Renogy "Smart" 100Ah LiFePO4 Battery Tear Down

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DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse

DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse

4 жыл бұрын

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@WillProwse
@WillProwse Жыл бұрын
Does off-grid solar confuse you? Check out my DIY friendly website for solar system packages and product recommendations, and so much more! www.mobile-solarpower.com Join our DIY solar community! #1 largest solar forum on the internet for beginners and professionals alike: www.diysolarforum.com Check out my best-selling, beginner-friendly 12V off-grid solar book (affiliate link): amzn.to/2Aj4dX4 If DIY is not for you, but you love solar and need an offgrid system, check out Tesla Solar. Low prices and great warranty, and they can take your entire house offgrid with their new Powerwalls: ts.la/william57509 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My solar equipment recommendations (Constantly updated! Check here first): 12V/48V Lithium Batteries: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-batteries.html Solar System Component Directory: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solarcomponents.html Plug-N-Play Systems: www.mobile-solarpower.com/full-size-systems.html Complete 48V System Kits: www.mobile-solarpower.com/complete-48v-solar-kits.html DIY Friendly Air Conditioner/ Heat Pumps: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-friendly-air-conditioners.html Complete 48V System Blueprint: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Favorite Online Stores for DIY Solar and Coupon Codes: -Current Connected: SOK, Victron and High Quality Components. Best prices and warranty around: currentconnected.com/?ref=wp -Signature Solar: Cheap Server Rack Batteries and Large Solar Panels: www.signaturesolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek -Ecoflow Delta Official Site: My favorite plug-n-play solar generator: us.ecoflow.com/?aff=7 -AmpereTime: Cheapest 12V batteries around: amperetime.com/products/ampere-time-12v-100ah-lithium-lifepo4-battery?ref=h-cvbzfahsek -Rich Solar: Mega site and cheaper prices than renogy! Check them out: richsolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek -Shop Solar Kits: Huge site with every solar kit you can imagine! Check it out: shopsolarkits.com/?ref=will-p -Battery Hookup: Cheap cell deals bit.ly/2mIxSqt 10% off code: diysolar -Watts 24/7: Best deals on all-in-one solar power systems, with customer support and distribution here in the USA: watts247.com/?wpam_id=3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Information: I am NOT available for personal solar system consult! If you wish to contact me, this is my direct email: williamprowsediysolar@gmail.com Join the forum at diysolarforum.com/ if you wish to hang out with myself and others and talk about solar FTC Disclosure Statement and Disclaimers: Every video includes some form of paid promotion or sponsorship. Some links on this youtube channel may be affiliate links. We may get paid if you buy something or take an action after clicking one of these. My videos are for educational purposes only. Information is subject to change/update at any time. Electricity is DANGEROUS and can kill. Be smart and use common sense :) DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com
@seekfactsnotfiction9056
@seekfactsnotfiction9056 Жыл бұрын
Is this battery suitable for vehicles or dashcams running 24/7 parking mode? If not, what's the most powerful safe battery you would recommend for dashcam running 24/7 through motion detection?
@Baxter3784
@Baxter3784 8 ай бұрын
I am curious why this battery isn't listed as recommended battery on your website. I only need 1 battery, and I only need 12v. I am wondering if the LiTime batter or this one would be better, since they are about the same price now. Also, have you done any recent teardown of a renogy battery?
@t.c.3027
@t.c.3027 3 жыл бұрын
Duuude!!, I HIGHLY respect your intelligences, not only in the field of electronics, but the ability to teach & articulate in layman's terms how to become a DYI in electronics w/disclaimer warnings! I'm a 65yr old guy that has worked closely & under the guidance of a chief engineer close to my age and too come across someone in you age bracket w/so much knowledge & education in this field is totally superb, unbelievable, & awesome!!! Keep on keeping on man & I wish you the greatest in your future endeavors!!!
@alanprudhomme9090
@alanprudhomme9090 4 жыл бұрын
This has to be the the only case I have seen you dis assemble without cutting the case open. NICE CASE!
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 4 жыл бұрын
It appears to be the first one that can be disassembled without destroying.
@standpipestan2778
@standpipestan2778 4 жыл бұрын
All batteries should be built this way but companies dont want diy folk fixing them
@gsp49
@gsp49 3 жыл бұрын
@@standpipestan2778 or people who do not know what they are doing messing with them.
@PrimalMiltos
@PrimalMiltos 3 жыл бұрын
That's because you haven't come across the SOK batteries yet!
@richardmoore2003
@richardmoore2003 2 жыл бұрын
They probably built it knowing he would do this
@Rabs73
@Rabs73 3 ай бұрын
It's about 4 years since i first watched this video and then purchased this battery. Has run my 4wd 12v system flawlessly since and only lost 2 to 3ah of capacity. Nice!
@Rabs73
@Rabs73 3 ай бұрын
I watched your video carefully again trying to work out how the pouches are stacked. Mine has been on its side so the pouches have been sitting vertically. Doesn't seem a problem which way they sit??
@lunatik9696
@lunatik9696 4 жыл бұрын
Battery tech is advancing. Thanks to Will for in depth analyses. I am sure the manufacturers watch his videos. I think WiIl has single handedly done more for solar and battery consumers than anyone else.
@KakaDanny
@KakaDanny 4 жыл бұрын
All the way from Africa ( Arusha, Tanzania ) ! Thanks a lot Will !
@azeissler1987
@azeissler1987 4 жыл бұрын
I just bought this battery, this video makes me feel even better about my purchase
@georgesrisomsak9650
@georgesrisomsak9650 4 жыл бұрын
New subscriber here, and not only are these factual and to the point, but your attitude, high energy and enthusiasm is contagious. Glad to have found this channel, thank you for what you do Will! Truely appreciated!
@MountainTopHomestead316
@MountainTopHomestead316 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you thank you thank you! Just got a small sponsorship with Renogy and wanted to use their batteries as well. Now I will for sure! 👌
@PeterMilanovski
@PeterMilanovski 3 жыл бұрын
Secretly, I reckon that Renogy were praying for you to open up the battery to show of all the hard work they put into it! All that is missing is the ability to series connect and the trademark black and blue colour scheme!
@wtcamer
@wtcamer 4 жыл бұрын
That battery chemistry is pretty safe in any packaging factor. LiFePO4 pouch cells are about as safe as you can get. You can run a nail through them and not start a fire or cause an explosion. They will get hot, but they will pretty much just fail in the damaged area and cauterize. It's not like Lithium where whey vent extreme amounts of gas and risk run away damage from extreme heat leading to explosions. Also, since that XT 90 plug isn't running negative and positive (90 up and 90 down for a combined 90 amps circulating) you can get 180 amps (the same 90 + 90). So technically those plugs could support 360 amps :) The 4s setup probably allows the batteries to run many more amps than the BMS will output. This keeps the cells cooler and means that even during heavy usage the cells will remain very healthy. It's very over-engineered!
@jay-rus4437
@jay-rus4437 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this info.
@odertube
@odertube 2 жыл бұрын
This is great news as I just bought this for my RV. Also bought the BT module so I can view the details from my phone.
@itrow9526
@itrow9526 2 жыл бұрын
@@odertube How is it working out for ya ?
@odertube
@odertube 2 жыл бұрын
@@itrow9526 Love it! Lightweight and very powerful. I can remove it from my RV without breaking my back and I get more than 3x the Ah capacity of my Lead Acid battery. The price was impressive as well. Very happy with my purchase.
@itrow9526
@itrow9526 2 жыл бұрын
@@odertube Nice, thanks for replying.
@janralphalicida
@janralphalicida 4 жыл бұрын
From philippines. I really appreciate your passion in sharing knowledge about solar energy. Keep sharing video sir, im on track.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@redsquirrelftw
@redsquirrelftw 4 жыл бұрын
I like that it's fairly easy to open. No need to cut or melt glue etc.
@energiewender143
@energiewender143 4 жыл бұрын
3:35 The branding under the sticker says PylonTech, so that is probably the manufacturer not only of the BMS but of the whole battery. Thank you for the interesting review. I would always prefer Battleborn‘s cylindrical cells over pouch cell as they keep the electrodes in their place more precisely than pouch cells and they can dissipate heat much better.
@IllumTheMessage
@IllumTheMessage 4 жыл бұрын
Like them both. A healthy ecosystem of quality battery manufacturers means everyone wins.
@timf6916
@timf6916 4 жыл бұрын
A man of my heart, let’s tear it apart and see what is in side. Good information, nice video
@DarrenBoxhall
@DarrenBoxhall 29 күн бұрын
Have this battery in my 4x4 for a year now, ran it completely flat a couple of times with the fridge. I run the renogy 50a DC/DC with it and the hub with Bluetooth. All works perfectly fine. Hopefully it lasts
@davidlane6758
@davidlane6758 4 жыл бұрын
Love these teardowns. I keep checking back every day to see if you've uploaded a teardown of the basic Renogy 100ah that so many of us got on Black Friday. The suspense is killing me 😂
@jackmehoffer7819
@jackmehoffer7819 4 жыл бұрын
I got 3, paid $518.00 Ea shipped
@michaelrodriguez8180
@michaelrodriguez8180 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Love the videos. Did you ever do an update on this? Figuring out more on the pouch cells, and such
@ChrisHolt1
@ChrisHolt1 2 жыл бұрын
I ordered two of these because they are group 24 size and will fit in the battery tray of my RV. They are lower in price now than when you tested and tore down, so that is good. Thanks for the teardown, it was really nice to see how well that is built.
@caddyzig
@caddyzig 4 жыл бұрын
I’d be really interested in a follow up video when you learn more about the safety features of the pouch cells. Looks like a really well made battery! Really looking forward to comparing the new Battleborn batteries whenever they’re released.
@The-Wise-One
@The-Wise-One Жыл бұрын
Yes please, now tests on this battery 🙏
@TOMAS-lh4er
@TOMAS-lh4er 4 жыл бұрын
I really admire People that can design such clean , well-laid-out Batteries !! Super well made ! I would still buy the Battleborn but the RENOGY is competition for sure .
@1fatsussex
@1fatsussex 4 жыл бұрын
Great video I am so relieved it's a good thing. I bought this as a second battery in my Isuzu Mu-x and it has been FANTASTIC at running my camping gear and it's fast recharge rate.
@andycanfixit
@andycanfixit 4 жыл бұрын
I like that fact that you can disassemble it with standard tools and not having to cut apart the case, so if the bms fails it could be repaired. Be nice if they could do series connected even if just to 24 volts as 12 volts limits what you can do, but still it's a pretty cool build.
@adventurefuel5172
@adventurefuel5172 3 жыл бұрын
This review push Renogy over the top for me. I only run all 12 volt gear to avoid the inverter conversion power loss, so this is perfect. The smart battery network feature was an added benefit. First on came this week. I’ll add a second next big sale. Thanks Will for you hard work and great evaluations.
@TravisKepler
@TravisKepler 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Will, First of all love I all of your videos. I am a grid tied solar installer but dabble in DIY off grid stuff. I am a certified LG Chem RESU installer and in their training they say that pouched cells are not a very good design because where they are folded and that causes weak points where deformation occurs over time due to the cells being stretched.
@jerryeastman8407
@jerryeastman8407 4 жыл бұрын
Will, good job, like the tear down videos. I have and use the 170ah Renogy battery in my motorhome and love it. Only problem with it is they limit charge to 50 amps so it's not in the motorhome charging system I have it on it's own 45 amp charger. Keep up great information.
@rebeccadavitt5448
@rebeccadavitt5448 2 жыл бұрын
I purchased three of these during renogy’s flash sale and scored them for $599 each! I’ve only been using them for one month now but I do really like them so far. Thanks for taking it apart so we can see inside! Super cool!!
@WizzRacing
@WizzRacing Жыл бұрын
They are now $499.00 each..with code RB15....I got two...
@glaoak1787
@glaoak1787 8 ай бұрын
And a year later, it is 499 (with the promotion🙄).
@smde1
@smde1 4 жыл бұрын
Not being able to series connect them is an absolute deal-breaker for me. Winston batteries are looking sweeter and sweeter - How about a Winston battery "un-boxing" - that would be fun.
@UNSINKABLEII
@UNSINKABLEII 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great video's! Ended up with a Renogy as I am only designing a 12V system. Cheers Will.
@jstans78utube
@jstans78utube Жыл бұрын
Thank you for understanding this stuff - your video here is absolutely welcome as I was looking hard at Renogy. Great video buddy, excellent
@morrisonmeister
@morrisonmeister 4 жыл бұрын
Love the episodes buddy, Don't think we've seen you doing anything with Edison batteries yet (e.g.12V Bank Nickel Iron NiFe Battery 400ah 10 X 1.2V Cell) I've seen alot of them still working fine, even though they are 80+years old.
@movax20h
@movax20h 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention another good selling point of this battery. Over 4000 cycles at 80% DoD. I am assuming at 1C, but it is not mentioned in the spec.
@Dirt-Diggler
@Dirt-Diggler 4 жыл бұрын
I've gone sealed lead acid in my new build, the reasoning being by the time i need to replace them LiFePO4 batterys will be cheaper than they are at the mo, i've (hopefully) future proofed the system to cope with the upgrade later (fingers crossed). cheers Will, enjoy your channel and the forum !
@donmontalvo1
@donmontalvo1 Жыл бұрын
This video convinced me to get this exact battery (RBT100LFP12S-G1, not sure what G1 stands for). I had a local overlanding shop install it with lots of power management, solar, etc., in my 2021 Jeep JLUR. Two years (almost) and never an issue. Trust me, I do a LOT of offroad/overlanding. I really appreciate this video, I'm quite a fan.
@VetSemperFi
@VetSemperFi 3 жыл бұрын
As an electronic tech I'm very impressed with the engineering and serviceability of this Renogy battery. Electronic components and mechanical connections do fail, as you have seen in your other battery tear downs/reviews. I would definitely pick these over the Battle Born for all my 12V battery banks! Thank you for the battery reviews!
@MsLaurN
@MsLaurN 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, a 100 ah battery for backpackers!
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
You are better off with a portable battery pack. Far better.
@MsLaurN
@MsLaurN 4 жыл бұрын
@@geraldhenrickson7472 my comment was pretty much tongue in cheek. Most backpackers don't need that kind of power, though if you had a group of four or five, and someone needed a CPAP machine or some other appliance it could begin to make sense.
@loz11968
@loz11968 4 жыл бұрын
Good job sir. Looks like it’s well made I could see the connection system monitoring all the batteries in parallel and it could tell you if you have a problem with one of the 12v battery units that could drag the system down.
@48kornbinder19
@48kornbinder19 4 жыл бұрын
Well done Will. Another brutally honest review. Although for once you didn't have to be brutal to be honest. A very nice product with quality. You are having an effect on the industry. They are watching you. And people are spending their hard earned cash wisely based on your reviews. Thanks for being there and doing such a great job.
@CalicoJackxx
@CalicoJackxx 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will, another great report. I am at the point where I am considering that great leap from lead acid to Lithium so all of the recent reports that you have been doing will help me . I have been off grid for about 20 years and I am so impressed with the improvements in technology and the decrease in costs I have been a very satisfied customer of Renogy so very glad to see this product. I will wait to see Battle Borns newest products. I will be I will be so glad to get away from the affordable but frustrating 150 old technology of lead acid batteries. I am tempted to give a try at your DIY batteries but for a few hundred bucks more I think I'll play it safe with the drop in products. BZ Will
@neliosamch3195
@neliosamch3195 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, lead acid batteries been obsolete for a while now.
@martijnheeroma5492
@martijnheeroma5492 4 жыл бұрын
Impressive build quality, thanks for the video Will, really like you're tear down's.
@tumbleweed1976
@tumbleweed1976 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Will. Enjoyed how you got right to it.
@mainetiques
@mainetiques 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video Will. I don't know if I missed it in the comments trying to find information on Charging rates. Thanks.
@guybrock837
@guybrock837 4 жыл бұрын
You are top shelf young man , thank you for your help.
@codymiller8505
@codymiller8505 4 жыл бұрын
@J G top shelf mode
@grannieannie1371
@grannieannie1371 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Will. As an Australian I can't get battle born but Renogy are a pretty competitive price and are often on special so I have wondered what the quality was like. Pretty good from the look of it. Oh I bought your book and it's excellent.
@tonydawes4169
@tonydawes4169 3 жыл бұрын
You can but you have to pay for shipping and their warranty stands, though the 10 year isn't really 10yr, 8yr plus other 2yr you will get I think new batteries at a discount. I can only get them to Sydney and have to work out freight to Brisbane. Here's a sample from my email just recently within last month and just the last week. I have received a cost on shipping 4 batteries to Australia. The freight forwarder has provided a price for the batteries to ship to the Sydney Airpoprt. Unfortunately they do not have a freighter service that can get them to the Brisbane airport. Cost for the shipping would be $1,767 USD with a 5-8 day transit time. You would be able to pick up the batteries in Sydney or we could explore other delivery methods once they are in country. Please let me know if I can help with anything else. Best, Eric Carter Battle Born Batteries Thank you for writing, I hope all is well. We are always going to cover our warranty no matter your location. The shipping logistics would be the one aspect that could present some difficulty. Typically we can troubleshoot over email if an issue ever comes up, but we are hopeful you’ll have batteries that perform flawlessly. Let me know how else I can assist. Best, Eric Carter Battle Born Batteries I prefer those batteries but I am having to get the 3 x 170amp Renogy ones, as they are on special for Aus$1187 not sure for how long though, maybe this is too late for you but I am new to this and plan to live off grid.
@grannieannie1371
@grannieannie1371 3 жыл бұрын
@@tonydawes4169 even though I could pick up the batteries from Sydney the cost difference means renogy is just so much cheaper. And they aren't bad batteries. Although there could be a delay ATM but generally China to Au is quicker than the US to Au
@peterryan7340
@peterryan7340 3 жыл бұрын
The Renogy batteries are on sale AUD$778.99 at the moment. That's like 550 USD?
@grannieannie1371
@grannieannie1371 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterryan7340 yep Renogy batteries and solar panels etc are nearly always cheaper in Australia
@JoeDplummer_
@JoeDplummer_ 3 жыл бұрын
Great quality build !!!... Love the screwed top case.
@robertoflorean9682
@robertoflorean9682 4 жыл бұрын
Keep going sharing off grid knowledge, thanks from Italy.
@artillerypr
@artillerypr 4 жыл бұрын
3:21am in PuertoRico always tune with master Will hi brother!
@HandyC
@HandyC 4 жыл бұрын
Ha, just got home from work on Saturday, it's 11:30 am here in the UK. :D I don't think I'd have the energy to watch this at 3am :D
@artillerypr
@artillerypr 4 жыл бұрын
I dont sleep we're having a lot tremors and aftershock this is not good.
@HandyC
@HandyC 4 жыл бұрын
artillerypr aww damn!! Sorry to hear that. I hope you remain safe and your internet remains connected. 👌🏽
@artillerypr
@artillerypr 4 жыл бұрын
Thank I'm so stressful in the first one the electricity go out for 2 days, and my solar project is not finish :-(
@ScottHarder
@ScottHarder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank god. I've been waiting for your review. I bought one and HAve been running it for a couple of weeks. Unfortunately Battle Born not available in Australia so I took the gamble. Great price point here with free shipping which added to the Value . Thanks for the break down and ease of mind. Regarding the Ethernet port, I thought I read it was to connect multiple batteries together to assist with balancing across all the cells in multiple batteries.
@lanceguilin
@lanceguilin 4 жыл бұрын
i don't see the point. These 12v units are not to be connected in series, only in parallel. With parallel connection, you don't need any external method of balancing them as parallel connection itself will equalize all the connected batteries to the same voltage.
@WillProwse
@WillProwse 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, no real need for communication with parallel connection. it mentioned that in one of the manuals too. Small manual stated otherwise. Really strange to have any form of communication between parallel batteries. Must be for future monitor system
@jimthvac100
@jimthvac100 4 жыл бұрын
@Jimmy Call Good point
@VagrantShadow
@VagrantShadow 3 жыл бұрын
Looking at buying 3 of these for my van. In Aus it's hard to find any reviews or info on most of the suppliers here. Will likely get these as they actually have people talking about them, unlike Jaycars offerings or "Pro-Power". Cheers!
@ScottHarder
@ScottHarder 3 жыл бұрын
@@VagrantShadow I've got 2 for my shed setup running 2 fridges with 600w of panels, I use about 20-30% of my load over night. Been happy with them.
@mthomas6
@mthomas6 4 жыл бұрын
Will, I would say Renogy, but then theres the series, so a little towards battle born. But so expensive. Keep up the great work you are doing Will.
@danielgeorgerannelli9432
@danielgeorgerannelli9432 4 жыл бұрын
Man I like how this guy gets right down to the truth of the matter. Great advice and informative
@PCMenten
@PCMenten 4 жыл бұрын
Will, ask them why it can’t be used in series. Nice battery!
@glensmith766
@glensmith766 4 жыл бұрын
I'm betting it has to do with the communications system. The comm wires from the high batteries will be at a different voltage that the low battery comm wires.
@MattLesak
@MattLesak 4 жыл бұрын
It’s the way the BMS is configured is my guess. The comms can be powered separately. I don’t see it being a big deal given their target market.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
I believe pouch cells are unable to handle the pass-though current. Just are solar panels themselves differ greatly in how many can be placed in series.
@melaniecotterell8263
@melaniecotterell8263 2 жыл бұрын
@@geraldhenrickson7472 current just knows that it is flowing to a lower potential. Just so you don't use 2 batteries to increase the current (ala your analogy with solar panels which also are voltage limited because of ground shorting possibility- these batteries are well insulated) above the rated amps the battery knows no different. Even if one was at 100% SOC and the other was at a very low SOC it wouldn't hurt anything but they would need to be balanced when recharging. Current is always passing through a battery when it is discharging. Current is constant the amount of voltage added by each cell depends on the SOC ,the current, and the resistance of the cell. Each cell should be identical and of the same age, system can only perform as good as the worst cell.
@Miata822
@Miata822 4 жыл бұрын
I like that it can be opened nondestructively and potentially repaired should the board fail.
@IllumTheMessage
@IllumTheMessage 4 жыл бұрын
Big plus for me too.
@MikeGentry
@MikeGentry 4 жыл бұрын
That looked to be the best overall design Will has torn down so far.
@centralny753
@centralny753 4 жыл бұрын
I got this battery last year for $800. on sale and has served me well. With the Renogy 400 Watt 12 Volt Monocrystalline Solar Starter Kit with Wanderer .. BUT,, The BT-1 Bluetooth monitor module for it is not what I was expecting being from Renogy. Thank You for your review , it's given me I clear insight on the product.
@ragincajun9354
@ragincajun9354 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you did this Will, I purchased 2 of the 170AH I was worried about the parts you can't see (inside) thanks to your video I feel good about my purchase. I do run mine in parallel in my RV.
@johncanalese588
@johncanalese588 3 жыл бұрын
The 170Ah Renogy is a completely different battery architecture. It does not use LFP pouch cells but uses 26650 cylindrical batteries in a 4S53P configuration (total of 212 batteries). The BMS is also different and no “smart” connectivity. Not saying it’s bad just different.
@ReversePeople
@ReversePeople 4 жыл бұрын
Another great vid, Will. Thank you. I’d still go with Battle Born. I have 5 of them and am extremely impressed with their performance and build quality (not to mention the warranty).
@4philipp
@4philipp 4 жыл бұрын
ReversePeople how would you install batteries of different life cycles?
@ReversePeople
@ReversePeople 4 жыл бұрын
4philipp - First, I’d individually charge and check the battery(ies) I was about to add to my existing bank. If they check out, I’d fully charge my existing battery/bank, then connect them all together. They should all balance over time anyway, but I prefer to start them off this way. If/when the bank shows any performance degradation, I’d take individual meter readings of each battery and remove the problematic one(s). One of the many great things about Battle Borns (and presumably others of similar chemistry and quality), is they’re good for so many cycles (read: thousands, if not mistreated), you can add batteries long after your initial purchase and be just fine. Hope this helps. Will and Co - please jump in if you feel I’ve misstated anything. Thanks, everyone.
@HappyHarryHardon
@HappyHarryHardon 4 жыл бұрын
I just bought two and the 40A dc-dc charger. I’m excited to get rid of my AGMs!!!
@christianwinkelmann8477
@christianwinkelmann8477 3 жыл бұрын
@Leslley Scotte , I would like to know how happy you are Stil with the battery? Thanks thinking of buying 2
@HappyHarryHardon
@HappyHarryHardon 3 жыл бұрын
@@christianwinkelmann8477 I love them! I have had no issues. I replaced 4 AGM with just the two and have much more usable power for far longer. Not to mention an amazing amount of saved weight and space.
@christianwinkelmann8477
@christianwinkelmann8477 3 жыл бұрын
@@HappyHarryHardon thank you so much, you helped me a lot , I could find anything in Germany jet . Thanks and a big hug
@HappyHarryHardon
@HappyHarryHardon 3 жыл бұрын
@@christianwinkelmann8477 You’re welcome. Enjoy them!
@dannymars
@dannymars 3 жыл бұрын
I have 2 of these and am equally impressed with the performance. But yeah, lack of series connection is annoying. I run a 3000w 240v inverter and the cabling is HUGE.
@drymoonproperties
@drymoonproperties 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will I wasn't expecting that at all.
@ChadSmith305
@ChadSmith305 4 жыл бұрын
Almost 2am over here in Michigan, about to get out of work and I've got some time to kill. Bam! Will comes through with an upload! :)
@ChadSmith305
@ChadSmith305 4 жыл бұрын
Learned not to mess with pouches if I ever come across them!
@MarkSpencerAZ
@MarkSpencerAZ 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will, I was waiting for you to tear this one down! Have you done their previous model yet? I own two of the previous model. One failed, Renogy replaced it no charge.
@IncandescentDaD
@IncandescentDaD 4 жыл бұрын
What happened to cause the bad one to fail?
@kevinholland4156
@kevinholland4156 4 жыл бұрын
It's so good you tear these apart Will. It lets us know if it's garbage. I wish Dakota Battery would send you one to take apart. Their prices are right up there too. I want a Battle Born so bad my teeth hurt!
@michaelnelson3469
@michaelnelson3469 3 жыл бұрын
You sold me a battery with this review. Thanks for all the detail.
@gomariussmith
@gomariussmith 4 жыл бұрын
I see a battery called VoltaX Lifepo being advertised everywhere. Any Idea if these would be any good?
@SOFISINTOWN
@SOFISINTOWN 4 жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for you, Will, we would all be flying blind. Thank you!
@wpherigo1
@wpherigo1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, Will. Nicely done!
@tomgauger949
@tomgauger949 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Will. I want to get two of these for my Monaco house batteries. I wondered about how to keep them warm in Winter and Renogy just sent an email about their new 12v 100amp battery with a built-in heater. Problem solved!
@ilkertemir
@ilkertemir 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know how this compares to the new(?) "12V 100Ah Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery w/ Bluetooth"?
@poorpauly1308
@poorpauly1308 4 жыл бұрын
Series only connection is a huge factor, they need to change that.
@BenMitro
@BenMitro 4 жыл бұрын
We have some batteries here in Australia that limit series connection to two batteries. I think this has to do with limitations in the BMS, and yes it is a stumbling block. Many use 24V and 48V systems and these voltages makes so much sense when you have battery storage over 2kWh.
@ernstlombard8336
@ernstlombard8336 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely a deal breaker
@BenMitro
@BenMitro 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackturtle131 yep, sell for around 595 Australian pesos. Still only good for 24V..no good to me.
@jeffg3563
@jeffg3563 4 жыл бұрын
How does Battleborn support batteries in series with a common cathode BMS? I would have figured that if the first battery cuts off from overcharging that it would disconnect the rest of the batteries and they could potentially never be fully charged.
@BenMitro
@BenMitro 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffg3563 Damn good point Jeff G
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 4 жыл бұрын
Its nice to see some real competition forming. Bodes well for prices and future improvements. -Matt
@zerodegrees8
@zerodegrees8 Жыл бұрын
I just ordered this battery to run a fridge off solar at camp, now i'm pumped also knowing I can use a 3rd party bms should the onboard one fail. Almost seems impossible for this battery to do the job of a large lead acid and do it better, Thanks for the vid
@4philipp
@4philipp 4 жыл бұрын
Considering none of the renogy batteries can be wired in series, I’d go with battleborn. Add a nice MidNite classic 150 and we are in business.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
There are good alternatives to BattleBorn. They are just the brand that is currently flooding KZfaq creators with free stuff. I would wait to see how they hold up considering that user installed batteries, especially in a user built system, are very difficult to warranty. FullRiver makes terrific batteries...there are others. Do your research.
@4philipp
@4philipp 4 жыл бұрын
G Henrickson wait and see can be challenging. I won’t need my batteries for another two years, at which point I’ll have to make the actual decision. But anyone who is in the market right now will likely go with a well branded product. It communicates quality, reliability, support and if course good looks. If the price is reasonable enough people will buy. I think there is an aspect of overthinking things as well. Most just want their system to work. Your buddy has xyz and it works? That’s all the reassurance you need.
@oculophilia918
@oculophilia918 4 жыл бұрын
@@geraldhenrickson7472 you just repped a company that only makes agm batteries? is this 2002 or am I missing something?
@timsmith1029
@timsmith1029 4 жыл бұрын
@@geraldhenrickson7472 I don't believe FullRiver offers a LiFePO4 do they?
@matthewdeck3246
@matthewdeck3246 3 жыл бұрын
No one else offers a 10 year warranty, that's why bb continues to stay on top. Imo.
@daves3016
@daves3016 4 жыл бұрын
Dang i was hoping for the older style renogy battery teardown. i own 2 of them and was curious whats inside.
@TNhilltophomestead
@TNhilltophomestead 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how they perform since you can still get them for $100 less than the "smart" ones
@ejchalabala7704
@ejchalabala7704 4 жыл бұрын
I am also very interested in the older battery teardown!
@aleva898
@aleva898 Жыл бұрын
Hey, love your teardowns and analysing videos. How come you don't recommend this battery or other Renogy products in general on your website?
@Mike-ot8ih
@Mike-ot8ih 4 жыл бұрын
Battleborn for me. Their cells seem so much more durable than a pouch. BTW... LOVE THE TEAR-DOWNS!!
@SB-dg8hq
@SB-dg8hq 10 ай бұрын
I have been worried about pouch cells, however the Nissan Leaf uses pouch cells so I think that the Renogy battery will be a safe buy. Three years on from this video Renogy batteries have had plenty of time show their reliability and are now they half of the price of the Battle Born batteries. Anyway I've just bought one of these batteries with the heating function so fingers crossed it will be a good purchase. I've seen a couple of videos on KZfaq where people have had a problem with a Renogy battery and the company replaced the battery without any arguments, so that is reassuring.
@PH_INFO_101
@PH_INFO_101 4 жыл бұрын
I would bet that the Renogy Engineers have been referencing your videos in an attempt to design & build a better product.
@KyrstOak
@KyrstOak 4 жыл бұрын
@Lassi Kinnunen Laptops can bulge??
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
@@KyrstOak I believe any pouch cell can bulge yet it there is one chemistry that might resist such...it would be LiFe Po4.
@KyrstOak
@KyrstOak 4 жыл бұрын
@@geraldhenrickson7472 Ok. What makes you think LiFe Po4 can resist bulging?
@Doctorbasss
@Doctorbasss 4 жыл бұрын
@DIY Projects yes. One great exemple are the Chevy Spark EV battery. All model up to 2015 have A123 top quality cells in 20Ah pouch. The packs are in 28s3p for 5.43kWh. There is 4 of these in tge spark. That spark can keep 80% charge time at full 100% power on L3 charging power. Else there are Chevy Volt that use top quality LG pouch cells in 96s3p for the 2011 to 2016 model years. These are very stable and reliable. So impressive then some friends of mine use these in their Tesla powered drag racing cars to power the tesla 500kW motor.
@colemcleod941
@colemcleod941 3 жыл бұрын
@DIY Projects and that's just one reason Tesla is superior
@GeoffCrittenden
@GeoffCrittenden 4 жыл бұрын
"It's hard to be critical of something that's well-made." Amen. Makes me wonder why anyone ever makes something that's NOT well-made.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
Because stuff only needs to last the warranty period. The corners you can cut with this attitude are amazing.
@CajunWolffe
@CajunWolffe 4 жыл бұрын
Because some folks are just greedy and don't give a shit, and some people take great pride in their craftsmanship, I'll pay the extra for the latter, but, unfortunately, many chose the cheaper route, and then bitch when it lets them down. We, humans, are silly creatures with the attention span of a gnat.
@pmwilliams123
@pmwilliams123 4 жыл бұрын
Higher quality is more costly to produce, and requires a higher price point. And for modest needs, too much quality is a waste of the resources. Some people deride 'value engineering' but poor people (or wise rich people) should not be asked to pay for unnecessary quality. Do you have all your tools in titanium? Like the narrow seats you get when you buy cheap tickets for airline travel, some people are willing to make the trade-off, and we should not be so snobbish of their choices. Likewise for the firms that provide the lower quality product, they serve a market composed of real people who may not be dupes after all.
@malcolmhay6668
@malcolmhay6668 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Will thanks again for your battery info. A lot of the batteries you test are not available in Australia. Renogy are available so I was happy to hear what you had to say about it. I soon will be changing to lithium so I guess this Renogy one would suit me. One of the most popular lithium batteries in Australia is itech world. It would be nice if you could get your hands on one of those for testing. Thanks Will.
@john_lm0751
@john_lm0751 4 жыл бұрын
Will, I think you should do a POLL for who uses Series vs non-Series to get an idea of which is more popular or used in such application because (IMHO) saying no series support as a con is not always a bad thing.
@barrytimm5497
@barrytimm5497 4 жыл бұрын
No series connection kills it for me.
@wkrp10splayer19
@wkrp10splayer19 4 жыл бұрын
bingo. it is a no-go for me. also, sharing the truth limits... isn't battleborn limited to 48V? so, BB has series limitations too.
@barrytimm5497
@barrytimm5497 4 жыл бұрын
@@wkrp10splayer19 true, but i think most folks would be happy with the common 24v or 48v banks, so that limit seems reasonable to me.
@stvwds61
@stvwds61 4 жыл бұрын
@Lassi Kinnunen That is very possible! As I cannot think of any other reason they could not be.
@ReflectedMiles
@ReflectedMiles 4 жыл бұрын
@Lassi Kinnunen It is possible that they are actually concerned with matching problems, too, though I am suspicious of the "sophistication" of the BMS with such a significant limitation being required. Even Battle Born wants to know in advance if a purchaser intends to put their units in series so that BB can make sure they are matched. I doubt that Renogy is able to do the same.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
Look for a different model. Probably just costs more.
@FullTimeOverland
@FullTimeOverland 4 жыл бұрын
Do you know the warranty? If it’s less than 10 years, I’d stay with BB.
@tonyborrill1789
@tonyborrill1789 4 жыл бұрын
The Renogy website lists it as a "5-year prorated warranty".
@FullTimeOverland
@FullTimeOverland 4 жыл бұрын
Tony Borrill Battle Born FTW!!!. Five additional years of warranty for $10 per year!
@2heavyb517
@2heavyb517 4 жыл бұрын
funny, lead acid probably not worth a damn before 5 much less 10 years
@Motumatai3
@Motumatai3 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikemead2315 Yep. My super heavy ancient technology FLA are just hitting 11 years old. Are close to being stuffed, but only cost $2,500 USD for 25kwhrs storage @ 48volts. Have run the house for 11 years for 2.5K USD
@redsquirrelftw
@redsquirrelftw 4 жыл бұрын
Rolls Surrette lead acid batteries also have like a 7 year warranty so it's something to keep in mind. If they put one that long it means they expect them to perform well at least that long. Hopefully much longer though as they arn't exactly cheap but still cheaper (and easier to get) than lithium. They're also made in Canada which is a bonus. I have no plans to setup a huge system but I will consider them when I'm in the market.
@dwight2812
@dwight2812 Жыл бұрын
I’m here to learn.... thank you Will
@Knobby_
@Knobby_ 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoying your vids and taking your advice. I was wondering if you tested the cold temp cut off on this model?
@Mike-.
@Mike-. 4 жыл бұрын
For the algorithm
@roguepilot1
@roguepilot1 4 жыл бұрын
The only thing I don't like is the fact you can't put them in series.
@13Hangfire
@13Hangfire 4 жыл бұрын
I guess it depends on your needs... something small, light weight and simple I'd go with the Renogy for sure!
@cgauthier5094
@cgauthier5094 Жыл бұрын
Just awesome review !! Would like to hear more on Renogy after your research !!! 😀
@moavbilly7993
@moavbilly7993 4 жыл бұрын
Thank god......have been "scared" that my $3596 investment was going to be negated by "tear" down. Thanks Renogy AND Will.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
If you had it professionaly installed you will have the warranty to fall back upon. The panels have a 25 year warranty?
@moavbilly7993
@moavbilly7993 4 жыл бұрын
What ?????
@SmokiesDen
@SmokiesDen 4 жыл бұрын
The fact they can't be put in series is very disappointing and would be a reason I wouldn't buy them.
@redsquirrelftw
@redsquirrelftw 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah they need to figure out a way around that, or make different voltage ones like a 24v and 48v model that just changes the grouping of the cells and uses a different BMS. They just need to clearly mark it, since most people that see a battery in that form factor (ex: "car battery") assume it's 12v even if they know nothing about batteries.
@stvwds61
@stvwds61 4 жыл бұрын
Right! I was excitedly interested until learning they were restricted to 12v only system design!
@ReflectedMiles
@ReflectedMiles 4 жыл бұрын
@J G Not really. Life begins at 48 (at home and the office, anyway).
@stvwds61
@stvwds61 4 жыл бұрын
@J G My primary issues are the cost and inconvenience with wire gauges and, solar charging capabilities.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of folk seem to run a 12v battery bank. For some it would not matter. Perhaps they have another model that offers series capability.
@kansaIainen
@kansaIainen 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Finland. What a great battery!
@t0ny747
@t0ny747 4 жыл бұрын
I am looking to buy a battery soon for my van. I think I am going to wait for the new BattleBorn batteries to come out before deciding. I like the data port on this battery ( assuming it can do what I think it could ) and the ease of opening it ( for future repairs if needed ) but the downside is thatit only has a 5 year warranty.
@howard922
@howard922 4 жыл бұрын
25.3 pounds = 11.47 kgs 👍
@fred1534
@fred1534 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@kennytheclown3859
@kennytheclown3859 9 ай бұрын
I love your channel. I use lithium batteries for my bubble machines.
@northmandan2715
@northmandan2715 4 жыл бұрын
I'm on the fence! Here in Quebec it's hard to find Battleborn batteries but Renogy have distribution in canada!! I just bought a 2000w Inverter/charger from them. It would be nice from you to do a review about that. Really appreciate your passion and enthusiasm about solar. Your like ''YODA'' of solar power! Keep up the nice work.
@Voiceguitar
@Voiceguitar 8 ай бұрын
This review is compelling, but renogy's amazon reviews are awful unfortunately. Seems like there is a lot of dead batteries being sent out with zero support after purchase. Shame
@burnzy56469
@burnzy56469 4 жыл бұрын
No glue amazing.. that's a first
@TheDawnofVanlife
@TheDawnofVanlife 4 жыл бұрын
@J G I think he bought this one with his own $$$$. There's no sponsorship mention. Which you have to do when they send you product.
@TheDawnofVanlife
@TheDawnofVanlife 4 жыл бұрын
@J G I stand corrected, I missed that.
@TheDawnofVanlife
@TheDawnofVanlife 4 жыл бұрын
@J G No, there's stuff he still buys with his own money. He gets sent a crap ton, but he'll also happily spend his own money.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 4 жыл бұрын
I believe they are skipping the marine market with this battery. Not waterproof so cheaper to build by far.
@kendclife7913
@kendclife7913 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed review and tear down. I was on the fence, but you have sold this battery. It is on Amazon now for $815 (shipped and sold by Amazon). I am going to use it on my mini-camper van build. By the way, your eyes are amazing, and you need to look directly into the camera and better mesmerize viewers more :-) !
@christianwinkelmann8477
@christianwinkelmann8477 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I would like to know how happy you are still? Thanks...
@rogerbrooks
@rogerbrooks 4 жыл бұрын
I just purchased and installed two Renogy 170 Ah batteries, which did not come with a communications port and switch. So far I love them! 340 Ah in two batteries! Hopefully, mine are as well built as the one you tore down. Keep up the great work!
@philwilliams23
@philwilliams23 2 жыл бұрын
How did the 2x170 ah batteries hold up Roger?
@rogerbrooks
@rogerbrooks 2 жыл бұрын
@@philwilliams23 Abdsolutely love them. Have four of them for a year on a travel trailer, and now have six 170A Hr batteries on our fifth wheel for 14 months and counting. They have been fantastic. Twice we accidentally drained them and in both cases they charged right back up with no issues. A great BMS as well. We use two Victron Multi-Plusses and Victron MPPT controllers and 2360 watts of solar.
@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife
@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife 4 жыл бұрын
Love your battery tear downs!
@Toproller-
@Toproller- 3 жыл бұрын
Love Renogy, always thought of them as a quality manufacturer for a fair price.
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