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Review and Use of a Shars Broaching Kit, Cutting Keyways and Internal Splines

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DazeCars

DazeCars

Күн бұрын

I found a very reasonably priced broaching kit on Amazon and decided to purchase one. In this video I give my honest opinion of this set and show it in action cutting a keyway.
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@jameshisself9324
@jameshisself9324 Жыл бұрын
Nice! As soon as you said it wasn't deep enough I thought 'luckily you have a broach that fits that if you turn it around'. 😆
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Exactly! In retrospect I wish I had only moved the broach in the cutting direction. I am assuming it is kind of like a reamer and going "backwards" can effect accuracy. I don't think I did any damage to the broach but something I will keep in mind for the future.
@michaelsemenchuk3056
@michaelsemenchuk3056 Жыл бұрын
1) I've always wanted a broaching set. This one looks pretty cool. 2) Looks like rebuilding your shop press to be more usable can be a whole series of new videos. Make it less sloppy, add air over hydraulic jack (or can you modify the current jack?). 3) Regarding building up your shop tooling, using your brain and whatever tools you have until you have the right tool, My first "lathe" was a drill press and a few different files. Took forever to shape something, but it worked.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
So far I am very happy with this set. Rebuilding my press as a video series... good idea I will add it to the list of projects.
@aguycalledlucas
@aguycalledlucas Жыл бұрын
I love my broaching kit, even though I’ve only used it twice. It’s a must have.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
One of those things you don't need often, but worth every penny when you do need it!
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 Жыл бұрын
I have been watching the prices on this tools for years. Thanks for sharing. Your going to love the air over hydraulic pump. Next for me is a press brake attachment. I saw a video years ago on rigging up the release valve with a foot leaver, it is the best. I used my press to flatten the end of conduit for a geo-dome. That a lot of pressing. Four hurricanes later it’s still going strong.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Hopefully Amazon gets them back in stock. they ran out shortly after I posted this video. I need to rework the entire press. I have big plans for it sound like another video series idea.
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 Жыл бұрын
@@dazecarsI ordered one the other day and it came in today, wowed great set. I glad you check your set and had a tune up for the small guide. I used the smallest cutter first and then the wider one, two cuts easier then all at once. Great tools.
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 ай бұрын
👍
@steveo1006
@steveo1006 Жыл бұрын
When using a press with H motion slop (vs arbor press) it’s highly recommended to relieve pressure on the ram intermittently to realign/correct misalignment and reducing the chance of breaking your broach. Slow and steady does not compensate and when you’re driving a 20 ton hydraulic pump there is no way you’ll feel anything on the other end.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Excellent advice to relieve the pressure and reposition. I will keep that in mind for the next one. As to "feeling" what the press is doing, with my press I can totally feel it. I have bent and shaped everything from 1/4" steel down to thin copper and aluminum. By taking very small slow strokes (speed is more important that length of the stroke) I am immediately aware if the resistance is increasing or decreasing. Took me quite a while to get a feel for it but once I figured out speed was the key it allowed me to fine tune what ever I am doing in the press.
@steveo1006
@steveo1006 Жыл бұрын
@@dazecars ask any experienced toolmaker about feeling. With your fingertips on the tap wrench, nothing between you and the work, “feeling” each tooth cutting, then “click” and your tap is broken. The 2 foot handle attached to a 20 ton hydraulic Jack is anything but a sensitive device.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Your not wrong. I wasn’t trying to argue that what I was doing was the “correct way” or even full proof against snapping a broach. I was just saying that I have a lot more “feel” than one would expect especially with the right technique. Obviously the better solution is to eliminate all side loading and that will be an upcoming project. Thanks again for the comment.
@topduk
@topduk Жыл бұрын
You definitely can feel it. I used a much less expensive 3/16 broach from AliExpress on mild steel and a similarly janky press and while it worked fairly well I think it was taking too much bite per tooth. I encountered quite a bit of resistance in places, but the problem is that you can never back out, so it doesn't matter whether you can feel it or not.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
​@@topduk for me the "feel" keeps me out of trouble. if pressure is remaining consistent than I know I am doing something right, if pressure suddenly goes up I can reset. You are correct that you cant "back out" but by taking small slow bites I can feel if I am getting in danger and change up before something brakes rather than appealing a full round from the press and snapping something.
@martinchabot_FR
@martinchabot_FR Жыл бұрын
The groove is cut deep enough as long as the broach slides into the corresponding hole. In fact it should not be recessed, otherwise you may end up with a broach that start with an angle when the first tooth bite, and that's the quickest way to break it.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
It wasn't cut deep enough. You could not slide it into the guide when the guide was in the hole.
@37yearsofanythingisenough39
@37yearsofanythingisenough39 Жыл бұрын
Make yourself some arbor extensions the same diameter as the arbor on your press in increasing inch long increments out of mild steel. Turn, or silver braze, a collar on each one that slides over the existing arbor to keep it in line when in use with others or the existing arbor. (If you are going to turn a separate collar you need to start with larger diameter stock and own a lathe.)Imbed a round neodymium magnet in a counterbore on the large end of each extension. The magnets that come with a countersunk hole in them work well for this.( The counterbore should be just slightly deeper then the magnet’s thickness. The magnets are brittle and you do not want anything pressing on them.)You now have a set of extensions that link together and keep you from having to move the presse’s bed up and down all of the time. While you are at it, make yourself a storage rack that holds each one that angles down towards the back side of the press, and mount it in the upper left hand inside corner of the press. The collars then retain them in this rack thanks to earth’s gravity. In that way they stay with the press and don’t get lost. When you are broaching a keyway always stop a couple of times, take the workpiece out with the broach still in it and look at the underside where the backside of the broach is suppose to be making contact with the collared bushing. In some materials the broach starts to dig in and pull itself away from the slot in the collared bushing. If you continue in such a manner you run the risk of a tapered slot and, or, a broken broach. I would recommend that you always use the jack handle that came with your press for broaching. It gives you what may be termed “machinist’s feel” for the entire process. You may want to shorten it up over time as you use your press. Save the air over for press fits and the like. Unless you are broaching 500 pieces, you do not need the speed.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Those are some excellent ideas. I need to rework the entire press. I have big plans for it and your extensions are a really good idea. Also good advice on broaching technique. The handle I am using is perfect for this press. I use the press all the time to form things (way more than just bruit force) and I can feel exactly what is going on. My reason for wanting air over hydraulic is just to take up the initial gap. Once I get it close I will hand crank to have the best "feel" for what I am doing.
@GoPaintman
@GoPaintman Жыл бұрын
This probably sounds crazy, but I’ve had a lot of luck making broach guides by 3D printing them. Just an FYI in case you find yourself trying to broach an odd sized hole.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Not craze at all. I could totally see that working. I imagine that each guide would only be good for a limited number of cuts before the plastic failed... but how often does a person actually use it, and if the guide failed printing another one would be a piece of cake. I especially like this idea because the printer can be "working" while you are doing something else. If you are making the guide on a lathe or mill it is taking up time.
@joell439
@joell439 Жыл бұрын
What a great idea - I would not originally thought that would work. Can't wait for an opportunity to need to print one 👍👍😎👍👍
@CraftwerksMC
@CraftwerksMC Жыл бұрын
I never thought of that to be honest but collecting all the other parts seems like it might be a lot of trouble.
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 ай бұрын
👍
@aerocam2
@aerocam2 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review! I too have wanted to add a broaching kit to my arsenal for years and you may have just convinced me to move forward with a purchase. 👍😁
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Hopefully Amazon gets them back in stock. they ran out shortly after I posted this video.
@notoioudmanboy
@notoioudmanboy Жыл бұрын
Looking for a set of broaches, mostly for square holes, probably also some key ways. First good review I've seen thanks man. Subbed.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help
@Glens1965
@Glens1965 Жыл бұрын
Been wanting/needing this for my arsenal. Hope someone sells some perches soon since I just bought this. 🤣
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
KZfaq is outstanding for "helping" viewers spend money
@bobuk5722
@bobuk5722 Жыл бұрын
Hi, algorithm just stumbled me onto your very nice channel. I've had a look through the back issues and sub'd. I like the gentle humour (ok, humor!) and the down to earth practicality. I was just looking at the lathe clutch - I don't need one but I like seeing sound engineering - especially when there are follow ups about improvements. Incidentally I built the James Clough ELS and it is excellent.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! Glad you are enjoying my videos. ELS is easily in my top 5 upgrades.
@Realtime1501
@Realtime1501 Жыл бұрын
If you ever want to mill the jig deeper or wider a good trick is to put the broach in the jig inside the mill vice and indicate on the broach to get it squared
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip!
@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes
@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes 9 ай бұрын
A needed mod for your press would be: quick change variable length posts for under the ram, would make for much less changing of the pin on long stroke pushes like that one was
@dazecars
@dazecars 9 ай бұрын
Not a bad idea. I am actually going to take my press apart and totally upgrade it and that would be something good to add the the plans.
@edbennett8257
@edbennett8257 Жыл бұрын
You should have put the small bushing in a matching hole and made sure that the broach was actually too large before modifying it. The smaller OD of the bushing means that when the slot was cut a larger percentage of the diameter was removed. Possibly the answer would have been to just chamfer the sides of the pilot section of the broach.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input, It was for sure the the guide. I compared the depth to the other guides and they were all identical excep this one that was not deep enough.
@topduk
@topduk Жыл бұрын
For comparison a plain 3/16 broach with shims from AliExpress was $20 delivered and worked well for about 9 steel spur gears I made. Maybe the same factory, who knows? I wouldn't be too quick to buy a set unless you do a lot of that kind of thing.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
good to know, thanks for the input
@aceroadholder2185
@aceroadholder2185 Жыл бұрын
Make sure you have padding on the floor underneath the press. If the broach falls through and hits the floor your nice broach will be in two pieces.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
Good tip! thanks
@sebastienlambert1976
@sebastienlambert1976 Жыл бұрын
The best way to had the depth of the 1/2 bushing is to mesured it with the broach inside. Total height with the spacer should be .560-570" f
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
good tip, thanks
@sebastienlambert1976
@sebastienlambert1976 Жыл бұрын
@@dazecars you can print these www.pfeiferindustries.com/documents/Square%20Keyway%20Tolerances%20AGMA%209002A86.pdf
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 ай бұрын
I need to get a 3d printer
@user-bf9qj3im7j
@user-bf9qj3im7j Жыл бұрын
Nice informative video, thank you! Just one FYI, is that an older model HF press with the cast iron, aka "exploding" press plates? Check into it, be safe, thanks.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
I know all about the "exploding press plates" The ones in the video are made of steel, I had them cut by a water jet cutter just because of the reports of exploding cast plates. I only use my cast one for extra space but then they are always on top of the steel ones so all the pressure spanning the base is on the steel. Thanks for the heads up if I had not been aware I would have needed to know, and now someone else might read this and learn about it.
@jamesbooth3360
@jamesbooth3360 Жыл бұрын
Isn't using that broach like a file the same as turning a reamer backwards when you reverse the stroke. The cutting edge isn't supported and will dull. Not sure, but I would avoid using the broach in that way.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
You are not wrong, the potential is there to dull the broach, thankfully that was not the case with my kit. I didn't "file" enough with it to cause issues. In the future however if I needed to do something similar I would only go one direction.
@derek876544
@derek876544 Жыл бұрын
great review
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
thanks! glad you liked it
@stanleylosh1899
@stanleylosh1899 3 ай бұрын
If you had used an already broached piece and turned the cutter around, it would have come out perfect.
@dazecars
@dazecars 3 ай бұрын
I am assuming you are referring to opening up the hole in the guid? IF so yes that is a good idea however I didn't have an already broached piece in that size.
@skyfreakwi
@skyfreakwi Жыл бұрын
Ya know you can pull the pin down manually and adjust the big gap out with the screw on top of the jack.
@dazecars
@dazecars Жыл бұрын
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