Review of 10 Italian heritage tomatoes | Fantastic tomatoes for flavour and yield

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Jonny's Kitchen Garden

Jonny's Kitchen Garden

2 жыл бұрын

In this video I look at ten Italian heritage tomato varieties, eight of which are quite regional. I compare their growth, yield, fruit size and quality, and flavour.
Large fruited varieties :
Belmonte Costoluto (Calabria)
Rosa di Sorrento (Campania)
Pantano Romanesco (Lazio)
Canestrino di Lucca (Tuscany)
Cuore di Bue d'Albenga (Liguria)
Red Pear (Lombardy)
Cuore di Bue
Small fruited varieties:
Piennolo del Vesuvio (Campania)
Corbarino (Campania)
Principe Borghese

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@bulgarianfarmadventure7202
@bulgarianfarmadventure7202 10 ай бұрын
Principe bougese sets fruit in very hot weather, this variety is among my best cropper. I moved to Bulgaria from the Uk and can attest to the vigour of the plant, nothing seemingly kills them, Franci seeds sell packs of 1200 for a few pounds, highly recommended.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 10 ай бұрын
Yes, it always seems to do well 👍
@frank.s74
@frank.s74 3 ай бұрын
Im quite surprised that Italian Variety's work at all in the UK since you have much less sunlight and heat. I grow "Costoluto Colli Euganei" and "Borsa Montone" this Year, both the first time. Greetings from Germany.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 3 ай бұрын
Depending how things go, we can certainly lack the warmth outdoors and the regular rainy days often bring blight, so we only grow under cover. The season must be a bit shorter than in the warmer regions of Italy, but when grown under glass they have plenty of heat - sometimes even more than is ideal - and during our tomato growing season we have somewhat longer days, albeit of less intense sunlight. My own experience has been that most varieties grow really well here and give great yields of flavoursome fruit. I have never been satisfied with the plum types, though, and perhaps they have different needs than these others, which seem to thrive here.
@cocoanutkobold7964
@cocoanutkobold7964 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for talking about these italian varieties. All of the "San marzano" tomatoes found here have been hybridized, so it's nice to find someone talking about the heirlooms from Italy.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 11 ай бұрын
For some reason I have never had good results from San Marzano tomatoes - but there are so many Italian heirlooms that do really well :)
@chrisp5526
@chrisp5526 2 жыл бұрын
i share the same passion about growing historical fruits and literally getting a taste of history. One of my favorite looking tomatoes for a tomato sandwich/slicing type was ‘gigante’, an italian variety. For passata (strained tomatoes), the corbarino came out on top in terms of flavor. However, for canning purpose for sauce or diced tomatoes, I really loved ‘fiaschetto’, an old italian variety that is a determinate plant; what I loved about it was that the plant takes up very little space, and gives many tomatoes. A person can easily grow 12 of the plants in a small space, take little care of them, and have canned tomatoes to last an entire year. In Italy, they tend to grow the fiaschetto without a trellis/cage, although I think supporting it helps prevent disease. I love the plant because it requires very little investment of my personal time/energy, yet gives many tomatoes. If you want a fun paste tomato, try the Federle Tomato. It’s a West Virginia variety. It’s huge! And the plant is prolific! And the tomato looks like a giant red chili pepper! For sauce, if using an indeterminate tomato, I really enjoyed growing the Pera d’abruzzo, from Italy. I liked it because the plant is extremely prolific, and it produced large tomatoes that can make so much passata! The passata is a little thin, but it still made a great pizza sauce! It’s commonly use is Tuscany for sauce. If you want a great ‘all purpose’ tomato, I’d recommend trying ‘Amish Paste’. Despite what the name suggests, it is not dry. It is a great slicer, and a great sauce tomato. Also great for dicing, or for salads. Very little seeds, very meaty, and juicy. --------- And since you love tomatoes so much, let me share with you my personal recipe for ‘tomato rice’. Does not use any water, just diced tomatoes! Tomato rice -persian recipe (for 1-4 people... just depends how much rice you eat!. It feeds me 3-4 meals.) Ingredients: 1 cup basmati rice 1 lb finely diced tomatoes 2 Tbs salted butter 1 tsp kosher salt if Morton brand; * 1.25-1.5tsp if Dixie brand kosher salt 1 Tbs lime juice (my lime was a very sour; adjust as needed) instructions: -Mix all ingredients, and cook at medium high heat, stirring regularly until the tomatoes start to give off their liquid, and then turn the heat to medium. -Once the tomatoes released most of their at medium heat, cover pot and cook at a very low heat for 20 minutes. -If you want the bottom of the pot to be crispy rice (tahdig), cook for 30-45 minutes, depending on the heat of your stove. - before serving: Mix if no crispy rice at the bottom, and serve. If you made crispy rice at the bottom of the pot, do not mix the rice; instead, flip the pan upside down onto a serving serving plate, as you would with an upside down pineapple cake. For serving crispy rice, serve by slicing each serving like cake.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ever so much for taking the time to comment - I really appreciate it 👍🙂 You mention some great varieties there - some we have grown (we love Pera d’Abruzzo), some I haven’t heard of but will investigate, and some that have been on the never ending ‘to-grow list’, such as Amish Paste. I really must grow that next season. There are so many great varieties, it’s hard to get around to them! Thanks for the recipe, too - will try that out 😋
@chrisp5526
@chrisp5526 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden I had the luxury of a lot of space, and ability to perform hard labor, and grew 28 different variety of tomatoes last year. I made diced tomatoes, and sauce. I thought I’d find my favorite tomato. But as I’m sure you learned quickly, there’s no ‘favorite’ tomato. For me, there’s a favorite for each job. Such as, I have a favorite for a tomato sandwich, a tomato sauce, diced tomato, tomato rice, adding beauty to a salad, one that produces early to start the season quickly even if it’s a hybrid. If you look at my youtube page, you will see a few videos of tomatoes I grew. I wish I had the time to video every one of the tomatoes, with a slice and taste. However, I just didn’t have the time.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it’s certainly the case that some tomatoes are better suited to certain uses than others. I will turn anything spare into sauce but generally I want particular varieties for cooking and others for slicing. You have some productive tomato plants there! I was particularly interested to see your San Marzano. It’s one we expected better from and have been rather disappointed with; perhaps it needs more warmth than we can offer, but we don’t seem to get a good yield or particularly well flavoured fruit. I’m tempted to try it once more now that I’m grafting the plants 🤔
@chrisp5526
@chrisp5526 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden despite popular believe there are many varieties of san marzano, and may hybrid versions of it, too. The variety I grew had very little flavor, when made into a passata. However, I can see that as an advantage if trying to taste other ingredients with a side note of tomato flavor. Maybe the flavor of my variety would stand out more when cooked down; however, I do not prefer cooked down tomato sauce. I prefer a fresh tasting sauce, that is just slightly cooked. I think you’d be happy with the ‘Federle Tomato’ variety for sauce, compared to the san marzano. They look like huge San Mazano tomatoes, with a pointy tip making them also look like giant red peppers. And they were very productive. I didn’t make them into a sauce, as I wanted to try the different italian variety tomatoes that I grew. -interesting fact about San Marzano tomatoes, if you didn’t know: It is often said San Marzano tomatoes are the required tomato for a neopolitan pizza. However, that is only partly true. There are three tomatoes that can be used. The pienolo del vesuvio, the corbarino, AND the san marzano. I think the San Marzano is the most ‘famous’ sauce tomato due to it being very productive, a high meat to water ratio, and easy to harvest using modern machinery. Even though it is said Italians favor flavor above all else, it appears that is not entirely true. At the end of the day, the dollar is the bottom line, and price and flavor need to be considered when growing and buying vegetables/fruits. The reason I grew the Federle Tomato is because i was living in West Virginia that year, and wanted to grow vegetable varieties from that area. There were a few from just that one state alone. Hillbilly, Mortgage Lifter, Bear Claw, and Federle are the ones I grew. Hillbilly was bicolor; red/orange and very tasty. Mortgage lifter was large red, but not very productive. Bear Claw was huge, but again not very productive, for me at least.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
As it happens, I have studied the guidelines for genuine Neapolitan pizza 😀 I built a wood oven so that I could make proper pizza and I have bought San Marzano tomatoes for them - I don’t think I can find the others here, though I grew some last year. I think the genuine item is pretty good as a canned tomato - they have a slightly different flavour from regular canned tomatoes. I suspect they benefit from the soil and environment in which they are grown and that is probably why results have been disappointing here. They are low in acidity which is handy for a sauce, especially when cooked down, but not so good when eaten fresh; perhaps that is part of the reason why you perceived them as a bit tasteless 🤷‍♂️ No doubt they are over hyped, though. They may be well suited to canning for various reasons, but since I’m not canning my tomatoes I have found other varieties that seem to do much better here and have great depth of flavour.
@johnporco599
@johnporco599 Жыл бұрын
Wish I had found this gem of a video years ago. I live in San Diego, CA. I’m a transplant from New York where my dad, his 2 brothers and all my other uncles grew tomatoes. Lots of tomatoes! One year my uncle Jim received some seeds from my grandmother in Ametea, Italy located on the west coast of Calabria. He quickly sowed them and became the undisputed champion tomato grower from then on. No one could come close to growing these monsters. One year (1961) his photo appeared in the local newspaper holding a 3-1/2 pound tomato. I was only 10 at the time so I never asked him for seeds but I still remember that fruit as he brought it around for all to see before he made sauce from it. No one ever got uncle Jim’s seeds. I suspect the Belmonte Calabrese is that tomato. I’ve noticed this tomato can have different shaped fruit on the same plant. His was a lobed shape. I’ve been able to get a few varieties featured in some of your videos but not the Belmonte. Out of stock they say. I’ll keep trying. Thank you for the walk down memory lane. 22:40
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Yes, the fruits of these old sorts are often quite variable - much more so than modern varieties, especially the hybrids, which tend to be very uniform. When hunting for the Belmonte tomato, it is worth noting that there are two different sorts that appear with this name. One is a costoluto type, much smaller with pronounced ribs - this one is not remarkable in any way, although it's a nice tomato. It is the other one that is lobe shaped, with wonderful flavour and texture, and can give huge fruit.
@gppgpz
@gppgpz 11 ай бұрын
I wondered if this tomato was a " belmonte " justseeds - tomato - page4 - tomato oxheart giant . I think theirs a chance it maybe
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 11 ай бұрын
It does look similar. I imagine they would have used the name if it was the same though 🤷‍♂️ Might be worth a try - could be a great tomato either way…
@gppgpz
@gppgpz 11 ай бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden I bought 200 seeds for £ 1.75 and will give them a go next season . I'm looking forward to seeing your next tomato update , hopefully you got the right belmonte plant off e-bay , I got the wrong one sadly . Thinking about crossing the rosa di sorrento with the oxheart seeds and couer di beu next season . I read online the belmonte is a cross between marmande and couer di bue
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 11 ай бұрын
Interesting. I hadn't heard that, but I did look it up and found an article with such a suggestion; the photo of the fruit does not look like either of the Belmonte tomatoes I am familiar with - neither the extraordinary large fruited sort that I like, or the 'costoluto'. There may be others with the same name.
@sunkobra
@sunkobra Жыл бұрын
Totally agree the best time to pick the larger varieties is when they’re still a little green.
@thefutureofgardening5912
@thefutureofgardening5912 5 ай бұрын
Dude i love your video. You went into so much detail about these fantastic varieties. I wish more videos like this existed.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 5 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! :)
@GordonjSmith1
@GordonjSmith1 2 жыл бұрын
Principe Borghese: We were not impressed - tough skin and not enough flavour to remind us why we grew it. But your 'taste test' really underlines what we have found, the larger 'meatier' tomatoes are really worth the effort. in our case we have a couple of 'black' or 'purple' ( I apologise I don't have the name to hand) plants and they are simply a delight of flavour and texture. As we discussed over our dinner, why should we grow 'round red things' when the supermarket does it better? Rather we should grow things we love that we can't find otherwise. Bravo you! My thanks for your sharing!
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
“Rather we should grow things we love that we can't find otherwise” - yes, I so agree with this 🙂 All three of the smaller sorts do have fairly thick skins. That might be what makes them well suited to preserving - some just get hung up for months! They are great cut in half and roasted though; we tend not to use them fresh - the larger ones are better for that. We tried an old German variety this year called Riesentraube (giant grape) - very nice for a small tomato (bit bigger than a typical cherry type) and with a pretty good old fashioned tomato taste. Thinner skins and very juicy. That one we have used quite a bit in salads. Produces really large trusses too - think I might grow that one again next year. We usually have at least one of the black or purple sorts every year (old varieties rather than the modern novelty things) - this year it is Black Krim and Black from Tula - you’re quite right, they do seem to have a wonderful rich flavour 😋
@chrisp5526
@chrisp5526 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy growing the canestrino di lucca, due to it’s mild taste. it lets the delicate flavors of certain cheese and olive oils to shine, where other strong tasting tomatoes would mute the cheese and olive oil
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
It’s on my list again for this year. A good all rounder, I thought, and very productive.
@Aigjis
@Aigjis Жыл бұрын
Green "shoulders" is caused by not enough potassium in the soil as well, not only genetics. Thank You, great video and thanks for sharing! Great to see another fan of old historical tomatoe varieties.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden Жыл бұрын
That is certainly a potential cause, although in this case it is quite characteristic of the variety. I love the old varieties though - they have so much flavour and character 😋
@neonewnowy
@neonewnowy Жыл бұрын
Overdosing nitrogen harms absorption of potassium 😉
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Only my brassicas get nitrogen rich feed - everything else is well balance :)
@ebenezercottagegarden
@ebenezercottagegarden 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this, I will add a couple of these to my 'to grow list' for next year
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear how you get on with them in due course :)
@ebenezercottagegarden
@ebenezercottagegarden 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden I think I will go for Belmote and Rosa di Sorrento. My family are from Puglia in the South of Italy so I think I will look up an heirloom variety from there too.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
They are great tomatoes - hope they do as well for you. I understand Puglia has a huge tomato production though I'm not sure whether I have grown anything from that region (I have seen Principe Borghese listed as coming from Puglia but I'm not entirely certain - I have had some difficulty pinning down its history) - I have more exploring to do :)
@ebenezercottagegarden
@ebenezercottagegarden 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden I know there are fantastic tomatoes from Puglia it's just about finding out what they are called. I have a great Polish variety that I think you would enjoy growing called Opalka. It's a cooking tomato that looks a little like a pepper. I'm not sure if you can get the seeds from the UK. I had my original seeds sent over from the USA. It is an heirloom variety. If you are interested I can send you some saved seed. I'm only keeping seed from the largest fruit.
@ebenezercottagegarden
@ebenezercottagegarden 2 жыл бұрын
I should also add that Opalka is a heirloom variety and not a hybrid so saved seeds works out quite well.
@RoseBornagain
@RoseBornagain 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. buon appetito.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
Grazie 😀
@chrisp5526
@chrisp5526 2 жыл бұрын
i love the video. Where did you get the pienolo seeds? i find photos of seeds online that show that pronounced nipple, but when I grew them, they did not have a very pointy tip.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
There seem to be several varieties that might go by that name. I got these from Tutto Semi and I really liked them - quite distinctive with their potato leaves and open growth habit. The ones I’m growing this year, from another supplier, are completely different 🤷‍♂️
@MrRussbros
@MrRussbros 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jonny, great video and I can only dream about the taste.😁 I saw your comments on Tony's channel and think you are probably correct re the adverse effects of constriction of the pots. especially as I am led to believe that the feeding roots come from higher up whereas the lower roots are predominately for water. Am I right in thinking that as these are open pollinated varieties that the seed can be saved? Thinking of genetics, will there be any influence from the fact that you grafted the plants this year stored in the seed for next year? Will you be saving any seed from some of your prize specimens this year, and if so would it be possible to try half a dozen? Obviously I'd be delighted to cover P&P etc.😊
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
I believe you are correct regarding the roots. I also think that if one is going to opt for a vigorous rootstock it makes sense to provide it with a rich compost and plenty of space. These are all open pollinated. There is no influence on the genetics from being grafted so these would be exactly as for non-grafted plants. I was planning to save seed this year, but I messed up. Cross pollination with tomatoes does not often occur, but it can do and I understand it is more likely with older varieties than with modern sorts due to the geometry of the flowers. So I had planned to bag some to ensure I get pure seed - and in fact I did bag some, but I left it too late and most of those I bagged did not develop. If you'd like to drop me an email (address is as the end of the video), if I do save anything (I may or may not at this stage) I'd be happy to send you some - I couldn't guarantee their purity though...
@Agui007
@Agui007 11 ай бұрын
Hello Jonny, this is a wonderful video of different Italian toms varieties and I'm still quite new to growing (four or five years) veg, tomatoes are my favourite. I love to grow the beefsteak tomatoes and your's look amazing!! Where do you purchase your seeds please?
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 11 ай бұрын
Some came from Seeds of Italy (such as Pantano - a reliable and tasty sort), others came from tuttosemi.com.
@Agui007
@Agui007 11 ай бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden Many thanks! good Italain tomatoes with sweetness and slight acidity (like the krim) are a must.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 11 ай бұрын
Yes indeed - that balance is the thing :)
@Agui007
@Agui007 10 ай бұрын
Have you ever grown the Albenga variety?@@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 10 ай бұрын
Yes, it's a decent sort. Better, I think, for culinary purposes than the salad. Not top of my list but definitely worth growing.
@oystein18
@oystein18 2 жыл бұрын
Ordered myself some belmonte seeds. Looks really tasty.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
I’m growing it again this year and I think it will be one of our regulars now - it’s a great tomato 😋
@dearpastorr
@dearpastorr 2 жыл бұрын
Please can you share where you bought the seeds from? Thank you so much x
@chrisp5526
@chrisp5526 2 жыл бұрын
great video. the corbarino variety you show do not look like corbarino, though. But corbarino are one of my favorite tasting sauce verities, for flavor.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
That’s interesting. I was expecting something a little different (a bit more pear shaped and possibly a bit larger) but when I looked into it a bit more, I found several different tomatoes labelled Corbarino. In the end I concluded (rightly or wrongly) that there must be a number of varieties from that area. 🤷‍♂️
@colinchick2692
@colinchick2692 2 жыл бұрын
I know you live in the south. Do you think that your italian tomato varieties would do as well in Mid Wales (in the greenhouse/polytunnel) or do they need better temperatures/sun than we can deliver
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t be entirely certain but I think they ought to be fine. You get slightly longer days in the summer but not by much, perhaps more cloud cover and generally lower mean temperatures, but in a greenhouse or polytunnel the temperatures are often higher than is ideal anyway (assuming it is well positioned). Apart from that one week of heatwave it has been a pretty miserable summer and they have done fine. There’s only one way to find out though! You could give one of them a try - I might be tempted to try either Canestrino di Lucca or Pantano (the latter is available from Seeds of Italy) as the non-grafted plants did fairly well. The best results came from the grafted plants.
@ebenezercottagegarden
@ebenezercottagegarden 2 жыл бұрын
Can I ask where you purchased you seeds for Belmonte, Rosa di Sorrento and Piennolo del Vesuvio please? I've tried looking online and a couple of garden centers but haven't had any luck yet. Thanks!
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
I bought that batch from Tuttosemi - but they wouldn’t ship to the UK this season 😕 I found Belmonte and Piennolo on eBay - shipped from Italy - took a while to arrive but they got here. Now hoping they germinate and are true to type - I should have saved some seed and plan to this time! 🤦‍♂️
@ebenezercottagegarden
@ebenezercottagegarden 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden I've just done the same off ebay. Hopefully they will get here before March. I think that's me sorted for tomato seeds now. I had hoped Franchi seeds would stock them.
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@hitchyourwagon4720
@hitchyourwagon4720 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, could you do a similar look at French varieties?
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea - I will try to remember to look into some more French varieties for next season. I have always liked St Pierre, although it didn't do so well for us last season so we dropped it this year. Marmande is a great tomato, though I think a bush type in its original form and I usually stick with cordons (I would pick an indeterminate strain this time).
@InnerLifePhotography
@InnerLifePhotography Жыл бұрын
@@jonnyskitchengarden In terms of taste, flavour and quality;How is cuor di beu tomato in comparison with brandy wine yellow tomato, saint Pierre tomato and san marzano tomato .??
@jonnyskitchengarden
@jonnyskitchengarden Жыл бұрын
That is a difficult question to answer as those are four quite different tomatoes. I have sown some yellow brandywine for the first time this year so I can't comment on its taste; the old pink brandywine, though, is an excellent tomato of its sort, with great flavour. The san marzano is primarily for culinary purposes and pretty poor for slicing or the salad. I know from genuine canned san marzano that they can be good, but they have never done particularly well for me. I imagine they miss the volcanic soil and heat of summer from their home environment. Saint Pierre is a good medium sized tomato; it looks fairly standard but has a decent flavour and works best for the salad I think. The cuor di bue is larger than saint pierre and probably the more versatile - it's good sliced, but also works well for cooking. You can expect a different flavour profile from yellow and red sorts, but any of the varieties you mention are good examples of their type, it's just hard to compare them directly. If I could only grow one of those, it would be an easy choice for me - the cuor di bue - but I'd be happy to grow any.
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