Saint-Saëns: Tone Poems; Bacchanale from "Samson and Dalilah"; The Carnival of the Animals; L'Assassinat du duc de Guise (film score). Les Siècles, François-Xavier Roth (cond.) Harmonia Mundi (2 CDs)
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@musicianinseattle7 ай бұрын
Thank you, Dave, for succinctly explaining that a slower tempo that allows details to be heard actually seems faster than a quicker one in which details turn to mush. Many young musicians could benefit from this golden chunk of wisdom.
@OuterGalaxyLounge7 ай бұрын
Can we appreciate that Dave went out back of the shed to grab some shears to play music with? Your videos are getting funnier all the time.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I keep them in my hall closet, just in case.
@mike-williams7 ай бұрын
When he says he's "hedging" his reviews, expect the unexpected.
@leestamm31877 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide Keep them sharp, like your wit. Unrelated question: Years ago on Classics Today, you reviewed the Faletta/Buffalo recordings of Tyberg. Haven't yet seen anything on the KZfaq channel about him that I recall. Maybe in the next group of 20th century composers?
@ericleiter61797 ай бұрын
"Where there are differences...everything that came later was an IMPROVEMENT."...You put this particular HIP practice in its place with that one line in my opinion!
@horacenyc4927 ай бұрын
I was SO guilty of that sanctimony, once upon a time. The turning point was Gardiner's recording of the Symphonie Fantastique with the ORR. I had not long before read Barzun's "Berlioz and the Romantic Century," and it just didn't make sense how someone so forward-looking as Berlioz could want his music stuck in a particular point in time. In fact, I find it hard to imagine that most great composers would say something like "No, no, no. Do NOT use those new instruments, with their greater dynamic range and expressive power, on MY music." Just doesn't make sense.
@EgoSumAbbas8207 ай бұрын
There are a number of violinists and cellists who perform post-Classical period concertos and chamber music on older instruments that combine 18th-century craftsmanship with the latest developments in string and bow technology. It seems to me at that point, the dividing line between "period" and "modern" gets a little blurry.
@maxhirsch70357 ай бұрын
I'm anxiously awaiting Xavier Roth's release of period-accurate renditions of John Adams' early works from the 1980s- who knew that the orchestras of that time had such a different tonality from those of today? Nowadays we're quite in the dark about what the composer would have wanted concertgoers to hear on those seminal compositions.
@ftumschk7 ай бұрын
I'm particularly looking forward to Roth's reconstruction of the original sketches of Adams' works "Nixon in California" and "Doctor Dynamite".
@maxhirsch70357 ай бұрын
@@ftumschk Yes, but why not all of 'em? Roth obviously wants to expand his niche.
@alisonkasperian51177 ай бұрын
I played Bacchanale in the district orchestra last year as a clarinet and I really enjoyed playing it. It was very challenging at first, but all of the practice I put in paid off. Also, that was the first time I heard castanets-which made me make the connection of the instrument to sexy music 😆.
@curseofmillhaven10577 ай бұрын
Just compare Charles Dutoit's Philharmonia Phaéton on Decca - Dutoit's is splendidly paced, superbly played and recorded and suitably apocalyptic at its climax. Roth's, as suggested, sounds merely rushed with clipped phrasing and a climax as potent as a neutered dog.
@goonbelly58417 ай бұрын
Roth and Les Siècle should do Rimsky-Korsakov next.
@barryguerrero64807 ай бұрын
. . . complete Mahler and Bruckner - with ALL of the versions and editions (Bruckner).
@jensguldalrasmussen64467 ай бұрын
A scathing review! From your description of 'Le Carnaval des Légumes' it sounds as if the swan had turned into an ugly duckling...🫨
@NickZwar7 ай бұрын
Camille Saint-Saëns's "Le Carnaval des animaux" is a piece I know since early childhood. I loved the piece as a child, had records o(on cassette tape) of it, and we even listened and discussed this in music lessons in elementary school. I've heard a number of recordings of it, and admit, I still love the piece. It is fun, it pokes fun, and it should be fun. I recently heard François-Xavier Roth's recording of it. I approached it with some trepidation, as indeed: what is the point of a "period" performance of a piece that came about when the modern day symphony orchestra was already established. No doubt the HIP movement has produced some wonderful recordings, and especially in Baroque music the results have often been fascinating, even if you are not a "purist" (which I certainly am not) who believes the music must sound like "back then". But a "period" piece of a composition already written for "today's" instruments? Indeed, what's the point, because everything since then has just become "better"? That said, and this introduction was needed: I love François-Xavier Roth's performance of "Le Carnaval des animaux" (the only piece of this recording I have heard so far). Every nuance of playing is sharply edged, the recording is like a flashlight, shining spotlights onto the various instruments playing in the chambersized orchestra, I found the recording vibrant and full of flair. It may not be to everyone's liking, fair enough, but I think it's one of the most exciting recordings of that piece I have heard in a while. I had lots of fun listening to this.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
See if it stays that way. What I see in your comments is the "thrill of the different." I may be wrong, of course, and you may continue to enjoy those differences, but if you comments about the performance (which I largely agree with) I notably miss any mention of "fun." There are many chamber versions of this piece that offer the same clarity and bite, but also manage to project the individual character of these delightful vignettes far more effectively.
@NickZwar7 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide The "thrill of the different" may well play into it, I'm not denying that. I'm susceptible to that. Still, I did find the Roth recording a lot of fun. I originally bought it for the film score (which may be musically inconsequential, but since I've only read about it but never heard it, I needed a recording in my collection), which I haven't even listened to yet. Sure, there are other wonderful versions of ""Le Carnaval des animaux", I'm not even suggesting this is a "first choice". And I am also sure you have way more in your collection than I do. But, at least for me, it was a good choice to add this recording to my collection.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Fair enough.
@NickZwar7 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide By the way, my actual favorite version of Saint-Saens "Carnival of the Animals" may be the version conducted by Neeme Järvi on Chandos (with Lortie und Mercer), which you seem to like a lot as well.
@jeffheller6427 ай бұрын
Curious what you think of the Dutoit set of SS's tone poems on Decca. Also, when oh when is Brilliant going to come out with a complete SS chamber works, to compliment their fine 6-CD orchestral works? Can't think of a more ripe for issue set!
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Dutoit is very good.
@bbailey78187 ай бұрын
Roth sounds like the poster boy for B.H. Haggin's First Law. You cant keep a bad man down. But as to good men, I hope you'll soon do a video on Brusilow and the Chamber Symphony of Philadelphia complete RCA recordings box. There are some real gems there. Also, of course, he was the concertmaster of the Philadelphia Orchestra under Ormandy in most of the Columbia stereo recordings just released.
@jb1980ist7 ай бұрын
You consider doing a video on contemporary composers? I enjoy Liebermann, Puts, Rouse, etc.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I've done hundreds.
@rook_wood7 ай бұрын
One of your funniest videos. Love it. 'Keep on laughing!' should also be on your top
@Brandon556387 ай бұрын
I agree. His jokes and fake review videos are absolutely hilarious!
@MrEye22tiger7 ай бұрын
I was surprised to see that this group has actually recorded music by ligeti on harmonia mundi...ligeti is one of the best 20th century composers and i wonder if you planned on giving us your thoughts on this one?
@madrigal19567 ай бұрын
Fun to watch (as often)! However (to paraphrase a famous youtuber), I was wondering if there was not some point in period instruments for French music of the late XIXth and early XXth centuries. Timpani, or at least timpani sticks, were not the same, and above all French wind instruments, specifically reeds, specifically bassoons, were not the same. A French basson does not sound like a German fagott, which is almost universally used today, even in France (not at the Orchestre National de France, nor, I think, at the Orchestre national de l'Opéra). French basson players would not accept the idea that the fagott is better! Well... just a suggestion.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
The difference between instruments is not as important the people who play them.
@poturbg86987 ай бұрын
Those 1950s Cluytens recordings of the Paris Conservatoire Orchestra do have different-sounding winds and brass. Those *are* "original instruments," but with a better conductor.
@rogergersbach33007 ай бұрын
On a related note, The Grammy nominations for best Orchestral Performance have come out. It must be a weak year. One of the nominees is Price/Dawson from Philadelphia. Having listened to this Album on KZfaq, I'm not sure it deserves nominating. Both Jeter and Stokowski, if not better recorded, have more verve than Yannick Nézet-Séguin can provide. Still waiting for the definitive Florence Price 4th Symphony.
@davidleeson57517 ай бұрын
I always enjoy it when you denounce a CD from Hell. But I have to say--once I was done chuckling at "you can't have sex without castanets," this review left me scratching my head. I streamed this album, and I thought it was fine. So, I will check out the version from Ormandy and Philadelphia, and hopefully, I will hear what I'm missing. In the meantime--keep on striking down those musical Phaetons with your critical thunderbolts!
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I have no doubt that you will hear what you are missing.
@martinhaub68287 ай бұрын
Maybe someone can answer this: in Carnival of the Animals, the aquarium movement - does Roth have a real, genuine glass harmonica or use a glockenspiel or synth as a substitute? The real, Ben Franklin invented instrument is so ethereal, but there aren't too many glass harmonicas out there.
@JackJohnsonNY7 ай бұрын
This was just named an Editor’s Choice recording by Gramophone. This is not a surprising discrepancy
@howard52597 ай бұрын
I have no problem with period instruments. Far more important, though, is period performance. That is, I want to imagine the composer might be in the room listening to a performance with the right excitement, vigour and feeling, with a big smile and a hug for the conductor and players at the end. The right catgut isn't going to cut it.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Like I said...
@howard52597 ай бұрын
Yes... just agreeing. I usually do!@@DavesClassicalGuide
@AlexMadorsky7 ай бұрын
This Thanksgiving, I am grateful for not being on the receiving end of a Missa Brissa. Mercifully I don’t remember much from the time I was eight-days old. Despite being a huge HUP man (historically uninformed performances,) I do actually like a few FX Roth recordings. I’ll skip streaming this though. The CS-S tone poems are a wonder and shouldn’t be chastely diminished like this.
@jgesselberty7 ай бұрын
Howling. "Less lubricated bachanale."
@davidgoulden59567 ай бұрын
Yes. Very funny line!
@barryguerrero64807 ай бұрын
Hmmmm . . . Perhaps Leroy Anderson's "Typewriter" could be transcribed for your hedge clippers (?). Regardless, I couldn't possibly agree more with your assessment and summation of F-X. Roth. There just isn't anything there.
@LyleFrancisDelp7 ай бұрын
Dave, I'm with you here. As long as the performance is great, instruments don't matter so much. A case in point (for me anyways) is Roy Goodman's Planets. I find the instrumental colors in the winds and brass fascinating, and well...Goodman leads a darned good Planets! But still, would it be much different had he been standing in front of the London Philharmonic. Yeah...a bit, but still, it would be Goodman's Planets.
@isqueirus7 ай бұрын
Neeme Jarvi has a similar recording with Saint Saens orchestral works, with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra wich I like very much. Far superior to Les Siécles.
@respighi37 ай бұрын
Query: If J.S. Bach could return and hear his keyboard music played on a modern Steinway or pipe organ instead of a harpsichord ("A-B it", so to speak), which would he prefer? Impossible to know, of course, but I tend to believe he would choose the modern instruments. Correct again, Dave--- modern instruments and the musicians who play them are at the apex of performance (and getting better). Most of us don't give a rip how Bach/Vivaldi/Telemann et al would have heard it "in their time". Personally, I prefer to hear it how it sounds best (subjective though that may be).
@robhaynes44107 ай бұрын
This popped up on the Presto Music app last Friday as the featured album of the week. I listened to the first minute of Phaéton & shut it off. Utterly pointless. Recordings are a zero-sum game. If HM are recording Roth & Les Siecles, they're not recording other artists.
@artistinbeziers79167 ай бұрын
Saint-Saëns on period instruments, sounds like a recipe for watery soup - which is no doubt what this collection is! I'm not a fan of 'period instruments' in general.
@Warp757 ай бұрын
No me neither beziers
@jesus-of-cheeses7 ай бұрын
Roth should burn in Mordor. It’s good to see Saint-Saëns having a moment though.
@Eric-ch9yu7 ай бұрын
All my Roth albums are disappointments, I have his second "fantastique", his "sacre du printemps", his "tableaux d'une exposition" and Bizet's symphony.
@bigg29887 ай бұрын
Uh-oh, "A Dogged Carnival of the Animals" is enough to engender unease... I also sometimes wonder why people do something that they do not have affinity for. To openly warn you - this is a singularly UGLY caricature of Saint-Saens on the cover! Not a sight I would like to lay my eyes on often. Or at all. How does THAT represent the music or the intent of the performers?
@cloudymccloud007 ай бұрын
Stop The Roth!
@davidgoulden59567 ай бұрын
You're as funny as Larry David sometimes, Dave. You regularly have my missus shaking with laughter - and she is not one of nature's great laughers!