Hi Ron, Thanks a bunch for sharing your thoughts on the Vetrano - it's a hidden gem for sure! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage yep, quick mill was only really lacking in the aesthetics department, this one removes the ugly and keeps the good. Also, the steam wand stays notably cooler on this than on any of the 3 rockets I’ve owned that have all had no burn wands. I noticed quick mill has an extra silicone gasket on the inside of their steam tip that rocket does not have.

Hi! how long does it heat up after you turn it on?

Hi e, Thanks a whole latte for taking the moment to leave your comment- it’s appreciated! Marc

hahahaha

If you have to ask the price..........

Hey Felix, You are welcome and thanks for the comment! Marc

Hi DA, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Yes, very nice and great value! Marc

Hey PI, You are welcome and I appreciate your taking the time to leave a comment! Marc

Hey Orrin, Thanks for the kind comment and your activity in the comments over the years! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage your welcome Marc

Hey M J, For sure! Marc

Hi TA, I'm working on the video now. Hoped to have it up sooner but got sidetracked by some personal stuff. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc... Hope all is well. honestly hung up against Crem Profiler and the Lelit Bianca... been waiting for your video to drop to pull the trigger! :-)

Hi d, Thanks for the kind comment, question and sharing your love and thoughts on the Vetrano Design. Your good set to 9 bar with blank inserted. Rotary pump machines like yours have higher flow rates at a given pressure than a vibration pump machine which we typically set at 10 bar with a blank in. In all machines there's a slight difference, a drop of pressure from what's on the machine gauge and the actual pressure in the portafilter during an extraction. That's because the tap for the pressure gauge is behind a one way valve in the hydraulic system and it can flow more water than is released as espresso. You could try turning up the pressure to 10 on the machine gauge with blank inserted, pull a shot and see if you taste a difference - I doubt you will but only one way to find out. Marc

Of course! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question! I’ve been searching what pressure rotary pumps should be set at and this answers my question. I will leave it set at just above 9 bar since that’s what tastes best to me after trying 10 bar a while back, I had also experienced channeling at 10 bar than at just above the line at 9 bar. Keep up the phenomenal in depth reviews, you do an awesome job Marc!! as well as the entire staff at WLL!!

Hey Mongoose, Thanks for the comment and question. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Vetrano Design and Duo MN: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjU0MzAxMTI1MDIzMCwxNTQ2MDAxODc1MDAz Similar machines in many respects. Notes... Vetrano: Easier access to brew pressure adjustment, larger stainless steel boilers, simpler controls of PID. Duo: touchscreen control panel w/digital gauges, copper boilers, a little more complex under the hood, automatic pre-infusion cycle As to which I would prefer, it's a bit of a toss up. Slight edge to the Vetrano with the larger boilers and easy BP adjustment. Also, I have a minor aversion to touchscreen controls on a classic design espresso machine. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage It absolutely helped, thanks for the great detailed response!

Hi Ethan, Well, I do not have any for the Rubino but there's always hope. We worked directly with QM to get the Walnut. Marc

Hi AA, Thanks for the request - I'll see what I can do for a comparison video. In the meantime, here's a side by side spec comparison of the machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDgzMjYzMDYzNjU5OCwxNTQ1OTk3MzUzMDE5 I do have a bunch of existing videos on the Pro 700. Most recently is this extensive tour of internal components: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7GCistl1NbMd3k.html I don't know how long it will last but there are currently some special offers on both machines. Marc

Hi Luke, Thanks for the kind comment and website feature request! No wish list feature at this point but we do have AR which allows you to put many machines virtually on your own countertop - about as close to owning the machine without purchasing. Could always add products to a shopping cart without purchasing to keep track. Marc

Is it more expensive than a similar Rocket???

@@sandyd4271 do you prefer the look of the rocket?

@@LivingRad I actually do. I like the stealth mode of the Rocket machines, but they have very flashy prices 😅

@@sandyd4271 they are very sexy machines I have to admit! I’ve used the virtual thing that WLL has on their website with the appartamento and was obsessed with how it looks in my kitchen

You're welcome. I take no responsibility for missing body parts :) Marc

Hey TL, Thanks for the question. Yes, I'm working on that now. We are calling the machine the Crem One Profiler. LFPP is kinda bland! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc. appreciate it

Hey Bruce, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Hey D, Thanks for the kind comment. First, know that the Silvia and the Classic can last a lifetime. They are true machines and are very repairable if needed. Key to keeping them running well is feeding with good water to prevent scale deposits and/or descaling as needed. Both are single boiler machines so a little more involved to use. They are less temperature stable than more expensive machines with heat exchange or dual boilers and PID. When using a single boiler machine you cannot brew and steam simultaneously and must cool down the boiler after steaming. All that adds time and complexity to making milk-based espresso beverages. Entry into HX boiler machines starts a little less than double the price of a Silvia. The Profitec Pro 500 is an HX PID machine with exceptional build quality: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines/products/profitec-pro-500-pid-espresso-machine Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage and what machines would you recommend as an upgrade to my Rocket Cellini espresso machine?

Hi Frank, The version of the Vetrano we have, the Vetrano Design is something we worked with QM on to customize. That's why it's a little different than what you see on their site. Of the 3 machines my favorite is the ECM Synchronika. Internally the Synchronika and Pro 700 are essentially identical. They are made by the same company. While both have excellent external finishing the Synchronika is nicer. I like the custom taper of its E61 group, Gauges up high for easy viewing, angled portafilters and exquisite finishing detail like chrome tips on levers and handles. If you purchase the Synchronika or Pro 700 from us without flow control you can upgrade down the road. Marc

I chose the Quick Mill over the ECM for the easy access boilers, fully stainless steel chassis, easy access pump pressure adjustment vs on the bottom and brass fittings vs the plastic ones on the ECM. Also didn’t love the zip tied capacitor on the ECM.

Hi j, Thanks for the comment. Yes, many similarities across models of a single manufacturers machines. Marc

Hi David, Thanks for the comment and question. All 3 machines have rotary pumps so are very quiet - not much difference in sound level between them. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks

Hey Andrew, It does save some space. It's an appliance which packs in a lot of features! Marc

Hi PR, If fed with water that can cause scale any boiler regardless of metal type will scale. While copper was the traditional material for boilers I believe advances in manufacturing and materials made stainless boilers more practical. Stainless boilers can be descaled so there's no hidden agenda. Urnex which is the most well known descaling product manufacturer for coffee machines advises all of their descaling products are good to use in stainless boilers. For aluminum boilers they advise limiting contact time to 20 minutes when using their citric acid based descaling products. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you, Marc!

Hi A, Thanks for the question. I think it's unlikely you'll see lever retrofit for the Pro 700. Sister company ECM has levers on the Synchronika which is essentially identical to the Pro 700 under the hood. As far as the FC... not every user wants it> Marc

And maybe also the rocket 58. Keep up the good work.

Hey FK, Thanks for the comments and request. I do not have a video with the machines side by side but here's a link to a side by side spec comparison: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjU0MzAxMTI1MDIzMCwyMDM4MTQ2NzI3OTkw And here's a link to my video covering the Pro 700: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/optkrJCQu97DpKc.html They are similar machines but I give an edge to the Pro 700 with its higher steaming power and currently available from us with a free flow control upgrade. Here's my video covering the R Cinquantotto (formerly R58): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtCardpo0LOnhWQ.html Hope that helps! Marc

Thanks! I would be very disappointed if you were not #1!!! Marc

Hi Paul, Thanks for the question. The machines are very close in component quality. I've always been a fan of ECM design but think in this case it comes down to your style preferences. With proper care and maintenance both machines should be very reliable. Marc

Hey BAD EV, Thanks for the question. We have tested the flow control on Rocket machines w/E61 group and it works! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Marc 🙏

Hi Mike, Main differences are the design has joystick levers on steam and hot water valves and wood trim on those levers, group lever and portafilters. Marc

Hi Conor I also habe the Gaggia classic pro in combination with a Eureka Specialità. You would probably also get good espresso with less than that but I think its better to have a better grinder than your machine... I know that many recommend the Baratza 270wi for the gaggia but in my opinion it’s better to spend a bit more and get the Eureka (what I did). Enjoy your coffee ☕️💪 Sandy

If you want a more affordable great quality grinder try the Rok GRINDER GC (hand grinder) I did a review on my channel

I have a GCP and recently sold my Vario and got a Eureka Silenzio. Would second Sandy's comment and recommend a Silenzio/Specilita. The infinite grind adjustment is great and it's a good looking grinder too.

Hey Conor, @Sandy D gives good advice. Grind is critical. Specialita is a good grinder and built a heck of a lot better than the SGP. But you get what you pay for. I've used the SGP in the past. It's def appliance grade with lots of (nearly all) plastic, clumpy grind at espresso sizes, rather slow and limited in precision of grind size adjustment. Sette is appliance grade as well and has some wear parts. That said we currently use one daily on the bar in the studio. It's weight based grinding is magical. Grind is fluffy and well distributed, it's very fast and kinda loud. It's also susceptible to static - particularly when new and when used in low humidity. It will eventually wear out but Baratza has great support and a fixed price repair program if you need it. Over in the lab I use a Ceado E37S when working with new machines. It's the grinder sitting next to the Vetrano Design in this video. It's big $$ but will likely still be grinding when I'm in the ground :) Grinder choice depends on your expectations, budget and future plans. If you can do without time based grinding and it's in your budget IMO the Ceado E5P is the best bang for the buck with 64mm flat burrs, excellent distribution into PF, precise stepless grind size adjustment and build quality that's better than the competition. Marc

@Sandy D, Thanks for sharing - good advice! Marc

Hi Shane, The drip tray is 11.25"W x 6.25"D - measurement does not include front and side bars surrounding removable drip tray surface. Clearance between drip tray surface and tips of portafilter spouts is 3.4" Marc

Hi MZ, I have not used that machine so am not familiar with it's OPV control. But, I believe (unless a different model) the machine uses a rotary pump. Brew pressure on rotary pump machines are usually adjusted on the pump itself. The adjustment in many rotary pump machines is found underneath the machine or sometime adjustment is at back of machine. Typically adjusted using a screwdriver. If you want to adjust you'll need a blind basket in your PF, then turn on pump like you were pulling a shot and turn the adjustment to a reading of 9 bar on the brew pressure gauge. But I think it's more likely your grind quality causing troubles. That grinder is below capabilities I'd recommend for that level of machine. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Hello Marc! Thanks a lot for your time to reply to my comment, I really appreciate it :) I followed your advice and got a grinded coffee from a coffee shop near to my home and it was ok and no coffee grounds were found :) Thanks again

Hey y, Thanks for the catch! Had a card link in video. Links updated in video description. Marc

Hi m, Well, Rocket may get a bit of a premium for their branding.

Hey Albert, Well, here's a link to a spec comparison of the machines and current pricing: /pages/compare?products=NDgzMjYzMDYzNjU5OCwxNTQ1OTkwODY0OTU1 If it's a Synchronika with flow control that's what I would choose. Especially if not plumbing the machines. But it does cost more. There are aesthetic details of both machines which appeal to me but that's subjective. I really like the subtle touches on the Synchronika like the slight taper to the group head, angled PF handle, gauges up high on the face and the PID display which blends into the face. On the Vetrano Design I like how the drip tray sits between the lower case frame elements which are seamless front to back. Also like the boiler drains and easy access to brew pressure adjustment. If you take flow control out of the mix there's no reason to think one would make a better espresso than the other. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Great detailed overview video, Marc. To add to the earlier question about comparing this to the ECM Synchronika, do you think one is more likely to last longer than the other based on build quality or brand reputability?

@@ianpollack8888 Thanks for the comment and question. No doubt ECM has excellent reputation for build/finish quality and reliability. I've been using ECM machines for nearly a decade now so have a lot of experience with them. Have not had nearly as long using QM machines but looking at components under the hood everything is good. IMO once manufacturers get to a base level of quality long-term reliabilty has a lot to do with the end user. Feeding a machine good water, backflushing etc and doing regular maintenance go a long way to keeping things running smoothly. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage I have a heat exchanger QM that dates to before the Andreja Prem. It was imported by a local distributor. I had to replace the boiler immediately, I was the second owner - first was a local Italian deli - but given the price I paid it was well worth it. I just replaced the vibration pump last year (~15 years on the original). I added flow control to it and everything works great. It helps that I use the proper water. So my take is QM has great build quality and would not sacrifice that on this dual boiler machine.

Hey D CASH, Wait a second... with a name like that you need a monthly payment plan? :) Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage you would think! But when it comes to espresso, the cost keeps going up 😍

Here it is: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNylZcVlytCqgXk.html And this put up this Crema Wave video yesterday in which we meet the roaster and learn more about the coffees used in the blend: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/epmAq5eCztKpZY0.html Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you!

Side note I was wondering if I could adjust the pressure on my apartamento without voiding my warranty?

Hey smile, Thanks for the request. When we get one you'll get it. My understanding is changes are aesthetic only with no functional impact. Marc

Hi Paul, Thanks for the question. Tough call - might be an aesthetic choice. If not plumbing perhaps the Infuser as you can still do the gradual soft pre-infusion from reservoir. The Vetrano is a more traditional build while the Crem employs newer materials like a poly-carbonate frame base. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage When are we getting a profiler video?

Well, wish I could! Will definitely keep making the vids😀 Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage well. then I at least have an coffee on you when i visit you. best wishes from Austria

Hi ML, Thanks for the comment. The Synchronika is a class act - perhaps the best DB prosumer level machine available. It's also just few more $$. Marc

Hi Mark, Current pricing here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/quick-mill-vetrano-design-espresso-machine Marc