Are Sport Touring Bikes Faster Than Sport Bikes?

Are Sport Touring Bikes Faster Than Sport Bikes? | Common Tread XP

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Are Sport Touring Bikes Faster Than Sport Bikes? | Common Tread XP
Read Zack's article about comparing these motorcycles: www.revzilla.com/common-tread...
The sport-touring category may conjure images of gray beards and boring bikes, but these days the segment is home to some seriously fast machines. Think BMW S 1000 XR, Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX, and even Aprilia’s Tuono V4. Can these high-performance STs hang with a ZX-10R, a real super bike? To find out, Zack and Ari put the motorcycles through a series of tests to find out if modern sport-touring bikes are actually as fast as a sport bike.
Ari’s gear:
Bell Race Star Flex helmet: rvz.la/3DqyAff
Spidi Track Wind Pro race suit: rvz.la/3iTwDhX
Forcefield Pro L2 Evo back protector: rvz.la/3Nn2p4H
Alpinestars GP Pro RS3 gloves: rvz.la/3uwv7Ye
Alpinestars Supertech R boots: rvz.la/3JJkFD1
Zack’s gear:
6D ATS-1R helmet: rvz.la/3tFcpyz
Alpinestars GP Pro V2 race suit: rvz.la/3qDbOeD
Alpinestars Nucleon KR R-Cell back protector: rvz.la/3qCrBdQ
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Alpinestars Supertech gloves: rvz.la/3wDgapT
Alpinestars Supertech R boots: rvz.la/3JJkFD1
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@RevZilla 2 жыл бұрын

Read Zack's article about the comparison here! rvz.la/3II2EUt

@Frosty-cg8xf 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know Zach was literate no way

@ralphwarom2514 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta say, that Ninja 1000 is looking spicey next to the zx10 after watchingthis. (Yes its slower. I just mean they look good side by side XD )

@kk-qu1zc 2 жыл бұрын

Where is the zx 14r ?

@zackcourts2280 2 жыл бұрын

@@kk-qu1zc A good bike, no doubt.... Didn't make the cut for the same reason as the 'Busa, that's all.

@zackcourts2280 2 жыл бұрын

@@Frosty-cg8xf Weev get gud edidders

@michaelcurnow3524 2 жыл бұрын

I was lucky enough to be at the track when they shot this. The crew are all a great bunch f guys, and it was cool to watch them work. And man did they work, I'm sure it's fun to test motorcycles for a living, the final product looks like a blast, but there was a ton of effort to get there. The weather was lousy, cold and windy, but they were at it for 10+ hours a day and produced another great episode!

@NooBiker 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! That's so cool! Very lucky indeed. Being a Kawasaki Z/Ninja 1000SX owner, as much as I wanted it to do better, I know that it's a bike more for touring and general road use than a speed or track weapon. Still was fun to watch Zack throw it around and scrape the pegs.

@nando03012009 2 жыл бұрын

I thought they closed arroyo seco?? Man I used to do track days when I live in Las cruces. Not I use COTA

@AriH211 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mike, thanks for chiming in! I'm glad you got to see how the sausage is made, so to speak. It's a lot of work, but we know we're fortunate to do what we do.

@zackcourts2280 2 жыл бұрын

Good lookin' out, Mike! Nice to meet you and thanks for keeping us company :-)

@michaelcurnow3524 2 жыл бұрын

@@nando03012009 Arroyo is still up and running and still has an awesome race series.

@brandonmcmahan676 2 жыл бұрын

"Your favorite non-Canadian motorcycle game show...." As a fan of Zac and Ari AND RyanF9 I very much appreciated that line!

@un_belli_vable5506 Жыл бұрын

Fortnine the GOAT

@jamesnapper2876 Жыл бұрын

Yup, that was a clever and coy nod to RyanF9 that didn't go unnoticed and elicited the intended bahaha from those that know

@jeroencornelisse Жыл бұрын

And it actually is my favorite Non-Canadian motor channel... 😁

@thedarkgreenvanman 9 ай бұрын

A nice tip of the helmet

@Daero1 2 жыл бұрын

I am very impressed with the Kawasaki 1000sx. The fact that it was only 2.5 seconds behind in the lap is a big deal considering it has so much less power than the zx10r. Also those saddlebags look like they are worth the money since the one fell off going over 100 mph and it was able to be put back on and all it had was some scratches.

@sheridancowling6257 3 ай бұрын

Imagine the damage if they were loaded to their weight limit.

@Vincenzo911 27 күн бұрын

It would be faster with more ground clearance.

@Novur 2 жыл бұрын

The most impressive part of this video is that they managed to keep me entertained for the 70% of the video that could easily have been covered by a tech spec comparison chart in 20 seconds, bravo!

@wizardmoto 2 жыл бұрын

For anyone curious: the fastest lap this track has ever seen is a 1:06. What they accomplished, on these bikes without any previous experience, just solidifies that Zach and Ari are highly underrated and highly skilled riders.

@arrow0872 2 жыл бұрын

I can’t imagine how a 1:06 lap would look like on that bumpy and broken tarmac. What bike did that?

@YA-ee9zf 2 жыл бұрын

No we know they’re great riders they went to alska on a little 50cc and rode many bikes and don’t forget they work for revizlla

@wizardmoto 2 жыл бұрын

@@YA-ee9zf Working for RevZilla doesn't automatically get you within spitting distance of a world speed record with a couple hours of track time buddy, throw Spurgeon out there and I'd be shocked if he got sub 1:30 (no offense spurgy!). I also said "ensures", which has the implications that 'it was common knowledge although not confirmed with data'. I definitely have always thought very highly of them, but this performance is truly astonishing once you fully consider the the handicaps they were facing.

@Gismo3333 2 жыл бұрын

@@YA-ee9zf - No, the Alaska tour was on one 80cc and one 125cc bike.

@Gismo3333 2 жыл бұрын

@@wizardmoto - - What about 5-15 years of pro racing, and ridden bikes their sins they was teens or kids. They have 1000 of hours of track riding, not noobs. Have you never seen their videos before?

@forrest225 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I’m very impressed with how well that saddle bag held up.

@arjenbootsma6881 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! Good to know, since I have the same bags on my Versys 1000.

@banditryder4696 2 жыл бұрын

Hey were able to just snap it back on after falling off at 6the gear which was what over 150

@Matiisis 2 жыл бұрын

I dropped my bike on one side on the saddlebag (same saddlebags, Versys 650), with both saddlebags fully loaded + a top box fully loaded and my gf on the back. The saddlebag had only a few minor scratches with all that weight on it. Yeah, pretty good saddlebags, if you ask me!

@lacrossev 2 жыл бұрын

That was my first thought also, I didn't even realize until i read later that my SW Motech blaze bags says they're only good for about 80. Makes sense since they're aftermarket softbags but I was wondering if these bags/boxes would hold up to the bike's full performance.

@Praise___YaH 2 жыл бұрын

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@Hei1Bao4 2 жыл бұрын

I loved this video as I ride a 1990 Yamaha FJ1200 sport touring bike and am suitability impressed with how quick she is through the twisties. She gets lots of attention.

@danielmanzano4627 2 жыл бұрын

Just traded in my 2018 Ninja 1000 for a 2021 zx10r, and my riding buddy rides a2021 Aprilia Tuono v4. This video is a perfect reflection of what these bikes truly are. The Tuono is a houligan, pure raw performance with a decently comfy riding position. The Ninja1000 is the perfect blend of touring and superbike. Fast enough, agile enough, hypersmooth and comfy as hell. The zx10r is a precision machine that needs a little more open roads than the other 2 to really shine. Crazy top en engine, freight train in medium, fast turns, and compared to the other 2, a torture to ride, lol

@florme6494 2 ай бұрын

Do you miss the ninja 1000? Low torque and comfort?

@danielmanzano4627 2 ай бұрын

A little bit the low end torque on the city, but the top end in the zx10 never fails to amaze me. Comfort wise, after a couple years on the zx10 I can do +400 miles in a day with not much harm. I still think that the Ninja1000 is an awesome all around bike, but the zx10 its in another level

@eQui253 2 жыл бұрын

That hidden compliment to fortnine in the beginning. A deserved one! There are 2 Bikes that I am missing in team sport touring. Suzuki Hayabusa, Kawasaki H2 SX SE

@genghiskwan780 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I wasn't this only one who caught that! LONG LIVE RF9!

@RaunakPSingh 2 жыл бұрын

that channel is a one man army

@lanceoliver5769 2 жыл бұрын

As Zack notes in his accompanying article, they tried to get an H2 SX SE but one wasn't available from Kawasaki for testing, so they went with the Ninja 1000SX.

@aoofelipe 2 жыл бұрын

I rewatched it but couldn't find it! What did they say about f9? :)

@malachii420 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, I'm not seeing the reference. Could you point out a time? Why I care, I don't know, but...

@JCintheBCC 2 жыл бұрын

Ari's comment at 27:15 is exactly why I want a Ninja 1000. Because I want a sportbike that can use to go ride to my office and get groceries... I also live in a small mountain town where cars and bikes screaming through the canyon roads with loud exhausts at public enemy #1. So when Ari comments at 27:25 that he can't hear the engine across the track, I'm actually happy to hear that!

@juha2031 Жыл бұрын

Why you couldn't get groceries with any 1000cc bike ?

@JCintheBCC Жыл бұрын

@@juha2031 You are technically correct, the best kind of correct. I could get groceries on an R1. However, getting groceries on a sport bike with hard saddlebags, easy throttle control and linear power delivery, and a relatively upright riding position (which helps with navigating downtown traffic) is just easier than not.

@PeterOekvist Жыл бұрын

I'm more impressed by the fact that someone get their groceries at the office...

@JCintheBCC Жыл бұрын

@@PeterOekvist Actually, my office is on the 15th floor of a building with a grocery store on the ground floor. My parking garage is below that. So yeah... I ride to the office, work, get groceries on my way out, and go home. Honestly, it's pretty convenient.

@rickykraus7450 6 ай бұрын

This is why I love my VFR. Usable power around town and still pretty quick. Not going to beat the Ninja 1000 but plenty quick enough.

@MotoChicken 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see the first two tests against the sport tourers WITHOUT the saddle bags. I still think the ZX-10R would surpass them, but it would be interesting to know for someone who wouldn’t ride with the bags much.

@ORflycaster Жыл бұрын

The fastest I've ever been was an indicated 150mph on a 1st gen R6. I still had a 2K in reserve, but stopped at a good round number I could remember. I realize a GPS would have read a little slower, but twenty-three years later the rush of that first sport bike experience is still a great memory. NOW I really connect with the older dude Jack in the flat cap!

@anthonysach-htec5934 Жыл бұрын

I had a 1990 C1 ZZR1100 and a 1993 D1 and had them flat out near 180 mph.

@pitchforkpeasant6219 4 ай бұрын

Me too actually 😂. 55yo and still vertical. Ish

@bcab7955 2 жыл бұрын

Zack and Ari killed it once again. Fun, educational, enlightening - thanks guys for the continued premium content for us two wheeled junkies.

@AriH211 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Brent, we're happy to do it! But Zack and I are just the goons on camera - Spenser Robert is the bulk of the creative genius that makes each episode what it is.

@firedog5339 2 жыл бұрын

That Aprilia is an absolute animal! Thought for sure he was going down a little after the 35 min mark. Good save. Great work gentlemen!

@jimperry4420 2 жыл бұрын

Great save or luck at 25:30 too.

@beamdoctor5637 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimperry4420 creepy how fast even a skilled rider under controlled conditions can almost lose it. I can't believe my friends and I are alive after 35 years of screwing around on the streets and track on sportbikes.

@mikemikemike6002 2 жыл бұрын

Love my tuono. Such a well balanced bike... Except range.

@mikemikemike6002 2 жыл бұрын

@@ImTheKaiser you and I both. I think I'm right at 85 miles a tank. I'm a bit plus sized though so losing some weight would help

@VideoSharePhone 2 жыл бұрын

The Tuono stops at the rev limiter. You can go faster if you change the sprockets :)

@refeekey250 Жыл бұрын

This is by far the best ctxp episode. The skit in the beginning, the quality of filming and editing, and the content. In the future more funny skits please.

@gerardmontgomery280 2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy with my 120bhp, rocket propelled armchair. Otherwise known as the Versys 1000. However isn't the H2 SX SE considered a sport tourer? 🤘

@evilwestsidefan9249 26 күн бұрын

It would smoke them, not to mention they could have compared an old stock 08 Concours 14 came from the factory limited to 186 mph/300 kph.

@rrm80916 2 жыл бұрын

That’s why my Amazon package was late!

@marcdawson2156 2 жыл бұрын

It’s amazing to see what you guys can do with a bike, there’s a small part of me that wishes I had that skill set. There’s quite a large part of me that’s grateful I’m just smart enough to know I don’t.

@Villani_AV 2 жыл бұрын

Same. Wish there were more tracks by me at least

@Operation_Lurch 2 жыл бұрын

I just got my license and am still to scared to even think about riding like this. Hope I can do half of this in a few years

@aluisious 2 жыл бұрын

@@Operation_Lurch Don't rush it, just go out and have fun and come back every time.

@thekaizer666 Жыл бұрын

i really like and appreciate that short 5 seconds of video where the police confirm that the whole stretch of road has been closed off, and thus, is relatively safe to conduct these tests. stay safe everyone, real life isnt like the movies.

@petergrant482 2 жыл бұрын

I ride a 2010 Kawasaki Concours and love it. This was so fun to watch to see how close (or not) they are. I do like how quiet the stock Kawasaki tourers are at full throttle... You guys are great riders. Thanks for sharing.

@BloodPlusPwn 2 жыл бұрын

I think what impresses me most about this whole thing is just how well the Ninja 1000 performs. For such a relatively cheap bike compared to the competition, you get a comfy street bike that can reach surprisingly close to a monster like a ZX10R. A nice tune, some new suspension and maybe leave the bags at home if you ain't goin far and you'll have a real ripper you can ride all day.

@sharklegs 2 жыл бұрын

The 1000SX is a fantastically capable daily rider, especially if you dont care about electronic doodads

@valcrist7428 2 жыл бұрын

As Kawasaki says.. the Ninja 1000 has that ZX6R DNA.. Coming from a Ninja 650, I was choosing what to buy between the two.. But I choose the Zx6R because I am young and want to experience a full on Sportbike on a Race Track... But at times I kinda regretted it and wanted the well balanced nature between Touring Comfort, Utilitarian and some Track Day Capability of the Ninja 1000. Probably my next bike is a Ninja 1000 with Carbon Fiber Rims to compensate for the weight.. since I am almost already done with full on Track riding..

@BloodPlusPwn 2 жыл бұрын

@@valcrist7428 Get you the 1000 man, you can get a decent track bike cheap if you really want. You can buy you something like an auction r6 with no title or something and set it up to be perfect for the track instead of something that has to function as a street bike too.

@MyMednas 2 жыл бұрын

@@valcrist7428 I've got a 2019 ZX6R, and thought about getting a Ninja 1000SX to do longer rides. Test rode one and didn't like it. Do bland. Comfy, yes, but totally boring. I'm going to tour on the 6R. It might be uncomfortable, but it's a lot more fun!

@davidblack5857 2 жыл бұрын

You two are the best! Loved the comparison test. At 72 years old I find my MT09 all I can handle but I can still dream.

@portaltwo 2 жыл бұрын

With ya bro. At 71 with a KTM Duke 890R. Still smiling.

@Demonbfg 2 жыл бұрын

Very Good ! I'm 73 with a ZX-14r.

@14goldmedals 2 жыл бұрын

Just turned 57 and still have my 2004 Honda CBR1000RR. 22,000 km = 13,670 miles. Short riding seasons up here🇨🇦.

@portaltwo 2 жыл бұрын

@@14goldmedals Agree. I'm a fellow Canuck. My Duke is a 2020 and has less than 5K on it. Out last Tuesday for the first ride of the season!

@14goldmedals 2 жыл бұрын

portaltwo yup it’s time to renew the licence plate.

@daniilrusanau5849 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved this film😍😍😍 So professionally shot, great monologues, super entertaining! It's got it all! Thanks guys, it was phenomenal to watch!

@UMZenki Жыл бұрын

Incredible. Gnarly track riding! Just wish more people were asking the questions you guys are answering. Great work as always.

@pmlitman 2 жыл бұрын

I've got a 2021 Ninja 1000SX and it's absolutely all the bike I could ask for at that MSRP. It's crazy fast, as this video shows. It keeps up with my super-sport friends on just about any street pull. On top of that, it's comfortable for long rides and runs great with a pillion. I can drive it hard solo, giggling the whole way, or pack it for a weekend camping trip. It's the best bike I've owned, and for the thrills, the only one I could afford.

@Victor_Moto 2 жыл бұрын

That 2021 Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 is so good. Basically a very comfy RSV4 with bags.

@andrewdok 2 жыл бұрын

I have a '17 and I've never regretted buying it a single day. Only thing I might trade it for is a newer one.

@Victor_Moto 2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdok Bravo. 2017+ Aprilia Tuonos are hard to beat.

@iamtherealzombie 2 жыл бұрын

If you consider those ridiculous things on the side of the Tuono to be "bags".

@Jay-yg8jj 2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdok I traded mine for a '22 KTM 1290 SAS..no regrets. I had my RSV4 and Tuono for years, but now living somewhere where there's hardly any curves and it's just dirty farm roads and gravel...I made the right choice. I'll get another one in a heartbeat if I ever move somewhere with nice roads, but moving from NH/VT to NW NY just doesn't suit that bike.

@martinXY 2 жыл бұрын

@@iamtherealzombie Hahaha. Tiny bags. "OK, toothbrush in the left bag, change of undies in the right. Yep, all packed."

@mattgilbert666 2 жыл бұрын

Having just bought a 2019 Z1000SX I can confirm that it absolutely keeps up with the majority of sports bikes, maybe not quite a "flickable" but for UK roads, it's more than adequate

@MrLeeson660 2 жыл бұрын

If it keeps up because of the riders on the sportsbikes and if ur fast, to push on the roads to a level where the bike would be the difference is insane. But its miles off in terms of performance vs 1000cc sportsbike

@THEREALZENFORCE 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLeeson660a 240whp modded H2SX Sport tourer will annihilate most sports bikes in a straight line, as much as the old ZX-14R annihilated most sports bikes in a straight line. And on harsh twisties like in the alps sports bikes get even beat by higher torque R1250GS, Super Adventure S ADV bikes and Super Duke GT Sports bikes (140Nm).

@Inked_CR Жыл бұрын

gsxs1000f still the better bike.

@calebnation6155 10 ай бұрын

That’s the thing. For driving on public roads, the slight delta in max performance is never going to be seen.

@shiloh1943 2 жыл бұрын

incredible content! kudos to you guys for sweating it out and putting in the work for all our ed. terrific hosts and filming!

@BLNMotoCity 2 жыл бұрын

If you asked me what I really love about my job...this sentence sums it up pretty good I'd say. I was probably the one to start exactly that red XR for the very first time, take it for a spin and make sure it works the way its supposed to be. Hope you enjoyed the XR, and the other ones as well ;) Greetings from a dyno rider at the BMW plant in Berlin :)

@species5022 2 жыл бұрын

Showing some true skills managing the bumps on that track. Damn you guys can shred! Ary saving the highsider, Zach going supermoto on the tuono. Baller!

@danielmoore2555 2 жыл бұрын

I must say kudos to the boys for the hustle around that bumpy track, watching the protest from the bikes through the exits from the corners had me gritting my teeth. Good bikes and good skill 👍

@armyguy608 2 жыл бұрын

God, I LOVE watching y'alls videos! Informative, entertaining, super high production value, and great chemistry with y'all. Can hardly wait to see the next video!

@yugenfocus 2 жыл бұрын

Unreal production! Thank you guys and your entire crew for such high quality content. As a 50 year old man at heart, me and my R1100R thank you

@Villani_AV 2 жыл бұрын

Torque is the master on the streets and definitely helps coming out of corners haha, I do wish bmw could make a high output r series or bring back the "smaller" k series bikes. Love the boxers

@warrensmith792 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a 24 year old old man and the only stranger I've run with on my fun route was a 50+yr master kitted out like the stig on a new triumph 1050. I made sure to lead being all ignorant and excited; and wiseman still humbled me with his composure every mirror check. We gotta have someone to look up to out there!

@Gismo3333 2 жыл бұрын

@@Villani_AV - Why not try the GS or GS ADV… They are almost perfect bikes. BMW GS A, is the only bike on my mind now a days. It is super comfortable and super fast at the same time… How don't want to be comfy, when you smoke sport bikes in their kind of game.

@Villani_AV 2 жыл бұрын

@@Gismo3333 I fucking hate ADVs. I do 0 off-road riding and the seating position is not comfortable for me. I prefer the forward lean and the sportier bikes. If I wanted a gs I wouldn't be wishing for a new 170+ hp nearly flat 4 cylinder

@Gismo3333 2 жыл бұрын

@@Villani_AV - Then it is something wrong with you. Or you mostly just lie, if you have sit on a GS, and that is terrible to sit on. Compared leaning most of the weight on your wrists and arms. Would like to see you drive a super sport for 15 hours strait, And telling me you are just fine with sleeping 4 hours and do another 10 hours. You talk like you are 14 years old and never ridden a big bike before. And you know it all.

@shogginr557 2 жыл бұрын

Never disappointed with you 2:) Huge effort from the whole team and so much fun to watch. My heart jumped with Ari's not-a-high-side and then Zack gets bounced out of the seat!! No sand baggers here!

@AndersFriisGbg 2 жыл бұрын

Really great program! I ride a Sports Tourer (BMW R1250RS) and would never be close the the way you guys are testing the limits of these machines! Not even when I was 26 and had a Suzuki RG500 Gamma ... 34 years ago :-)

@KRColson Жыл бұрын

You two are the most fortunate, lucky s.o.b.'s in the world! You must have had such a blast doing this comparison. Lots of fun and no one got hurt! Who could ask for anything more! Cheers!

@SALTxTHExWOUND 2 жыл бұрын

First off, I LOVE these videos Zack and Ari do! 👏🏻 I owned a Ninja1000 years ago and 600’s would always get butthurt when I pulled on them lol. It topped out around 160 but it got to 100 pretty quick. Much heavier but those sport touring bikes are beasts as well! It wasn’t much competition for most 1000cc sport bikes though it held its own.

@mar7739 2 жыл бұрын

Well, i am affraid that on your condom Ninja 1000 you could pull on some 250's, not a proper 600....

@SALTxTHExWOUND 2 жыл бұрын

@@mar7739 the ninja1000 0-60 is 2.9 whereas say a cbr600rr is 3.3 The stock ninja1000 holds much more horsepower and torque than any stock 600cc. I’m not arguing lol these are just facts.

@mar7739 2 жыл бұрын

@@SALTxTHExWOUND Stock 600's do 0-200 km/h in about 9.5-10.5 sec. Something your fat, 45-48 kg heavier ("much more" horsepower is 10-20) Ninja 1000 won't manage. Sorry. Just facts. Maybe accelerating in fifth, or sixth gear from 30 you would win...

@jeffh278 2 жыл бұрын

@mar7739 you need to check out @SALTxTHExWOUND’s channel. Yes he is a wheelie monster, but that ripped up throttle junkie and his wife rip around on those GSX-R750s on the track proper. If the dude says he ripped on 600s on a Ninja1000 then Im inclined to believe him

@KawasakiZ-mi1vs 2 жыл бұрын

I have a kawa z1000 2017 and i'm faster then 600cc from 0 to 200

@adrianm.1910 11 ай бұрын

Amazing episode! Great riding. Thanks, guys.

@truculenttabasco Жыл бұрын

Outstanding riding guys.. Had me on the edge of my seat from behind the screen. Great content too 🤙🏻

@zacharysandberg 2 жыл бұрын

Very entertaining and well done! It's hard not to love the Tuono in any comparison test. Such amazing bikes!

@dimosk7389 2 жыл бұрын

the moment i saw the Tuono at the start, i was 99% sure it would be faster on track. its a total beast. definitely not a "sport touring", but the tiny soft bags are enough to justify you using it here.

@HormigaZ 2 жыл бұрын

this is not the factory model though. This one while being pretty much the same is specifically geared for sport touring.

@dimosk7389 2 жыл бұрын

@@HormigaZ you're right, it's basically missing the electronic ohlins suspension. But it's overall DNA is the same as the factory version. It has the credentials

@PeterSmith-or3pq 2 жыл бұрын

loved the mirror dragging , impressive

@twilightsuzuka6252 2 жыл бұрын

@@HormigaZ BMW doesn't offer electronic suspension on the M1000RR. A bike doesn't need electronic suspension to be fast.

@alltruckeredout 2 жыл бұрын

Gosh darn it, you boys make such great content! This was so fun to watch! Well done.

@torque-aholic5039 2 жыл бұрын

Great job Fellers that was very informative thanks

@HeroRR 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this video actually came out at the PERFECT time. That Ninja 1000 has been calling me lately...

@lovelessissimo 2 жыл бұрын

Oh hey! Your vids are great, man.

@hanturaja 2 жыл бұрын

miss your videos man, keep the videos coming

@bishop4546 2 жыл бұрын

Get one, it's great

@anuragrpande 2 жыл бұрын

I have one, its great. I have the murph bar risers and lowered pegs installed for a 6’ rider, as well as the vstream taller windscreen. Great fucking times.

@maxx2174 2 жыл бұрын

I can only second that - I decided pretty late to get the motorcycle license and got me a 2021 ninja 1000sx right away. what can i say.. i love the bke... it looks great and rides like a charm. done a few decent mods myself already and still about to replavce the mask and bottom cover for different colors...

@DennisJPolson 2 жыл бұрын

I was honestly surprised how well the baggers did. Such a fantastic episode! If Zack and Ari are in a video, I’m watching.

@tr-film-foto 2 жыл бұрын

SUCH a great show! More please!

@tonytesoriero1242 Жыл бұрын

This was an outstanding video loved this one

@westcoastmoto2063 2 жыл бұрын

Great content!! Was fun to watch. Hope to see a track comparison on a 400,600,1000 with both of you swapping bikes.

@rollakid 2 жыл бұрын

Would be interested to see how a 300/400cc class sport bike perform against the 1000cc in tight circuits like these, when ridden by highly skilled riders.

@SWTrailsAndWheels 2 жыл бұрын

Track times for top 400 riders are similar to what we saw here. Track record is around 1:06 on liter bikes. Straights are long enough that big bikes still are fastest here.

@rollakid 2 жыл бұрын

@@SWTrailsAndWheels very interesting, but that's only possible if the rider has the skill to take a liter bike around the corner fast right? I think it will be extremely educational if we put a zx10r and a ninja 400 (or even the old 300) in the hands of an average rider, because I just wonder if the average rider would be faster (not in a straight line) when riding an easier/lighter motorcycle.

@warrensmith792 2 жыл бұрын

@@rollakid if it helps your train of thought, I learned the majority of my cornering skills on the bigger bikes, or that's how it feels lol. I'm about '6 "1 and 155lbs. so I guess I cant reaally blame my size. Went from a dirt tire crf230f to an 00 gsxr 600 after 4 months or so and one bad cornering accident already in the books. Then I laid the gsxr down in someone's front yard chasing my brother on his 01 f4i, just learning basic lessons like ride your own. I could always hang off well enough but never liked how easy the tip in was, felt too unstable. Next thing I know I'm trading off for a 97 blackbird 1100 after 8 months. Other than being way too big for my skinny ass at a stand still, I loved that thing. Forced me to learn how to lean if I wanted to be fast through corners, felt like rails.. Eventually I started finding her limits one by one and it made me long for a little more. So after a year on that I ended up buying an 05 fireblade. It's been about a year and a half now and I've been in mad love. Still need a suit so I can feel more than air screaming underneath my kneecaps! I'll go back down to a 6 or maybe even some oldschool inline 4 400cc one day and see how well I've adjusted with that extra pad insurance. I've been afforded the experience of friend's sv650's, gsxr 750, rc51, and my dirt tire xr400r as well. 750 class and that old RC definitely felt comparable to the blade. The XR with a real set of shoes would be a force, but again no knee pads or anything yet so it just feels very momentum based. Obviously my few years of street only experience wont say as much as good data. Just wanted to share a fun anecdote about how weight helped me personally.

@Gismo3333 2 жыл бұрын

@@UnsungThermidor - There is more the bumps and the bad tarmac, that holds the times down. One can't go full send, when the track is that bad. Specially on a liter bike… They are very much harder to control when one use all their power. Mostly the reason you see liter bikes get smoked by smaller bikes, is because the rider only upgraded the bike, and not his/her skills. And they only go fast on the straits, and super slow in the corners. If you get on rider like Zach, that slides the back-wheel into the corner, and shifts to a wheelie out of the corner… There is no 400cc that can keep up whit that.

@zyonsdream 2 жыл бұрын

Well watch MotoAmerica then. Superbike, Stock1000, whatever Super Sport is now (was 600 class) and they have a junior cup 400cc class. It’s easy to see the times between classes.

@mattybignose1858 6 ай бұрын

Simply fabulous. Thanks for another epic guys. ❤

@markmenzies4218 Жыл бұрын

nicely done guys. quite interesting & good to watch you not afraid to ring the bikes neck & find out where the edge is. cool.

@Rolo_McFlurry 2 жыл бұрын

You guys are awesome; thanks for the videos, content, and ride safe!

@indi__ 2 жыл бұрын

This is so well produced. love this channel!

@bartunertl302 Жыл бұрын

I don't have any horses in this race but this video was outstanding!! You guys are THE BEST out there!!!!!

@brotherbrenden Жыл бұрын

Well done guys , a great video. The tuono sounds so cool.

@christians131 2 жыл бұрын

So basically old man’s sport tourers sacrifice

@stubbingtonmarigold3032 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and for the last test, pick 1 bike to ride from Arizona back to L.A. ..... what no takers for the zx-10r .... ?

@woodysrockspyro6436 2 жыл бұрын

Cat delete and tune... Moore mafia. Even steven

@Rover4387 2 жыл бұрын

I am not even a sport bike rider and i loved that. Thank you Zack and Ari! :)

@alstone5559 Жыл бұрын

Great video lads. Kudos to both of you getting into it hard.

@dilsher12 2 жыл бұрын

Can never get enough of these guys , keep the videos coming

@chestypuller4591 2 жыл бұрын

Nice riding gents and great comparisons. Just want to share that I am astounded by the speed, sound and fluid ride of my 2013 Honda VFR 1200 F. The thing is a monster and a screamer. I do have to agree, the sound of an all out V4 is a mechanical symphony!

@TheGoldenchild68 2 жыл бұрын

This is my favorite CTXP episode! Ari and Zach are the best. They take it semi-seriously so that you can see the bikes true performance while making it entertaining. Well done!

@duaneluchsinger5736 2 жыл бұрын

5 star review. Great entertainment…great information. You guys are the best.

@tnamesneo9063 2 жыл бұрын

you guys are unique, professional and silly. no other riding youtube channels are a like. keep up the good work lads!

@jordandayedes3628 2 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see the new GSXS 1000 GT. Good stuff as always from you guys all the same though!

@zackcourts2280 2 жыл бұрын

We asked! But it wasn’t available yet. In fact, we still haven’t tried it

@marcos1669 2 жыл бұрын

I think you can expect it to be very similar to the Ninja 1000SX, mayb a tiny bit quicker because of the extra 10ho

@exothermal.sprocket 2 жыл бұрын

I think Suzuki imports are going to be slow this year....... 😫 Oh and it's about 15 pounds lighter than the Ninja per published figures. The naked S1000 that it's based on can do an honest 150+ whp with the usual restriction removals, a true 10 hp more than Kawi.

@Everendlesss 2 жыл бұрын

What fantastic content. Very interesting findings. I would of loved to see the MT-10 and a wildcard Ninja 400 added to this test to put things in a different perspective. Always great so see these two wonderful people showing us what they got. Cheers

@FadilKarim 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing!

@fuyu3342 7 ай бұрын

Great job! Excellent testing

@davedempster3405 3 ай бұрын

Back in the mid 90's I had a '95 Kawasaki GPz1100 and a buddy had a '92 Kawasaki ZX-11. One day we did a roll on drag. My GPz actually was quicker up to about 80 mph when the ZX-11's ram air took hold. At that point he walked away from me, not ran. The ZX-11 was the "D" model while the GPz1100 was actually a ZX-11 E model .. different cam profile and no ram air. The smoothest bike engine I've ever ridden. This comparison brought back great memories! Thanks !!

@MattSilverlock 2 жыл бұрын

Zack looking more spritely than usual!

@sonang7721 2 жыл бұрын

He looks like Aleix Esparago with the hat and Suzuki jacket🤣

@danteMdie 2 жыл бұрын

To call a Tuono V4 sport touring is a bit far fetched : p

@buzomatic 2 жыл бұрын

I agree but it's no RSV4 either with those high-rise bars and torque moved down in the power band. This bike exists so 50 somethings like me can convince my wife l'm getting more gold wing than H2R, lol. PS I have an RSV4RR. Go big or go home.

@AriH211 2 жыл бұрын

@@buzomatic "If you're not living at redline, you're not livin'" - Barry Henning

@exothermal.sprocket 2 жыл бұрын

Triumph Speed Triple RR is about as sport-touring as the Aprilia.

@500monkeyboom9 2 жыл бұрын

Another class video from the team 👍

@nomadben 10 ай бұрын

Such a fun video guys!

@raulsalanaranjo6565 Жыл бұрын

I wish they could also compare to another sport bike in the 600-750 cc range!!! See how those sport touring bikes do!

@commonsense7057 2 жыл бұрын

Would of loved to see the Suzuki GSX-S1000GT included in the test with its K5 engine. Would of been interesting to see how it did against the Kawi and the Aprilia.

@sund5 Жыл бұрын

Oh the legendary K5

@The_Coleman Жыл бұрын

Yes!!The 1kGT is surprisingly quick.

@The330racing Жыл бұрын

It's a closer match for the ninja 1000. Did you look at the power to weight vs the Tuono. Not close.

@ElterSouza 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video guys!!!

@kmatejovsky 2 жыл бұрын

What a great time! Thanks guys, really enjoyed this content. In 2017, with my 2007 BMW K1200S, in similar road conditions, rolled up to 178 mph...in 5th gear. With a lot of open clean road in front of me, I decided to roll off and skip 6th gear. Not scary, but it was still pulling and I figured that it was fast enough. I'm now back to riding overland - off-road bikes, but that was a remarkable sport touring bike. Anyway, great program and keep it up!!!.

@BirdArvid 2 жыл бұрын

Fun as usual when these two gentlemen work together!! I do wish the Suzuki GSX-S1000GT or GT+ was a part of this test, since it's been praised quite highly from what I've seen.

@tubejorrit Жыл бұрын

I don't know if you still can get in in the US but the KTM 1290 Superduke GT would have been a good contender also.

@SASQUATCH205 2 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna go ask my local police if they can shut down a stretch of road for some Busa speed runs. C'mon

@byever1 2 жыл бұрын

They charge by the hour and have a 3 hr minimum. Your milage might vary.

@kmb957 2 жыл бұрын

Drive to Mexico in the middle of the night like most racers.

@100GTAGUY 3 ай бұрын

One of our local uncontrolled airports used to let people drag race on one of the taxiways every other weekend, until they decided to just turn it into a dedicated drag strip and opened it every weeked. That may be a more viable alternative possibly.

@henryrubenbass Жыл бұрын

No matter what you guys ride in your videos, I am always having a blast! One of Your best videos 👍

@harmoniousembodiment7203 11 ай бұрын

Love watching their videos. They have good, mutually appreciative synergy together.

@dukenukem7183 2 жыл бұрын

Would be fun to see before and after ecu restrictions removed

@armandblake 2 жыл бұрын

Love my 1000SX, fast, sporty and handy. I also love how the luggage stay on safe and the key won’t come out unless locked, definitely fool proof… oh, wait… 😜

@malharvivekanand9933 Жыл бұрын

Loved this episode!!!!!

@dlcanuck9258 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff guys!

@jakegreenberg9357 2 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best videos Z & A have ever made. If this isn't at the Oscars, I'm boycotting.

@nameless5r 2 жыл бұрын

It won't be, they don't want to get slapped around.

@nipps223 2 жыл бұрын

Quick comment at the start of this video. Kinda disappointed that you guys didn't compare 3 bikes against 3 bikes. But then again you did organise a full 'legal' road closure.

@pedro_mg 2 жыл бұрын

favorite double, by far. Always great content

@alexandresantos.20 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video!!!

@johnbrooks241 2 жыл бұрын

This was excellent, and not gonna lie, so cool to see and hear the bikes at full chat on the closed road. And can we get a slow mo of Zack going across the track on the Aprilia and bouncing sideways?! A little poo came out just watching that!

@jothain 2 жыл бұрын

Man it looked scary. I actually got goosebumps seeing that.

@Gismo3333 2 жыл бұрын

You can set it to slow your self, in the KZfaq settings. Just play back it in slow mo…

@ftby59mikeD Жыл бұрын

Glad to see Italy represented by the Aprilia but I'd be curious to see how Ducati's V4 MTS would've done for the sport tourer segment. Shout out to law enforcement for cooperating & making this possible.👍

@marktodd4479 Жыл бұрын

Great video guys.

@lndcrsrmoto2407 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine the Aprilia Tuono v4 with race map! Great video and what an effort to pot together!!

@anashedpotato 2 жыл бұрын

It’s awesome to see ASR being used like this!

@atypicalmotorcycle752 2 жыл бұрын

This was great. The tasty blend of honest engineering analysis and humor kept me glued for the whole fourty minutes. As a " senior " rider the last gag nailed me right in the funny bone. Now, my first bike back in `76 ... In conclusion; my current stable has three Buells (one from each generation) two BMWs a HD and a KTM. The perfect bike for any ride is not any one bike. When your hobby can deliver you to your jobsite in record time with the fuel milage of an anemic econobox it's not too hard to justify the next perfect bike!

@SuperSnallygaster 2 жыл бұрын

Really fun to watch!

@pthunell Жыл бұрын

That 35:01 pucker factor. What a an amazing rider Zack is to keep it together.

@keithwillcome2580 2 жыл бұрын

Great fun! Thank you for making really a fun show. Just curious, for the track laps, did you just run the OE tires or did you shoe them all the same? Sport touring tires are wicked fast these days but the sport rubber on the zx-10 I wood imagine is a bit better on the track. Thanks again, loved it!

@kevinreist7718 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed on the top speed test on the ninja VX10 that he put one arm behind his back to reduce wind resistance, he probably gained almost 5 mph doing this. On the Aprilla, he appeared to be too afraid to do the same thing.

@ryannicholson6356 2 жыл бұрын

Another great episode !

@PaulMEdwards Жыл бұрын

Nice comparison. Different tools for different purposes. However, just about any sportbike or superbike can be used for touring if you try. Just last week I flew out to SoCal to pickup a new to me 2016 Aprilia RSV4 RF that I bought from a riding buddy. He had it set up perfectly for track use, but I had him remove all the track plastics and restore the original plastics, lights, etc. for me since I don't intend to track it much. I proceeded to ride it home to SE Tennessee over 4 days with a huge 50L hiking backpack on and in weather conditions ranging from 107°F in NV/AZ to high 60°'s in the pouring rain through AR into TN. It was fun bobbing, weaving, and splitting around/between the cars & trucks going well under the speed limit with their hazard lights on. I learned to ride & rode in the Seattle area for 7 years where, if you don't ride in the rain, you don't ride, so it was no big deal to me. On several clear straightaways, with little to no traffic, I reached the gearing limited (due to -1F, +2R sprockets) 184 mph indicated several times. The trip was a bit over 2,300 miles in 4 days. I'm surprisingly not as sore as I expected to be. Oh, and I was getting over Pneumonia the whole time, having been in the ER on the Friday night before I flew out to SoCal on Monday. I felt good thanks to the antibiotics and have been feeling great since the 3rd day of my ride when I hacked up about a half gallon of funky gunk from my lungs. Way back in August 2010 I rode my 2008 Buell 1125R solo over 4,000 miles from Tacoma, WA to SoCal and back over 10 days with full soft luggage strapped onto it, including saddlebags, a tail bag, and a tank bag. In November 2008 I did the same with my wife on her 2007 V-Rod VRSCAW when we came down to ride through Death Valley with my dad & some of his riding buddies. That said, my 2018 Yamaha FJR1300AJCL definitely is the better tool for long distance Sport-Touring in comfort, solo and 2-up.