my thoughts on how the Replicators and transporters actually work : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9Bpm7arlaudZKM.html

That's why the Frenchman with the English accent owns a vineyard.

Im assuming that a replicator is kind of like mass produced food you'd buy in a supermarket - good enough, but since everything is uniform you'll always have people preferring home made.

Old trek: Replicators are great but still prefer cooking by hand or eating fresh food because there more love and favor to it than was done in machine. Nu Trek: EAT DA POO POO!

My head cannon was that when food replicators first came around, gourmet chefs from around the galaxy submitted scans of their master class dishes. They then became so widespread and reused that people grew to dislike what were 5 star meals and eventually crave any possible variation.

In other words: In TNG+, replicator food was perfectly fine. Non-replicated food was a special thing if you wanted something high-class and "extra authentic". In NuTrek, replicator food is Cyberpunk-style pig slop. Non-replicated food is what the real people eat. In still other words: TNG+ was being classy. NuTrek is being classist.

The replicators ain't shit but the transporter can literally be used to store, regenerate and clone people.

I connect with Worf's "Delicious" on a spiritual level.

Everyone did like natural food more because of y'know variety from "Imperfections," and the secret ingredient of love. But they were never THAT terrible.

Correction, there's nothing wrong with replicated food, unless you want living food. The only complaints about the replicated food come from people who serve aboard starships, and that's because there are strict dietary requirements that replicators have to follow on Federation ships, that's why councilor Troy complained about her replicated chocolate thing she ordered because it wasn't exactly what she ordered because of those dietary requirements, the ship's replicators do the best they can do with while keeping within the nutritional rules that Starfleet has, so councilor Troy's dessert was like a health food facsimile of what she wanted, as close to what she wanted as possible while making sure it met all of the nutritional requirements of Starfleet. You never hear of people complaining about the replicators outside of Starfleet, Quark's bar replicates everything they serve, but they don''t have to follow the strict Starfleet dietary requirements, so what they replicate is exactly what people order and not a health food facsimile.

They always said it replicated matter, no one wants to say “fecal matter” it just ruins everyone’s appetite

Even if the difference were completely indistinguishable there'd still be people who'd want meals prepared the "old fashioned" way due to the Placebo effect.

Its almost like replicators make it extremely hard to have plot McGuffens that require the crew to go someplace, so the writers randomly decide what can and cannot be made.

The way people talk about replicator food in Star Trek reminds of coffee snobs.

"She handled _real_ meat, she _touched it_ and _cut it?"_

_We don't enslave animals for food purposes- we just get Klingons to do it for us_ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Sisko's Dad always had the right idea

“That is a Fish you are holding” 😂 I freaking love Worf

I love how the worse the food is the more Worf loves it.

I can understand a culture/community or even businesses rejecting food replicators out of religious doctrine, societal bias, or was an excuse to tout their own wares as superior; but to see everyone in nuTrek degrade it like it was always faulty technology angers me since it feels so simple-minded and limits what types of stories can be told.

I absolutely loved the inconsistency of the replicators and peoples opinions about the food quality, it made them so much more real because even if it were perfectly 1:1 people would argue one was better, or that one was worse. Though I do also think replicator quality and how well they are working would have a massive impact on taste if not the nutritional value. Like if you got a replicator from someone who used it for nothing but spicy curry for years so now everything it made was at least a little spicy.

The same amount of energy needed to recycle a watch should be about the same as making it in the replicator in the first place. Keep the watch, Janeway.

I think if I read a cookbook that read, "Heat the oven until it's happy" I'd roll my eyes out the back of my head. I knew there was another reason to skip the space ghost romance episode.

I love how in TNG they made it seem like the replicator was perfect and everything tasted incredible. Then they moved on to season three and suddenly the thing isn't quite as good as they claimed it was.

Plus, the thought of eating or drinking Recycled biological waste like Riker's splooge from his holodeck exploits, or Worf's massive Turd Logs, is not very appealing compared to real food.

Meanwhile in season 1 TNG: oh my God, how could you eat real meat when replicators exist, you savage?!

The sad thing about replicators would be the loss of a cultural force that is so central to people bonding: food prep, cooking, and eating. Cooking for someone, sharing a meal with someone, it brings people together, it connects you to your culture.

"Let's replicate this out on a tray, nice"

Wow. I pushed "Sub Rosa" so far out of my memory that seeing the first clip from it was like seeing a brand new episode

I always like the idea that the replicators make the "perfect" version of the food, with tastes "just right" with the perfect balance of nutrition, which is great at first, but when you have weeks/months/years of it being *exactly* the same, it just loses its charm, which is why the emphasis on "real" food. And then you get to the Synthehol argument, where they change it ever-so-slightly so you don't get drunk. And the sweet stuff (Like Counselor Troy's Chocolate Sundae) that is likely made to not make you fat. This line of thinking, of course, leads to "The Writer's Barely-Disguised Fetish" known as STD and Picard

“This replicator is unable to replicate tobacco products.” “This replicator is unable to replicate red meat dishes.” “This replicator is unable to replicate real cream products.” “This replicator is unable to replicate real maple syrup.” “This replicator is unable to replicate cannabis or cannabis derivatives.” “Alcoholic products are not permitted on board the Enterprise.”

Replicators are the Enterprises version of the MREs

My suspicion is that their distain for replicators is Psychological. The idea of something appearing out of thin air might be somewhat distressing. Even if they’re used to the technology. The food is said to be absolutely delicious by most people. They say that it’s also engineered to be completely nutritious no matter what you get. I believe that by the late 24th century, A replicator is essentially in every civilian home.

As an Irishman I approve of the bottle of Jameson in O'Brien's hands 👍

10:30 wow! Genetronic Replicator sounds like a bio-3D printer that we have now

In a society where synthesizing and processing is the norm, people will hunger for true craftsmanship.

It's worse than we think. All replicated food tastes like Arby's.

>Sees the Klingon Chef. Now that would be an interesting character to have in a series.

The difference was explained in Enterprise's first season. Anything produced by a replicator was dead. Live produce will still be somewhat alive when prepared (and possibly still alive served) this alters the taste slightly. Also means a replicator can't produce living tissue for organ replacements. They still need to be grown (which Bashir did in DS9 where he grew an entire clone on accident).

hay a clip from sub rosa where they murdered a innocent anaphasic lifeform without even trying to understand its lifecycle or find it different source of food

I always imagined that every individual food item just tastes the same, so once you’ve had one apple you’ve had the definitive article as it were. So even soups and stews taste similar. STD’s “brown sticky shit.” Is just terrible and wrong.

I think its true that human doesnt need "Real food" anymore in star trek. However, matters of humanity cannot be solved solely on logic. We already know that feelings is also a huge part of a human life which is why human create arts that seems to be useless to their community but as it turns out, they did needed it. This matter is pretty the samilar as that. They dont need "real food" anymore but then the needs of delicacy got overlooked. Human needed the delicacy of their food, in modern times you can see they are willing to eat in an expensive restaurant for it even if its only on special occasions. They did handmade cooking for the taste of the real materials and the taste of the foods made by different personalities. They also did it to fulfill the human need of creating arts as they already said, food preparation is an art that has been done in traditional human home usually done by the mother but from time to time, this would became a way for them to express their love for their childrens, their friends, and their families. We can see this today as we lived during the time of instant meals and yet a mother, a father, siblings sometimes still cooks traditionally to take care of their families nutrition needs and used the delicacy of their meals to show their love for them. The Starfleet officers know this tradition is dying with the invention of instant meals and then the invention of replicators might just be its final nail and they are conflicted about it. Which is why they keep talking about it to their friends or their commander and them being an organization that also upheld the values of humanity, It is appropriate for them to express their concern regarding this topic. It may seems like they are being selfish for complaining about it but its because there is just no better way to express their concern that one day human would stopped the art of cooking. When human stopped creating their art of homemade food, that would mean almost all recipes that has been made centuries ago have a higher chance to go extinct along with their cultural backgrounds and are they really human anymore if they abandoned one of the most fundamental part of a typical human life as they stopped showing how much they care and loved their family and others with the delicacy of their handmade meals? There is no place better to start than a stafleet Enterprise. They can start cooking again as they keep traveling through space, If they keep the tradition alive in their ship they will be able to spread the tradition across different planet and keep the tradition alive even after the existance of Replicators and with luck, There will be a chance of new recipes being born in their time.

If the transporter reassembles you intact every time, certainly the replicator can assemble food precisely the way it should be. The replicator tech comes from transporter tech.

It's not that surprising. Even now you have factories making food in bulk but it isn't the same as home-made. A shop-bought mince (fruit) pie vs a home-made one, home-made bread vs the factory. Even when you use replicators to simulate the home-made it lacks that natural variance.

If the replicator and transporter uses the same principle of matter conversion. Then that means once you went through the transporter you are as artificial as the food in the replicator.

New Trek feels like a generic gritty dystopian Sci-Fi show...

Replecators: limited, new technology (tng) Replecators: fancy burrito makers (discovery)

I'd like to think having food made by the Replicator is akin to cooking/heating in a microwave... it'll do the job in a pinch but you'd prefer to eat a nicer prepared and tasting meal

How can Riker cook eggs when he doesn't believe in keeping livestock for food? He poaches them.

Sonny Lemon’s remark of “your computer here fixed about the best martini I have ever had.” From the episode Neutral Zone always bothered me. He is one of the only people to compliment the replicators. The only way it makes sense to me is that it was a deliberate jab at his character. That Sonny has only ever had really bad martinis being a struggling musician. Now a replicated martini tastes better than a poorly made real one. Giving a metric of “at least average” but not “trash” in terms of taste. He gave a lower limit to the taste, even if real food can taste better is made well.

"We no longer enslave animals for food purposes." ....Sure

Captain Kirk - Sarian brandy. I said, give me the brandy!

Except that one dude with the martini

Lets think about it for a sec tho, if their synthahol is supposed to taste shitty imagine how trash the weed would be.

I wonder how Quark would feel about Gagh or how a Klingnon would feel about Tube Grubs. Funny you never see them talk about it even though I would imagine tube grubs to be fatter

@5:57 when Geordi abandoned his meal, 100% Worf ate it.

Real replicators have tribbles in them.

In TNG, they have the best replicators available to Starfleet and the food lacks a certain "je ne sais qua", but is uniformly good. It's telling that the things it "cannot do justice to" are the most subtle delicassies-- I'm sure most meals would be very good. I'm also sure the replicators on Earth, where they have nigh unlimited power, are probably a step above. In DS9 they have shitty replicators on a shitty outback frontier stop and the difference is more pronounced but still-- everyone seems to enjoy their meals at Quark's. In the new Trek it's barely edible.

3:22 Artificial Life Form watches in horror as promiscuous Military Commander feeds his own splooge to his hungry comrades. 24th Century Colorized.

Disco Trek basically hates technology. The show fundamentally disagrees with the premise that in the future humanity can outgrow its dark impulses through hard work, reform, and empathy. Disco doesn’t agree with that. From the first episode to the latest things only get worse not better. It believes we’d all be better off snuggly back on earth minding our own business and leaving everyone else alone.

lol. "Shit cake. I made it myself." "THANKS WORF!"

It bothers me when they say "iT dOeSnt tAstE LikE tHe rEAl thINg" bitch it literally rearranges "MOLECULES" at the "ATOMIC" level, the apple would literally "BE" the real thing, hell perhaps even more real than the real thing. I mean if you use a transporter, are you not quite like the real you...? If you use the transporter too much, do your cells degrade and you get mega cancer or some shit? Are transporters the star trek equivalent of UV sunbeds?

Even the Nutrimatic Drink Dispenser of Hitchhiker's Guide produced something "almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea".

Major Grin, highlighting one of the things that's stayed consistent throughout Disco and Picard rather than just attacking them? My heart soars!

Troi: "I would like a..." Computer: "NO! You FAT!"

it was going so well... and then the nutrek attacked

My take away was that in the future, cooking is considered more of an art form than a necessary skill to not die. Sort of like how people now do gardening more as a hobby than to grow necessary food plants like they did in the past.

5:00 Computer voices in the 24th century are so realistic they even include breath sounds at the appropriate intervals. Surf Wisely.

You think they would have genetic modification of foods down to a science. Replication is just cheaper?

3:45 Gotta love that smug, 21st-century mentality.

This was great thanks for the collection of clips. I appreciate great content like this.

In TOS Roddenberry being a Navy vet, believed that Galley food would be automated in delivery. TNG existed in the astronaut era, with packaged that was ok, because of environment factors. Replicators are a convenience that supply basic survival items with ease. At the end of the day, they provide clean water and basic nutrition with no harmful side affects.

The replicator in Season 1 TNG was portrayed as very good at times

Actually replicators are only limited by plot molecules.

8:12 "A wee drop of the creature!" I haven't heard that since Honest John from An American Tail.

I'd like an episode were we meet the creator of the replicator and he's pissed of about how everyones shitting on his work despite ending world hunger.

"we no longer enslave animals for food purposes" next clip "do be do be doo" crack 3:44

Kind of like how Alex Kurtzman makes new Trek.... Out of his own shit.

how do you not get tired of this man. you basically had to rewatch everything comb through it and clip it

Why you got my dude Data holding a blunt in the thumbnail😄😄😄😄

Lost me the moment you included the travesty which is what I call imitation Star Trek or rather the Synthale of Star Trek. Later

You are helping push back the veil. It has been full of holes the whole time! Just like real home made Swiss cheese.

It's the same difference between having having a garden even though you can get anything you need imperfectly from the grocery store. Having a replicator frees up our time to pursue our interests.

They were just convenient, generally “good enough” and were technically healthier as they were synthesised with maximum nutritional elements and a balanced diet.

Classic Trek: "The replicators often can't give justice to the subtle layers of flavor in the best delicacies." NuTrek: "Replicator food isn't 'real'-- look at how miserable we are in general eating it all the time. Oh, and duur, it's made of our shit, lol"

Yes, but everything good in the old Star Trek pre STD/Picard is made "shit" in the new. This is not a future that I want to live in anymore.

I personally see the replicated food and real food in the Star Trek universe as similar to conventional food and organic food. Conventional food (like the ones you get from the regular store) is more practical in feeding a large population (since it can be made in bulk, faster, and cheaper), whereas organic food could, while more expensive, can give you that sort of 'realism' and emotional attachment (especially if you grew it yourself). But there's also another comparison: Since replicated food can feed the masses, real food can be grown and eaten as at leisure or luxury. Same can be said about conventional and organic food.

"Flair is what marks the difference between artistry and mere competence." I like that :)

"It's pretty good for shit" I wish I could say the same about the new Star Trek.

When we turn from classic Star Trek like TNG and Voyager to JunkTrek like Discovery -- we turn from discussion of tasty food to discussion of shit. How telling.

Thank you for posting! I really enjoyed seeing the various crews!

I respect the amount of time this took to find all these scenes.

We need to get Major Grin a marijuana brownie from The Orville food synthesizers. The Union has better tasting shit. 😅😂🤣 🥵😜🤪

Picard: "Material needs no longer exist, we've eliminated want" Also Picard: "I am an aristocrat, I own a vinyard in the French countryside, eat fine caviar and drink rare wines and brandies." The real question is whether every single person in the Federation takes part in an inter-stellar black-market of unimaginable proportions...or whether the entire structure is _still_ necessarily propped up by legitimate capitalism.

Picard casually having a few cases of caviar stashed away is a subtle flex

The Klingon Chef was a fun character on DS9; I wish he appeared more.

Ah Kurtzman Trek, the time where swearing, lies and the idea of speaking single words as references were all that was needed to make someone go "eh, kinda crap"

I remember MAD Magazine musical of Star Trek (Original Series). Sung to the tune of "I'll Never Fall in Love Again" One verse goes, "What do you eat when you fly through space? Those heat-and-serve meals from Starbase Alpha, tasting like hunks of dried alfalfa. I'll never fly through space again!"

“Captain, should I, as Ensign Crusher says, pass the boof?” “Make it so”

these just keep getting better and better