I love the slow movement of the 1st violin concerto. Very haunting and mesmerising as the various sections are added like musical building blocks amid a slow building crescendo.

Thanks Jed. That's great to know.

@@DavesClassicalGuide Canto Ostinato has a large and rather convoluted discography. For instance, trying to sort out all of the recordings involving Jeroen Van Veen (and various solo and ensemble configurations) is like untangling the Sviatoslav Richter discography...not an easy task!

It's my pleasure. Gamelan music is amazing--it really deserves a video of its own. I'll get to it. Kechak too.

Gamelan and Ketchak: I experienced it in Indonesia many, many years ago. Still a cherished memory of being overwhelmed by the impact.

@@DavesClassicalGuide Kechak needs to be a "How they did it piece., maybe paired with Spem in Alium. Both will give you whiplash on first hearing.

I don't hate Boulez's music. That would require far more emotional energy than it deserves. Besides, there are a couple of pieces I really kind of mildly like (Rituel especially).

@@DavesClassicalGuide Ouch!

I was laughing about the gay Germans in turtlenecks too-maybe the younger ones became European dance music producers in a decade. There's some back and forth on exactly how much minimalism was an inspiration or a parallel development of how popular music would evolve post-Krautrock (and certainly the hated European avant-garde was influential to the likes of Faust/Can), but yeah, it's hard to listen to this and not think about parallel development in popular music at the same time.

You're very welcome.

I like a lot of his music.

The problem with La Monte Young is the difficulty in sourcing recordings. He seems to have disappeared from the discography.

I think LMY despite his historical importance is one of those guys who absolutely hates recordings of his music and barely lets anything get released. Who knows why. Cage isn't a "true" minimalist but should probably be represented (even if it's sitting in total silence for 4'33") - I think everyone in the first wave of American minimalism more or less idolized him.

@@samuelheddle As I recall head some self-produced recordings that were flogged at concerts. I remember buying one - which was stolen or lost

@@harrycornelius373 they sell for ridiculous amounts now, so if anyone wants to listen to LMY I recommend uh, "other ways" of getting his music that don't involve paying a Discogs collector $1500

You have to draw the line somewhere, so I did. Andriessen never impressed me.

@@DavesClassicalGuide Fair enough

@@DavesClassicalGuide Hoketus by Andriessen is a certainly a masterpiece of some kind. Perhaps the lovechild of minimalism and rock.

@@phomchick I'll give it another shot.

Thank you! Will do!

Definitely not Webern. He was a miniaturist, not a minimalist, especially since the very essence of his method avoids literal repetition. He tried to pack as much variety as he could into a very small space, and that's quite different from minimalism.

Thanks Dave for the clarification. Very interesting

Maybe because he's not a minimalist, although I enjoy a lot of his music.

Tubular Bells is often considered the first true example of rock minimalism. At the time (1973) it was often compared to Riley, who was certainly an influence, altho Oldfield's score was constructed in the studio, whereas In C is fully realized only thru improvisation. Oldfield's subsequent work was much more fluid and doesnt qualify as minimalist.

What are you apologizing for. I like a lot of them too.

Yes, absolutely.

@@DavesClassicalGuide Do you have any particular favorites of Glass' symphonies?

OK. "Almost" performer proof. I think I was pretty clear about how in this case--perhaps I should have said "interpretation proof" because I was thinking more of expression that technical execution.

I think I agree. Proper tempo seems vital. And it must be HELL on the orchestra. Wonder ( with Glass) how they keep track, since in the scores it often gives a pattern and a number ( 10 times, for example) I would think messing up would be a constant worry, after boredom and idiocy set in. Like how string players think of Bruckner as an arm killer with the constant, fast " chug chug chug" of tremelo.

You tell me.

@@DavesClassicalGuide Nah... that's pop music, a commercial spin off from what was originaly started by Neu!. In fact, La Dusseldorf was the later band of Klaus Dinger, a founding member of Neu! who basically 'invented' the 'motorik' or 'apache' style of drumming (or rather was the first to show that it could somehow be interesting.) There is a clear link between the German early seventies avant garde pop scene and modern minimal music. Michael Rother, the other member of Neu! and producer Conny Plank were very influential in substantiating this connection. Also people like Konrad Schnitzler, Dieter Moebius, Hans Joachim Roedelius, (Cluster, Harmonia) the early Kraftwerk and Manuel Götsching (in particular his inventions for electric guitar) played an important role. In Italy at the time works of particular importance were created by Roberto Cacciapaglia (in particular his Sonanza) and Franco Battiato (Click.) Then Brian Eno jumped on the bandwagon and took things even further and made it all commercial. The movement died as suddenly as it started in the mid eighties, when synthesizers became ever more accessible, and New Age took over, allowing a lot of people of very limited talent to produce some very boring music. Hans-Joachim Roedelius is probably the last and longest lasting protagonist of the creative era, still giving very minimalist improvised piano recitals in a very personal and recognizable style. (and great interviews too!) Michael Rother does not seem to be making new compositions anymore, but is increasingly recognized by famous guitarists around the world as a major influence for his innovative style of music making. More recently a 'drone' style has emerged, driven by the likes of Nils Frahm, Dustin O'Halloran and Adam Wiltzie (A Winged Victory for the Sullen) and others, that even made it to the BBC Proms! That style too is firmly rooted in the German minimalistic avant garde from the seventies. Anyway. Great talk of very wide ranging scope, with lots of great insights. So thanks a lot for that, David! Still, I think György Ligeti should be part of every discussion on minimal music.

No. There's a difference between minimalism and mere repetition.