on to a higher paying gig. And instead of hiring an experienced (expensive) engineer to replace them, they start over with a 25 year-old college grad (cheap) with a year or two under their belts and we start training them from scratch again. The modern workplace is rapidly changing and employers are going to be hurting if they don't try to understand and learn to work with employees who now demand more than just a paycheck.

Exactly, like the housing crash, another one is just over the horizon for empty office buildings. Being single I am way more productive WFH, too many distractions at the office. Near the end of covid we moved to a much smaller office, the options are full time remote, hybrid and full time office, the choice is yours.

BINGO! There's also the economic impact on retail and hospitality that have been arguing for the end of WFH. Stores, restaurants, fast food outlets have lost a lot of business that office workers used to provide. The local governments are also pushing for an end of WFH, they're dependent on the tax revenues that workers bring to their cities and counties.

Same here tbh.

The sky is blue sometimes.

Working from home is good on all fronts but many managers cannot feed power tripping addiction of the ability to terrorize employees. Maybe consoling their toxicity isn't a good idea

Because your boss tells you what to do, not the other way around

The managers want you to go because the lease on the building....

@@DakotaFord592that’s what it’s all about

Most employers suffer in their ego because they can no longer impose a caste superiority in the workplace.

Commercial real estate is dead!

No kidding 🤣 these people are deplorable

Let's not forget the tax write offs for the building and expenses related to it

Office buildings could become data centers in the future, like when many malls were converted to data centers. Sure the building price would take a hit now, but still gather some money from rents. That and commercial tenants (like gyms, coffee, nightclubs and what not). It would also alleviate city traffic congestion and open up new revenue streams for businesses in suburban areas where the workers relocate to.

@@tengamangapiu This sounds like a rational well thought out plan, so clearly you're crazy

What exactly is it that you produce ?

I disagree partly because without a top notch management team, ensuring productivity across the board can be a headache. If we assume that all office companies have highly efficient management, then perhaps they could resort to 60% remote work.

​@@eliot7189It all depends on how "productivity" is measured. If constantly moving your mouse and keyboard is what's considered productive over the completion of tasks then it's just bureaucratic gaslighting. It costs the employer more to pay for office building leases too after all. They just want more control over their wage slaves who never get raises anyways. Over the pandemic, they've learned that they can hire people overseas for less pay too. So there isn't really an incentive for either party to continue office work aside from optics that are artificial anyways.

Unless there's a real need to go to the office you shouldn't go... Don't fall for the trap where they say you have to come in so many times per month or week... They'll keep tightening the noose until you're there full time

@@MiguelCedenoLozano I think it would be better for workers in the USA if the dollar revalues lower against other currencies. That would help to protect the office jobs here from outsourcing, because it would be cheaper to hire locally than to source workers from overseas.

@@tengamangapiu There should definitely be laws set in place for "American companies" to give priority to "American employees" plain and simple especially when large corporations receive tax cuts at the expense of tax paying citizens who also paid massive tuitions to schools that "guaranteed" them a job at these companies. But our empire is crumbling and our government doesn't serve its people. We're just livestock. Our tax money ultimately benefits foreign governments and their citizens.

informal meetings are nonsense, management has their schedules booked with tons of meetings by default there's no time for "informal meetings" in well run organizations.

Conservative men do not want women working.

Sir and I quote from the company Med Nurse "How an employee gets to work is their responsibility" smh

How old are you? 100? 😂 you’ve never worked from home and it shows.

Not all jobs will be remote, but no reason to penalize those that can just because some can't. As for socializing, it's not the job of your coworkers to provide you with friends. It's your responsibility to create opportunities to hang out with people who actually want to hang out with you.

This is delusional cognitive dissonance thinking. Corporate management has been outsourcing work to other countries for decades buddy... The jobs of today cannot be outsourced anymore than they already are

You know oil and all fossil fuels must be phased out (except for where they are irreplaceable).

Good luck with that 😅​@@alicecanestraro3943

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Lots of reasons. Some industries are regulated such that you have to be a US citizen to do them. Others you have to be on US soil while doing them. Also some jobs rely on knowledge of American culture to be done competently. And for others there simply isn't a sufficient concentration elsewhere of people with the technical knowledge needed, though that last is changing the most rapidly. Also American companies have cultural expectations that can't always be fulfilled with fully foreign workforces. For example, in my company I can recall the global hunt for programmers who could do what I needed, trying to pay as little as I could for high quality output. I went through 5 teams in India before giving up. Their culture just doesn't work with the way I work. I eventually had to hire 2 Americans and a bunch of Ukrainians.

Isolation from coworkers can be a productive thing buddy

Hybrid

@@planetaryion hybrid is worse case... didn't you watch the video?

People love not interacting with people lol. It’s ridiculous. They just wanna watch Maury and collect a pay check and say they’re working.

This is blatantly untrue. People in other countries may not have as good of communication or viewpoints on the work they do... They might also do poor quality work and not be concerned about things like security. Maybe you missed it but outsourcing happened a long time ago! They've already taken all these jobs that they wanted, and move them to the places where they could get cheap labor. So don't come up with these dumb ideas that you're going to be run out of your field of work because it can be done remotely. 🤣

@@xephael3485 You are deflecting. Employers hire people who can fill roles. They will find someone cheaper. Then you can stay home all of the time.

As I mentioned to someone else spouting this nonsense, some industries are regulated such that you have to be a US citizen to do them. Others you have to be on US soil while doing them. Also some jobs rely on knowledge of American culture to be done competently. And for others there simply isn't a sufficient concentration elsewhere of people with the technical knowledge needed, though that last is changing the most rapidly. Also American companies have cultural expectations that can't always be fulfilled with fully foreign workforces. For example, in my company I can recall the global hunt for programmers who could do what I needed, trying to pay as little as I could for high quality output. I went through 5 teams in India before giving up. Their culture just doesn't work with the way I work. I eventually had to hire 2 Americans and a bunch of Ukrainians. I had to pay the Americans $70-125/hr and they were fully remote, but it's what it cost to get their expertise. I in turn was making about $1000/hr off the work everyone working for me was doing (combined for them all), so it was worth it to me.

@@scottmcvicker4971so true lol😂

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Power can go out at the office to you fool...

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