Pakistan was growing better than India intialy not because Pakistanis were doing great it was because American and British pouring money into it. Asian Tiger 🐯 is just a name given to appease people and top leadership.

Story of pakistan: 1. Land from india 2.religion from arab(converted) 3.punjabi speaking urdu from india 4. Role model gauri , gaznavi ,mughal, bin laden, 5.national song in farsi 6. Favourite show turkish. My grandmother's age is more than pakistan .

Watching from India because we always get some critical analysis of our Country from your side. Beg to differ from Amin’s views where he justifies huge expenditure on your Military to counter perceived threat from India. In fact majority of Indians view Akhand Bharat a myth. Our PM is on record stating “we don’t want this to happen because India will then become a Muslim majority country “( with all the tragic consequences like your country is facing now). Pakistan is not of any relevance to us. Right now our priority is Development & to compete with China and play our rightful role in World affairs.

Thanks to Dr Hoodbhoy for injecting sanity and candor into the discussion. This speaker seems to have huge blinkers.

Early 1960 pakistan was called Asian Tiger by looting resources and foreign export revenue from East Bengal and systemetically made east bengal as 2nd poorest part of the world and burden of pakistan because bengal & people of bengal never treated as equal but bengal was treated as a colony of pakistan.

My mother In law family were living in big house and they lost everything including jewellery and had returned to India. His father carried the one musical instrument. they were asked to leave behind everything otherwise they will be killed.

Professor Hoodbhoy was praising India's school pedagogy whereas many in India think we have a long path to cover in inculcating true levels of critical thinking. I wonder what is taught in Pakistani schools!

It's really surprising to see the poor quality of intelligentsia in Pakisatan. May God help that country from such people.

Pakistan is the result of the same fascism, speaker describing so passionately. Khitte Ki Poori Pahchaan Hi Badal Di, Tabhi To Pakistan Bana Tha.

The physicist in scholarly Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy shines through. His kind of intellect is possible only through scientific education. He is brutally honest when he discusses his experiences in India. There is no comparison between the two counties. Thank you for constantly brutally busting your guest’ false narrative regarding India.

Pervez hoodbhoy nailed it by calling pakisatani army for all the problems they are facing. It needs sheer guts to talk against the army.

Condition of minorities in India: Oh! so bad. It makes me sad. Condition of minorities in China: Oh! China brought 700M out of poverty.

I understand Pakistanis have to maintain an anti-India bias but this is the most superficial speaker, I have listened to in this series.

I am 16yrs old from Nagpur , Maharashtra 🇮🇳🍁 I love to watch this channel 😄 😀 ❤ ( Why you have to be Anti India to potray yourself as Pakistani ? Modi Ji is the best pm )

@ 01:35:00 I 'm an Indian. But, thank you Dr Parvez for being so magnanimous to the spirited Schoolteacher. You did what a true Guru from our common ancient culture would do.

Son: Dad what is Hypocrisy? Dad: 1. Hypocrisy is when 90% of a community votes in 1946 for creating pakistan but do not migrate to pakistan in 1947. 2.Hypocrisy is when 75% according to Pew Research Centre want sharia law but call themselves secular.

Mr. Narendra Modi's populism is based on his own untiring work for the betterment ofindian population, is based on his belief of our long standing ancestry & civilisation & most of all his non corrupt governance.All these points makes him a popular leader. His stature on world political arena is also increasing day by day.

China is a role model and India is going towards fascism.... 😂😂😂😂😂

Yes modi is rewriting indias history which should have written before u better concern with your own country

Most critics of India are from outside the country, apart from the opposition of course. These critics just do not know anything about the country. India has 1.4 billion people! About 20% are Muslims who generally happen to do much much better than the Muslims of Pakistan. There are no fights or killings of Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, or other offshoots of Islam. Hindus per se are secular by build. If they had the same thought process of a Muslim, there wouldn't be any Muslims left in India. You see the point?

The listeners raised some very pertinent questions. All the honest answers came from Professor Hoodbhoy. The responses from Mr. Hashwani were those which he has mugged up as part of his narrative. This inspite of his claims to be in favour of critical thinking!

The speaker displays severe cognitive dissonance at every level. 1. Anchoring the Pakistani identity to 1947. The degree of myopia and the sheer disregard of human history and cultural efflorescence in this assumption is stunning. 2. The constant value judgement of India. Calling India a fascist state, while sitting in a country that actually cleansed its minorities and teaches Islamic Supremacism in its school textbooks. And, in the same breath, admiring another fascist state China that has also subjugated and cleansed every kind of identity that does not conform with the Han Chinese identity. 3. He conveniently calls America and Israel as occupiers that would not allow the status quo to alter. All the while not questioning what Muslims are doing in the subcontinent. Did they migrate into the land? Were they refugees? No, the Muslims are occupiers of equal calibre, if not of a worse kind. The Jews and the Europeans in America at least brought their women with them, rather than ravaging the womenfolk of this traumatized land. 4. "Scandinavian countries are more Islamic than Pakistan", "Women Rights are paramount in Islam", What??? And these statements were quoted several times unchallenged. Maybe that is the cool-aid they are selling in Pakistan. While the real Muslim in Scandinavia dreams of Sharia. Even the fountainhead of Islam, Saudi, is steadily moving away from this ideology. These are some that I could retain. But, overall his rationality is marred with blatant erroneous facts (some that Mr. Hoodbhoy rectified) and he is unwilling to even acknowledge them. Maybe, in this time of sheer crisis one should remove themselves from their current identity and start looking the situation a priori. At least get down from the high horse and introspect humbly. But, it seems rock bottom is yet to arrive. I was expecting some depth in the title "Back to our Roots". Apparently, these roots don't go very deep, neither does anyone want to explore them. However, the impending storm is an unprecedented one. Feel sad for the powerless masses in this land. Unending suffering since a millennia and even more so within the last 75 years. One should not be pessimistic, but this is a decade of consequence. I would advise the Indian Government to prepare the western border to deal with the refugee outflow when it happens.

Pervez is brutally honest sometimes

Even black hole viewers are indian🇮🇳🇮🇳...... The participants don't watch, no one made any comments in this session

99% of the talk by Amin was critical of Pakistan’s political parties, society and establishment. His one passing comment about India has generated 99% of the reaction on this link….all negative and all from India. And the negativity is not only about his comments, but also about Pakistan, it’s people, and it’s religion! His Rumi comment about changing oneself equally appropriate for India as well.

The speaker does not rate the delivery of promises by PM Modi. Therein lies the problem of his analysis. He has not only delivered on his political promises but also delivered on raising the bar of food security of the poor, increasing economic development, inclusion of women and marginalized in the economic process. One of his successes is bringing Jammu & Kashmir into the mainstream administrative realm. He has delivered. While it may not be palatable to some, the country at large accepts his delivery of what he promises. As they say, Modi hai to mumkin hai. People see this as happening. While there has been no leader in Pakistan who has delivered thus, I understand that it would be difficult for them to comprehend this.

If pakistan revert Hindu, peace will be restored immidiately.

I like how Hoodboy sir has kinda taken over the stage when he realizes the main speaker was kind of steering away from the truth and tried to present stuff in broad strokes completely grazing away from the actual topic which is to go back to the roots.

1:26:00 Dr. Hoodbhoy is such a gem. He is a National treasure and I wished he was Indian. He is trying to change the mindset that has been corrupted by 70 years of islamisation with his brilliance and brutal honesty. I really wish to hear him in person one day.

Now I fully understand why Major Gaurav arya calls pakistanis a “jahil quam”, even the so called intellectuals and business man like Mr amin calls indian government a fascist , shows a lot about pakistanis. How barely he touches the minority treatment in pakistan just to say that india is treating its minorities bad. I don’t think he has the qualities as said by Mr parvez. India is reclaiming its past glory ., Guys get your acts together.

I think from Dr.Hoodbhoy's expression that he is grinning and bearing it. Am sure he is already deeply regretting inviting this guy.

Are we all hindu? Because this region belongs to hindus and you can see most surname are hindu ?

Pakistan is an Islamic republic. It's citizens are often asked not to question the country's working culture quoting reference of their religious scriptures. Common people do not know about their rights of equality, freedom, education, constitutional remedies, right against exploitation and freedom of speech granted in a true democracy. Otherwise, people would have reformed this country long back through effective criticism.

Black Hole is incomplete without Tarek Fatah, Tahir Gora, Hamid Bashani, Afaq Farooqi, Hussain Haqqani.

Dr Sahib it is always a pleasure to hear your sane view and lonely voice. May God bless you with good health and long life.

🙂 How India is becoming a fascist state ??? Present some figures. Is retaliating to pak's terror activities makes India a fascist state ??

Comment about India being intolerent in recent times is misleading...There is no fascism here...we are living happily here...The problem with Pakistan analyst is only this when they try to criticize Pakistan, they just take the name of India for the sake of criticism. There is no comparision between us...

Dr. Hoodbhoy jaise genius aur zamin se jude log agar ek sath aaye to Pakistan ki tarakki hokar rahegi..

In his view secularism as anti Islam is bad, and the same happening in India where people are practising their identity is anti secularism and fascism. Hypocrisy of these so called intellectuals in Pakistan is no less harm to Pakistani society.

1:03:30 Salute you sir for telling truth 🙏🇮🇳 Just stop terrorism

Not impressed with the speaker. He is simply doing a plain criticism of system like some Pakistani youtube channels do. I don't see him showcasing "Back to the Roots"

Pakistanis don't have guts to critisize PRC, KSA and UAE... these countries are neither secular nor democracratic.

India also lift up 300 million people from poverty last 16 years

The main problem in Pakistan is dual citizenship.. And no one raise this ques on any platform... I think its just bcz abt 99% of intellectuals of Pakistan have dual citizenship... Means they already have a backup plan if Pakistan fails.... Means while taking others country's citizenship they are already knowing that Pakistan is a failed state for them... But even after that they have the audacity to talk about nationalism... Back to our roots... What does even it means... That's also the problem they don't have any roots..

I have seen lot of Parvez hoodboy programs in KZfaq,,, I admire him for his frank and sinciere and open approach,,,, But I am afraid he is aganist 2 big wall's Islam on one side and western liberal utopia He is fascinated by India and Nehruviam model But he dosent seem to know much abt indian real cultural values,,,,he sees india in a Nehruviam lens,,, Best of luck Pervezji,,, I admire your courage I am sceptic,,,

You can't be a successful Industrialist or businessman in Pakistan without sucking up to the Establishment.

Dear Dr. Prevez, I'm from India and quite regularly watch the discussions on The Black Hole. To be frank, I never found you as candid about your views on India Pakistan relationship as in this debate. I'm not impressed because I am an Indian and you spoke in favour of India. The thing is, you spoke truth and that too quite bluntly. Pakistan's biggest problem is its obsession with Islam coupled with its belief that all kafirs are inferior. It's okay to love your religion, but to have a feeling of contempt towards other religions is unacceptable. I ❤your statement that Hindus are aboriginals of this land. I pray that more sane voices like you come up in Pakistan; as that would go a long way in making your country prosperous and peaceful. Amen!!

Bharath that is india is going to emerge.. don’t need to worry for us..

Jai Modiji !! Jai BJP !! Jai Hind !! Jai Shankar

In 1960's Pakistan is not an Asian tiger, but Punjabis riding on Bengal tigers. Once those tiger found a way out, they were riding on donkeys thinking that it can substitute the lost Bengal tigers.

I disagree with Hoodbhoy sahab on one point -- that Kashmir/India is the ONLY reason for an oversized Army... What about Afghanistan? The fact is that majority of the Afghans believe their "territory" extends to Attock, near Islamabad 😁 Pakistan's LEGITIMATE "existential threat" is not India, but actually Afghanistan...!!

No discussion on the roots...just time pass discussion....

It's a fallacy to say that Pakistan was ever an "Asian tiger". It never had a manufacturing or technology base compared to its size. It was always agrarian with large landholders - no land reform was ever undertaken. Instead, Pakistan always pushed it's strategic location right from Jinnah onwards for which It was richly but sporadically rewarded. Those rewards made it appear successful and prosperous. Right now, that income stream has dried up and you can see the results. One more thing. Modi is a nationalist. He is not a populist. That's a completely incorrect reading. Indians vote for Modi because he performs and because he works hard for his country.

I've seen this time and again ..various speakers daemonizing modi...but the fact is no history books have been changed. In-fact thats the main complaint for various associate parties ..that he hasnt changed the history books !! And FYI our history textbooks are Delhi centric , which needs to change..india is not delhi and delhi is not india.

This is a great example of why the doctor is so different from the usual Pakistani intellectuals. Hats off to the clarity of his thought process.

Fascinating discussion. The gentleman in check shirt made a critical/vital comment. It is a criminal act to teach children that death is the aim of life!

Question: Given the education deficit of last few decades, do you think Pakistan's intellects have will capability to follow your advise to make change and revive it's society? I heard that with mass migration of educated class/young in last few years, is there hope? Thanks.

It's sad to see the number of attendees... It's what a Pakistani is.... Even in India we have such politics.... But go on Sir With your discussion..we are with you and .... Whatever... Keep on going Sir..,.

He said Pakistan was called the Asian tiger. Did anybody ask , WHY was Pakistan called Asian tiger? He did not speak about any statistics. So which were your within top 100 ranking universities of the world? What were your top exports? Did you setup major tech companies, automobile companies, pharmaceutical companies, what exactly made you Asian tiger?

14:47 The guest is sad seeing India losing its secularism.. Why avoid you Iron Brother.. what are its credentials?

Listened to this at 2x speed. Even after 50 minutes, bhai ne saari taraf raita faila lakha hai. Polar bears aur melting ice caps bhi mention kar do.

Exactly WHAT were you Pakistanis in 1947 dear Hashwani sahab? - i.e your "roots"? Your identity? You were "Not Indians" - THAT is the REAL thing that unites you all 😁

Please name a book that Jinnah read or wrote. Forget a book, name an opinion piece Jinnah published in a newspaper. This is the root cause of Pakistani nation problems. No vision, borrowed fake identity and false sense of superiority complex. This is the primary problem of Pakistan. Only Pervez makes sense and is truthful.

so called Asian tiger 🐅

Modi has changed India which is why it has the best economic prospect according to the IMF. It was the previous Congress that led by emotion and became a dud. Thank God India woke up and got rid of them.

I have never seen an intellectual discussion in Pakistan without words like muslim, Islam or Allah 😂😂

This guy is all mixed up. Stalin in terms of sheer numbers was the most brutal followed by Mao. Hitler was a distant third. As to Pakistan at one time being considered the Asian Tiger was because as a willing client state of the US it received large amounts of funds which subsequently was misused and looted. Its original agricultural and industrial as well as educational base was run by Hindus, Sikhs and other minorities who were expelled at gunpoint so that the Muslims could loot their wealth. This pretty much goes with Islamic thought in which living off other peoples wealth and hard work. is its underpinning.

As per IMF, today reported... Hindustan 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 is bright 🔆 spot of world, whereas Pakistan is a black⚫ spot of world in terms of economic contribution... This explains all.... Pakistan needs to be studied for what not to be done for a nation...

By listening the guest, one can comfortably draw inferences that the Pakistani liberal intellectuals have not yet come out of the hindu hatred syndrome and supermacist attitude. Their conflicting ideological thoughts such as aspiring for democracy and praising the dictatorial military rules is a classical example of intellectual bankruptcy. This gentleman too is one of them. He is not intellectually capable enough to pass judgment on Modi and Indian electorates. Intellectual like Ishaque Dar is considered better economist than Miftah Ismail is another example of intellectual bankruptcy. If smart economist like Ishaque Dar would be in India he would have doing no better job than puncture repairing.

Modi changing history? Which book did he change? Clearly this fellow himself does not read books and then mocking other Pakistanis that they don't read.

Dr. Hoodbhoy said "Indian Kashmir" and quickly corrected himself "Makbooja Kashmir" 😅

If populism is very bad why India is growing 7% per year

Sir, dissolution of all identities of self is ultimate goal of any human which is mukti.. Freedom from bondages. ♥️

The only thing I can say after hearing this two hour of him is that Paxtaan is a complicated and thoroughly confused nation. Pity that this is still the case 75 years after it came into existence.

डा. परवेज हुदभाय एक ईमानदार व्यक्ति और विचारों में बिल्कुल स्पष्ट हैं । वह सकारात्मक और रचनात्मक कार्य कर रहे हैं । अमीन हाशवानी साहब का दोहरा चरित्र खुल कर सामने आ गया है ।

Religious identity is local identity; I live in USA, I am an American. When I was in India, I was Indian. Religion can’t be or should not be core Identity.

BJP se pahale bhi Pakistan ne India se konsi dushmani nahin nibhai?

The speaker is having zero knowledge about the change happening in India.India is getting stronger and this guy is not able to digest the fact and cries on fascism. My condolences to Pakistan civil society.

India's secularism going into dustbin troubles you Mr speaker, nothing about pakistani Islamic society? What hypocrisy

I watched the entire video. Which part of the video did he speak about root or going back to root? I never heard this word from the speaker. Very shallow speaker without any depth in thought or honesty in words. Sorry, worst episode of this forum.

Dr Hoodbhoy...You have made a very pertinent point that Hindus in Pakistan are as much Pakistanis as the Muslims. Excellent....My question to you is as follows...Why are children in schools reading text books which demean Hindus.? This has been stated by many KZfaqrs from Pakistan.To the best of my knowledge in India there are no textbooks demeaning Muslims or Islam. Yes..there could be text books with content about the barbaric actions of Mughals..but that is specific to the emperor not to the community or religion.

1:49:30 That Blue-White Checkered Shirt guy Summed up everything!!

Forget India , China , West , Iran , Afghanistan, . You were invited to discuss about your roots . Get your identity on place . All will be okay.

Majority of the viewers are Indians 🤔

Pakistan has intellectuals who may have strong head but weak heart hands and legs and Amin is one of them. He is a one eyed king among blind Pakistanis

How can we trust pakistan after Kargil incident

I have few suggestions about how to bring critical thinking in school 1- have as big library as possible within your resources but make sure books from different countries and cultures are there. In the age of internet this is not impossible. 2. Introduce debates within classes on regular basis but subjects and prospective should be different. For example one child should speak from Pak books other should Indian other form uk and usa etc etc. This way ability to absorb multiple thought process will develop automatically.

This is delusion pro max - a Pakistani sitting in tge capital of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is worried about 'fascism' in India while completely ignoring the massacre of Uyghurs ruthlessly being carried out in China. Some of us wish that Modi was 5% of a fascist portrayed by characters like Hashwani, Hoodbhoy and Miftah etc.

I have a number of questions for Mr Hashwani...He has been very critical of India and its dispensation. The trouble with Pakistan's Govt is their bloated ego. India was in the same mess in 1991 ( economically) . Manmohan Singh and Prime Minister Rao, besides borrowing from IMF they actually took the humiliating step of pledging Indias Gold as security towards borrowings. Later this was redeemed. Pakistans redemption lies in trading directly with India. Instead of Indian onions being shipped to Dubai , then to Karachi and then being transported to Lahore does it not make sense to the Pakistani establishment to purchase through Wagah border? If they want Pakistan to survive its time they swallowed their ego and placed trade with India as 1st priority. However if they wish to go down the Black Hole its their call.

1st reason, One of the main fundamental reason why Pakistan going back ward - - Most of the people of Pakistan don't know that The colonial system of jaghirdar / jamindar was abolished during land reforms in former East Bengal / East Pakistan now (Bangladesh) in 1950,India in 1951 but still it is totally absence in Pakistan.Still Pakistan protecting the colonial system of jaghirdar and General's and estabilishmentse. When 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) of pakistan controls 99 % Pakistan then Nothing will be OK.That 1% was a gift of colonial British mindset.People of East Bengal realised that colonial mindset from 1st day but still people of Pakistan living in Denial mindset of colonialism.2ND Reason why Pakistan going back ward that is majority people of Pakistan are not serious about their country. 3rd reason is that people of Pakistan are sleeping last 75 years but don't want to wake up and those people of East Bengal did wake up and fight for equal rights & justice from first day to 1971 they're now one of the fastest growing nation in the world. 4th fundamental reasin pakistan and the people of pakistan systemetically destroy own identical roots , language ,traditional values and haritage of ethnecity and divercity. Another reason is that people of Pakistan always take short cut policy and their is no long-term futuristic Sustainable development program or plan for future - No Educational & Socioeconomical plan but still waiting for next Sultan or kind of Leader to Grow. Last 75 years Pakistan made a lollypop mindset in Pakistan that Pakistan and people of Pakistan are only greatest and Rightful but rest of the world fake & false . It's a multi organ failure of Pakistan.It's too late to make changes in course correction after 75 years in the DNA of Pakistan.it's a martial race nation and its not a country for the people but it's a country for jaghirdar and General's with colonial setup of mindset and still living in confused Denial mindset and conspiracy mentality and it became self-destructive nation. 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) use Pakistan as a strategic depth to sell own land and sovereignty to the foreign power and create different types of Armed Terror group for Billion USD and destroying neighbor's but when you keeping snake in your backyard and expect them to only bite your neighbor's but that snake bite you too . Pakistan became as a garrison state with colonial setup. Pakistan is an over Militarilise state. It's neither a Islamic nor a democratic country.Socially- Politically - Economically and Mentally Pakistan became Black Hole . If the Grass look greener on the other side of the world. Stop comparing, Stop complaining and Start watering the grass you are standing on.*PAKISTAN SE ZINDA BAAGH *🙈🙉🙊

Amit hashwani is a joke. Dr hookbhoy is more sensible.

Thanks to Zinna ji....kum se kum 50,% ko le k gaya india se. Request to take 50% left in india. Please sir😍😍

First he disses democracy, then asks public to stand up

Imagine they got majority of the land of 5 rivers along with 85% of the Indus waters in the west and Land of Ganges and Brahmaputra delta in the east - in arguably the most fertile land anywhere in the world and they had the caliber to make a mess of it..

Amin Sahib is talking half truths.

I love these fellows....great entertainment..... speaking of roots in "English"...

Pakistani National Identity: I am not Hindu. I am not Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun, Baloch. I am not from this motherland.

Worst speaker so far in Black hole. Parvez sir corrected most of the lies told by the speaker.

Now Pakistan is speaking about secularism.. Then why they hell did u seperate?? Come merge with india

Listening in 2023 March: reading comments from Indians and they sadden me: they don’t realize India is also heading in wrong direction with Modism but they don’t even know it.