Retaining Gifted Students is a Terrible Idea!

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📘If you’ve thought about holding back your gifted child, think again. Grade retention is a bad idea, and it’s even worse for gifted kids. Find out why retention and redshirting are bad for bright kids.
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@eNVy_SiNz Жыл бұрын

When I was in the 8th grade I had two peers that should've been in 9th but they were held back on purpose by the parents for sports reasons despite them being straight 'A' students. I was confused because at the time I never heard of anything like that; I always associated grade retention with academic struggles but this wasn't the case. As an athlete myself always competing on the varsity team, I immediately saw the benefits of them repeating a grade to allow their bodies to mature and it gave them an advantage on the basketball court and baseball field. Academically, there was no drawback, the focus in the classroom was still there and they remained challenged with AP courses. One of the two students ended up getting a D1 scholarship. The other student is still my friend to this day and he's doing great for himself. I have another friend who redshirting his son so that he started kindergarten at 6 years old (for sports reasons). He's in 8th grade now and it's going really well so far. I know these testimonials go against the grain of this video but I think its important for those out there to hear both sides.

@quotidian5077 3 жыл бұрын

I was held back in Kindergarten, and it did not help my confidence one bit. I was the oldest and in the same grade as my younger brother. I wouldn't recommend it even for a case like mine.

@LisaVanGemert Жыл бұрын

Yep. That's what the research shows.

@russiantroubleyakutsk1612 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed watching your video. Retention is sabotaging your child, gifted or not. Don’t forget if your child later goes to college there is only a 60% chance they will graduate in 4 years turning the 1 year retention into possibility a 2 year one. Parents should ask themselves how they themselves would feel about being retained one year from graduating high school/college, moving out, getting a professional job, buying a house, etc.

@SunflowerFlowerEmpire 11 ай бұрын

Amen ! Please don't sabotage our young adults especially.

@MissSdnguyen Жыл бұрын

Hi Lisa, Thank you for the very informative video. My 5 year old son was recently coded as gifted. Prior to knowing this and learning about his giftedness, I had no knowledge about delayed start/red shirting and what it could mean and was convinced by friends to delay him ( he just started kindergarten today!). We are of Asian descent, small people, and my friend said many people delay their kid's entry into school to give them that size advantage and that could help with their confidence. He has always been a clumsy boy (now I know due to his asynchrony) so I thought it was a good idea. He will not be going to a special school for gifted children until he is in grade one but I am very worried now that I could have caused issues for his development. What should I do at this point to correct what i unknowlingly have done? Excel him? Thank you again for your very informative videos, I hope to hear back. Worried mom, Susan

@E.K.2003 3 ай бұрын

My mother decided to hold me back in kindergarten-her decision, not the school's. I always felt stigmatized. I learned never to tell people this-the invariable reaction was, "how the hell can you flunk kindergarten?". My I.Q. was tested in the 3rd grade and was in the upper %95 percentile. My teachers didn't seem to know what to do with me or where to place me as I was an underachiever. I struggled with math (dyscalculia)? and poor spelling. I was placed in the gifted kids program in the 6th grade. I nearly flunked out as the teacher seemed to resent myself and other kids placed in his class. Middle school saw me placed in basic math and basic English. I wrote a short story that got a lot of attention from the entire middle school so I got bumped up to the gifted program. I was in advanced English but bone head math through most of my high school career until our family moved out of state. It was a small school and the limited number of classed caused me to be placed in average English and floated along in a freshman math class. Long story short, I flunked college and never looked back. I may have ADD as I've struggled with holding jobs my entire working life. The irony is my father was an internationally successful engineer.

@SunflowerFlowerEmpire 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much. How do students and families find legal aid to dispute and appeal for the young adult who has been retained? Is there justice? It saddens me so much that I know a few young people are being retained. These young adults are also low income so this will have a greater negative effect in them in every possible way ! Please inform.

@LisaVanGemert 11 ай бұрын

Unless there was bias in the way it was done, that doesn't exist. Parents need to be better advocates and make sure that A) early intervention is done to prevent the need for a conversation about retention, and B) alternatives are discussed instead. Once it's done, it's done.

@teacherlikesbooks118 3 жыл бұрын

When I saw this topic in the title I was aghast. I can't imagine retaining a gifted student. I think there are multiple ethical issues not to mention the research that you outlined. I think the bigger question might be, why would a school system or parent even consider this? I think for school systems it may be lack of knowledge of the nature and needs of gifted learners. It's sad that their first reaction would be to retain. As far as late start to kindergarten, I have found that this is far more common. I have had many friends and family members ask for my opinion about their age 4/5 children. Like you mentioned, success in sports is often a factor, but I have had parents argue that they feel their child will be "more prepared" academically with an extra year before entry into school. This is despite the idea that "younger kids have a steeper learning path and catch up quickly." I hadn't considered the importance of this - but now let's take this idea and multiply it by the gifted factor. A student who is academically inclined to acquire knowledge at a great rate and at the years in which they have the potential to learn language and problem solving skills also at an increased rate. It's just a missed opportunity Thanks for spotlighting this topic.

@STJL Жыл бұрын

I’d be interest in your thoughts on a possibly gifted September birthday Kindergartener going into a district with an October cut off date. With this late cut off date he goes in as a 4 year old. In this situation would you still say put the child in Kindergarten at 4 since he makes this cut off date and he is already academically advanced compared to his peers? Would it need to be considered that in 3rd grade he will move to a different state (where he will eventually graduate) that has a July cut off date and will likely be much younger than those children.

@LisaVanGemert Жыл бұрын

When I was growing up, our cut off was December 1st, so everyone started at four who had birthdays before then. I started Kinder at 4, for example, with an October birthday. I don't really factor in that he will move later because I'm less worried about comparing to peers and more worried about boredom and discouragement in the beginning when attitudes about school are forming. :-)

@STJL Жыл бұрын

@@LisaVanGemert Thank you so much for your thoughts! We have really struggled as we have navigated through this new territory as parents. Many people have told us that he might struggle being so young in high school or young going off to college because of both brain and physical development particularly as a boy. Yet, after watching your video, I feel that what is in his best interest is to have him in Kindergarten now because of his high academic level. We are very fortunate that he was accepted into a GT magnet school.

@lynnettecapobianco2757 2 жыл бұрын

A private school redshirted me and I hated it in every language....it did more harm than good...it was especially true when I changed to public school as students younger than me were in a grade above me and performed the highest academically than students older than them......FYI do not redshirt!!!!

@amandaengelman5168 2 жыл бұрын

They made my gifted son repeat 8th grade for 2 classes. They wouldn't let him do summer school for more than one course. They made him retake classes he already passed. The worst part is that he tested at grade level or higher on the state tests. He's going to turn 18 in the first semester of 11th grade. I'm so nervous he's not going to want to spend another year and a half in school when he's a legal adult. He's gifted and has ADHD. He failed the classes because he didn't complete the work.

@LisaVanGemert 2 жыл бұрын

That's very troubling. Not completing work is a valid reason to fail a class, but the time to address that is much earlier. It's too bad you didn't have access to see his grades earlier in the year to intervene.

@lynnettecapobianco2757 2 жыл бұрын

If you are redshirting as a short cut to getting into Harvard, Princeton or Yale, you can forget about your chances of admission!!!