The SunSoft special level is cool.

Glad someone does 😊

Lol, yep that was pretty much right.

on the c64 they made a gfx layer out of multiplexed sprite, that is the level gfx, and the lemmings are drawn into a character sets. thats why the view is narrow you can have max 24 char wide gfx made out of 8 sprites.

@@kangarht Thanks, I feel educated :)

7 sprites :-) = 21 chars. The last one was used for the pointer and then that could not been multiplexed.

Thanks for explaining about the intro.

Yep, took forever. Hope it ranks a good few thousand views for the effort.

Thanks!

You're welcome. I was quite surprised at how well the Master System turned out.

@@RetroCore Some Spectrum lovers created a new unofficial conversion called Lemmings 128k that is pretty impressive too!

Sadly they are impossible to find where I live.

A late 80s british 8 bit computer retro compatible with Spectrum 48k

I have one. They are pretty expensive if you try and buy one on Ebay. Its CPU is a Z80B running at nearly twice the speed of the Z80 in the speccy. It has a 128 colour palette with 16 colours on screen. It's quite similar in many ways to an Atari St, certainly has better sound but with a worse processor. Sadly MGT really messed up with software at the start and had to create their own software house. The conversion of lemmings was done by Chris White who also did an excellent conversion of Prince of Persia. If the machine had come out around a year earlier like planned it could have done very well. Sadly they timed it perfectly along with a big recession in the UK and lack luster support. MGT went bankrupt and reformed as SAM co and ran for a few more years until it became obvious it wasn't going to be a big seller.

Oh, and you could play spectrum 48k games on it. Although if they had advanced copy write protection then you couldn't. 128k games were possible with a bit of modification to the games code.

Just looked it up- neat that it had midi in/out options!

I can report as I own a CDI and Lemmings that the version on the CDI is actually very good, it has CD-Audio Music and has sound effects but unfortunatly suffers from the CDI issue of only being able to play one sound at a time so if a new sound occurs it cuts off the previous one. It also has a very long animated intro, but then that's a staple on the CDI.

@@trailersic Yeah. I figured there was a good port beyond the emulation nightmare.

Skyrim is suck, I get bored very quickly if I install it Vanilla only fans mods which keep me interest to play but eventually I got bored pretty fast as the game to open world but stiff mechanic at least on Vanilla.

@@bhirawamaylana466 Skyrim is OK, just the story is worse than Oblivion.

The MD version isn't bad at all, just a little rough compared to other ports. It was the Sam Coupe and Master System ports that surprised me.

My, I suppose they did that to allow themselves to modify any pixel on screen which they would not have been able to do as smoothly when using tiles. An interesting if very constraining choice. I am pretty sure they could have managed something viable with background tiles.

Yes. Its a nice choice. There was a interview as the programmer has tried various methods and this one seens was the best. Its a interesting choice using "bitmap" that way using sprites. But that means you could have many more lemmings using software sprites, not limited to 8 (or 7 with the cursor) without flicker.

I think every Amiga owner had lemmings. It was the game they could be proud of.

Lol, the music is horrible for the most part. Can't say I enjoyed listening to it time and time again.

I appreciate that!

That's good to know.

Oh well. At least you can say you had an original copy at some point.

@@RetroCore God knows how long ago that was- the only old PC game back from those days I still have is my copy of Earthworm Jim!

I quite like what was done with the Amstrad version.

For sure the Mega Drive version is closer to the Amiga. It is a shame about the voice sample issues though.

Thanks. Yeah, the 2 player mode can be fun and quite hectic 👍

Are we counting unofficial ports?

Haha, I bet there is one somewhere.

And the toaster port!

Yeah, not many people know about the system.

No worries on many posts.

btw the original Amiga game could hold a 1600x160px wide screen (5 bitmapped screens), which consumed about 128kb ram alone. Mega Drive has only 64kb video ram for the tiles. Most levels in the original did actuelly not fully used it anyway and there is a lots of black backgrounds in this game as well (due nature of the game). So you could cut down without too much sacrifice really. Some ports might only uses 2 or 3 screens per level and this can still works well.

Ah, no worries. Do remember to drop in from time to time.

Haha, nice message.

Yeah it was a pretty late release for the lynx as I recall.

@@danmoney9932 sadly by the time it arrived the fate of the Lynx was well and truly sealed, Atari blew it 😭

Or Street Fighter II.

@@pokepress pfft if you not afraid to be sue by Capcom sure, the reason why Doom run everything exist coz Doom 1 already in shareware territory and even Bethesda cannot sue anyone for porting Doom 1, and I bet even Lemmings also in Shareware territory.

It's probably using a basic sound font.

Yep, it's surprising how good it is.

Any time! Glad you enjoyed the video.

Because people who care about that already know. Ie: Amiga fans.

@@RetroCore It is a feature. It's like you would mention VR, 3D, or EyeToy works. You also mention in several videos about one button Joystick controls. I like your comparisons. But this is a vital reason for the Amiga version to stand out also. Yes, I am an Amiga fan but I fully agree that OutRun for Amiga is bad ;)

Wish I knew that. It would have made life a little easier.

PC DOS port is unique in a way that it let you choose machine type. Adjusting the way game works. Least demanding mode has very choppy mouse and no palette switching mid-screen (software solution for amiga Copper). More demanding options give very responsive mouse cursor and display more than 16 colors on screen in 16 color VGA mode. This is so unusual for a PC game that Lemmings has broken colors in DOSBox. Amiga port uses copper to not only change palette but also change resolution. Upper part of the screen is 320x240 while lower with toolbar is 640x240. PC port is using 640x480 for menus and level preview in VGA mode, while EGA mode is using 640x350 with custom palette from 64 colors. Level preview also has palette switch mid-screen which probably makes Lemmings the only game that display more than 16 colors at once on EGA cards. Lemmings on PC are so bizarre that they will break many 3rd party software that is meant to run in the background. Great game to test compatibility of any PC.

Archie also has hardware sprite, mainly used for the mouse.

@@Leeki85 'Amiga port uses copper to not only change palette but also change resolution. Upper part of the screen is 320x240 while lower with toolbar is 640x240.' ?? No kidding, that's BS.

@@Archimedes75009 Wrong. Amiga is low res for the main game screen, and then the copper changes the screen resolution to hires for the select buttons at the bottom of the screen, anyone can check it out for themselves, no one needs to lie about it dude!

That's right.

Whats weird is i used to play lemmings the master system version at my grans house on the game gear via a master system converter... curious of differences Also how the hell did I even see the sprites on such a screen!

Shows just how much Sega of America knew. All of their games sucked too IMO.

@@RetroCore 😂

@@RetroCore If only Sega could have combined the strengths of East and West, the way Nintendo and Sony did. Has anyone else done more to defeat all the forces helping them to succeed?

Lol, yeah the music is pretty dire on most versions. I've git to say I was not enjoying it. Well, besides one or two tracks on the 3DO version we're acceptable.

Well, at least we can be proud that many modern devices use a Cpu that first saw life in the Arch.

On the video the Arch' doesn't look higher since that capture was at native resolution then upscailed to 1080p for the video. The Amiga footage was actually captured at 1080p so it wasn't upscailed. The end result is both versions looked very much the same.

The commercial market for the Atari 8-bit range was long gone by the time Lemmings hit, they did receive :The Brundles... a Lemmings clone, released in 1993, which knocked-off Lemmings artwork on the cover of its manual.

@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 that’s a good point… one I didn’t know when I wrote this comment

I'm afraid I've never played that one.

@@RetroCore There was a collection named Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings for the PSX that came with the original game and expansion pack on one disc. It was only released in the US and Europe.

As the CD32 is a late version, It's a shame that Psygnosis didn't make the effort to include even just the audio music present in many other CD based versions. The CD32 version is basically the CDTV version. But it remains a fantastic game of course and it's nice you could play it on your CD32 🤗

Yeah, it's a typical lazy port. 100% Amiga code.

It sure is.

Lol, I'm afraid not.

The Master System port was very impressive I though.

Well, they tried with 3D lemmings but that was awful.

the mobile version is the closest you are going to get to that. Despite the bullshit f2p mechanics, it's not that bad.

It's a shame I couldn't show the CDi version. I have a feeling it can't be emulated. I tried 4 different rips of the game in different formats but all has the exact same error.

@@RetroCore Yeah it is a pain to emulate the CD-I. I tried it before and after a lot of hassle I got it to work somewhat in MAME if I remember correctly. The game played ok, but I couldn't get cutscenes to play properly. I unfortunately cannot remember how I set up MAME and the BIOS to get it to work as far as I did. The reason I tried was because my machine suddenly stopped reading discs so I thought the drive was dead. Turned out it was a dead clock-battery. Apparently it makes it so the cd-drive doesn't initialize properly if the battery goes flat and it could no longer hold saves or keep track of time. It took me 4 hours to get it replaced because it was hidden inside the backup chip and it was a pain to carve it out. To my amazement though, it still worked after all that and with a new battery the machine sprung back to life again and reads discs without any problems.

Yeah, the Master System version was quite the surprise.

No speech on the PS3 version? That's very odd.

That's basically like my school back in the day. I think I only got to use the Arc' twice. I do remember playing E-Type racing game on it at school.

​@@RetroCore Tracked down the main game we played on the BBC Micro, it was 'Yellow River Kingdom'. Was playing that whilst the guy behind me was playing Virus..

Maybe that was the Windows version?

I bet it was considered at some point.

​@@RetroCoreGiven how poorly Lemmings sold on the Lynx, which put paid to any conversion of Lemmings 2 for the system, I very much doubt any publisher wanted to risk Lemmings on the Jaguar, given that system fated worse than the Lynx at retail.

That was Lemmings 2.

Bummer 😕

@@RetroCore it is, but if memory serves me right, it was supposed to have been a halfway-point upgrade from the original Apple II series to the Macintosh. Shame, given it could have come with the same speed CPU as the SuFami that came out four years later (IIGS ran at 2.8MHz). It had similar graphical capability to an Amiga 2000, and had an Ensoniq audio chip. Makes it more ironic, since certain Apple Mac LC models even had compatibility cards that were a //e on a few chips.