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@PhillipHilton4 ай бұрын
The quality of the guests on this podcast and the maturity of the conversations is breathtaking. It's absolutely fascinating to listen to guests of this standard being interviewed in such a capable manner.
@stephenhardy3124 ай бұрын
I agree completely with your comments. A very articulate, well-informed and worldly contribution
@ninopavkovic93824 ай бұрын
Morally seen, those individuals from the British Sectret Services, are the equivalent of the agent Smith from the movie "Matrix". Only in the domestic bubble they appear like somebody positive. For the rest of the world, they are wrongdoers of the worst category.
@ghotio19274 ай бұрын
They're literally spies who lie and cheat for a living and you trust what they're saying ? more fool you sir
@MarkSiosal4 ай бұрын
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@CallousCarter4 ай бұрын
@@stephenhardy312 Thery'e certainly articulate but I don't think they're well informed or insightful. With Intel chiefs like these it doesn't surprise me that we are continuing to lurch from one self made strategic disaster to another.
@junkbucket504 ай бұрын
You have to get Eliza back on she's so straight talking and no nonsense. It's like a breath of fresh air
@sherlockgnomes89714 ай бұрын
I wish we could have a PM like that 😂 not going to happen any time soon unfortunately😢
@richsan49234 ай бұрын
These cretins do far more harm than good and always have.
@sbwords4 ай бұрын
I felt she had more to say about Campbell and his cohorts distorting around Iraq. He won’t have her back and the tame Tory ex-spook is too timid to push the issue.
@henrytan55884 ай бұрын
British Intelligence is the longest agency and one of the best. The US started with the OSS from scratch and developed into the CIA . Yet the CIA still refer to the British Intelligence Stations around the world. But the UK should not be have a person like Edgar J Hoover. The ISI of Pakistan always tell the politicians that ISI is always there but not them.
@mspenelope68744 ай бұрын
Straight talking double agent. Yeah right.
@Time12345A4 ай бұрын
"IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911" MY HEART BLEEDS FOR ALL THE INNOCENT SOULS THAT LOST THEIR LIVES IN THAT ILLEGAL AND FALSE WAR!!! 💔
@neiltitmus97444 ай бұрын
That's what everyone was saying at the time but we're told there was sensitive information we could not see that confirmed that Iraq had wmd ,at that point I said to mys3lf OK but if not then you are all for it .these people still have not payed this bill and probably never will.5hen USA wanted Tony Blair to be middle east envoy you can't make this up.lol
@canadiangemstones76364 ай бұрын
What about the Kuwaiti’s? Your heart feel anything for them?
@Pauliewalnuts_8224 ай бұрын
@@canadiangemstones7636Are you seriously taking that position still after everything the anti war movement said is, and was, 100% accurate? Give your head a wobble.
@Time12345A4 ай бұрын
@canadiangemstones7636 What does Kuwait have to do with the fabricated Iraq war that cost more than a million innocent people their lives and homes? How do you feel so many people losing their lives/livelyhood, I wonder?
@Time12345A4 ай бұрын
@@Pauliewalnuts_822 ♥️
@scottblack92134 ай бұрын
Campbell hosting this particular podcast is the equivalent of Alec Baldwin being judge and jury in his own personal manslaughter trial.
@UK_Ash3 ай бұрын
💯💯💯
@redmed102 ай бұрын
How so?
@epistulaexmortuus2 ай бұрын
Lol you assume the party to be way more cohesive and autocratic than it is. Opinions internal and external from members are not necessarily the same. A good party member in the uk follows the party line regardless of their own feelings or opinion welcome to first past the post politics
@mattliamjack32932 ай бұрын
Boris johnson going to party in italy with kgb agent without telling security should be in çourt being a traotor..like trump showing secrets to foreigners. Both traitors.
@E-KatАй бұрын
@@redmed10Campbell was an advisor to Tony Blair, and he was responsible for a dossier indicating that Sadam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction , therefore justifying the invasion of Iraq!! The dossier was largely plagiarised from student dissertation , written about five years before, with added lies!! Google it, as it makes me feel ill having to write this all. Our country, together with the USA, has caused thousands of deaths of innocent people, many of them little children. It was all over the control of oil supply. Now, Iraq has to pay the US building companies for rebuilding Iraq and they charge a 100 thousand dollars for a shoddy room without foundations!! I saw a documentary about how the US continue to profit from the invasion of Iraq!!😭
@theresabates60584 ай бұрын
I forced myself to Listen to this excellent discussion as I loathe Campbell. The brass neck of him to sit there not acknowledging his part in the lies surrounding 9/11. What a treasure Eliza is
@Thewestisthevirus4 ай бұрын
Same here. She knows about Campbell and is giving him a slap
@amnaali26883 ай бұрын
They are all threat to the world. Every single one of them sitting on this panel.
@Gunni19723 ай бұрын
@@Thewestisthevirus You call that a slap? Once the Empirical mindset takes a foothold again, you will notice that it usually is delivered by a whip. She is afraid of trump, because he threatens to take away that whip, and use it for HIS agenda.
@colinstewart14323 ай бұрын
Her father was a Nuremburg judge, I believe. Her credentials are flawless.
@lw1zfog3 ай бұрын
@@colinstewart1432 hmmmm, did he sentence Fritz ter Meer ?
@Hunchbacc4 ай бұрын
Wasn’t Campbell the one who made the invasion of Iraq “sexy” and got up on Newsnight lecturing us. I wish David Kelly was here to be asked some questions. Oh wait, that was Campbells first body.
@colintook33574 ай бұрын
Poor David Kelly would have been a great addition to the conversation here around Iraq, would have certainly got Campbell squirming.
@denythenaysayer4 ай бұрын
Kelly wasn't "working for the good of the country" so had to go....😉
@sherlockgnomes89714 ай бұрын
@@denythenaysayerHave some bleeding respect , your emoji just makes this comment very twisted.
@blondie73414 ай бұрын
Thank god someone else made this connection. I cannot believe Campbell is being praised here after that performance on Newsnight!! 🤬
@howwwwwyyyyy4 ай бұрын
@@sherlockgnomes8971I'm fairly sure David Kelly would have no problem with the use of an emoji when someone is clearly pointing out that he was murdered
@rhobatbrynjones73744 ай бұрын
This is probably the most intelligent and fascinating broadcast that The Rest is Politics has ever done.
@alanbarker22794 ай бұрын
It certainly had a lot do with Intelligence... 😛
@gammamaster18944 ай бұрын
The absolute cheek of Alastair Campbell to sit there talking about Iraq and dishonesty in politics.
@robert-gs4ih4 ай бұрын
How Campbell has the bare faced cheek to discuss Iraq is beyond me. He has no shame but then again, we all knew that.
@chindit67844 ай бұрын
Because one of the spies were literally involved in the new Iraqi government. You would complain if he had said something or said nothing.
@LowlierThanThow4 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. How preposterous; the sheer audacity of Alistair Cambell. Shamelessness taken to new levels here.
@robert-gs4ih4 ай бұрын
@@LowlierThanThow Him, Blair and Brown should be totally embarrassed to show their faces in public.
@farzanamughal59334 ай бұрын
You'd rather he was silent about the topic?
@chindit67844 ай бұрын
@@farzanamughal5933 these people will complain whatever he says.
@davidlamb75244 ай бұрын
Virtually the whole country knew that. When Bush said "Iraq" we were all screaming at the telly "Wtf's Iraq got to do with it ?".
@frankmahoney12684 ай бұрын
OIL.
@davidlamb75244 ай бұрын
@@frankmahoney1268 Yes. And smoke-screen cover for the actual culprits.
@CYCHIATRIC3 ай бұрын
Well they're both spies and the other two are politicians. You don't expect them to tell the truth do you?
@annalehman939413 ай бұрын
@@frankmahoney1268you read my thoughts, how?
@Joe3pops3 ай бұрын
In Canada most Canadians, including our left leaning(marxist) prime minister smelled sh!te when George in 2003 turned the shell game from Afghanistan to Iraq. So glad Canada did not become involved in Iraq 2.0 family fued. Bush versus Saddam.
@kesart83784 ай бұрын
"Mistakes were made," said an entrant in the Understatement Of The Year competition.
@TheoverseasPakistani-sz1bb4 ай бұрын
Yeah 😂. What a bunch of lies they speak even now. They all.knew it was an illegal war back then.
@YA-hm5zy4 ай бұрын
No mistakes all calculated and planned. With the complicity of the media.
@rob144 ай бұрын
Yet they continue with their stupidity with the anti trump propaganda and ignoring reality.
@Cjohn313 ай бұрын
Mistake? Sure. And Biden is just bad at his job
@colinstewart14323 ай бұрын
Presumably mistakes by someone. The use of the passive tense is particularly annoying.
@benjaminrich93964 ай бұрын
It is only due to the quality of these two guests that I could stomach an hour and a quarter of a conversation in which Alastair Cambell was present.
@honeyflower77543 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree; I cannot stomach ‘Squealer’ from Animal Farm. No wonder he is racked with guilt and in therapy.
@crippsuniverse4 ай бұрын
I think this is my favourite KZfaq video. As a Secondary School pupil, I really liked Eliza Manningham-Buller and don't care about her background. She cut through crap like a hot knife.
@EdwardLindon2 ай бұрын
We tend to use the hot knife for butter...
@ObePawnKenobiАй бұрын
Her background?
@Barnabydemossienaux26 күн бұрын
@@ObePawnKenobiaristocrat.
@mandyshanks23274 ай бұрын
I wish Alistair would admit that he was indirectly involved in the death of Dr Kelly. He has no sense of guilt.
@tommyi66674 ай бұрын
I agree regarding Dr Kelly but in the kindest possible way, this is a podcast and even though we may pick up on items we never knew I would assume that Alastair and moreover were and are under the Secrets Act, we will all be dead and buried and even then our great, great grandchildren possibly will not know. Is it justified regarding Dr Kelly, No but as they say"we couldn't handle the truth ".
@DavidJohnson-yg8qm4 ай бұрын
They think we have forgotten this so called suicide.
@Gunni19723 ай бұрын
I wished Alistair would stop contradicting himself.1) "No. Regime change is not our aproach" Seriously? And not a minute later, he comes up with Which countries could be "added to the list" in which we did. 2) He sees Trump as a threat to NATO (When NATO is the USA's threat to everybody else) and a threat that Article 5 loses it's meaning. Well, how convenient is that? NOW, when Ukraine is losing, and actually NO one wants to support them. Same with Israel, who is slaughtering civillians, even foreign aid workers. USA is FULLY supporting it. And all because of a Pipeline from Gaza to Italy. because a certain Syrian "Dictator" did not want one built through his country. Also, Saddam had used his Chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war. They have an expiring date. So pretty much every "specialist" who knew they were used, also knew, there wouldn't be any anymore. Saddam was forced into that war by the USA, just like Zelensky. As a revenge for the revolution against their Shah. Alistair should at least tell half of the story, If he wants to "regain trust". He looks really bad. And to ethics and Morals i say: Regime change is often bloody. WHO is held accountable for such "Operations"? as it often contains MURDER, RAPE, INTIMIDATION and THEFT. And i am not even touching How the City of London, The IMF, and the ECB force nations into Debt traps,by trade agreements, which eventually leads to "certified Nutjobs" like Milei, in Argentina. Colonial Force Projection. THAT seems to have been YOUR JOB. Well hidden from Public, Alistair.
@colinstewart14323 ай бұрын
Many believe he leaked the name...🤔
@LeeGee3 ай бұрын
So no proof?
@katejones21724 ай бұрын
I don't know how Campbell has got the gall to sit there & discuss Iraq
@michellegilder15583 ай бұрын
They keep diverting when it gets too close to him …..as he squirms in his seat
@Amarjeet19704 ай бұрын
EMB came across as knowledgeable and formidable. Glad that she was forthright in calling out the hoax that was Iraq & I noticed Alistair keeping mum at that point.
@PauloAdriano-zo2ng4 ай бұрын
Any chance average Iraqi citizens could sue the British & American governments for reparations? 🤔
@parkgate-ub1ey4 ай бұрын
@PauloAdriano-zo2ng and where would that money come from? Tax payers ? Then no thanks we pay far too much
@user-wd6ni4xu4n4 ай бұрын
These people I don’t know about the lady but laughing after being part of and causing the deaths of over 2 million civilians and I forget how many children died of starvation. The British and western media forgot to tell us. Is disgraceful. If America and British acted honestly with other countries instead of stealing their natural resource there would not be a need for spy’s. It’s the bullying that other countries can’t accept.
@suhailski4 ай бұрын
Get the two spies their own podcast: rest is espionage?
@robc88924 ай бұрын
Or the the rest is classified 🤣
@suhailski4 ай бұрын
@@robc8892 hahah, your title is way better than mine.
@DCMamvcivmEvony4 ай бұрын
Would be awesome. A podcast along similar lines that you may enjoy is called "the hacker and the fed". A podcast where an ex black hat hacker and the FBI agent that dealt with his case and prosecuted him discuss all things hacking, cybersecurity, scams etc. Its pretty good.
@Thewestisthevirus4 ай бұрын
Yes!
@SpiritOfMontgomery4 ай бұрын
@@robc8892the rest is [redacted]
@delharry43924 ай бұрын
Mistakes, millions died a mistake That's why we are hated Mistakes were made Unbelievable
@keesverhagen92273 ай бұрын
No mistakes. The same as what They did in Iran and Ukraine. The US and the UK combined equels Evil.
@samanthagarbettcharles42053 ай бұрын
They make ya sick ,a mistake ! 😢
@naijaman66393 ай бұрын
When you make this point, thèy call you names and try to smear you. Terrible hypocrites. Shameless KZfaq, I await your acts of deleting.
@luchseterna3 ай бұрын
English are so incredibly self loathing. You should look clearly what other countries have done. Past is in the past. For me as a foreigner Great Britain was a great empire and now a great land suffering from self destroying politics.
@LeeGee3 ай бұрын
If we were hated we'd not have problematic immigration, legal or otherwise
@Du5ty9994 ай бұрын
Loved the contrast between Eliza and John - one very clearly a straight-talking career Intelligence Officer and the other a very skilful diplomat.
@richardfraser15624 ай бұрын
Thanks all. Such a pleasure to listen to thoughtful people taking like adults.
@reginaldamoah86084 ай бұрын
I think the child who brought up Lumumba was spot on how confident are we that we've been on the right side of history. Also getting a job via a tap on the shoulder at dinner party wow!
@nomsashezi97754 ай бұрын
That tap on the shoulder really made me pause…either WOW or she is having a laugh at us
@casteretpollux4 ай бұрын
Britain is a class society.
@kingeddiam25434 ай бұрын
That was a long time ago, though im sure it still probably happens to some extent
@vertigohi1142 ай бұрын
You can tell she’s enormously competent, mature, and likely ruthless. Exactly the type of dedicated person you’d want at the head of a service like MI6.
@harrygreenaway4 ай бұрын
"Are you writing the Labour Manifesto Alistair?" 😂 Eliza is superb.
@jodywho66964 ай бұрын
That is 1 reason for putting Bush jr. and Cheney in prison. It absolutely had nothing to do with 9/11
@Stillmorning4 ай бұрын
Maybe Campbell can do a stint with them
@dougieranger3 ай бұрын
And Tony Blair.
@rogerroger99273 ай бұрын
Sorry those are liars. USA and UK knew that Iraq had nothing to do with9/11 and Iraq had no WMD. They invaded Iraq for 2 raison; 1 for the oil and 2 to destroy military power ( remember that USA and UK armed Iraq against Iran).
@pauldeanda71003 ай бұрын
That will be the day!
@gerriperreault690523 күн бұрын
Harpers covered that but Obama decided not to.
@SamMerchant-vn4or4 ай бұрын
Alistair sitting innocently like he never advocated for the war, never rounded up the troops
@benwilson61454 ай бұрын
He was not a member of hr Government, he was an advisor,
@dilonkumar49604 ай бұрын
@@benwilson6145oh please his hands are drenched in blood like yours ,let’s see how you would react if children are killed
@benwilson61454 ай бұрын
@@dilonkumar4960 Remove your head from your bottom and pretend to have a brain!
@heycidskyja46684 ай бұрын
@@benwilson6145 That makes his actions worse rather than excuse him.
@ftumschk4 ай бұрын
Leaving the "advocacy" aside, he certainly never rounded up any troops.
@Pincer884 ай бұрын
Been listening with ever increasing amounts of respect. So good to listen to people who'd normally never seek the limelight.
@ianjames30784 ай бұрын
Rory backtracking rapidly after being called out for exaggerating was a gem.
@regarded9702Ай бұрын
Made me grin every time.
@andyainsworth98044 ай бұрын
This podcast should be mandatory for secondary school students. Its so refreshing to hear intelligent people having a well thought out conversation. Great episode :)
@user-lh8lk5wk5g4 ай бұрын
As a year 10 student, I agree
@PauloAdriano-zo2ng4 ай бұрын
@@user-lh8lk5wk5g 😉
@fghezelbash87314 ай бұрын
"intelligent people"?!!!!!
@Thewestisthevirus4 ай бұрын
They also need to know the history of what happened
@yasmeensaleem90744 ай бұрын
Wow. I loved this! We need more openness and transparent honesty! In particular Eliza, respected her bluntness and honesty.
@janwoldens16964 ай бұрын
😂the "nukes" threat of Iraq was Sadam's petroleum export in currencies other than the USD
@sulevisydanmaa99813 ай бұрын
As w Khad ...
@ramseyr28523 ай бұрын
Definitely it was one.
@hurrichad8871Ай бұрын
No, it was simply the threat to Israel
@austerymn2 ай бұрын
This was one of THE BEST podcasts I’ve ever seen. Incredibly informative
@mattblack67364 ай бұрын
The way Eliza teleported out of the studio was most impressive.
@billder26554 ай бұрын
like yoda in episode 6😂
@HighLordBlazeRebornАй бұрын
"aight imma head out ✌🏻"
@Yossarian_Lives734 ай бұрын
She didn’t fall “into” MI5 by charnce! You went to the “right” school, had the “right” family, “right” connections. You’re the establishment protecting the establishment. Someone taps me in the shoulder at a “dinner party” it’s to tell me there’s no beer left in the fridge.
@chevalierdupapillon4 ай бұрын
Exactly. She is the daughter of a former Lord Chancellor, Viscount Dilhorne, and of his wife who was an earl's daughter. All of her eight great-grand-parents were from titled families (a duke's daughter, an earl, two earl's daughters, a baron from the younger line of a ducal family, a baron's grand-daughter, a baronet and a baronet's younger son). She then went first to Benenden School, an independent boarding school placed in a country house, and after that studied English at Oxford. All these things taken together (plus of course a million close family or friendly relationships with people in influential positions) would have made her someone whom the recruiting person could immediately have recognised as 'one of us'.
@maccamcfcflc4 ай бұрын
Spot on man
@frankmahoney12684 ай бұрын
@@chevalierdupapillon one of us,umm,,,.the key for entry,,,.
@jimmy62833 ай бұрын
@@chevalierdupapillonyes they all stay together, familys name is everything
@jameslong99213 ай бұрын
@@chevalierdupapillonWell said Mr Butterfly.
@alexanderjacobs19454 ай бұрын
It’s scary that they’re sitting there constantly avoiding the fact that ALISTAIR CAMPELL was instrumental in confusing and supporting the event that led to Iraq. Be sure to remember that all the analysis of this horrible conflict (on HIS podcast) will only seek to exonerate himself
@Lattakeoff3 ай бұрын
You don’t think they may have supported his view at the time or been complicit in the whole sorry saga ...?
@chrispalmer78934 ай бұрын
Slightly confused why the quote "Iraq had nothing to with 9/11" is the thumbnail. Isn't that a bit like quoting someone as saying that on a sunny day the sky is blue? Are there really still (sane) people who are unclear about that?
@Joe-og6br4 ай бұрын
In America it was really pushed on the public that they were linked. In the UK it was WMD.
@ferozabismilla6373 ай бұрын
@@Joe-og6brand I am sure that only in America, do some people still think that, that is still the case
@LeeGee3 ай бұрын
It's the source of the quote that is significant. Tsk....
@chrispalmer78933 ай бұрын
@@LeeGee Doesn't matter who said it if all that was said is a banal truism. It might be interesting if the person saying it was contradicting their previous position (it would be extremely newsworthy if Dick Cheney or George W Bush was saying it - well, Cheney, anyway, Bush probably has admitted it at some point). But the ex-head of MI5 saying now what they were saying then and what has been accepted for decades is unremarkable. At the risk of talking myself out of this, maybe it's remarkable that she felt she had to say it? It suggests she thinks there is a signfiicant number of people who still believe Saddam was behind 9/11. Beyond the reality that there are always lunatics and idiots I'm not convinced those people exist, but maybe she thinks they do?
@chrispalmer78933 ай бұрын
@@danjones4551 I think it's going far too far to call the attack on the towers a distraction. From the attacker's perspective it has obvious merit in and of itself; it was certainly more effective at generating terror and provoking a response. Not sure 9/11 would have quite the stature it has today if it was just the assault on the Pentagon. Would still be shocking and memorable, but the Pentagon attack doesn't have the same impact as the TV footage of the planes hitting and towers and the towers falling (not to mention the significantly reduced death toll; if memory serves the part of the Pentagon that was hit had fewer people in it that it would usually have had at that time, but even fully populated it wouldn't have been close to the numbers who died in New York).
@tonyaustin44724 ай бұрын
Interesting discussion. I keep banging on about Gaza/Israel and hoping someone, other than me, recognises that this crisis isn’t just about the Hamas atrocity; it is a continuation of events that started in the year I was born, 1948 and the Nakba. You displace a population that’s been there for hundreds of years, you steal their land, settle it with your own people; you oppress the refugees, you let Lebanese militias murder men, women and children in refugee camps, you even divert the water supplies away from their remaining land, you build walls round the small areas you’ve allowed them to retain, you let your settlers run riot, kill their animals, burn their orchards; the list goes on and on; and then, when the inevitable happens and they revolt, you murder men, women, children, foreign aid workers, medical staff; you even kill your own hostages who are trying to tell you that they are Israelis: this cycle of theft, atrocities, repression has to stop or be stopped. And if the Israeli State won’t act, won’t change; then the West has to. There are enough on both sides who recognise that the future has to be a viable Palestinian State and a viable Israeli State at peace with each other. Whether you are a Palestinian or an Israeli; that is the only humanitarian chance your children and grandchildren can have of living a decent secure life. If this isn’t sorted, and sorted soon, there will a massive war eventually in the Middle East with death and destruction on a scale far in excess of today. Now some folk will react to this by classifying me as anti-semitic. I have close friends on both sides: I grew up with friends who’s mothers and fathers survived the Concentration camps in Germany and Poland….so don’t jump to that antisemitic assumption please! It’s being used too often as a political excuse in my opinion. I am an old man and it grieves me to my soul to witness what I see happening day after day in Gaza, the West Bank and in Israel and to know just by bitter experience that it will happen again if wiser heads do not prevail…and if necessay do not enforce.
@khar12d84 ай бұрын
1948? The Romans burning down the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD was when it started.
@Mounhas4 ай бұрын
I was also born in 1948 and only wish I had your clarity in expressing in what I think. For me, what has happened in Palestine is comparable to what happened to the native peoples of Australia, Canada & the USA.
@flangekiwi4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your eloquence and humanity ❤💔❤ For all our children and grandchildren, we must do better than this #OnePlanet 🌎
@ashhowardgolf38654 ай бұрын
And how about the Kurds?? Always conveniently forgotten
@catinthehat9064 ай бұрын
The problem is a significant proportion of the Palestinian population don't want "a viable Palestinian State and a viable Israeli State at peace with each other". No surprise that the one election held in Gaza in the last 20 years elected a party whose stated intention was the destruction of Israel.
@DailyDamage4 ай бұрын
What I truly enjoy about this channel - parroting other comments posted here - is the quality of both guests and the “grown up” conversations being held. We’re not all deaf and dumb to the realities of real politics. Thanks for treating us like adults. 😊
@kenrunciman87064 ай бұрын
Campbell was complicit in the great deception. His levels of self-deception are beyond measurement.
@Dcc-yk2lo4 ай бұрын
I'm sure you have some evidence? Feel free to post it. Why was he cleared of wrongdoing in all of the Inquiries about the Iraq war?
@craigpruess55654 ай бұрын
@@Dcc-yk2lo- getting the gov’t to investigate itself never works, despite all the smug appearances of an “independent investigation”… 🤣🤣🤣
@ObePawnKenobiАй бұрын
Again...nope
@abdihussein48723 ай бұрын
I appreciate the part where she addresses Islamophobia and acknowledges that some of their assets are Muslims who are willing to sacrifice their lives in order to protect those who incite hate speech towards them.
@wiggles8774 ай бұрын
Talking about difficult and interesting subjects. No screeching, no sermonizing. Just four grownups in a room talking, what a show! Maybe it will catch on...
@user-kl6os3gd5s4 ай бұрын
Corny
@catesby47884 ай бұрын
How does Mr Campbell sit in on this discussion with a straight face. Wasn't he the person who helped Blair lie his way into the Iraq war, despite massive opposition from other European countries and the British electorate. Did Campbell think that over 1 million of us on the streets of London were protesting about the weather?
@darrendrew12814 ай бұрын
One of the best videos I’ve watched in a long time, glued to the video from beginning to end. Well done chaps
@philipwhiuk4 ай бұрын
Amongst the best single podcast episode I've ever listened too. Thanks!
@FONASDeadlock4 ай бұрын
Given the litany of stupidity we hear from members of the current government, it's reassuring to hear the voices of informed experts.
@ianjames30784 ай бұрын
And our political leaders would rubbish our public servants given a risk to their egos.
@EppingBlogger4 ай бұрын
What a shame, then, that the security services allowed themselves to become handmaidens to the Blair lies to Parliament about a causus beli in Iraq.
@Burdetski4 ай бұрын
Dr Kelly RIP
@Ryan4LabourАй бұрын
MPs personal conduct is often utter toilet gutter.
@mandyshanks23274 ай бұрын
Campbell was wrong. I wish he would admit it.
@andrewharrison77674 ай бұрын
I wish he'd be as vehement in his confession as he is whenever brexit gets raised
@casteretpollux4 ай бұрын
I wish he was in jail.
@Gazpacho84 ай бұрын
@@andrewharrison7767 I wonder if he regrets helping sink labour in 2019 considering how much he hates Johnston, oh dear if only there were an alternative!
@ianbartlett73152 ай бұрын
I don’t think anyone who wasn’t there and wasn’t party to the discussions can possibly know. My question, as always to those who claim that Blair and Campbell were clearly wrong, is this: what would have been the outcome had we not joined America? They were going anyway, so what would have been better? Or would it have been worse?
@Gazpacho82 ай бұрын
@@ianbartlett7315 I think that if you exclude the Iraq war, and its fall out the Blair government would be remembered very differently and Blair himself would certainly have a much more positive legacy with the public all other things being equal.
@VinceLammas2 күн бұрын
Two excellent interiewees who really get to the heart of challenges facing intelligence and security services. Highlights of the interview (for me) are: 1) the honesty that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 and the honesty with how intelligence was handled badly and used in a way that was inappropriate. 2) the need for ethical considerations and legal frameworks to guide and enable professional intelligence services. 3) the fact that opponents who are forced to use terrorism and other asymmetric warfare often attempt to trigger disproportionate military overreactions - it's what they hope and rely on 4) the role of intelligence in WWII and in handling Soviet misconceptions over the intentions of the West in 1983. 5) the interface of intelligence and political instincts and decisions. I would enjoy listening to these individuals talking about the nuances and judgements in modern challenges for Western democracies facing current and emerging threats from Russia, China, North Korea, the Middle East. A return and continuation please.
@minton36473 ай бұрын
I’d just like to say this was one of the most interesting and informative podcasts I’ve ever listened to. Truly excellent stuff, thank you. I have a huge amount of respect for the people who work in military intelligence and devote their lives to the protection of our nation’s values.
@crowbar95664 ай бұрын
The lack of shame from the 2 presenters is absolutely breathtaking. One a political propagandist who promoted the illegal invasion and the other one got to live out his victorian fantasy of being a British colonial governor as part of the illegal occupation.
@lw1zfog3 ай бұрын
hilarious isn’t it
@wanderlustchap4 ай бұрын
As Eliza insinuated the Iraq Dossier was Campbell’s (bullying) work…
@ObePawnKenobiАй бұрын
She didint
@letssee521314 күн бұрын
@ObePawnKenobi she said Campbell was very much behind the dossier which was later found to be inaccurate. CIA also concluded 9/11 was nothing to do with Iraq
@Du5ty9994 ай бұрын
Easily the best Leading episode so far. Astonishingly frank and open - detail included I didn't think would be okay to mention. Shame there isn't a part 2.
@user-mr8zr9kk4t4 ай бұрын
Blair didn’t care that Iraq didn’t have WMDs, he just wanted to become rich and famous.
@howwwwwyyyyy4 ай бұрын
He was already rich and famous, there's much more to it than that, one day it'll be made clear
@captain_nero4 ай бұрын
@@howwwwwyyyyy I heard he is due to take on WEF looool
@Gunni19723 ай бұрын
@@howwwwwyyyyy It is clear: You can hear what he admires with the chinese: Collecting power, and Project power. He should work in an S/M studio.
@colinstewart14323 ай бұрын
The truth proved inconvenient to his political ambition. So one million dead Iraqis later, the undead ghoul called Tony Blair still roams the earth. He sits atop a throne of skulls.
@vinozarazzi56333 ай бұрын
Blair is a member of Bilderberg
@hisdadjames48764 ай бұрын
Been a long time since Ive been proud to be British, so listening to these dedicated, clever and decent people - products of UK education, society and values - working at the core of UK public institutions -is a real revelation and morale-booster. Thanks. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@TheSurrealWolf4 ай бұрын
Nicer listening to these people on st George's day rather than watching thus hugs in plastic armour outside Westminster
@davidLPST4 ай бұрын
Clearly you exclude Campbell from that statement
@TheSurrealWolf4 ай бұрын
@@davidLPST Talking about the guests noob
@davidLPST4 ай бұрын
@@TheSurrealWolf great, then I am with you because Campbell was up to his neck in that mess. BTW, not my first rodeo commenting on this podcast. Like many on here o can’t forgive him his role in that war.
@TheSurrealWolf4 ай бұрын
@@davidLPST I don't think I can forgive Starmers cowardice on Gaza either
@truthseeker85814 ай бұрын
Two brilliant guests with their feet firmly on the ground! I thought we had lost such sensible folk!
@michaelladouceur88944 ай бұрын
Superb. Insightful. Engaging. Thank you all. BTW, I’d never heard of Eliza before - a real gem of a human being. I wish her more influence in the future.
@gwj312a20 сағат бұрын
Outstanding podcast. Having such intelligent public servants talk about their roles, etc is so refreshing
@suhailski4 ай бұрын
I like my spies being as thoughtful as these two. They have served their country well. Brava and bravo!
@realjprc4 ай бұрын
Yeah all three spies in this episode were great
@Kavala764 ай бұрын
51:54 "...they, by and large, are exceptions" 🤣 Sawer appeared to me to be sanitising of intelligence work, and this segment just confirmed it. Manningham-Buller seemed more genuine.
@casteretpollux4 ай бұрын
As the CIA guy said not so long ago " they taught us to lie and cheat". Secret services are by definition obliged to lie constantly.
@psy-op4 ай бұрын
Regime change because of US national security issues ? No, US corporate interests. Put things back together in Iraq after kulling 1 million people. Brushes over Libya that had no international debt, free hospitals, free University, free lots of things, Now Libya is in turmoil and in debt to American banks. These people digust me , they've got serious superiority issues.
@Ryan4LabourАй бұрын
Don't forget the capitulation in Afghanistan. You may be very interested to know precisely how many servicemen were lost in the year before the announcement to withdraw: Not even a handful.
@HighLordBlazeRebornАй бұрын
In the US, national security IS corporate interests. We've been sold a system, in capitalism, where we've been told absolutely no controls/checks are necessary or moral. That is doubly true in the country that is the largest exporter of that ideology - the US. What we've seen since the Cold War is the end product of that ideology.
@antonomaseapophasis51424 ай бұрын
21:04 “Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11” I remember walking through London in protest, along with hundreds of thousands of people who explained this with specific documentation and fact-based reasoning.
@antonomaseapophasis51424 ай бұрын
I should mention that I am a US citizen born in Brooklyn, resident in NYC on 9/11, who had seen the places attacked in Dar es Salaam, knew a little about the Levant, visited the trials in Lower Manhattan, and that I would run into antipathy in the US when I would point out that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
@TheSackblabbath4 ай бұрын
Eliza is excellent. Outstanding guests. Thanks, guys.
@bethanyschool4 ай бұрын
Its almost as if with this podcast they want us to believe MI5/MI6/Government are trustworthy ......so we trust them in future events. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@michellegilder15583 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@mspenelope68744 ай бұрын
I thought we already knew this. Such individuals interviewed are going straight to Hell, let’s not mistake ourselves thinking they performed dignified work or served the public honorably. Such dour, sour, haughty arrogance.
@livingadventures56234 ай бұрын
I don´t think for one moment ex members of the British Secret Services could be either open or honest. Managed truths and lies at best. Alistair and Rory gave a very polished presentation as usual.
@ianbanks30164 ай бұрын
Boy, you've got to admire Campbell's front. sitting there smiling and laughing about the panic, misery and chaos caused by the aftermath of the invasion of Iraq. Utterly shameless.
@TheoverseasPakistani-sz1bb4 ай бұрын
Shameless!!!! Shameless!!! So many lives lost and he was in part responsible for making it happen.
@KevenHutchinson-gt1nnАй бұрын
He also did some bad things as well.
@markputnam63714 ай бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. Experience, integrity and intelligence on full display around the table. Could have listened to these wise folk for hours. Thanks to Rory & Alistair for this brilliant series.
@colingoldthorpe5918Ай бұрын
The Iraq war was a total illegal war. How the UK was dragged into this was ridiculous. 179 British servicemen died in this conflict. And what for... to keep happy the American government at the time, some spoiled rich kid with barely any political experience. I was in Gulf War 1 with the British Army, and we all said we would be back in the desert very soon. There would be no way that the Americans were going to let Saddam stay in power. Also if Saudi or Kuwait had no oil, no one would have cared about the invasion of Kuwait. And look at where it all got us to today..
@PJM2734 ай бұрын
Rory trying to pretend he isn't/wasn't 6 is quite funny ... :)
@jonathonjubb66264 ай бұрын
That answers a nagging question. It's not just me...
@robc88924 ай бұрын
If you read his book about walking across Afghanistan it is clear from.how he describes things he has had some sort of training by someone.....
@senorpillarblock30504 ай бұрын
@markdaly1648 I'll be honest, I'm deeply confused by both of your comments. Are you Irish or American? It'll help understand your comment
@realjprc4 ай бұрын
I always thought Rory was Mi6, why else would he have walked across Afghanistan if not for intelligence gathering? Just seemed so obvious to me that it didn’t need to be said. Also his connections worldwide.. it’s just so obvious
@markdaly16484 ай бұрын
@@senorpillarblock3050I'm Irish
@josephturner75694 ай бұрын
I was on a run ashore in Brixham from Courageous in 75. We were a sneaky boat. A young chap from MI5 joined us. Stood out like a sore thumb. (His mission was to find out how much of a security risk we were when drunk. Which is why he stood many rounds. Which was nice).
@jz76924 ай бұрын
Listening now I find it ludicrous that there was not sufficient oversight to challenge the governments view, in order to avoid an occasion where a weapon expert felt they had to make a nuanced remark on the validity of evidence in consideration to their own assessment of Iraq's WMD capability. (The claims appeared to be quietly withdrawn as fast they were made, as if the projection in parliament was indeed for effect). The subsequent assault on public servants & institutions who basically questioned the logic were basically told 'it not in the national interest'. It therefore begged the question what was? The weakening of BBCs impartiality, to establish 'a yes men culture' arguably dismissed scrutiny to the point, the conditioning to be patronising for the listener. Tony Blair with his augments, did not make sense at the time! How to avoid conflict is supposed to be the key!
@oliverbergfeld16064 ай бұрын
Interesting to listen to these first hand insights and summaries of our more recent history. Basically they agree that much was fixed in the context of Iraq. One question of many that remain is, if the UK will ever find the backbone to go against US intentions. Looking at that episode it seems quite obvious, that the intelligence services were more a tool to rectify than to investigate thoroughly. To remain measured the latter seems a more sane approach as we in Europe are more often than not suffering the consequences of actions.
@RobBCactive4 ай бұрын
Like passing on the Vietnam war and protesting against the US invasion of Grenada?
@oliverbergfeld16064 ай бұрын
@@RobBCactive was the baton really passed on though or was it eagerly grasped by the US..? Not sure and honestly do not really care all that much. As for Grenada, the Monroe Doctrine did that for you
@casteretpollux4 ай бұрын
US strategy since the end of the USSR has been " Disaggregation of Europe". The negative outcomes of US actions on Europe / the UK, can't be assumed to be accidental. Europe, severed from Russian gas and oil, is now a set of vassal states to the US. Gaza as well as the Ukraine war is being wrecked in part in the struggle fro control of oil. .
@wattyler60754 ай бұрын
Excellent interview with incredibly interesting guests.
@steveh50057 күн бұрын
Very enjoyable. I liked the way you discussed the guests after the pod cast ended
@twometerpeter4 ай бұрын
This was a fantastic joint interview. My partner and I listened to it in silence during a recent car journey. It was bliss 😂 please do a part two!
@huwjones18174 ай бұрын
Rare glimpse into our intelligence system....great episode.
@abdulmunim49374 ай бұрын
ALIESTER CAMPBELL WAS THE GUY BEHIND THE DODGY DOSSIER LÒLÓL
@Mike2021617 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed listening to both, fascinating discussion, so much good sense, speaking from 40-50 years of public service experience.
@natures_child4 ай бұрын
It's interviews like this that make this podcast so special. I am a simple middle aged woman who takes an interest in politics but is no politico, yet I find these interviews must listens. Thank you for educating me.
@laetitiavisagie-gg6kk4 ай бұрын
I like the little boy who asked about Patrice Lumumba (I am from South Africa) ❤
@NoughtsAndCrossess4 ай бұрын
Wonderful conversation! Fantastic hosting of fantastically interesting guests!
@user-mr4qv1ro3x27 күн бұрын
Without a doubt the most interesting, intriguing and informative video I've ever watched on KZfaq. Fascinating individuals. Superb episode.
@ferociousfrankie4 ай бұрын
Amazing episode again. The quality of this podcast is unmatched. Super insightful in a short amount of time. The candidness of these individuals compared to their U.S. counterparts is very much appreciated.
@mikelaycock14694 ай бұрын
Disappointed to hear the myopic views of these 2 grandees on the genocide in Gaza. As if it all started on October 7th. Interesting as the conversation was, clearly all 4 are establishment figures and very comfortable in conversation with each other, in part for that reason.
@ppetal14 ай бұрын
Zionism. '1984'.
@sergeshmash21713 ай бұрын
@@ppetal1Genocide? In 1950 there were 910 000 muslims west of the Jordan River...now there are 3 million in West Bank, 2 million in Gaza and 1.5 million in Israel. Some genocide. Conversely there were several hundred thousand Jews in Iran - now none, over 150 000 Jews in Syria - now none almost 1/2 million in Morrocco, Algeria and Tunisia - now about 6000. Where's the genocide. Hamas' opening statement in their manifesto calls for the eradication of, not Israel, but every Jew in the world. Wake up!
@eleanorb59764 ай бұрын
Love the old way of recruitment… when a university professor, a friend approaches you 👌🏻
@j.johnson35202 ай бұрын
Things certainly have come a long way, and this interview clearly indicates it's been an enormous success. Engaging and insightful, and who knows, perhaps it even recruited a few a long the way. Great interview.
@Evemeister124 ай бұрын
So iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? Someone should've told alistair that back in 2003.
@andrewharrison77674 ай бұрын
you mean, maybe 1.3 million people marching had a point?
@KevenHutchinson-gt1nnАй бұрын
The British postion wasn't that. It's that he had WMD. Which it turned out not to be.
@albiepalbie50404 ай бұрын
Why not just have the two hosts speaking honestly about their roles ?
@plankton5029 күн бұрын
Hearing the way Alistair and Rory talk about someone's dress sense and casually connecting it to their socioeconomic status is incredibly insightful.
@schiz0phren1c3 ай бұрын
Eliza's story sounds like "the Laundry files"
@jackganley17874 ай бұрын
Amazing content! Keep it up lads
@jimb90634 ай бұрын
Fabulous interesting guests, thank you.
@annthecatlady44304 ай бұрын
This is one of the best conversations we have had. And I've got the pleasure of listening to.
@jenniferholden93974 ай бұрын
Who murdered Dr David Kelly?
@Shaggy-83924 ай бұрын
They should be asking the host why he created the dossier to influence the papers.
@DJWESG14 ай бұрын
It was from America, they lifted it from a students essay apparently and everything else hung on that. The fact our own ppl are so easily led and misled shows that none can be trusted. Even if they mean well. They put us all at risk.
@TheSirlefty4 ай бұрын
what a cool boss this woman is!
@martinheath59473 ай бұрын
Having read Spycatcher, the ideal character for someone to become head of our security agencies would be someone nobody could tell was a double agent.
@cornuperold41673 ай бұрын
Everyone’s always telling us how Russia’s the biggest threat to Europe but never explains why. Also, if you or I made a “mistake” which resulted in the death of someone we’d be in the dock in the blink of an eye. Why has not a single politician ever been prosecuted for the millions of deaths that resulted from the war in Iraq, which AT BEST was a mistake?
@AmerBoyo4 ай бұрын
I still think there’s little doubt what Iraq was really about, and it is access to oil. A total disgrace.
@afetbinttuzani4 ай бұрын
Wonderful interview, as always, both in terms of the questions and the quality of the guests and their responses. I did find it amusing that John Sawers, when listing "America´s closest allies", failed to mention the US´s largest trading partner: Canada. 🙂