REVIEW: Everything Wrong With A 3.0 Mercedes OM606
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3 жыл бұрынWhat could possibly be wrong with the 3.0 Mercedes-Benz OM606 diesel engine?
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We cover all the common problems with the 3.0 Mercedes-Benz OM606 diesel engine, discuss tunability, mechanical fuel pump conversion, turbo upgrades, and compare it with various engines you might consider including the 2JZ, Cummins 4BT, 3.0 Duramax, Powerstroke, Ecodiesel, and other DOHC variants. #RichReviews #EWWengines
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@DEBOSSGARAGE 3 жыл бұрын
What engine should we review next? If you want to see more OM606 goodness, check out @dieselpumpuk, @blacksmokeracing, @dumbluckcustomz, @teamboosted, and @dieselmeken we think they're doing some really cool stuff! The Bosch fuel pumps referenced at 7:02 are rebuilds by Yankee Diesel, Inc. and can be found at: yankeedieselinc.com/products/0400076992/ (mechanical) & yankeedieselinc.com/products/0400196003/ (electronic)
@dorianmarban3752 3 жыл бұрын
What about the OM602
@trisrush9155 3 жыл бұрын
You missed Baldur Gislasson off the list, he makes the DlS1 standalone ecu to run the EDC pump, fully programmable, he is a good guy!
@smokiethebear3334 3 жыл бұрын
Om642 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee
@bryandepiazzy1572 3 жыл бұрын
Ecodiesel. There so bad you’d have a extremely lengthy video
@jairromero5779 3 жыл бұрын
Hey boss.... Do you can talk about OM 906 mercedes benz... Thanks you
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
I bought an OM602 on Craigslist for $60 couple years ago.. after I got it home I tried to start it and the bugger ran away on me! I had a plate to block the intake but little did I know there was a missing EGR pipe that allowed it to keep getting plenty of air. Vomited it's oil out the dipstick tube like a pressure washer, made made a godawful mess. Ironically after it stopped after it ran out of oil to burn, but wasn't seized up! Head was warped like 2-3mm though sadly. Oh well, most excitement I've ever gotten for $60!! 😂
@stalesvindland5101 3 жыл бұрын
1. The plastic connectors are prone to breaking but are cheap to replace. They are also a source for air to get into the fuel system. 1.5 the rubber hoses that goes between the injectors should also be replaced, or else you will have a diesel leak that fills up the hole where the injector sits. 2. To get the pins out that hold the plastic guide you would first use a tap to clean out the threads in the pin (m6x1 if i remember correctly). Then you would use a sliding hammer to pull each pin out. 3. The pure mechanical pumps only comes from the 601,602 and 603 engines that has 2 valves per cylinder and all the 604,605 and 606 has the EDC electric pump. 3. The bolt that holds the main pulley is only made out of 8.8 material. This bolt should be replaced by a 10.9 or 12.9 bolt. They used to use a better quality bolt for the 601,602 and 603 engines so if you take a pump from a 603 for example you should also take that bolt. Tips for upgrading your engine for making big power: - Get a hold of originial turbo pistons and rods or get aftermarket ones - Buy or make a girdle plate for the bottom end, either 10 or 12mm would be good. You will have to make a longer chain for the oil pump and a spacer for the pump so it still reaches down in the sump. - Send your injectors off for testing and upgrading. Originally they open at about 110 bars of pressure but you get a much better running engine if you increase the opening pressure to about 150 bar. With this mod you also decrease the injection period, wich is long enough when you want to make alot of power on these engines. - If you want to rev high (6000-6500 rpm) you should upgrade the springs to stiffer ones. You can get a complete set from a 320cdi engine. You should also weld the sprockets to the end of your camshaft at this point because the increased resistance can make the sprockets break the guide pin and slip on the cam. - i would not use the p pump for this build. Get a hold of a stock M pump from a 603, preferably a RS203 pump. And ship that over to Dieselmeken to get it setup for your application. He can also supply an original pump. You get a lifetime warranty on the pump and he is also the expert when it comes to om606 engines and diesel engines in general. - I would go for a turbo thats bigger than the HX35, because the only time i have seen bent rods in these engines is when you have too much charge pressure at a low rpm. For example 2.5 bar at 2500rpm is more dangerous than if you have 2.5 bar at 3500rpm. A good choice of turbo is the Borg warner 200sx-e or Holset HX40. Also very important to have a large enough exhaust after the turbo to keep the egt low. Pistons will melt if you have egt of 850-900°C for a period longer than 30-60 seconds. - If you want even more power and cooler egt you can add a water/meth injection system on it. These tips are for making your engine completely "bulletproof". If you just want to make some power and see how long it will last then just do the Dieselmeken pump and a turbo upgrade. Hope this helps making your build easier, you will be suprised by the power of this little guy. Let me know if i can help some more 🙂
@jcfreakable 3 жыл бұрын
The 605, 606 engines in w124 chassies all have mechanical pumps, also the 602 turbo engine in w210 has an electronic pump
@jcfreakable 3 жыл бұрын
Also the w140 s300d has an om606 turbo with a mechanical pump no EDC
@AB-lo1ec 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah M6 or M5 for the pins. Don't need a puller, just an extra nut and a socket + washer and push the socket down with the nut while keeping the bolt from moving. Should pop right out.
@stalesvindland5101 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and also some S124 has 606 with mechanical pump. But mainly its the 603 that has the good pumps. I would not recommend the screw and nut method because the hardest part is getting the pins to start moving, and you can strip the threads more easily that way. But if you dont have a sliding hammer it usually works fine. In both cases they should be replaced with new pins.
@123pvpworld 3 жыл бұрын
you forgot the crankshaft pulley they starts to spin on the crank at higher rpms
@racekar80 3 жыл бұрын
Legendary MB diesel. Had one in an E class. Unfortunately MB has forgotten how to make diesels that last virtually forever.
@brjha 3 жыл бұрын
no they didn't. Emissions standards did.
@therealvanilla 3 жыл бұрын
Also there is not much of a market for just good cars that would cost like 1/4 million dollars now if they were built to the same standards.
@360fanboy360 3 жыл бұрын
making engines this goods isnt good for business anymore they gotta get you in a new car every few years lol
@brjha 3 жыл бұрын
@@360fanboy360 the 90s gave us the most reliable cars and we took them for granted. Everything on the road now is a 100k mile throwaway
@zeimukas 3 жыл бұрын
they make new om656 inline 6 diesel with 335hp stock now. Don't know about how good is it, but specs pretty impressive
@jounilappalainen66 3 жыл бұрын
😂🇫🇮 Teemu Peltola from finland drifting in the begining of the video! 👍
@jopoviz 3 жыл бұрын
@blacksmokeracing and their old w123 with om606👌
@piuthemagicman 3 жыл бұрын
Torille 😝🤘
@wilsonjefferies294 3 жыл бұрын
There’s something special about seeing an engine I’ve had in my possession being torn down professionally on yt. Thanks for calling me when you did Rich! Nobody deserved this hunk more then you, and I’m exited to see what it becomes!!!
@blacksmoke660 3 жыл бұрын
Professionally? 🤣🤣🤣
@MrSh31by 3 жыл бұрын
@@blacksmoke660 as professional as Americans/Canadians get to dismantle and rebuild a German Engine tho haha
@wilsonjefferies294 3 жыл бұрын
I forgot to add, the car this engine came out of had 548000kms haha
@benjamins9121 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrSh31by The Germans at MB work by the hour, Rich gets paid for the amount of work he actually gets done. I'm sure if he was getting an hourly wage hed dress up in a pretty white MB short and have his nitro gloves on
@trisrush9155 3 жыл бұрын
I put one in my sprinter, 4 years ago, runs 500hp, it’s my daily, and it’s never missed a beat, and doesn’t piss oil and diesel everywhere like the old om611 did.
@Russell_and_Rosko 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds fun
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
Love Sprinters, they're everything a fuel-sucking, asthmatic old gasser American van (that you can't even stand tf up in) could only dream of being. Even the new American vans (which are just stolen from their European variants) seem to not offer diesels or charge like 20k for it. Mercedes did it right... ONLY offer diesel, and a proper modern diesel too!
@Russell_and_Rosko 3 жыл бұрын
What’s the failure rate of the sprinter transmissions again?
@geoffmooregm 3 жыл бұрын
@@dregenius The Chevy van came with the 6.6L Duramax and now is available with the 2.8L Duramax. The Sprinter is fine but it is definitely not what every van should be.
@johnz8210 3 жыл бұрын
@@dregenius The MB diesel is great - their DEF system, not so great. Not that anybody's is, but the MB system is pretty expensive when it fails. The countdown to zero starts isn't too popular among owners. Otherwise the Sprinters are good.
@devoncarlisle342 3 жыл бұрын
Love it currently puting a om606 in a 87 c4 corvette
@cdoublejj 3 жыл бұрын
...go on....
@kaurikartmann 3 жыл бұрын
definitely wanna see that!
@yeoldethrustbearing 3 жыл бұрын
PLEASE film this
@MatthewDannevik 3 жыл бұрын
nooooooooooo
@indigoraceworks 3 жыл бұрын
pretty please film it
@cullenmiller8170 3 жыл бұрын
Your fuel pump is actually the vacuum pump on the front of the engine. The pins for the timing chain rail have 6 mm threads in them to install a bolt and use a slide hammer to pull them out of the head. It’s funny watching you and Scott tear the OM 606 down since I took an OM 603 apart yesterday. Also in case you are wondering what the OM means. OM- Ölmotor
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! This guy knows his Öelmotors! (Oil-motor, aka diesel) Vacuum pumps occasionally leak their bearing balls into timing chain too.. preemptively replace or gut the pump. Fun story: I did a complete autopsy on an OM602 I got for $60 on Craigslist that ran away when I tried to start it. Most excitement I've ever gotten for $60! 😂😂😂
@CactosS 3 жыл бұрын
I had worked on 647, 646 and 651 and that 606 looks a lot like a 647 and i though that my be the vaccum pump, good to know the i was right
@Clean97gti 3 жыл бұрын
Some 30ish years back when Mercedes was building motors for its DTM teams, they were going out and offering to buy certain cars (with 2.3l 4-cyl gas motors) from private owners so they could get the blocks. They would gut the motor down to the short block and do a full race build on it, but because the blocks had been heat cycled so many times from regular driving on the roads, they were extremely stable and tolerated racing well. In the 80s and 90s, they were cranking 300+ NA horsepower out of what were Mercedes-Benz lowest end, cheapest engines. They were built that well. Just one of those factory freaks that comes around once every so often.
@blacksmoke660 3 жыл бұрын
I think your just about a 100 hp of, its more like 400. Later they had 2.5 ltr v6 wich made north of 500 hp NA!!!
@bluenecross 3 жыл бұрын
BMW did the same thing with their customers and engines.
@bahopik 3 жыл бұрын
No wonder rebuilding engines takes so long - because Rich keeps sneaking ahead of the line with his projects
@coennemans 3 жыл бұрын
These pins holding the guides, you can get them out with an sliding hammer. There is m6 thread inside to connect it with an sliding hammer. Easy peasy
@rbtoj 3 жыл бұрын
I think they were so dirty that they didn't see the threads
@Blondie5791 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, or special puller, or 10mm deep socket long bolt and some washers
@SeedlessProductions 3 жыл бұрын
I always just use a chain breaker tool to break the timing chain.
@bobbybeyer2127 3 жыл бұрын
Rich you fantastic SOB, I have never clicked on a video so fast. Here are some other things you might want to know: -The turbo 606's also had oil squirters, which squirt oil up through a gallery in the piston. This is what allows them to run super high boost, but oil cooling is really important with that -There is a guy named Baldur who sells a controller and wiring harness for the electronic pumps. It's totally tunable kinda like EFILive, I know it's not mechanical but just something to consider -For the naming, the OM601/2/3 are the 4/5/6 cylinder earlier SOHC engines that had head issues. OM604/5/6 are the 4/5/6 cylinder DOHC engines. OM stands for "Oel Motor", literally an engine that runs on oil Looking forward to this one!
@viddilitli 3 жыл бұрын
controls.is/shop/ ís Baldurs website
@AaJii 3 жыл бұрын
All OM604-606 have oil squirters. For OM601-603 only turbo models and some random N/A models have them. Biggest difference between N/A and turbo OM605-606 is Wrist pin size, connecting rod, cams, head gasket. Also OM601 is 2.0 or 2.3 and OM604 is 2.2 (some super rare OM604 are 2.0. But never the less block is slightly different than om601) OM602 vs 605 and OM603 vs 606 are more similar than OM601 vs OM604.
@samthelegoman3990 3 жыл бұрын
“What’d this come out of?” “A field”
@brandonobaza8610 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see Gale Banks build one of these more than I want to breathe. So much respect for his process.
@nobba255 3 жыл бұрын
Those semi mechanical pumps can be modified to the same speck as the mech. ones but need an aftermarket ecu to be controlled like a baldur dsl 1 that costs about 600€ and is mainly used for this exact purpose. Many consider this setup better also because of more control of fueling.
@kiiiisu 3 жыл бұрын
and built mech pump costs much more, at least 10 years ago when i had my superturbo
@777xpressmusic 3 жыл бұрын
You can just chip the ecu and have it still work on the stock ecu. Also this is the wrong pump to touch, this isnt worth anything
@nobba255 3 жыл бұрын
chipping only works for stock 6mm elemts and stock engine config, no one makes chips for custom pump and turbo setups and yes this is the right edc pump to use
@777xpressmusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@nobba255 this has 5.5mm, also how do guys use 7.5mm edc pumps on w210?
@nobba255 3 жыл бұрын
@@777xpressmusic yes na model has 5.5mm elemets and the go to turbo version has 6mm. They use either a mechanical pump or a aftermarket ecu and an edc pump with those 7.5mm elements
@zech007 3 жыл бұрын
04:00 it’s vacuum pump
@steelchain384 3 жыл бұрын
For powerbreaks
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
Yup. Wanted to see if someone else made this comment before I did. Also worth mentioning that these vacuum pumps are one minor Achilles heel of the OM60x as the bearings on the vacuum pump's cam follower can have the cage break and since they're open bearings, the balls will drop (so to speak lolol) into the timing chain area... worth replacing if you plan to use the pump. If not, just rip the guts of the pump out and use the shell to plug the hole and call it a day. Lol
@henryhelfman8478 3 жыл бұрын
I was specifically searching for this comment. Now I can sleep
@newtonfamily2274 3 жыл бұрын
4:02 thats actually the vacuum pump! Its one of the main dangerous failure points in these engines, especially the older OM601,2,3 series. They had exposed ball bearings in the older pumps that if they failed, would shoot into the timing case, jump into the timing chain and skip teeth, causing catastrophic engine failure at about 200000kms.
@Izrealeu 3 жыл бұрын
Had one doing it at 25k km a few years ago, but must say it stood for about 12 years after original owner died. Bought it from his widow, a 1992 200d with 4 speed. Car was brand new and stood in heated garage, but standing is not what it liked obviously, and started it back up, 300 km's later that happened....
@DidricSundgren 3 жыл бұрын
As you can tell from my profilepicture i know my mercs. The sqaure nut found in the head is for the lid of the airintake box. When you crank the om606s up for power you want the N/A cams just make sure to insert an extra pin cuz they are prone to twist the gear. The turbo version got thicker vristpins and rods. And the thingy that holds to chainguide you have to thread in a m4 bolt i think it was and pull it straight out. On the SOHC versions as om601/2/3 the pin goes through the head towards the first injector and are prone to leak oil there if you removed the pin once, telling from experience.. Get in contact with Dieselmeken AB in sweden, they build the best pumps for these engines, period!
@dturbo306 3 жыл бұрын
DieselPump UK offer way better products than the fraud that is dieselmeken
@DidricSundgren 3 жыл бұрын
@@dturbo306 hahaha, pretty sure it was the other way around
@dturbo306 3 жыл бұрын
@@DidricSundgren no mate it was mekon not dpuk who ducked up
@DidricSundgren 3 жыл бұрын
Didnt Göran buy a pump from dpuk and it turned out it to be identical deliveryvalves as dieselmeken?
@jonathanlager1719 3 жыл бұрын
@@dturbo306 Please research before u comment
@TheAndre8900 3 жыл бұрын
Man iknow swapped a Range Rover M51 (BMW) for the OM606 and a six speed manual box. That thing is scary fast for a 2.2 ton barge.
@eerogue 3 жыл бұрын
I made 12mm p pump fit to Om613 and it is driveable when adjusted correctly.
@marvinwatson2749 3 жыл бұрын
Care to share how you did it? I have a 9i e300d that I would love to go mechanical on
@eerogue 3 жыл бұрын
@@marvinwatson2749 there is some pictures in my istagram accont: eerogue
@hvguy 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhh you used a timing belt system. Very clever
@MiG21aholic 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I've been wondering if anyone had done this with a MB engine. I've heard of people doing it with VW TDIs. What injectors did you use???
@eerogue 3 жыл бұрын
@@MiG21aholic injectior body is from Deutz bf4m 1011 and nozzle is from scania Dc16 8x0.2mm
@swedfilms 3 жыл бұрын
I met the Black smoke racing guys a few years back at a car event in Norway. They had some trouble with the boost pipes staying on. So I asked them how many bars/Psi they where running.. "Ehhh, around 9 bars" thats 130Psi..
@ifgezroxy 3 жыл бұрын
And back then, they were testing out nitrous also,if I remember correctly.
@timothyhays1817 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a pro-stock pulling tractor range.
@nobba255 3 жыл бұрын
If i remember correctly they "only" run something closer to 5 bars on a billet hx50. dieselpump uk or dieselmeken tested that the block cracs at around 5.3 bars.
@joku8900 3 жыл бұрын
If it was time when they already started to use 320CDI (OM648) engine in their "W203,5" chassis, its running about 4,5-5bars of boost. That engine is still in car and it makes like 70whp at 2500rpm and 700+whp at 3500rpm ->, atleast Teemu claimed so.
@nobba255 3 жыл бұрын
@@joku8900 oh yeah you are right i mixed them up, they currently are running about that pressure on a hx 50 on a om648. But quite sure they werent running much over 5 bar on their old om606 either.
@davidsstfarrelltighe 3 жыл бұрын
The spring loaded gear is to take up slop between the gears and stop rattling they still use this design in the om654 produced today
@aaronhall7740 3 жыл бұрын
The spring tensioned cam sprocket is common on alot if japa diesel stuff too!
@creak92 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronhall7740 absolutely, I've seen this design on the camshaft gear of an Isuzu diesel. I think VW also used it on the completely gear driven i5 PD TDI in the Bus and Touareg as well as the 2.8 i4 TDI made by MWM in the second gem LT van to take out the slop in the valve train.
@davidsstfarrelltighe 3 жыл бұрын
@@creak92 yep the t5 2.5 pd transporter had it also I forgot that
@unclewilly2 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry that's not correct, at leat not for the 601-606 series engines, those spring-loaded wheels are timing advance mechanisms, the advance pumptiming with rising rpms. Those engines couldn't operate in such a broad range of rpm without any advance mechanism 😜
@unclewilly2 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry I meant *at least * not *at leat*
@jamesbroadbent4559 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, really cool to watch you tear it down. Keep the videos coming !!
@speedmachine69 3 жыл бұрын
OM606 price just went up.....
@Bodeesafa 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no shit. Thanks Deboss 😂
@arvidsrensen3250 3 жыл бұрын
Yhere is a guy in Sweden there building diesel pump for Mercedes. 650bhp is no problem. Stock crank and rods. New exhaust manifold. Custom intake. BIG intecooler and turbo... beefy oilcooler. Wire goove in the block around the cylinders to make max pressure on the head gasket. Good luck🇸🇯🇸🇯👍👍👍
@om606ram6 3 жыл бұрын
I watched this while sitting in my 606 swapped Dodge ram lol. But watching you guys tear this down made my day, and I laughed where you guys needed special tools and didnt know it. The pins in the head can be removed with a socket, a bolt and a nut. Also both pins nees to be removed to remove the head.
@jimmahoney788 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the adaptor? What tranny are you running? Maybe I should search your channel lol.
@om606ram6 Жыл бұрын
@@jimmahoney788 No adapter. Running the Mercedes transmission with an Ofgear TCU and made my own mounts. But that truck was involved in an accident. The swap now lives in my 1995 Ford F350 CCLB.
@petermartyniuk6781 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like my lunch break just got a lil longer 👍🏻🤘🏼
@johnparrish9215 3 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with the OM606 is there should have been another 100 thousand of them sold in North America. The damn thing is hard to find.
@timothykeith1367 3 жыл бұрын
Not when you have lots of money, unfortunately that's not the case with me
@alexlaverick6111 3 жыл бұрын
Most Mercedes chain guides are held in by pins you push in from the outside. They are usually drilled and tapped and you use a bolt to pull them straight out
@kourier 3 жыл бұрын
that's my experience as well..
@bryanbentley1584 2 жыл бұрын
Hazet makes a timing pin puller. Threaded bolt with a bearing and nut to pull the pin out the front
@MrFurriephillips 3 жыл бұрын
Those “lifters/pushers” look like what I knew to be Hydraulic Lash Adjusters & on the Mazdas I used to work on, the cam lobes are offset so that as they turn on the HLAs, they actually rotate/swivel in the cylinders, so that wear & noise is minimal.
@unclewilly2 3 жыл бұрын
Those are really common over here in Europe, Mercedes used them on all of the OM601, 602,603, 604, 605 and 606 engines
@kennedy796 3 жыл бұрын
Toyotas have been doing this with every ohc engine since the 1zz as well
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
@@kennedy796 Yup, and BMW have used them for probably 20 years before that as well. I guess it's only really the Americans that haven't evolved to 1970s engine technology yet!
@slodsl 3 жыл бұрын
But, but, but they sound cool...
@tokeypokey 3 жыл бұрын
And make a ton of power with a mechanical pump
@GregoryVeizades 3 жыл бұрын
@@tokeypokey Even with the electronically controlled pump they can make a ton of power.
@g__wizz 3 жыл бұрын
606 rev over 6k stock.. om 603 can do 5200 rpm stock.. "but ya they sound cool" lol...
@fusrodahsamb 3 жыл бұрын
@parkerbethke that idle sound is perfection
@chevyjohnson7457 3 жыл бұрын
The idle sound is the best thing about them
@adamak46 3 жыл бұрын
Mercedes timing chains are generally riveted. Pretty cool process of cutting the chain, attaching a new chain to the old chain with a temporary link and then spinning the engine over with special fixtures to keep tension on the gears and then riveting the new chain. Explains why the guides are not easily removed
@ajayramlogan 3 жыл бұрын
Guys at Team Boosted putting one of these in a 240 right now, excited to see content on these engines.
@BuildSomethingAuto 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard about these engine but knew almost nothing about them. Awesome to get some more info on them, looks like a winner to me!
@PistonShack 3 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting on 3.0L om606 video for so long - thanks a lot for such a detailed tear down and review. I am thinking to get one of om606 engines for doing Ford Expedition SWAP. Thanks again! Cheers.
@danielmorgan190 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got three of the OM648 that followed. Last of the straight six 3.2L. It’s common rail. Biggest downside is that not too many made it to the States so nots of lots of aftermarket parts and tuning.
@adamm2716 Жыл бұрын
can you do a mechanical pump on the om648 too? i keep seeing people say the 648 is the way to go but i don't see much info about them getting swapped
@danielmorgan190 Жыл бұрын
@@adamm2716 Not easily. It's common rail so injectors and everything would have to be changed.
@kevinthouvenell1750 3 жыл бұрын
Benzforce on Facebook can get u forged rods and pistons
@wrenchist 3 жыл бұрын
@parkerbethke hes got a website
@micheljansen85 3 жыл бұрын
Better off getting a turbo one, turbo swap, bigger elements in the pump and voila, 300~400hp
@daviddesignin 3 жыл бұрын
Rodney at BenzForce is a first class guy. He's the North American source for everything OM606.
@makingtechsense126 3 жыл бұрын
I worked at a Mercedes-Benz dealership 20 years ago. My job was just cleaning the shop but I will never forget the room they had dedicated to special tools required to work on the vehicles. Yes, a complete room full of specialized tools that were required for various repairs on the many, many models of cars produced through the years. I vowed never to own a Mercedes-Benz after seeing that room.
@Sakhmeov 4 ай бұрын
The 606 was before that time. I've had an M57 before, and I would basically only take a 606 over that engine. Both are dead simple and lovely to work on, with the Merc winning out in the end. On the Beamer it's the inlet and timing setup that gives you trouble, on the Merc it's the vacuum and the turbo if you don't size and flow things properly. Both have absolutely rock solid bottom ends and are absolutely reliable so long as you know how to treat them right. Don't buy any car past '08-'12 depending on brand, in my experience. Too much gadgetry and designer scummery. I sold my 530 after getting into the wiring and repairing some minor faults; It turned into way more of a pain than it ever should have been on account of the layout. Decent components but an absolutely stupid way of placing them. Built for obsolesence.
@gus4724 3 жыл бұрын
i know nothing about diesel engines but here i am. Good stuff. You explain everything very well.
@miki09175 3 жыл бұрын
the drifter is Teemu Peltola from Black Smoke racing Finland if i am correct with the car
@jaba512 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info
@dievs2 3 жыл бұрын
Teemu ran Scania truck turbo, jaguar supercharger and a NOS!!! To make 1200NM on stock internals!!! He started to split blocks when reached around 1000nm, so he did a sandwich plate in between block and oil pan.
@miki09175 3 жыл бұрын
@@dievs2 Yep
@vanilakung7563 3 жыл бұрын
@@dievs2 He also had water injection on it
@patriciomunoz2830 3 жыл бұрын
These are great engines, it's not always about displacement
@MrFurriephillips 3 жыл бұрын
Volumetric efficiency
@MrFurriephillips 3 жыл бұрын
In 1992ish I attended a lecture by Michael Costin (of Cosworth fame) & it was fascinating. The auditorium was literally standing room only & the fire marshals had to stop new people from entering. Lots of awesome info about making the most of the available displacement.
@jdubshizzle 3 жыл бұрын
Love these videos, I really enjoyed watching the 2 stroke detroit diesel teardown.
@cristianlup4168 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic show Man does it help liking these guys Watching the vids !! Nice work !!
@Gravstein 3 жыл бұрын
Diesel Meken AB in Sweeden can make you a pump. They are one of the pioneers in OM60X tuning world.
@MrJoelGustafsson97 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! i am very happy with my Dieselmeken pump.
@kwittnebel 3 жыл бұрын
Except Myna predate them by 5-10 years...Meken was definitely the youtube pioneer of om606 pump builders though.
@marcusgault9909 3 жыл бұрын
Goran is "Da Man" I have a 7.5mm Dieselmekkan fettled pump on my OM605 retrofitted to a LWB 460 G Wagen. Goran or his staff are also VERY good about responding to email enquires, however tentative. Marcus
@rockandroad4x4partsaccesso36 3 жыл бұрын
BenzForce in the USA uses Dieselmeken parts to build pumps so to don't have to go overseas.
@smallenginedude71 3 жыл бұрын
@@rockandroad4x4partsaccesso36 i live in australia and got mine built in sweden by dieselmeken. got it in 5 days.
@FlyOnAlbatross 3 жыл бұрын
"If you have uncontrollable poops you know why." I always thought it was the Tim Hortons that caused that, now I know the truth.
@mikefoehr235 3 жыл бұрын
Metamucil
@sebastiencharette6637 3 жыл бұрын
I like timmies. It keeps me regular..
@jordanleblanc7363 3 жыл бұрын
good stuff! That square nut you found in the valve train looks like one of the captive style nuts used in mounting the injection pump to the timing case.
@Another_Random_Dave 3 жыл бұрын
13:24 that feeling and sound tho😍😍😍
@kevinpatriarch6719 3 жыл бұрын
Its one of the best diesel engines in the 3 litre category
@GeFeldz 3 жыл бұрын
The BMW n57 feels left out :feelsbadman
@megarafjogos 3 жыл бұрын
The m/n/g 57 BMW Inline 6 diesel engine... What a beast... the LS of the diesel world. You can put it in a Patrol, you can put it in a land rover, you can put it in a toyota...
@spannerworx7106 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah completely... The bmw 6 cylinder diesels are insanely good..
@derrickdaly296 3 жыл бұрын
Dont you mean M57? The N is one of the worst ever made!
@carsanstuff8132 3 жыл бұрын
Oh chill out buddy. There are enough bmw videos out there. Let the merc guys get some love for once.
@antemanduric5220 3 жыл бұрын
M57, n57 are aluminum blocks,not as strong as older m57(iron block) and n57 have problems with timing chain
@crezychameau 3 жыл бұрын
Yay ! BlackSmoke Racing getting some love :D Just for fun, the drifting w123 wagon in the beginning was actually turning at around 7-8k rpm according to its driver. The reliability was down to "let's hope we manage to finish the event with the 3 engines we brung"
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 жыл бұрын
11:32 Knipex Pliers Wrench. I absolutely love this tool!
@connorjones1485 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve crushed a 2x4 with mine. Well worth the cost, they are awesome!
@ragnarlothbrok835 3 жыл бұрын
No problem to rev an om606 up to 7k with harder Valve Springs...
@luisfelix09happy 3 жыл бұрын
A engine griddle is a must at those rpms
@Cdijursi 3 жыл бұрын
@@luisfelix09happy nah. Been running 2 years with 7500rpm and no girdle and no problem.
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
On a diesel engine, isn't flame front propagation a limiting factor at higher RPM? I mean I'm sure you can get it to spin 7,500 but is it really making much power and extracting all the energy from the fuel, or is 75% of it burning in the exhaust manifold? Lol
@Cdijursi 3 жыл бұрын
@@dregenius Full HP at 6300rpm but nice to have some headroom of rpm if drifting or hooning around 😁 Ofc at over 7000 its not making that efficient power anymore but still goes really nicely all the way to 7500 🤭😅
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cdijursi that's pretty impressive!
@jonathanpalmer228 3 жыл бұрын
60 series has also been overhead cam for a long time and all the DD engines too. Isuzu also makes a 4HE1 that is a overhead cam 4.8l you should do a review on. They went to a 5.2L in 2005 2006
@sTEVAL570 2 жыл бұрын
I worked on RV’s and sprinter style vans at my last job, and these OM606 engines run like crazy. They build boost instantly, and rev like a gasser. I loved maintaining them as I always took them for a test drive and gave them the proper Italian tune up. They run smooth as butter and make great power. Everything is easy to work on if you have the tools, i did a lot of transmissions in them, although some don’t have a dipstick, you have to buy the dipstick tool to know your fluid level. Filter access is relatively easy, all considering, although the B service fuel transfer pump filter under the turbo piping can be difficult to get to in a RV.
@user-zm4eb9xp3v 5 ай бұрын
@DEBOSS GARAGE please keep making these videos! I've been watching all of your content. Amazing work and don't ever stop posting! You two are really funny too XD
@dieseldan420ca 3 жыл бұрын
Knipex Pliers Wrench FTW at 11:29.
@1one3_Racing 3 жыл бұрын
I love that Rich has never seen a cam over bucket
@SKOMPAS 3 жыл бұрын
Alien technology in the diesel world!
@townsendliving9750 3 жыл бұрын
Yea it's amazing the stuff he knows, some random obscure piece of equipment engines, but basic stuff like valve buckets and hes looking at them lile space age stuff. It's funny we all have such a broad range of experiences
@1one3_Racing 3 жыл бұрын
@@SKOMPAS I guess I've been lucky in that I was a diesel fitter during the week and built race cars on the weekend. You kind of learn everything. No training either, all self-taught. When you're on a feedlot with 70,000 head 200km from town you learn pretty quick how to fix almost anything.
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR 3 жыл бұрын
Dude soooooo good to see sombody that knows about this gem! Wicked👍🏻
@RussellRobinson77 3 жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to whats to come involving this engine!
@jjt1093 3 жыл бұрын
LOL maybe when I move back home to Canada I should start to import them, Its an awesome engine
@humboldthillbilly1848 3 жыл бұрын
606! I was real tempted to buy one of these, but the timing didn't work out for me. Hope you take this engine to the limit! Also wanted to add... I believe the Europeans use the 606 with a modified mechanical 603 pump to make all the power and avoid the computerized nonsense.
@joelinkousjr.3234 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you have reviewed a Mercedes 3.0 L OM 642 V-6. Keep up the good work.
@joewilson3382 3 жыл бұрын
Iv been hoping youd do some om606 videos 👌👌👌
@Foghorn117 3 жыл бұрын
Check out benzforce. Its a usa om 606 company and has alot of things you would need
@dash456789 3 жыл бұрын
+1 on Benzforce. Rodney is who I bought my OM617 7.5mm mw pump, and Holset from.
@rockandroad4x4partsaccesso36 3 жыл бұрын
I used BenzForce too. Rodney is great to deal with
@movementonthetyne2785 3 жыл бұрын
Spent many of a day digging out coked up injections on these when serving my apprenticeship still gives me nightmares 14 years later
@ardtessa 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought a Merc (S211) with a OM642 in it. I chose that engine because I used to drive a Merc van with the same engine, it wasn't spared and when I left that job it had 600.000km on it and still doing fantastic with zero issues.
@MrBeboopman 3 жыл бұрын
Deboss and dieselpump in the one vid.... bliss. 😊 Hello from Tipperary Eire. 😁
@The.Toaster 3 жыл бұрын
You need a schribesplinegesamtshaftenpullethingy to remove that pin. 😁
@dregenius 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. So easygoen! Just watchen for schnappen der springenwek, blowenfusen, and poppencorken mit spitzensparken!
@mrFuck6886 3 жыл бұрын
Just rolls of the tongue
@DexMaster881 3 жыл бұрын
"We not gonna buy Mercedes Rods we gonna build them." Good Luck m8 XD
@yako0000 3 жыл бұрын
i'm so excited for this you have no idea!
@paid2getdirty1 3 жыл бұрын
Good to see the legendary OM606 getting your attention Rich. Never worked on one myself but have played with OM605/603/617/615 etc. Mercedes make great engines most of the time but now and again they drop the ball. More often with the petrols than the diesels. The main thing to be careful of is that they build the engines to a spec for the power requirement. Therefore the turbodiesels usually have higher spec than the N/A's. If you plan to boost that N/A block has it got piston cooling jets? Usually they are only fitted to turbo blocks. I have heard that the heads may run a different alloy to cope with the increased heat loading of turbo application. Do some research before spending money on it. Oh, and be careful of DieselpumpUK. They like to post Dyno videos of crazy power increases but don't show any EGT figures etc. Be interesting to see where you go with this and what application you put it in.
@nicholas5623 3 жыл бұрын
hey my mastercraft tools have served me well paid for themselves and most importantly saved me a fortune
@rustednbustedmopars6087 3 жыл бұрын
That 68 charger 😍
@louis8869 3 жыл бұрын
In the Niagara region, can't help you with parts sadly But so happy you're working on one of these, caught that "superturbo" bug a long time ago and a om606 with a om603 pump, elements, turbo etc dream build of mine. Happy to see im not the only one!
@Constabruity 3 жыл бұрын
Rich! Awesome video. These engines make me laugh with how much power can be squeezed out of a tiny thing. How about an episode on Nissan’s VK56? It’s difficult to find videos on problems bc they are kinda rare.
@user-hx2dm1fb7t 3 жыл бұрын
My friend: buys literally anything diesel Me: bro, you should put a p-pump on it
@glynpayne4393 3 жыл бұрын
OM 648 is my preference. Had a stock E class. good for 130 mph or 50 mpg (imperial)
@EDesigns_FL 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the OM 642. It's all aluminum and more compact. I don't know how you get 50 mpg. I'm happy with 25, but mine is in an SUV ;-)
@davidschulfer786 3 жыл бұрын
I am also interested in how you are achieving 50 mpg.
@glynpayne4393 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidschulfer786 Cost of diesel in UK, and wearing a flat cap!
@trialspro 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Now do one for the om642! Sprinter engine and a couple jeeps got them too
@FELiPES101 2 жыл бұрын
I started looking up videos on these and now I want one
@ATAMasterShake 3 жыл бұрын
Finally catching traction with some one who speaks English!
@ingessons7280 3 жыл бұрын
review a volvo 850 T5 engine! :D
@sebastienbolle5539 3 жыл бұрын
I’d like to hear about the B230, especially with a turbo
@dildobaggins069 3 жыл бұрын
I second the whiteblock with a spooly boi
@Izrealeu 3 жыл бұрын
They will go past 5200 rpm.... :D, you are not gaining too much above it but they stay together at 6000 with stock internals I can tell you. The turbo has oil squirters on pistons, as well as other rods and pistons. The oil cooling is really fundamental to make it last when tuning. A turbo on an NA will hold up to about 300hp with stock internals, a turbo version is good for about double. The timing chain guide pin is pull out, wiggle it a bit back and forth and spray some penetrating oil, and it should come out. And the pump you pulled off was the vacuum pump not fuel pump. Electronic pumps are tunable, for mechanical use or engine swaps in non MB (electronic) cars/trucks it is easiest to get an OM603 pump. All in all it is a great engine with loads of potential end great reliability. Got 2 on the driveway, and they will outlast me most likely.
@PadmaDorjee 2 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic video and made me understand most of what you were doing for someone who is not mechanical. Can I ask how you would compare this motor to a M57 BMW? I am wanting to do a conversion into either a 80 series Landcruiser or Y61 GU Patrol and will either be one of these engines or M57. Thank you again, subscribed!
@unclewilly2 3 жыл бұрын
It also would be worth noting, the the OM606 is a IDI design, so it uses prechambers, as all Mercedes passenger car diesel up this point. In stock Form they behave much more like gasoline engines, as they have a linear increasing torque and power curve. They lack a bit of low end grunt and torque all over the range compared to a DI engine, because of efficiency problems with the IDI design. BTW. OM stands for "ölmotor" which stand for oil engine, they started calling their diesels like this, because diesel was more known as a kind of oil, back in the 40, when Mercedes started to use diesel engines in their passengercars. Mercedes first passengercar worthy diesel was called OM636 and it's a 1,7l prechamber (IDI), pushrod 4 cyl. Pushing ~35HP 😂
@martin09091989 3 жыл бұрын
I have an bmw e30 m20 stoker 2.8liter. And I have a Mercedes W201 that I have disassembled and now don't know what dirty shitt I should try with it. I never thought about diesel conversion! 🤔 Maby this is somthing fun! And Hase a chance to comply with German law. 🙄 I'm so jealous that you just can trow somthing together and just register it! In Germany that is hard AF! Mostly impossible. You can swap engine that are closely relatat from the same manufacturer, like on the e30 you can put in the m50 engines. But somthing like a 2jz swap, or putting in other axles in, pff... forget it!
@bladenrexroth2555 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely want to see more on this.
@TillerMicroSkiffs 2 ай бұрын
This is my dream swap for a older discovery or defender... thanks for this!!!❤
@xXPanfy004013Xx 3 жыл бұрын
You guys gotta holler at diesel pump uk! They make a bunch of rad stuff for these om606s
@jimparker7778 3 жыл бұрын
Nascar Cup engine builders get some pretty hairy HP with pushrod 2 valve engines
@dposcuro 3 жыл бұрын
HP isn't hard. Getting RPM out of a pushrod engine, is hard. Sure, you can build a 9000 rpm pushrod engine, but it is not going to be cheap, and it is going to make less power than an otherwise identical OHC engine, because the spring pressure on the valves is going to be a hell of a lot more, to keep the valves from floating.
@nitrofish1974 3 жыл бұрын
That was an awesome 👌 episode 👏 which is the better 606,one with large piston?
@mooman86 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking into these, I’d say one thing “wrong” would be not many options for a factory stick shift that are easily found. Not like the nv4500/ZF etc.
@StevenJPiper 3 жыл бұрын
DieselPumpUK has entered the chat :P
@boostaddict_ 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, one of their pumps with a big turbo is a really easy 500hp. lol
@tobiasjacobsen_dk 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing they are capable of is ripping of other diesel tuners... *coughdieselmekkencough*
@StevenJPiper 3 жыл бұрын
@@tobiasjacobsen_dk No, in fact that was the other way around. Nice try bud
@Hennessey_and_smoke 3 жыл бұрын
#deboss uploads literally make the corona float away.
@LoudMercury 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Deboss Garage I love the channel. I'd love to see you guys review the Isuzu 4JG2-T 3.1 engine. Ive been thinking about doing a swap from the gas to the diesel in my 95 Trooper. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it good and bad.
@kevinthouvenell1750 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome bro love it
@joximox 3 жыл бұрын
The plastic lines, fittings and o-rings on them are a weakness. but the solution is to use the older style diesel filter housing with banjo bolts and copper washers from om601-603. Rods are the weakpoint on the n/a engines and so is the head gasket, stock pistons will do fine,but the original turbo rods dont fit the n/a pistons . Theres no meaning to put a p-pump on there. there is no one who has been able to burn all the fuel an 8mm m-pump delivers, dieselmeken pumps ftw!
@connerw25 3 жыл бұрын
OM642 next! Super common in Canadian diesel Jeep Grand Cherokees! I’m sure you’d be able to find one easy.
@94concours 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in the US with one. It certainly has its share of issues!
@ianbond3982 3 жыл бұрын
Rich, there are so many variants of this basic eng from MB. Mine is a OM662 made under license in korea, & its in a '05 Ssangyong Musso Sports ute (pickup) My eng is old tech for that year model, still ID injection, but it is a turbo version. What you thought was a fuel pump on the timing cover is actually the vacumm pump. I personally would replumb the secondary fuel filter so that the fuel return goes back to tank, as you will have problems getting rid of air every time you change the filter, because the fuel return is plumbed back to that filter, so keeps sending the air round n round the system. Also, if you look up Diesel Meken in Sweden, he works all sorts of magic with engines & is a specialist in the fuel systems for MB. Hope that helps, from Qld Australia
@pjofurey6239 2 жыл бұрын
Love the channel.you guys should your motorcycle buzz on, air cooled or oil cooled only, as water cooling is for cars. We have seen over 400 horse from a Suzuki bandit engine using second hand pistons and a used turbo from a Subaru. Keep em coming , every ones a winner
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